Now i think if people have been im ben bland in london. Also in the programme asking for the right to self determination, a brexit war of words, now on bbc news, its hardtalk. That framework is the only framework britains ex finance minister says Stephen Sackur interviews people will be ready to listen to. The Prime Ministers advisers the president of the jammu are deliberately wrecking chances and kashmir peoples they will not be ready to listen of a deal with the eu. Movement shah faesal. To anything within the framework and a new report says argentine since recording this interview of the constitution. Footballer Emiliano Sala yesterday there are reports today that mr shah has been detained by the authorities in delhi and prevented from leaving the country. So which is it for you, mr faesal, are you going to be stooge or separatist . Welcome to hardtalk, i think its too im Stephen Sackur. When the Indian Government revoked the special autonomous status ofJammu And Kashmir, it knew outrage would follow, which is why delhi has the muslim majority himalayan territory early for all of us. In a form of lockdown. Im not going to be a stooge. I think one clarity which this has brought to all of us is those people who believed india would not betray this generation of kashmiris. Troops patrol the streets, hundreds of local politicians you know, my grandfathers and activists have been detained, generation in 1953, the Prime Minister of jammu and communication links have been cut. And kashmir was handcuffed by a very small level police constable. My grandfathers generation got alienated and got betrayed. And my fathers generation in 1987, when elections were held in the jammu and Kashmir State, and the elections were rigged, my fathers generation, my guest today is shah faesal, leader of the Jammu And Kashmir peoples movement. How will kashmiris channel they got betrayed that time, their anger, and how much support will they get . And that demolished the Democratic Institutions and the democratic methodology, and we saw an eruption of militancy in kashmir in 1988. This new insult, this new phase of indignation began on the fifth of august, 2019, and its my generation that has now got the taste of betrayal. Shah faesal in delhi, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you very much. I dont know how this is going to play out there you sit in indias capital, in the next 50 70 years. But im sure your thoughts its going to be a new phase. Are with the people of kashmir. Yeah. You said something very interesting earlier, you said you felt something of a sense of shame that you were not arrested, youre still free when so many of your fellow kashmiris, certainly in politics, have been detained. Do you also feel a sense of shame that for so many years what are the latest reports you are hearing of what is happening in your home territory in terms of the curfew and the lockdown . You were an insider because indian authorities inside the Indian Civil Service say they have begun to gradually ease it. Arguing it was less important it is the eighth day of curfew, to pursue a path of separatism and more important to concentrate and the news that i am getting on things like supplying clean from kashmir is that it water, infrastructure, development. Do you think you got it wrong . Continues to be the same around 8 Million People do you think ultimately youre continue to be under incarceration, roads are deserted, mosques are closed. It is very hard to move around, the communication part of the problem . System is completely down. Telephone lines are not working, mobile phones. People living outside kashmir have been unable to talk to their families for i do. I have to confess today before the past eight days. There is a shortage of food the world that we were trying materials, people are unable to sell a wrong product to figure out what is happening. To people of kashmir, and we have been snubbed on the fifth of august, 2019 when this unilateral assault on the constitutional identity there has been an absolute clampdown on the protests, of the state was done without taking and the presence of Security Forces any of the stakeholders on board, has been unprecedented. People are unable to reach out by resorting to complete military might and suppressing the voices to their political leaders. Of the people in kashmir. All political leaders and, you know, modi just the surprising side of this got his way through. Crackdown has been that just bulldozed his way all of them are under arrest at this time. Through in kashmir without caring it is a scene out for what kashmiris of a partition novel. Would think about this. You say all local politicians in kashmir are under arrest orfacing intimidation, whats it going to be and yet you are speaking to me now, mr faesal . From delhi, and i happen to know if youre going to be prepared to be, in your own word, that in the last week you have been a stooge, and moderation appears able to go to srinagar to be impossible in the kashmir and attend political meetings. Of today, are you going it suggests to me that perhaps to back the militants . You are exaggerating the extent weve already seen key militant of the control from india players who have strong links in pakistan. Im thinking of Maulana Abdul aziz, the guy who was a prayer leader just a little bit. In the red mosque in islamabad, hes now said jihad is obligatory for muslims in pakistan because our kashmiri brothers and sisters are waiting for our help. Most of the political leaders is that the sort of language who belong to my political party, and all other Political Parties, have been detained. I am the only person from my own Party Meeting which met in srinagar on august the fourth, who is free and freely speaking. I am ashamed of myself that i am free at a time where the entire you can now identify with . Administration of kashmir are in jail and have been imprisoned. The