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Good luck to the lionesses, back to you, joanna. Absolutely. More than 200,000 women in england and wales had abortions last year a record high. And a poll conducted exclusively for this programme suggests that the British Public are becoming more supportive of abortion rights. According to a yougov poll of over 1500 adults in Great Britain, 53 of people want to either keep the legal limit for a termination at 2a weeks into a pregnancy, or even raise that limit. This compares to 45 of people polled four years ago. But abortion is still illegal in Northern Ireland, unless there is a serious risk to a mothers health. And some politicians including jeremy hunt, who is standing to be tory leader favour a lower legal limit for terminations, although he says he wouldnt seek to change it as Prime Minister. For the next half hour or so, were going to discuss whether abortion laws in this country are ever likely to change, and what might be behind the rise in the numbers of women seeking them. You may find some of the issues discussed distressing. First, heres a summary of the current law on abortion. According to the nhs, an abortion is the medical process of ending a pregnancy so it doesnt result in the birth of a baby. 59 of the worlds women have access to abortion laws defined roughly as liberal. But abortion is illegal for 5 of women in the world. That is 90 Million People. In england and wales last year there were more than 200,000 abortions the highest number ever recorded. Abortion is legal within the first 2a weeks of pregnancy in england, wales and scotland, so long as two doctors believe the baby would worsen the womans physical or mental health. The 2a week limit broadly represents the point at which a foetus is said to become viable, or able to survive outside the uterus. It is possible to have an abortion after 2a weeks, if the doctors agree there is a serious threat to the womans life or risk of a serious foetal anomaly. In Northern Ireland, abortion is illegal unless there is a serious risk to the mothers health. Lets discuss this with our guests. Ashling hubert is an anti abortion campaigner. Naomi connor travelled from Northern Ireland to england for an abortion five years ago. Dr calum miller is a junior surgical doctor and is anti abortion. Claudia craig successfully campaigned for legal home use of Abortion Pills after her traumatic experience. Laura mann had an abortion but says she regrets it. Independent mp heidi allen talked about her abortion experience in the house of commons, Ajmal Masroor is an imam who wants the limit reduced to 17 weeks. Dr Caroline Gazet is an abortion surgeon. Caroline, first of all, why do you think attitudes are liberalising in this country . I think we realise that a woman has a right to choose what to do with her body, and we need to trust that women know what they want to do with their body, their body and their lives. As we go forward in the 21st century, this is the right attitude. It is not a universal attitude, we look to what is happening in the United States and attitudes are reversing there, the law is reversing there. And attitudes are reversing there, the law is reversing therelj and attitudes are reversing there, the law is reversing there. I think this is fundamentally wrong, i think we need to trust women, it is chilling but in america they are reducing it and making it very restrictive. We do not want to go down that route in england, we have an elected parliament and a law that is safe and we should not be reducing the limit at all. Let talk more about statistics, in our poll, 30 of those we spoke to want the limit reduced. Let talk about how you all see it. The appetite for going beyond 2a weeks, first of all, does anyone have an appetite to see abortion available beyond 2a weeks . No. When it comes to abortions over 24 weeks, i think that is a decision for a woman and a medical professional she is dealing with, andl professional she is dealing with, and i think what is termed late term abortions are very rare in the first instance, but those decisions should always be ta ken instance, but those decisions should always be taken between a woman and always be taken between a woman and a medical professional. I dont think abortion is over 24 weeks there is an automatic moraljudgment that comes with that, at the end of thejh that comes with that, at the end of the jh should be for a woman to decide. I think we have to remember that in england, over 90 of abortions are over 13 weeks and of those, 80 before ten weeks. We are talking about a very small minority of women who might be very vulnerable, needing this abortion, to ta ke vulnerable, needing this abortion, to take that away would be fundamentally wrong. You want introduced to 17 weeks . The concept of abortion in islam, from our perspective, is allowed all the way if the mothers life is at risk, under all circumstances. There is no weaker limits, that is the islamic philosophy from our ethics, therefore there is an argument if therefore there is an argument if the mothers life is at risk, abortion can take place at any stage. However, designer or whimsical abortion or social reasons for abortion is very strictly guarded within islam. We say abortion should not take place under any circumstances, if it should be at should not be beyond 17 weeks because of the concept of soul, but the unfortunate situation is that in the unfortunate situation is that in the secular world where we live, so its not even an entity discussed, between believe in nature. That phrase designer or whimsical abortion, what you mean . Lots of social reasons could be given for abortions. A person does not want that baby, or for small medical reasons, not that their life is at risk. Left anomalies. My son was born with a genetic condition and we could have had an abortion for him. We knew when my wife was pregnant. We knew when my wife was pregnant. We chose not to. If we ever have another baby we have the risk of having the same. As far as we are concerned, we would like to preserve life and that is our role, taking one life, according to my face, its like taking the lives of all humanity. A foetus is a life, so we had to be very careful not to deny that features its human rights, its spiritual right and