Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20171106

And the people who manage the queens finances have defended their investments, following the revelation that some of her wealth has been placed in two offshore funds. Well bring you the details. Hello, welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 00am. The Prime Minister theresa may is due to give a speech in the next hour on westminster abuse and brexit. Well bring it to you live. Were really keen to hear your thoughts on the unfolding westminster abuse scandal. Is this a Tipping Point when it comes to men in positions of power gcioss comes to men in positions of power across all industries and the way they treat women and sometimes other men. Is this a seminal moment in our country where things really are going to change, where the dinosaurs will leave . Do get in touch use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Our top story today. 26 people, including several children, have been killed in the latest mass shooting incident in the us. The attack happened at the First Baptist church, in the small town of Sutherland Springs in texas. Authorities say the youngest victim was just five years old, the eldest was 72. Our north america correspondent peter bowes has more. The scene of americas latest mass shooting. A tiny church in a texas town. A sunday morning gathering that turned into a massacre. More than two dozen dead and many more injured. The ages of the victims range from five to 72. The motive of the gunman is not known. We are dealing with the largest mass shooting in our states history. There are so many families who have lost family members. Fathers, mothers, sons and daughters. The tragedy, of course, is worsened by the fact that it occurred in a church, a place of worship, where these people were innocently gunned down. The gunman fled the scene and was later found dead in his vehicle. It is unclear whether he shot himself or died of a gunshot wound inflicted by a local resident who pursued the suspect, armed with his own rifle. This Close Knit Community has been left shattered and distraught. Stay with us as we learn to deal with this. As people wait for news of their loved ones, many are overwhelmed by the scale of the tragedy. Theres no words. This happens in new york, in big cities. No one is safe. My dad has already taught me how to get the gun from the safe and load it. If it can happen here, it can happen anywhere. President trump, who is on a tour of asia, condemned the shooting as an act of evil. Through the tears and through the sadness, we stand strong, oh so strong. The shooting comes just over one month after the deadliest mass shooting in modern us history when a gunman in las vegas killed 58 people. Now, another community has joined the roll call. More lives lost and more families asking why us . As they struggle with their grief. More on that come throughout the programme. Now to the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. The people who manage the queens finances have defended their investment practices after the revelation that some of her wealth has been placed in two offshore funds. It follows a huge new leak of financial documents, dubbed the paradise papers, revealing how the rich and powerful invest their money in tax havens around the world. The bbc does not know the source of the leak, which contains more than 13 million documents, mostly from one finance firm based in bermuda. The vast majority of transactions did not involve any illegal activity. Heres our economics correspondent andy verity. Bermuda. Where the law firm at the heart of the biggest leak in offshore history, appleby, has its head office. The queen is the head of state here but until now we did not know that some of her private money was invested in tax havens like this one. The duchy of lancaster, the private Investment Vehicle for the queen, put £10 million, a small fraction of its overall investments, in offshore funds with 7. 5 million of that in one fund in the Cayman Islands. In 2007, it was asked to put £350,000 into investment projects including the purchase of two retailers. One was the company that owned threshers that later went bust owning £70 million in tax, and the other was brighthouse, the controversial rent to own retailer which was recently forced to compensate a quarter of a million customers. I am pretty furious with those who advise her and that are bringing her reputation into disrepute. It is so obvious that if you are looking after the money of the monarchy, you have got to be cleaner than clean and you must never go near the dirty world of money laundering, tax avoidance, tax evasion or making money in dubious ways. The duchy told us that all of the investments were fully audited and legitimate. The documents also reveal that Donald Trumps commerce secretary, wilbur ross, has business links with russian allies of president vladimir putin. Mr ross has a secret stake in a shipping Company Called navigator holdings. One of its major clients is sibur, a Russian Energy company. The associate of vladimir putin, gennady timchenko, is a shareholder, and sanctioned by the Us Government in 2014. Mr ross told us none of the funds he managed ever owned a majority of navigator shares and he never met gennady timchenko. More revelations are to come. A former conservative activist has told this programme she was ignored when she told the house of commons authorities shed been raped by a man who worked for a tory mp. The woman, whose identity is being protected, told us she was assured by commons officials that it would be passed on to senior Party Figures but now says her report was not taken seriously. When you seen so much