way voices of political moderation have been silenced in kashmir, im extremely worried it will give credence to the extremist elements and extreme ideologies are going to flourish in our part do you think in all honesty of the world. But when it comes to myself, when this interview was done i believe that a sustained and perhaps over the next few days non violent political Mass Movement that you will try to go back will have to be lodged in kashmir. Kashmir, do you think it may take a lot of time, but my belief in non violence stems you will be free for long . From the fact most of the political movements in the rest of the world police have come to my have succeeded as long home a couple of times as theyve been non violent, after i left, and it is also a story and i believe that we are going in itself that we reached to fight for the rights the airport and came to delhi. Of the people. Its going to take time, because of communication breakdown, but kashmiris have now found clarity people could not communicate in their politics, and i think were to their higher ups about my escape from the airport. Going to make it one day. I am very much apprehensive butjust to be clear with me, that soon after i leave from here i will be would you today, despite everything detained like anyone else. Weve discussed of your history, describe yourself as a kashmiri separatist . I think i would not like myself you are the leader of the jammu to be boxed in these terminologies, and kashmir peoples movement. Because finally it has been obviously one of quite the government of india, a number of different or the indian narrative of kashmir, Political Parties in kashmir. That these are mainstream people and these are separatist people. If you talk about legitimacies, who are the people what is your message who have the peoples legitimacy . To your own Party Supporters and to the wider public . Do you want to see people take to the streets and try to resist what you have called indias occupation . If you look at what has happened on the fifth of august is that the entire political mainstream, people like me who believe in electoral politics and who saw some sort of resolution even until now, separatists coming within the framework are those people who do not of the indian constitution, want to be boxed within the frame we people have been rendered of the indian constitution. Without an argument. They have the larger number most of the leaders, of people with them. Including two former chief ministers are under arrest at this time. So effectively they were the political mainstream and People Like Us were not the political mainstream. So this entire vocabulary of politics i think has now changed in kashmir. There will be a vocabulary like resolutionists and those when you talk about the mobilisation, it has been impossible for people to mobilise who want to be. Protests in the past week, i think i would want to be identified with the revolutionists, because of unprecedented security presence in kashmir. But i am aware that there people who want to see peace in kashmir. Are going to be spontaneous if i may say so, thats a bit eruptions in kashmir the moment abstract, but let me make restrictions are relaxed a little bit and people like me it deeply personal. I believe im right and the entire leadership in kashmir, im not sure if anybodys call will be heeded or listened to. In saying your own father was killed by militants, it seems you are calling separatist militants, because he refused to help them for calm, because i saw at a particular point. This quote from you just the other you, therefore, and yourfamily, day you said the government seems have reasons to be suspicious of the separatist militant movement, to be preparing for casualties but do you fear that kashmir may numbering 8,000 10,000. Sanity demands that we dont give return to the bloodsoaked area anyone a chance for a massacre. Of the 1980s and 1990s, where we saw so much my appeal is that we should all stay alive and then we shall fight back. So, right now you are telling violence inside kashmir . People to stay home . More than 100,000 people have died in kashmir in the last 30 years. I think this is a sign thousands got displaced, including minority kashmiri pandits. My worry is that if kashmir of the majority of the people. 200,000 Security Forces out to kill anybody who is going to raise slips back to early 90s, a voice of dissent. We will see another phase of bloodshed. Three generations have already got destroyed. I dont want to see more generations get destroyed. Ijust hope like the japanese, kashmiris will also go back to their resiliency, stand up, rebuild their houses, so i think this is a sign their ideas, rebuild their hearts of majority that people are not and minds and rebuild whatevers reacting that way. But im sure kashmiris been lost and lost. This has been more like a nuclear will give a more calibrated, more seasoned, long term organic sustainable response to what has been done by the indian state. Catastrophe for all of us. This act of indignation that has been done to the people of kashmir, im sure this will not go unprotested. This decision by the Indian Government to revoke article 370, sorry, but we dont have much time, to end the special autonomous status let me end with thoughts of kashmir, it can hardly have been about the international arena. Imran khan, Prime Minister a surprise to you. Of pakistan, has compared what the indians have done to nazism. Weve heard less from the International Community the us, the uk, other countries have been remarkably silent about what india has done. Are you therefore reliant on help after all, mr modis bjp party has from pakistan or do you believe youll get support from the world . Put it into their manifesto for many elections, and after their thumping win in the last election it was speculated by many that this time they have a mandate to