its right to be. In islam and my ethics says if i and dealing it whimsically and not for a medical reason that can be substantiated, i should stay away from abortion. Does anybody want to respond . We had to be very careful about language like whimsical, for me, that is anti women. I was an abortion seeker number of years ago andl abortion seeker number of years ago and i have met women and pregnant people who have travelled for abortions, none of them are whimsical, they have not taken the decision lightly. I came from Northern Ireland, where there is an almost blanket ban on abortion, as was explained in the piece. I was. To travel. I needed an abortion, i didnt want one, i wasnt whimsical about that. I needed to have an abortion for what you describe as social reasons, because it was not right for me at that point in my life. I was. Right for me at that point in my life. Iwas. Get right for me at that point in my life. I was. Get on an aeroplane, do it without the support of my doctor and the people who know me best, i was forced to pay for it and it was a very difficult experience and nothing about it was done. I didnt wake up one day and decide, oh, iwant didnt wake up one day and decide, oh, i want an abortion. It was done in terms of what was right for my life, my family and my future and it was not easy. 20 women a week are travelling from Northern Ireland to access Abortion Services and care in england. None of those women find that easy to do, i would imagine. England. None of those women find that easy to do, i would imaginelj respect that easy to do, i would imagine. respect your view. I want to bring in heidi allen, i know you feel very strongly about this as an mp. Abortion legal in ireland and not Northern Ireland, part of the uk. Abortion legal in ireland and not Northern Ireland, part of the ukw is completely disproportionate and stands out like a saw thumb compared to the rest of the legislation. There have been a number of recent court cases, a couple still ongoing, one woman is an absolute champion for the women of Northern Ireland, in herfirst for the women of Northern Ireland, in her first case the court found that the situation. The law in ireland. Northern ireland was in breach of human rights and one of thejudges breach of human rights and one of the judges described it as an untenable position. We have another young woman at the moment, 15, in an abusive relationship, her mother faces charges because she bought Abortion Pills for her child. It is out of step. It cannot be right. We call ourselves the united kingdom, it cannot be right to have such an anomaly in Northern Ireland. 65 of people in Northern Ireland are ready to decriminalise, it is time for change. Stormont is suspended, nothing will change unless politicians here do something. Dare i say, the British Government keep hiding behind this, it is divulged, we cannot touch it. There has been no executive since january 2017, in the absence of vapid government has to add. There are a majority of cabinet ministers within the government who support this. In a moment we will watch our film with samantha, we have not heard from you, ashling, you Campaign Activity against abortion, you have been outside abortion clinics, what is your perspective . A blog even talking about public opinion, so many women have come to us talking about public opinion, so many women have come to us and we show images of abortion, and when they see the literal decapitated and dismembered bodies of human beings being given no human rights, no right to life, when women see these they say, my gosh, it has ribs, it has hands, the doctors never told me. People know it is a baby before they get it. At three weeks i had to heartbeat, eight weeks brain weight, then your unique fingerprints. Even a poll in 2018, and two thirds of women in Northern Ireland do not wa nt women in Northern Ireland do not want to see abortion imposed on them by westminster. It is taking the decision out of the hands of irish people, not doing what they want. Calum, you are a medic, you are against abortion. That graphic image of what happens to a baby in abortion is very shocking, what is your view . I would have to agree with ashling, often the medical profession high despite euphemistic terminology, people know it is a baby, terminology, people know it is a ba by, ofte n terminology, people know it is a baby, often it is described as a pregnancy, pregnancy tissue, a project of conception. The second term abortion, between 12 and 20 weeks, surgical abortions happen by dismembering the baby and crashing its skull. As an abortion doctor myself, up to 14 weeks, and we had to remember, lets go back to this. What is not true . Up to 14 weeks is done by a vacuum. Lets be accurate. 14 to 24 weeks, it is done by dismemberment. 9096 happen before 13 weeks . And 8096 before ten weeks. This is unnecessary. I had an abortion and it is like a really bad period. It was about nine also weeks. It is like a really bad period, there is no dismembered baby sitting in the toilets, none of that, it is like a really, really heavy period flow. That is obviously the majority, but for some who have abortion beyond 14 weeks. 1096 are after 13 weeks, 10 of 200,000 is 20,000. All talk at once it is not 20,000. All talk at 0nce it is not pleasant to talk about it but they unmaking the point that it is not pleasant, what happens at that stage, so go back to what you were saying. After 14 weeks, it is done by dismemberment and there are many, many thousands of babies who have had their lives ended in this way. After 24 weeks, it is legal up to birth for things like downs syndrome, klf parador even twins. When people find out the reality of the abortion law, the english abortion law sticks out like a saw thumb. In the rest of europe they have radically lower abortion limits, many do not allow abortion for things like downs syndrome, cleft palate or because there are twins. When we inform people of the fa ct twins. When we inform people of the fact on abortion, most people i speak to have no idea what it involves and they are horrified to find out what our law says. Laura, you had an abortion at 21 weeks . was 12 weeks when i found out i was pregnant, i had the abortion at 21 weeks. In hindsight, i know that i was not well informed in making that