happen and Nothing Happened on all of those occasions as well, its arrogant to assume i would be anything that stood out. Treated any differently, that my claim would be anything that stood out. Im a number, a name, nota person. Im just an allegation. Probably one of many. And there is no importance attached to those. It only becomes important when it becomes a problem. And it becomes a problem when it is picked up by the media. Meanwhile theresa may will meet the other Political Party leaders today to discuss a new parliamentary complaints system to deal with allegations of Sexual Misconduct by mps. The deputy Prime Minister, damian green, will be interviewed today as part of a Cabinet Office investigation into claims that pornography was found on a computer in his parliamentary office. He strenuously denies all allegations against him. A commuter train has derailed at a station in south west london. British transport police say around 250 people were on board the service from basingstoke to waterloo, when it came partially off the tracks at wimbledon station just after six oclock this morning. There are reports of some minor injuries. The childrens commissioner has called for more Mental Health support for children in care saying there should be a presumption that it is essential. Anne longfield told the Victoria Derbyshire programme that more should be done to help children recover from traumatic upbringings. Almost half of those in the care system have a diagnosable Mental Health disorder, and looked after children are four times more likely to have a Mental Health condition. A Saudi Arabian prince and several other high ranking officials have been killed in a Helicopter Crash close to the countrys border with yemen, according to reports on state media. Prince mansour bin murqin was a deputy governor, and a son of the countrys former crown prince. Its not yet known why the aircraft crashed. The deposed Catalan Leader Carles Puigdemont has been released from custody by a judge in belgium. Mr puigdemont and four of his ministers surrendered themselves to police after the Spanish Government issued an eu wide warrant for their arrest. Theyve been told they are not allowed to leave the country and are expected to appear at a Belgian Court in the next two weeks. Police in devon say theyve made a breakthrough in a twenty year old murder investigation. 14 year old kate bushell was attacked as she walked her neighbours dog near her home in exeter in 1997. Police now believe that her killer may have been wearing bright orange work overalls, after discovering fibres on her body and clothing. Starting today, some nhs patients will be able to access gp consultations via video calls on their smartphone 2a hours a day. The Royal College of gps is warning that some patients could be left behind and complex conditions may be misdiagnosed. But the team behind the project say it will bring Health Consultations into the 21st century. Its high time that nhs patients we re its high time that nhs patients were giving the opportunity to benefit from technology to improve access to health care. We have benefited from this kind of technology in so many different aspects of our lives, whether be shopping or banking, and its time we we re shopping or banking, and its time we were able to do that in health for nhs patients. Its been described as one of the biggest shocks in strictlys history as Aston Merrygold was voted off the show last night. Aston was one of the bookies favourites to win but the jls star and his dance partner Janette Manrara failed to impress the judges with theirjackson 5 inspired viennese waltz. Judge Craig Revel Horwood only gave them a four. Ive had friends that have done this show before and they have said, you will have the most amount of fun from start to finish and they werent lying. From this lady to every Single Person in here, you can your guys, yourself, claudia, you amazing lot i get to see and spend so amazing lot i get to see and spend so much time with and learn from and make some amazing friends. Honestly, ive had the best time and its been amazing. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 9. 30am. A friend text me last night after the results show saying she was literally going to boycott watching strictly. I replied saying, i bet you dont this morning, do you think the revelations about Sexual Harassment, and you have told as it happens in the nhs, taxi firms, schools, offices and factories, and we now know it happens at westminster. Do these revelations represent a Tipping Point where people in positions of power stop abusing that privilege by harassing those in less senior positions. Do you genuinely think this will lead to sweeping changes in how we all behave . Do get in touch with us throughout the morning use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. A tweet from kathleen, Sexual Harassment will not disappear. Not much faith there. Lets get some sport with kathryn downes. And Manchester City may be eight points clear at the top of the premier league after beating arsenal but its Arsene Wengers post match comments making the headlines. Whats he had to say . We hear all kinds of excuses in football. A couple of weeks ago we heard Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola blaming the ball for a bad performance from his side. This one isa performance from his side. This one is a little more standard, blaming the referee. Arsene wenger having a go at the officials after the match yesterday, saying he feels the referees do not work enough. The level drops every season at the moment and overall it is not acceptable. This after his side were beaten 3 1 by Manchester City, dropping down to