do it. The surprise is that india claims to be the greatest democracy in the world. Im extremely disappointed with the way International Community has responded to this issue. People have to understand that kashmir is. You know, its three Nuclear Powers claiming right to this territory. Its a nuclear flashpoint. Its a powderkeg, and this in spite of mr modi being cannot be left unattended. There in the country, any sort of aggression by any we believe there are institutions of democracy that will of these three states can lead protect the constitution. To a nuclear war in this region. So the Biggest Surprise this time is the way it has been done. If you look at the constitutional history of the state, if you look at how article 370 has developed in the past 70 years, i think all the jurists in this country have been of one opinion that it is impossible to revoke these guarantees following the constitutional we just hope that the entire procedure. So today, what has been done is by resorting to complete illegality, by completely murdering the constitution in the house International Community will rise up of people of this country, that is something that surprises us. Otherwise, we always knew that bjp wanted to abolish these protections to the occasion and take notice of the Human Rights Violations as part of the larger agent of Akhand Bharat or maybe having which are happening in kashmir due a hindutva kind of philosophy to this unprecedented curfew thats been placed, and the in this country, but the way unconstitutional act thats been that it was done, brought daylight, done in the parliament how the constitution of india in recent times. Was murdered by these people, 0n the specific point these two supermen who have come to rule this country, about pakistan, india of course i think it is something that surprised everybody who had consistently accuses faith or belief that india of the pakistani government of interfering, meddling and sponsoring terrorism in kashmir. Is the greatest do you believe that the climate is now right for pakistan to actually play more of a role inside kashmir . Will there be kashmiris democracy in the world. Looking for pakistani help . What about my point about a democratic mandate . This Jammu And Kashmir i think pakistan has behaved reorganisation bill just sailed like an International Ngo about this through the indian parliament. Entire issue, wringing its hands in the lower house it won a majority of 370 72. And showing tremendous amounts as you are a self professed of helplessness when it comes to this issue. Democrat, surely that we are always hoping that india represents a mandate. And pakistan can sit together and resolve this issue. India and pakistan have 70 years to figure this out among themselves, and now theyve not i think its the job of the international it does represent a mandate, but parliament is not community to come in and help these two belligerent neighbours to make there to demolish the principles of democracy, parliamentarians cannot become a voice peace with each other, for the majority. And, at the same time, thats our problem. Recognise that the primary stakeholders of the dispute are the people of kashmir and the voices of kashmir need to be heard. Who will then represent the minority populations of this country . When you talk about diversity in india, it is tremendous. It is 1. 3 billion people being represented in that house of people. 0ur problem is that when parliament resorts to unconstitutional methods. What has been done to jammu its always been that the narratives of kashmir are mixed and kashmir today can be done to any other state tomorrow, with the narratives about pakistan and india. I think its about time people so if parliament is out to demolish the federal structure of this recognise kashmiris deserve to have country, that is Something Agency over theirfuture which i believe the parliament and the voices of kashmiris need to be heard. Doesnt have the mandate for, shah faesal, we have to end and even also we must take notice that the Supreme Court of india has there but i thank you very much indeed forjoining me from delhi. Laid down a doctrine or basic structure of the constitution. Thank you very much. There are certain things the parliament can also not change. We believe these articles, article 370, the Supreme Court has laid it down. We believe they are part of that basic structure that the parliament cannot change. I suppose the logic of the opposition is that this will end up in the Supreme Court hello. And i know there are various legal for many of you, wednesday challenges to the revocation was a bit of a washout, decision, which are going to head to say the least. Towards the Supreme Court, but lets face it, the court today has issued a ruling saying it thursday, however, wont intervene in the decision looking much, much better. Of the curfew and the lockdown, the bulk of you will spend if not saying that the government has every right to impose this all but certainly most of the day policy and let things stabilise. It is not clear the court dry and a lot brighter and feeling a little bit warmer as well. We are sort of etween weather systems on thursday, this weather system which brought is going to be on your side. The rain on wednesday, some heavy showers through the night and into thursday morning, more persistent rain around shetland, this is the next if the parliament represents weather system for friday the majoritarian sentiment, so in between those two, then courts should represent the minority sentiment, weve got a fair bit of cloud that is our understanding. As of now we are about to to begin with. Nowhere near as chilly challenge these articles. For the thursday morning commute some Political Parties have already filed petitions. I know it is going to be a long battle. As it was on the wednesday morning commute a but a few showers it wont be easy for the