decision at the time. When i came out of marie stopes clinic in brixton, the first thing that went through my mind was, where is my baby, what has happened to the budget my baby . I kept asking myself that question. The nurses that escorted me to the recovery room, because i wasnt so much pain and i was sobbing, the nurse said to me, you silly girl, dont you know what you silly girl, dont you know what you have done . You silly girl, dont you know what you have done . That put a shock wave through my system and make me so depressed that i questioned, months after months, nightmares, cold sweats, what happened to this babys body . I was 19 at the time. You said you didnt feel well informed, you had gone from discovering you were pregnant at 12 weeks to having an abortion at 21 weeks, as part of the process you need the permission of two doctors to perform the surgery. How could you not have been informed . How did the process work . Im not saying as it is your fault, iam im not saying as it is your fault, i am saying there is a process and you would assume it was a process through which somebody be informed . In my ignorance at that age, i rememberseeing one gp in my ignorance at that age, i remember seeing one gp at kings couege remember seeing one gp at Kings College hospital, the chapter of my partner at the time, when i went into the room to discuss that i am pregnant, the first option i was given was abortion. We stepped out of the room, spoke for five minutes, we nt of the room, spoke for five minutes, went back in and i was so afraid, so confused, had no clue what to do, all the voices around me at the time we re all the voices around me at the time were telling me i could not do it, i could not do it. I felt so much pressure. I felt 0k within myself are going for the abortion, but when i left the clinic it was the beginning of my nightmare. Caroline, how do you respond to that . beginning of my nightmare. Caroline, how do you respond to that . I am very sorry you have had this regret, but 95 of women do not regret abortion. But the point of going through something where she looks back endlessly, so long later, thinking i was not properly informed . The system is supposed to be that people are properly informed and get full advice and it did not happen here. Obviously i cant answer for that because i was not in the consultation with you. I am sorry you feel you were not properly involved. At marie stopes we take it very seriously, informing our patients, but you also do not want to frighten them. The important thing is we offer counselling, give people lots of time to think, you are very people lots of time to think, you are very welcome people lots of time to think, you are very welcome to come back to counselling now, it is an open ended offer from marie stopes for all clients. We have a 24 hour helpline for women to ring sol clients. We have a 24 hour helpline for women to ring so i am sad you have had this experience. for women to ring so i am sad you have had this experience. I and completely healed in my process after many years of struggling and to come to terms with the abortion i we nt to come to terms with the abortion i went through. Facing the images one day outside of the department of health was like, wow, my goodness, this is what happened to my baby. That was the sudden realisation and another step towards the healing process. Yeah, so. Ijust feelwhy ourwinner process. Yeah, so. Ijust feelwhy our winner not properly informed . If i went for our winner not properly informed . If iwent foran our winner not properly informed . If i went for an operation i would get the full download, why is it with abortion that it is so secret . Why dont you let us know what we are going for and what will happen to our babies . It is not a matter of scaring people, it is informing people so i can make a proper informed decision. Ijust want people so i can make a proper informed decision. I just want to post pause at the moment. informed decision. I just want to post pause at the moment. I was 19, it was about 19 years ago. I have come across many of women 19, it was about 19 years ago. I have come across many of women even today that tell me the same thing, they are dying in secret. Because i share my secret openly, i am healed, lam share my secret openly, i am healed, i am graciously healed, they feel impelled to speak to me and say what they went through, i experienced the same as you they went through, i experienced the same as you want felt i could not speak to anybody appetite, what can you do to help me . All talk at once heidi, i you do to help me . All talk at 0nce heidi, i assume you are asking how long ago it was because you are wondering if things have changed . Contrasting to my own experience a few years ago. It was not as late as you and, god, you are brave. Amazing. It was not as late as that but i remember. Was eight beyond 14 weeks . I am struggling to remember, i think it was around 14 weeks, not beyond that. I was having physical seizures everyday, i could not control my body, medically it was really, really difficult. But i can still remember the conversations with the nurses and doctors in the clinic with the gp, i was at kings couege clinic with the gp, i was at Kings College as well, finally enough. At every step of the way, are you sure . These are the risks. I had the most incredible care. I would be interested , incredible care. I would be interested, because you are right, we had to make sure the handholding at the gentle knowledge, not hiding you from the facts but making sure you from the facts but making sure you are informed, that is what was sadly lacking, by the sounds of things. There are always errors made in life but i would struggle to take your desperately poor experience so many years ago as a reason to change the law completely. Were you told exactly what an abortion after 14 weeks would entail . Yes, and when you go to hospital as opposed to a clinic for tablets, it is because the process is more involved. Clinic for tablets, it is because the process is more involvedm clinic for tablets, it is because the process is more involved. It is in our booklets about citation and evacuation, i am in our booklets about citation and evacuation, lam not in our booklets about citation and evacuation, i am not