sixth in the premier league. He was grumpy about this challenge on Raheem Sterling, when he claimed sterling dived. Replays showed he was pretty much ploughed into. The third goalfor Manchester City, where replays show, it looked offside. Even the city players looked surprised to be allowed to play on. We have was the result with Arsene Wenger not happy at all about the officiating. This is what he had to say. |j at all about the officiating. This is what he had to say. I believe it was no penalty. It was a provoked penalty by sterling. We know he dives well, he does that very well. And the third goal was offside. I am very upset because at 2 1 we were in the game and looks like we could score. We had many dangerous situations. That third city was offside, but alan shearer was strong in his criticism of Arsene Wenger, saying it is unacceptable to pick up one player like Raheem Sterling, and that he owes him an apology. To deflect from his teams inadequacies and deficiencies, its another want to question somebodys integrity and be run. He owes Raheem Sterling an apology. No way that a dive, and it was a penalty. Whether or not Arsene Wenger apologises to Raheem Sterling, we will have to wait and see. Managers can be fined for speaking out against referees and officials. Jose mourinho had a couple of times last season after being outspoken against refereeing mistakes, as he saw them. But it seems the stakes are so high in the premier league that managers cant keep a lid on their frustration. Premier league that managers cant keep a lid on theirfrustration. And the fines do not match the salaries they earn so they make no impact whatsoever. A former conservative Party Activist has told this programme she reported an alleged rape to house of commons authorities but was completely ignored and left feeling worthless. She says she told the commons clerk a toxic, heavy drinking and sex driven culture within westminster had contributed to the alleged attack, which destroyed her. In an exclusive interview, amanda whose name has been changed to protect identities says she was raped by someone who worked for a conservative mp. After it was reported to police and due to go to trial she spoke to the house of commons clerk and says she was told her concerns about the culture and the alleged rape itself would be passed to the then chief whip, Gavin Williamson, who is now the defence secretary and Andrea Leadsom, the leader of the house of commons. The commons clerk says he did not formally report the Rape Allegation as there was already a criminal case under way. But he did pass on her general concerns. Both mps say they were not told about the allegation of rape, but Andrea Leadsom admits she was told about concerns over the culture at westminster. Catrin nye has this exclusive report. I was raped by someone senior to me in the conservative party. It was violent, it wasnt in westminster, and it shouldnt have happened. And i remember the attack, during the attack, i remember the room disappearing around me and thinking i was going to die. When he left the next day, i was at a Police Station within an hour. And i reported it. Its destroyed me. And i question how i could be so stupid as to get into that political scene, and i blame myself for doing so because it led to what happened to me. If i hadnt have got into that scene, i wouldnt have been attacked. Its as simple as that. The criminal case progressed and was due to go to trial. Amanda, whose name weve changed to protect the identity of both parties, says she decided she wanted to talk to commons officials about her alleged rape and how she felt the culture of westminster contributed to it. Weve confirmed that she had a 25 minute conversation with the house of commons clerk. Parliamentary authorities let me know that they were passing it on to the chief whip, who was Gavin Williamson at that time, and the leader of the house, Andrea Leadsom. But that was never followed up. As chief whip, Gavin Williamson was in charge of the conduct of mps, and Andrea Leadsom was in charge of the day to day workings of the commons. Amanda says she left that conversation believing she had secured a meeting with them. Gavin williamson has since been promoted to defence secretary, and Andrea Leadsom has since said parliament would take a zero tolerance approach to allegations of Sexual Misconduct. The clerk of the house of commons refused to tell us who he spoke to about what hed been told, but did say that amandas views on the culture in parliament only were informally reported onwards and were acted on, though no one will tell us how exactly it was acted on and amanda was not told either. Weve confirmed that concerns about the culture were passed to Andrea Leadsom, but both leadsom and williamson insisted they were not told about the rape claims. Senior conservatives say theyre shocked the allegations did not reach the chief whips office. I never received contact from either of them. The parliamentary authorities never followed it up with me either. Ive heard nothing. How did that make you feel . I felt as if my experience wasnt important, and that the experiences of others who had had similar things happen to them werent important either. And how do you feel about the culture in westminster now . Its toxic. It is not a place i would advise any young, particularly young women, but young people as a whole to get into. Can you tell me more about the culture, what its like . Heavy drinking, sex driven. Very much. Self interested. Ive lost count of the number of women that i have seen plied with drink to the point that they couldnt stand up, and then being escorted out of bars by senior staffers and mps. Ive lost count, and