Supreme Court also to undo here and there, scotland, what the majoritarian government, parts of Northern Ireland northern the bullying government, has done in this country. England and north wales, more persistent rain in shetland with showers pushing the way eastwards and largely fade in intensity and number as they go leaving most places under mostly i know it will be hard sunny skies during thursday for Supreme Court afternoon and with a lot justices to stand for more sunshine around, slightly lighter winds, of course it will feel warmer than it did on wednesday the cause of truth. And that sunshine of course, a bit stronger as well you make your passionate points this time of year. About the constitution, we finish the day with sunshine hazy but is there not a way of looking cross Northern Ireland, could be a bit of evening rain at this that is much more pragmatic and technocratic . Here but through the night, you yourself i think pride yourself cloud and rain and wind start pushing from the north and west. On being something of a technocrat. Parts of the midlands, Eastern England will stay dry mr modi makes the point that with some clearer skies by imposing a form of direct rule and the coolest conditions down into single figures once again, lets face it, direct rule but the temperatures here but mostly from delhi to Jammu And Kashmir in the teens as we start friday he says there will be morning but as you can see, a lot more development. Its going to be a day for the umbrella but also to really all citizens will be have a tight grip on it because this guaranteed their rights but he says there will be new investment area of low pressure also brings in infrastructure, the people with it strong winds. OfJammu And Kashmir its out at the atlantic will have more opportunities, morejobs, and in the long run it at the moment but pushes this weather front on its forward edge, bringing rain to most parts will benefit the people. Of the day on friday, i think this is a completely scotland, Northern Ireland, Northern England and wales, mischievous narrative that has been the wettest part will be likely be built around abolishing article 370. If you look at india, during the morning as rain which is now 28 states, spreads its way southwards and eastwards jammu and Kashmir State has developmental indicators better and after a bright start than many other such states. In the south east corner, it will turn here wetter if you look at the levels into the afternoon, and more of equality inJammu And Kashmir, persistent rain across southern counties of south wales at longevity, at the gdp per capita, through the afternoon with scotland if you look at the total and Northern Ireland seeing more fertility rates and other demographic indicators, sunshine but across the board it it might surprise the people that will be a blustery day with winds Jammu And Kashmir has better topping out around gale force around indicators than all many many coasts and hills. Such states that do not that same area of low pressure have such protections. Will be with us into the start of the weekend, keeping things through friday into the cool side. On the cool side. We have winds coming down from the north atlantic around it and they will continue to feed their way in, feeding showers. The more persistent rain linked to this weather front will be just about clearing for saturday morning. Article 370 was responsible early risers across the south east it was the protection, basically, for very successful may be still on the wet side land reforms that took but sunshine will come out place in the state of Jammu And Kashmir, and such land reforms for a time before that weather front inches northwards once again, have not been done anywhere turning the sunshine hazy across the south and turning things wetter in the channel islands. Showers more frequent around else in the country. Northern england and some of those happy with hail and thunder. Stays cool as it will do on sunday if i may also say, sorry with the chance of some more to interrupt, but article 370 also persistent rain, close to the south coast. Most will stick with that sunshine in a sense ring fenced some deeply sexist policies and constitutional and showers theme and quite a windy 00 13 25,959 4294966103 13 29,430 one this weekend too. Realities inJammu And Kashmir, and as mr modi has said he hopes that people will see that, for example, the kashmir permanent residence law, which jammu and Kashmir State had imposed, bars female residents from Property Rights in the event that they marry a person from outside the state. Mr modi makes the point that that is not right, and by imposing direct rule. That has been an evolving law, and there has been a conscious, constant debate that we need to give those protections and rights to women, and the high court ofJammu And Kashmir has settled that matter. Those protections and rights have been extended to women who marry nonstate subjects from Jammu And Kashmir. I can guarantee that we have been telling the government of india to leave it to the government of Jammu And Kashmir, leave it to the state assembly. The state assembly will correct all of those anomalies if they are there. I can tell you with complete confidence that all of these excuses are being now raised, because of the larger agenda of assailing the special identity of the state, changing the demographics of the state, attacking the constitutional protections, which were always part of the bjps idea, which is that we only want one constitution, one flag, one symbol, one president , one Prime Minister in the country. That is an idea of monochromatic lack of diversity of the bjp, where it doesnt respect minorities or multiple cultures. It mainly has extreme contempt for anything that is related to muslims. 00 14 28,105 2147483051 43 58,768 i think that is something 2147483051 43 58,768 4294966103 13 29,430 that was being used