sure they had those booklets then but i know the nurses in the clinic explain to their best ability. Not everybody would want to know, we cannot extrapolate from your experience that everybody wants that detailed. All talk at once i know that everybody wants that detailed. All talk at 0nce i know you all want to come in. I want to pause for a moment. Weve spoken to one woman called samantha. She is 26, and had two abortions within the space of nine months. While she felt that it wasnt the right time for her to have a baby, there were also financial considerations shes scared shell never have enough money to bring upa child. You may find her account distressing. When sam realised she was pregnant, she knew straightaway that she wouldnt have the baby. It was a relatively easy decision because i knew that i wouldnt be able to have a child. My partner was unemployed for a little while as well. So i was supporting both of us. I was paying both of our rent, both of our bills. And i was very financially stretched. So i was using all my savings as well. I had no money month to month spare. I knew that there was no way that i could have a child then. There was no way that i would be able to afford it. She decided to have a surgical abortion, which means going into a clinic to have an operation under anaesthetic to remove the embryo. If you have a medical abortion, you lose it at home by yourself. And if you have a surgical, then you leave the clinic without the pregnancy. And i really. I wanted my hand held through a lot of it, i think. And what about the sort of emotional toll it took on you . I dont think i was prepared for that emotional toll. Ifelt like i could go back to work immediately and it would be fine. But i think i ended up taking about a week off afterwards. I think immediately i felt really relieved. But its still, kind of those hormones are leaving your body, its very stressful. I was still very teary. But i didnt ever feel any regret. She says being totally open about having an abortion really helped her get through it. She told friends on social media and was overwhelmed by their support. You dont realise that all these women around you that have actually had it. So a lot of people that i kind of had relationships and friendships with already, providing that support and providing that information was really, really helpful. And there was a lot of women who maybe couldnt be open about it for cultural reasons, or religious reasons as well. And they hid it from everyone. Sam had tried lots of different types of contraception, but suffered with side effects. So instead she started tracking her cycle on an app. And so seven months later you ended up having another abortion . Yes. I got pregnant again and that time id actually taken the morning after pill as well, because i knew it was too close to the fertile window. But it didnt work. I felt really stupid. I felt really stupid and really ashamed because id had one so recently, i didnt feel like i could be as open and honest about it because. I felt like i would bejudged. I was still in the same kind of situation as before, where i didnt have a stable income, stable job, stable home. The second time i was less certain because i felt like i didnt i didnt want to have two abortions in my life. This time she chose to have a medical abortion at home, and took pills instead of having an operation. But days later, when she was at work, she was horrified when she found an embryo in her menstrual cup. I wasnt prepared. I thought it would be more like a heavy clot, or like, uterus lining. And its not. And yeah, i wasnt prepared for that. What is it like . Erm. For me it was like a kidney bean shape, like a lump of flesh. So, its kind of. I think, its really clear that that could eventually be a foetus. Seeing the embryo made me really feel like that was a pregnancy, that i could have had a child. And how many of your friends that also had abortions . Quite a number of them actually. Ithink. Possibly about 17 to 20 people. Considering that my kind of generation, millennials, are really struggling to even get on the housing ladder, to afford another child in a home thats not your own, and thats something that i really want to have in place before i have children, im definitely not going to be able to afford a home within the time frame that id like to have kids. It is something that i think would cause me quite a lot of anxiety if i were to get pregnant again. Shes worried she wont ever be financially able to have a baby. So its just not affordable for you to have a child . Not at the moment. And i dont know when it will be. That is samantha. Karen on twitter says we have come a long way since young girls used to die on their landladys back room. They used to ta ke landladys back room. They used to take babies from these young women and ship them off to orphanages. What is your response to that . And ship them off to orphanages. What is your response to that7m and ship them off to orphanages. What is your response to that . It is a lwa ys what is your response to that . It is always heartbreaking, none of this is ever flippant or happy topic. But what i find particularly interesting is at the end of the piece talking about money and the financial income. There is a particular policy the government have at the moment in the government have at the moment in the two child cap and we are seeing an increase in abortions and i wonder if there is a link in that. You mean the two child benefits . Yes, to support children. Whatever your view might be on, well people should learn to budget better and be more responsible. But look at Northern Ireland, where abortion is illegal and that benefit cap applies there as well. Is that a reason to have an abortion under the Current System where you need a medical sign up system where you need a medical sign up which is about the health of either the baby all the pregnant mother . Should doctors be signing off if somebody goes and says that this their region . I said i am just reflecting on the financial angle and why that is a driver for some people. How liberal our doctors when it comes to signing off if someone goes for an abortion, how rigorously are those tests applied . It is very important to again go back to the individual woman sitting in front of you and