people dont bat an eyelid. Women are meat. New intern, new meat. You really think its that bad . Yeah. I dont think its that bad, i know its that bad. You dont realise until you get out quite how bad it was, and its only now looking back into that environment that i can see those things. Im pretty sure there are those who are still within it who dont see these problems. So did you think it was normal at the time . Yeah, yeah. I mean, ive had men stick their hands up my skirt, ive had men ply me with so much drink, again, that i couldnt stand up. I was party to all that. I, in fact, at one point i saw it happen to other women, and ijust accepted it as normal. Do you think they care about the reputation, about what these kinds of allegations do to the reputation of parliament . Only if they hit the press. Only if theyre picked up by the media and attract attention. But allegations in themselves, they can be brushed under the carpet, they can be ignored. Amanda is also critical of theresa may. I dont think women in politics get where they are by serving the interests of other women. Ithink. Particularly within the conservative party that rings true. Weve had two female Prime Ministers that should tell that, you know, politics is still a very male driven space and in order to succeed you have to act like a man and push feminine interests aside, and particularly anything with feminism within the conservative party, anything tainted with the name feminist or similar is met with mockery and contempt. The man amanda had accused of rape, who was not an mp, strongly denied the allegation, and the case was eventually dropped after a review of the evidence. But when she told the parliamentary authorities about it, and her concerns about the culture, the case was due to go to trial, and she says she was ignored, despite their obvious seriousness. Why didnt you do something . Why . Not surprised in the slightest. Im resigned to the fact that nobody does anything about these things now. You must be disappointed . Yeah. Well, a bit, but when youve seen so much happen and nothing happen on all of those occasions as well, its arrogant to assume that i would be treated any differently, that my claim would be anything that stood out. Im a number, a name, nota person. Im just an allegation, probably one of many. And theres no importance attached to those. It only becomes important when it becomes a problem, and it becomes a problem when its picked up by the media, when somebody stands up for the people that these things have happened to. What do you hopes going to happen as a result of you speaking to us . I would hope that a code of conduct is introduced, and a no tolerance policy equally introduced to monitor the behaviour of all individuals working in parliament, regardless of their status. I would also like to hope that the licensing requirements are reviewed in the bars on the parliamentary estate, and that consent workshops are compulsory for anybody in employment within parliament, mp or staffer. It sounds petty, it sounds like very, very small actions, but the fact that this has happened for so long, these small actions need to be taken, and their needs to be a no tolerance policy, and any allegation that is made has to be properly investigated and treated as a serious, serious offence. Andrew says a deeply powerful story. Mummy says, this story is heartbreaking. Sort it out westminster. Heartbreaking. Sort it out westminster. A heartbreaking. Sort it out westminster. A number of heartbreaking. Sort it out westminster. A number of you asked why the woman didnt go to the police. She did. It was as it was proceeding and she went to the house of commons clerk and the case was dropped. Lets get reaction to that story from conservative mp, mims davies, who is the chair of the all Party Parliamentary group for women in parliament. And labour mp, rupa huq, who says she was sexually harassed by an mep when she was in her 20s. Mims, how do you react to the fact that an alleged rape was brought to the attention of the parliamentary authorities as it was proceeding to authorities as it was proceeding to a criminal trial, but seemingly no action was taken . Well, first of all im so sorry to hear this experience of someone who in politics who hoped to have a good experience by getting involved with the party. 0bviously there is an issue here with it being off the parliamentary estate and what was reported to the house authorities. But the reality is, if this is endemic as an underlying culture, then certainly what has been coming to the fore over the last couple of weeks, we absolutely need to deal with so that victims or people who were concerned about any behaviour of anybody who works for the house of commons, any experience within parliament, that they feel there is due process to go through. Im delighted about the code of conduct that we have all conservatives in fact, i raised a ten minute rule bill seven months ago about enshrining the noble principles for councillors and i would like to see that culture going cross party and i now rupa across the weekend on different news programmes saying there is a lot of goodin programmes saying there is a lot of good in parliament as well and we need to make sure thats what people see rather than what appears to be unpleasant behaviour, but it is not my experience of being part of the conservative party. It has been a positive experience being an mp, but it appears that some staffers and some people being involved in all parties, are having very unpleasant experiences and our party is certainly not the only party that needs to be really looking at itself and all the procedures around it. it conceivable to you that a 25 minute conversation of this nature, between this woman, and the clerk of the house of commons, involving a Rape Allegation against a man who worked for a conservative mp would not be passed on to the chief whip or leader of the house of commons . My or leader of the house of commons . My understanding of the difficulty is this happened off the parliamentary estate and because there were Legal Proceedings already happening. 0bviously, Gavin Williamson and Andrea Leadsom were mentioned in the piece that we just heard. My experience of them in their roles has been very much taking their responsibilities on the parliamentary estate incredibly seriously. Now, if there is a disconnect between what happens off the parliamentary estate and on, thats what we need to be dealing with and as i say, this lady who has come forward, with such a powerful story, we applaud herfor what come forward, with such a powerful story, we applaud her for what she has done and we have to learn all the lessons cross party from all these brave women who are coming forward and showing that their experience of politics is not a very good one. The clerk says he didnt formerly report to Andrea Leadsom and Gavin William and there was a Rape Allegation because the clerk says there was a criminal case proceeding. He refused to tell us who he did speak to about what he had been told, saying only that amandas allegations were informally reported onwards and were acted on. No one can tell us exactly how it was acted on and amanda wasnt told either. Why do you think that would be . Im sorry, victoria, ijust cant tell you. Could it be because nothing was done . I dont believe so because i have a spent several conversations this weekend with our new chief whip who is going through every issue relating to an mp and making sure that the code of on duct and the proper procedures are put in place. We have got the Prime Minister meeting with other leaders today. So, i dont believe that the culture that we are moving forward to, we would ever have that experience, but i dont know what happened in this situation. My understanding is if the drinking culture is reported, that should be dealt with. I certainly, as i say, andrea and gavin, i have been a new mp since 2015, himself issues that i have been concerned about, i have a lwa ys have been concerned about, i have always had good responses from both of those people. There must be a disconnect there somewhere. Now, the defence secretary and now the chief whip, who says we can confirm the Rape Allegation was never reported to the then chief whip. If it was, we would have taken that allegation serious and referred to the police. 0n the parliamentary estate if there is already Legal Proceedings going on, that is the difficulty here. But that doesnt help that young lady. Andrea leadsom confirmed she was told about the complaints regarding culture, but not the Rape Allegations. But again, nothing seems to have been done . She described a toxic heavy drinking culture. These quotes, heavy drinking, sex driven, very much self interested. Ive lost count of the amount of women i have seen plied with drink to the point where they couldnt stand up, and then being escorted out of bars by senior staffers a nd escorted out of bars by senior staffers and mps. Women are meat. Newington, new meat. New intern. The way she has described that, thats grotesque. My experience, having come through the conservative Womens Organisation is absolutely a very respectful and positive culture within the conservative party more broadly. I came to parliament in 2015, the first time i had ever come other than a morning shadowing another mp. My experience has been wholly positive. I have been very clear in this role, both as a constituency mp and in the all party group, that i want westminster to be a welcoming and positive place for women to succeed. Clearly historically that is a very different experience to the one i have had and am currently having, but it doesnt mean we cant do something about that perception. Every week in our constituency surgeries, where processes have gone wrong and people have been let down, mps are doing the best for their constituents. We need to be seen to be doing this in parliament. 0n the whole, many of us do great work and this is very damning. Its a terrible scourge. Rupa huq, labour mp, you were sexually harassed as a student by a male nep at the European Parliament in 1995. Do you think this is now a turning point in the way people in positions of power across westminster and across all sectors behave . I do. Ithink across westminster and across all sectors behave . I do. I think the dam has been broken, the genie has come out of the bottle, whichever expression you want to use. About a week ago we were talking about the sex toy minister. Thats not the title of the minister we were talking about. We have had revelations of all this time and my worry was we would get something to patch up the crisis, a one off. But now there has to be something systematic to deal with these processes that are not there at the moment. I do think its a turning point. We saw it with expenses. There are a lot of regulations about financial impropriety but nothing really about Sexual Misconduct, and i think the time has come because of all the stuff we have seen. The Prime Minister will meet leaders of all westminster parties in the house of commons this evening. What proposals would you like to see introduced . The case with amanda is gut wrenching and stomach churning me awful, what happened to her. I would like to say its completely shocking, but in the last week we have seen things that its turning into something unshockable. The bex bailey case for