trust her to know that shes the right decision for her. So we would always make sure that she fulfilled the nature, the letter of the law otherwise it is a criminal offe nce. The law otherwise it is a criminal offence. I would always ask about how they felt if they couldnt have an abortion and the majority say they wouldnt to be able to cope emotionally. It comes down to the fa ct emotionally. It comes down to the fact why is it criminalised, why have we got to justify having an abortion. It is part of Womens Health care. We need to move away from this Paternalistic Society where two doctors are signing off saying a woman where two doctors are signing off saying a woman can where two doctors are signing off saying a woman can do something with their body when we know women know what they want to do. We need to trust women into deciding whats right for them at that time in their lives. You want to respond . What we are saying with this move, is remove and put all Legal Protections for the child, there have been repeated attem pts the child, there have been repeated attempts in parliament to remove the protection for the child. These unborn children, they shouldnt have personal status and we should have a right to do whatever you want to them. Lets move the protections, dont have any doctors involved. That is not what we are saying. There will be no legal requirements. I attempted to prosecute two doctors who were caught on camera who agreed to do late abortions. The cps looked at it and said its not in the publics interest to even address this case. There is no legislation being suggested. No there isnt. The problem i am seen, this is the symptom of a bigger problem. The problem is to do with lifestyle, morality. He said at the beginning, the designer, whimsical. Morality. He said at the beginning, the designer, whimsical. morality. He said at the beginning, the designer, whimsical. I say this is the greatest respect to women who have gone through this. I ama women who have gone through this. I am a marriage counsellor, and people say to me lots of things about abortion and i have to provide them with support as much as i can but as a cleric and a person of faith i have a duty and responsibility to remind everyone we are notjust a physical being, we are a spiritual being. You cannot deny the existence ofa human being. You cannot deny the existence of a human being just because you feel like it. Claudia, you campaigned for home use of the Abortion Pill . Yes, after my own experience. I want to make two main points on the point samantha raised in the video and what he raised yourself. The importance of talking about abortion just cannot be over emphasised. What he raised is interesting, you said you started speaking about your experience, the amount of friends that came to and said, this happened to me. I had the com plete said, this happened to me. I had the complete opposite experience. I was very well informed and looked after by my doctors and i didnt regret it afterwards but i have also been very public and my friends have come to me and said my goodness, i also had an abortion. It is what samantha said in the video we saw. I dont think we are speaking about this, what women are choosing, whether they are choosing that actually they wa nt to they are choosing that actually they want to gather that information and then think this might be something i regret. 0r then think this might be something i regret. Or they might gather that information and decide to proceed. The friends that came to speak to you about it, do you have anyone who has had their opinion changed by encountering somebody like ashley, i know you used to stand outside the clinic in brighton, to tell people going and it was the wrong thing. Know, to provide factual information. I dont know anyone who has had their opinion changed but i can speak from my own experience that i wouldnt find it helpful, i would find it terrible and harassment and intimidating. would find it terrible and harassment and intimidating. I had the experience of anti choice protesters outside a clinic and it wasnt helpful. They told me i could get a Breast Cancer at my age and they said they threw holy water over women, they said to young women, you will regret this for the rest of your life. They told women, who they assume to be the mother of the woman, they were murdering their grandchild. None of those things are factual, it is Emotional Abuse for a woman who is already in a difficult situation. It is not factually the case. I want to talk about the point of women in Northern Ireland he will have abortion imposed on them. It is not the case, women in Northern Ireland are having abortions, but they are being. Travel in order to have the abortion. They are having the law imposed on them that this restricts abortion foot we talking about choice. That is what we are talking about. Just to let me come back on the previous statement you made. When we, speaking from my organisation, when we stand outside clinics, we are doing for people like laura, she deserve to have the information before she went through with that abortion. It was only ten yea rs later with that abortion. It was only ten years later when she saw an image and it was, oh my gosh. That is what happened, it was a baby. They tell me it isa happened, it was a baby. They tell me it is a clump of cells, clinical waste. I am seeing before my eyes, head, arms and legs. Everything about you, your brain is formed. She was hearing that ten years later, she deserve that information. It is unjust and she deserve that information. It is unjustand unfairto she deserve that information. It is unjust and unfair to withhold that. The clinic i was accessing was a Family Planning association and i was going into get information about Family Planning. That is what i got, at no stage was an abortion forced on me. Where you told about what would happen to that child . on me. Where you told about what would happen to that child . I was given all the information i needed. We are making abortion very fashionable without talking about the ethics. We are making it about two all talk at once when we discuss this, we need to talk about the ethics in the life of the young burn baby, the babies and the young burn baby, the babies and the parents. You are talking about a lifestyle, flippancy. And fashion. you are talking about a lifestyle, flippancy. And fashion. I am saying something very clear, ethically speaking, a baby born is a baby born. An unborn baby is still a baby. All talk at once i have to stop you all. It shouldnt be in criminal law and women should not be criminalised for making choices about their own body. We have brought you together for your strongly held views and we appreciate your experiences and your views. Raise your hands, does anybody want to see the law changed . Do you think it will change . We will ask the politician for the one on this, is it likely to . Ithink it is. In what way. I think Northern Ireland will go through the same process and be equalise. ireland will go through the same process and be equalise. If jeremy hunt becomes the Prime Minister . M is regardless of who the Prime Minister is, the swell has to come from the backbenches and it is there already. We are out of time, thank you very much indeed and thank you for getting in touch. If you have been affected by any of the issues we have been discussing, help is available by bbc action line. Still to come after pro democracy protestors storm hong kongs parliament, we speak to a demonstrator and discuss what might happen next as tensions continue to rise in the chinese territory. And ill be speaking to a father with Motor Neurone Disease, who is crowdfunding for a new legal challenge to the law on assisted dying. England face the defending champions, the usa, in the semifinals of the womens world cup in france tonight. The lionesses cruised through qualifying rounds, and even breezed past norway in the quarterfinal. But tonight will be a test on a different level. Its the third time theyve got to the semis, but if they win itll be their first ever fifa womens World Cup Final and theyll face either sweden or the netherlands. If they get through it will be the first time in the final for the National Side since the men in 1966. What expectation well, we can speak now to one of the highest profile figures from the modern womens game. Faye white, do you think they can go all the way . It has been so exciting, and definitely they can get to the final. It will be a very tough test against america, the reigning champions and number 1 ranked in world. They have had a very strong start and this game will be high pressure, i think it will come down to the team he was able to handle that and take their chances. England dont feel as underdogs last timei england dont feel as underdogs last time i played them was in 2007 and we lost 3 0 in the quarterfinal but a different experience because it was the first well cut many had played in. It is different for phil nevilles squad now. He has been saying they wanted it to be america, they want the challenge and they are excited, they dont feel nervous and they are ready. It is about beating they are ready. It is about beating the best, if you win the world cup and get to the final you want to know you have played all the teams and deserve it. Last time we played america was in march and we drew 22. We have beaten them in 2000 and 1710 macro in the same tournament. We are getting closer to it and the girls believe today there is a wonderful opportunity. They have a different mental strength, the americans because three times world champion, 0lympic winners as well. It is something we are still learning but today is the chance for england women to put themselves there and they know they have got there and they know they have got the support of the nation. So many people will be tuning in and people in the pubs to watch it on the big screens back home to support them. That will filter through to the players and give them extra motivation. Lets see some of them in action, ellen white, joint top scorer, what makes her such a good finisher . She works very hard at a game. As she has got more experience, she is more composed when she is presented with the opportunities in front of goal. Five goals already in this tournament. Given a chance and she puts it in the back of the net. In previous yea rs, the back of the net. In previous years, i think at the start of her career, and england in were guilty of those chances not being capitalised on. She has learnt to be calm and composed in front of goal and when i trained with her at arsenal and she broke into the england team, she was doing extra training, staying behind to practice shooting and that is the kind of mentality you need if you are going to get to the top and be the best. Practice, practice, practice. You have been impressed with the way england have been moving the ball around, talk us through this movie will see against argentina that led to england getting a penalty . M will see against argentina that led to england getting a penalty . It is the kind of composure and patience now on the ball under phil neville. Every player, with argentina they do sit back so it is about having to keep moving the ball, shifting it to open up and wait for the opportunity, which might present itself to play a forward passing to feet. It is about having high intensity but good quality in your passing and having those angles. Players making those angles and the support. England have shifted it from left to right, back to the right side. Steph houghton picks it up and put it to the left wide player. He then lays it on for Alex Greenwood to drive into the box and eventually get the penalty. It is about knowing when to make the decisive, forward pass or run into dangerous areas. In the past we have conceded possession and that is one of the strengths. What it england have to watch out for tonight. We can takea have to watch out for tonight. We can take a look at rose lavelle in action from america . She is one of the younger players, this is the stage where she is making an impact and it is her ability to run with the ball and pick out passes like that to Megan Rapinoe, who is leading the goal scoring boot as well. Rose lavelle likes to pick up the ball and if there is space to run into in the midfield and the back line, she will slip into it and pass the ball to Megan Rapinoe or another star striker down the middle. What has been your england goal of the tournament so far . We have had many good goals but i think it would be lucy bronzes effort against