incidents. There is no real place to report this. There are several commons clerks, i not clear who it is, so who is this person . And if it is off the premises, there is no clear chain of command to how to report this. We the and independent body. Somebody not connected to the house of commons or to any of the parties. We need an independent body. Could the committee of standards in public life extend its remit . Is that a credible body . That committee is about selflessness, the nolan principles and financial stuff. A p pa re ntly principles and financial stuff. Apparently in 2012 there was a code of conduct that was vetoed by the whips. The culture of the whips, and these mysterious terms to people on these mysterious terms to people on the outside, chief whip, if youre not in the system you dont know what this means. Theirjob is to shore up their own party. Thats why there has been such reluctance. We need something independent and rules for them to uphold. At the moment the rules are lax, if nonexistent. There is no Sexual Harassment policy, no hr in the house of commons. What about consent classes for mps commons. What about consent classes formps and commons. What about consent classes for mps and those who work for them . I think all these things should hinge on consent. What happened to me 22 years ago, the case of a male nep with wandering hands, putting them somewhere i didnt want them. I rebuffed him and that was the end of it. It left me startled more than anything else. What was he thinking . This person is not very tall good looking, but he had power because he was an mep. You have these massively asymmetrical power relations wherever there is politics because its an insecure working environment where loads of people wa nt to environment where loads of people want to get into. Its the same as any zero hours working culture where people want to get on so they dont speak out. And women dont like speaking out, because to bring a prosecution, the body of evidence you need, the witness statements, and for amanda it must be traumatic to be reliving all of that. He was probably thinking. I cant imagine i was the only person he was doing that too. There are lots of interns continually arriving at strasbourg. 0ne continually arriving at strasbourg. One person has tweeted, its about time the police were stopped. Another says get rid of the westminster bar subsidy and use it foran hr westminster bar subsidy and use it for an hr department. Mahamat says he finds it difficult to believe nobody in the conservatives or labour knew about it. Really interesting to know if this will change things across all professions, jobs and sectors. Thank you to rupa huq, thank you for your time. Still to come the Prime Minister theresa may is due to give a speech in around 15 minutes time where shell talk about westminster abuse and life after brexit well bring it to you live. Plus, well look at the queens finances following that huge leak of financial documents which is being called the paradise papers. Time for the latest news heres annita. 26 people, including several children have been killed in a shooting in a Church Service in texas. The attack happened at the First Baptist church in the small town of Sutherland Springs. Authorities say the youngest victim was five years old, the eldest was 72. Police found the suspect dead in his car. There is currently no indication as to his motive. The people who manage the queens finances have defended their investment practices after the revelation that some of her wealth has been placed in two offshore funds. It follows a huge new leak of financial documents, dubbed the paradise papers, revealing how the rich and powerful invest their money in tax havens around the world. The bbc does not know the source of the leak, which contains more than 13 million documents, mostly from one finance firm based in bermuda. A former conservative activist has told this programme she was ignored when she told the house of commons authorities shed been raped by a man who worked for a tory mp. The woman, whose identity is being protected, told us she was assured by commons officials that it would be passed on to senior Party Figures but now says her report was not taken seriously. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news. Heres some sport now with kathryn downes. Here are the sports headlines. Arsene wenger has accused Raheem Sterling of diving and says the refereeing in the premier league is getting worse by the season. Arsenal lost 3 1 to Manchester City, who are now eight points clear at the top of the table. Chelsea beat Manchester United 1 0 at stamford bridge, Jose Mourinho on the losing side as he returns to his former club. Kilmarnock chalked up a much needed victory in the scottish premiership, beating hearts under new manager steve clark, taking them out of the relegation zone. Justin rose is making a late bid to finish the year as europes number one golfer. Victory in turkey gave him back to back wins and he is closing in on Tommy Fleetwood at the top of the standings. The people who manage the queens finances have defended their investment practices after the revelation that some of her wealth has been placed in two offshore funds. The duchy of lancaster, which provides the queen with an income, held funds in the Cayman Islands and bermuda. Heres how it works. A small amount of the queens money went into a buy to rent retailer called brighthouse a company which has been criticised for irresponsible lending. Last month, the uks financial regulator said brighthouse, which sells electrical goods and furniture predominantly to people on lower incomes via weekly installments, had not acted as a