norway. She is one of the best players in the well, one of the best players in the well, one of the best right back players and it is the moment in the game and she does lead by example. She would have been practising that in training. But to still deliver it and hit a ball when it is laid and put it in the back of the net. We saw even David Beckham in the back of the stands congratulating it. He knows a thing or two. In general, congratulating it. He knows a thing ortwo. In general, she congratulating it. He knows a thing or two. In general, she has been driving the team forward and it gives everyone confidence. Because of her attacking ability but also her defensive ability. Thank you faye white, where will you be watching . I will be watching in the greene king pub, 1000 pubs showing the game so another amazing move to get people supporting the lionessess. Lets hope. Thank you. The Chinese Government has condemned the storming of hong kongs parliament by pro democracy p rotesto rs. Dozens of young demonstrators got into the building yesterday afternoon on the anniversary of the territorys handover from the uk to china. The protestors are angry about a propsed new law which could see people extradited to Mainland China. Beijing officials have said they back the hong kong authorities to investigate what they call the criminal responsibility of violent offenders saying the demonstrators had trampled the rule of law. Britain has urged china to show restraint. We urge the authorities not to use what happened as a pretext for repression, but rather to understand the root causes of what happened, which is a deep seated concern by people in hong kong that their basic freedoms are under attack. And the way to deal with this issue is to address those concerns, not with any repression that will only exacerbate them. Lets talk now to one of the protestors in hong kong, who were calling angel, martin lee, the veteran pro democracy campaigner and founding chairof the Democratic Party of hong kong, and the bbcs china media analyst kerry allen. Thank you very much forjoining us. Martin, what is your reaction to the latest developments . When the placement are present and allow a group of protesters to continue to attack the door, which is being forced with iron bars and so on, continuously for four hours, without coming out to stop them from trying to damage the door of a very prestigious government building which belongs to the Legislative Council. Then finally, when the door was broken and the protesters entered the building, the police went inside the building and dispersed into thin air. Which government would have that such action. They should not have let them do that. They should not have done what they did. But nobody was hurt, fortunately. They tried to set a trap for the student successfully. So public sympathy in hong kong is beginning to drift away from the demonstrators for democracy. But generally, it was a very peaceful series of protests and a Million People and than 2 Million People, assuming that one seventh of the population of london where to take to the streets, what would it have done to the government . But in hong kong, the chief executive says no, no, no. Angel, you are one of the protesters. What is happening where you are . I was on the streets yesterday. I arrived at Victoria Park around 3pm. People were just walking on the streets peacefully and shouting, asking for carrie lam to step down and also asked for the extradition bill to be totally withdrawn. We arrived at the headquarters and we are getting more angry and we are shouting at the police and say that the police are actually not doing legal things. But still we are peaceful. We do not fight with each other. How is this all being covered by the Chinese Media . Beijing is traditionally very nervous about any protests within, what it sees as chinese land. So hong kong, the message comes across consta ntly hong kong, the message comes across constantly that hong kong is an integral part of china. When his protests started in earlyjune, they we re protests started in earlyjune, they were outright centred on social media platforms, they were not mentioned in traditional media so the pictures we saw all over the world of tonnes, hundreds and thousands of people taking to the streets, they were outright centred online. But as the protests have increasingly turned violent, there have been protesters in the last 204i have been protesters in the last 2041 was smashing the windows of the Legislative Council in hong kong and the government has been hand picking images and video related to that and showing that is what is happening and saying this is hooliganism in hong kong. Martin, your suspicion is thatis hong kong. Martin, your suspicion is that is being stoked by chinese provocateurs . Absolutely. These people using iron bars and so on could easily have been arrested, but they were not. Angel, what is your view of whether its people deliberately stoking the violence in order to convey an impression that some might want to be there . Yes, i agree with martin. Because i saw the police, they were actually inside the Legislative Council before, but when the protesters tried to get inside, then the police know they are going to attack the Legislative Council. They should stay there and try to protect the council, but in fa ct try to protect the council, but in fact they moved away. It seems to all the hong kong people that they are setting a trap for the protesters to go in and destroy everything, so they can take pictures and say that we are rioting. Very briefly, if the violence is counter productive for the protesters, what will the protesters do . We actually have nothing to do. We have already tried every peaceful way, 2 million protesters on the streets. But the government do nothing. I understand why those youngsters try to go into the Legislative Council. Thank you all very much forjoining us and updating us on the latest on the situation in hong kong. Thank you. A 48 year old man with advanced motor neuron disease is launching a campaign to fund a legal challenge to the law on assisted dying. Phil newby is a father of two he cannot walk or use his hands, and he knows that his condition will mean he will slowly lose his ability to breathe. He says he wants compassionate medical help to die in peace at home. Ive been talking to him and to his lawyer saimo chahal. The reasons are very personal. 0riginally i was diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease five years ago and things have got quite tough over the last 18 months. I started looking at my own options and they were really quite appalling. So i moved to a point where i thought the law needed changing rather than me taking some really awful options that lay ahead. So tell us more about those options and why for you, an assistant death is the option you have decided you want . Well, with a disease like Motor Neurone Disease, you lose capacity bit by bit and im frightened to get to a point where i am locked in my own body and cant do anything myself. So the options, as they stand, are either i take my own life, ahead of time, while im well enough to do it, or i travel abroad for a compassionate death somewhere else and that again brings forward my death. I would like to spend every day that i could with my family. The issue is, i cant get the compassionate death in this country. Obviously, a legal fight is going to be gruelling and time consuming and you are now facing the prospect of that to your dying day. Obviously, you are signed up to it, but you said he want to spend every day of that you can with your family, how much is that going to take over and how do they feel about it as well . Well, i am seeing this as an important part timejob and if i didnt think we could do something useful and we didnt have a good chance of success, i wouldnt be giving the limited time that i have to this cause. But i think the tide is running with us on this, the public support us, the medical bodies are moving in our direction and there is something to be done that is so important. 300 people every year take their life in this country, people who are terminally ill. I think it is one in every eight days someone goes to switzerland for a compassionate death. You know, the time is right and i believe we can get this done. So what are the prospects of getting this done because obviously you have represented others previously who have tried and failed . Well, thats not quite correct because tony nicklinsons challenge went to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court said they were very understanding of the issues and said that they had jurisdiction to change the law, but wanted parliament to look at it. Debbie purdys case was a success in that the dpp had to put forward guidelines about who he would or would not prosecute in cases of assisted dying. So a great deal of progress has been made already. So what next step do you think you could achieve in this case . So in phills case, what he wants to do is invite the courts to really tackle the issue of why the law should be changed by putting forward expert evidence from ten experts, all around the world who are experts in this field and who can show that a change in the law wont affect the weak and vulnerable, that its not going to create a slippery slope and that its right and proportionate that the law should help people who have a progressive illness, who are terminally ill to have a compassionate death in this country. What is the prognosis of your condition expected to unfold over that period . Who knows, it is progressing relentlessly at a steady rate. I hope to be able to stay the course and if not, i hope someone will take this cause up with me behind me. Iam in this will take this cause up with me behind me. I am in this for the long haul and i think the public support this and we have something we can get done this occasion. This is about bringing the debate out of the newsrooms and into the court where the most learned people in the land can consider the evidence for and against assisted dying and they can come up with a view. It is our view the evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of what we are trying to achieve. If we can get the exercise donein achieve. If we can get the exercise done in court, i think i will have done in court, i think i will have done myjob. Done in court, i think i will have done my job. Thank you both very much. Before we go, time for a quick couple of messages from you on abortion. Sarah said, i had a termination at 19 and it was absolutely the right decision for my mental health. But having lost twins are 21 weeks who looked perfect, i am anti abortion after 14 weeks, we as women must be more careful with contraception on the morning after pill. Catherine says, stop making women feel even worse. Thank you for your company today, see you soon. Goodbye. Good morning. Many of us have had a fine start to the day with some sunny spells. Fairly typicaljuly day. That is the scene in welwyn garden city. For the rest of the day we will continue with sunny spells across and wales. Bit more cloud for scotla nd across and wales. Bit more cloud for scotland and Northern Ireland. You could catch a few showers drifting southwards across northern part of england. But really the emphasis is ona dry england. But really the emphasis is on a dry day and a maximum temperature of getting up to 17 to 22 degrees. About the average for the time of year. This evening, there will be clear spells and it could turn chilly into the early hours of wednesday morning. A fresh start to the day. Temperatures in the major towns and cities down to seven to 14 celsius and throughout wednesday, a fairly similar story with some sunny spells expected and there perhaps by a degree or so, 18 to 22, maybe even 23 degrees. Thats youre watching bbc newsroom live its11am and these are the main stories this morning the foreign secretary calls for the authorities in hong kong to exercise restraint after demonstrators stormed the Parliament Building yesterday. We urge the authorities not to use what happened as a pretext for oppression. An investigation is launched after a man suspected to be a stowaway falls to his death from a Kenya Airways flight bound for heathrow into a garden in south london. Boris johnson and jeremy hunt will make their pitch to be the next Prime Minister to conservative Party Members in Northern Ireland. The bbc reveals that the number of stars being paid more than £150,000 has increased over the last year at the first sitting of the new European Parliament