responsible lender and ordered it to pay £15 million compensation to 249,000 customers. Last year, in an exclusive report for this programme, the former labour leader ed miliband called for Better Regulation on buy to rent firms such as brighthouse. Brighthouse have 300 Stores Across the country, often in the poorest areas. One of them is in doncaster, my constituency. Im concerned that brighthouse has taken advantage of people on benefits and working on low incomes. But in the course of our investigation, i have been really shocked to find brighthouse is selling to people with Mental Health problems and learning disabilities. Paul, not his real name, he asked us to hide his identity. He has learning difficulties and Mental Health problems. You are a customer of brighthouse . Yes. And do you want to just tell me, from the receipts, what you owe them, and what goods you have with them . Thats that. Thats the sofa . Yeah. Telly, cd. So you have on this receipt, five items. How have you ended up with that number of items, do you think . You must have started off with one . I started off with one. I dont know how it works, i really dont know. The disclosure is among the first from a leak of millions of confidential documents relating to investments made through tax havens by wealthy individuals and companies. Theyve been dubbed the paradise papers. They were obtained by the german newspaper Suddeutsche Zeitung and shared with the International Consortium of investigativejournalists including the bbcs panorama programme. David mcclure is with us in the studio this morning hes author of royal legacy, an investigation into the royal finances. And with us on webcam is Richard Brooks a former tax inspector at hmrc an author of the great tax robbery. And we can speak tojo galazka, whose family had years of bad experiences with the rent to own company brighthouse. Wee mate interrupts this conversation if the Prime Minister begins her speech at the cbis annual conference. We might interrupt. Why is it controversial that the queens private estate invested £10 million in offshore tax havens . I think the controversy is over what these tax havens do, and as the report said, there is no evidence of direct tax avoidance by the duchy of lancaster, the queens fund. But the money has gone through the Cayman Islands, which is associated with secrecy, which is involved in tax avoidance by other companies with corruption, tax evasion, and its not the place the queens advisers should be putting her money. If there is no tax advantage for her doing it there, why do it there . I think there are other marginal regulation type advantages for the funds involved. These tax havens do notjust specialise in tax avoidance, they also offer light regulation that appeals to Fund Management industries. Thats why the money is there in the first place. Its not really a tax issue in this case. Would the queen know where the money is going . Its extremely unlikely. She does not have hands on control of the duchy. Thats done by the council, and below that there is a series of about 18 fully employed officials of the duchy. She would not know of the individual investments going on. Why would all those expert people think it appropriate for the british monarch to invest money in offshore tax havens . Well thats a very good question. Someone should have looked at it more closely. Does this look bad . Nothing illegal has happened. It damaged the brand. Someone should have said, hey, why are we investing in these funds . It seems inconceivable that no one said that. You would like sensible people would say, what would this look like to the British Public if it ever came out . Maybe they thought it would never come out. Jo, your familys experiences as a brighthouse customer . My family, we have had a numberof customer . My family, we have had a number of goods and items from brighthouse and we are one of the families that ed miliband referred to, that have been exploited. My mum has got severe Mental Health problems and yes, she has been completely exploited by brighthouse and it resulted in goods being returned, despite her paying hundreds of pounds for them. Even a sofa being ta ken hundreds of pounds for them. Even a sofa being taken away. It is a scandal and sofa being taken away. It is a scandaland im sofa being taken away. It is a scandal and im really disappointed to see that the royal family have shares in such a company like brighthouse. They dont have shares in brighthouse, but they invested in a company that has links with brighthouse. What do you think of that . Im truly horrified because you know what does it say to families like mine and you know people in this country who have got Mental Health problems who have been exploited by brighthouse. Has it given it the green light and the go ahead to practise practises like that. Brighthouse says it provides services to millions of british people who are unable to access traditional lines of credit. People who are unable to access traditional lines of creditlj people who are unable to access traditional lines of credit. I would have to disagree with that. With my mum, they were constantly harassing her, asking her, do you want ad ones, do you need this . It is coming up to christmas, the children may want a games console, they may wa nt may want a games console, they may want a may want a games console, they may wanta lap may want a games console, they may want a lap toop and as far as i am concerned, they ex plotted my mum. She is on benefits and clearly cant afford the re payments she is on benefits and clearly cant afford the repayments and at one time she was paying up to £50 a week in repayments. So tell me how that is responsible . I disagree with that and theyre going to say that, but families like mine are the tip of the iceberg, there is much more if we scratch below the surface. Do you know if your mum will be entitled to any of the compensation . She is has made contact and they said they would be in touch by the end of the year. Yes, she does qualify as one of those people. David, it was a relatively small amount of money from the queens private estate, just over £3,000 that ended up in the Company Behind brighthouse. Does the amount of money matter . It doesnt matter. Its a small sum, but it looks bad. Its a small sum, but it looks bad. It damages the brand. And someone should have seen that this it would cause embarrassment. So, its a small amount, but the individual amount is small, but there is about £10 million invested overall in the off shore tax havens so it is part off shore tax havens so it is part ofa off shore tax havens so it is part of a much bigger sum. Do you think it will lead to Greater Transparency andinn it will lead to Greater Transparency and inn what the duchy does with the queens money . I think it will add to the pressure for parliament to try to impose greater scrutiny over how the duchy is run. In the past, they have, they have there have been a few odd parliamentary committees that looked into, but they have not got a handle on how the money is spent. Richard, is it possible tond tax havens . Its difficult. I mean, the process is beginning, very, very slowly, but you know the irony is that we are all, tend to be agreeing that we are all, tend to be agreeing that the queens money should not have been put into a tax haven. Im going to interrupt you, sorry. The Prime Minister, theresa may, is on stage at the cbi conference. Lets listen to what she has to say. It isa it is a pleasure to be with you today. Last year i spoke to you about my belief in a well regulated free market economy. I said it was the very best way to spread opportunity, and lift people out of poverty. We should never under estimate the immense value and potential of open, innovative, free market economies when they operate under the right rules and regulations. Around the world, over the last century, it has been those countries with well functioning free markets which have enjoyed the greatest economic, social and Technological Advancements. At its best when a free and open market place is combined request the rule of law, individualfreedom, equality and human rights, in a representative democracy, great things are possible. People live longer and more secure lives. They have the freedom and the means to fulfil their ambitions and make the most of their potential. To bring up theirfamilies, care most of their potential. To bring up their families, care for one another and give Something Back to their local communities and to wider society. And i believe that the approach i set out to this gathering last year, for a more co operative partnership between business and government, is the right one to build the Even Stronger economy we all want to see. An economy fit fort future. Ready for the next decade, delivering greater opportunity and prosperity right across the country. I believe that the opportunities ahead for our country are enormous. And the government i lead is determined to support British Business in making the most of them. 0ver support British Business in making the most of them. Over the last 12 months, ive led trade delegations to india and japan. Im always hugely impressed by the businesses and entrepreneurs i take on these trade trips with me and who i meet week in and week out and im immensely proud of what they have to offer international investors. Last year, britain enjoyed record levels of foreign direct investment. Across the uk, we have seen toyota announce a £240 million upgrade to their car plant in derbyshire and bmw announce they will build a fully electric version of the mini in oxford, the train manufacturer is expected to create 200 skilled jobs in its new factory following a £30 million investment, with the support from the department of trade, elite in enniskillen won contracts worth over £4. 5 million and bus manufacturert secured a £44 million deal toks port double deckers to mexico city. Supporting hundreds of jobs double deckers to mexico city. Supporting hundreds ofjobs in falkirk and guildford. Here in london, google will open a new london, google will open a new London Office with £1 billion of investment. As we celebrate this good news, we should keep in mind what it all really means. It is not simply numbers on a balance sheet, but an investment in peoples livelihoods, and the Economic Security of families across britain. It isa security of families across britain. It is a vote of confidence in the uk, in ourtalents, it is a vote of confidence in the uk, in our talents, our it is a vote of confidence in the uk, in ourtalents, ourskills, and our infrastructure, and our ideas. And the reason we want a strong and thriving economy and successful businesses is because we want to help more people to lead full and happy lives with good qualityjobs, and rising Living Standards. To build a country that works for everyone, and an economy that is fit for the future. For the last decade, the biggest economic challenge facing the government has been dealing with the consequences of the financial crash, and the Great Recession which followed it. Thanks to the innovation and the entrepreneurship of British Business, the hard work and sacrifice of the british people and the governments clear economic plan that situation has now been transformed. The deficit has been cut by over two thirds, and the economy has grown for 19 consecutive quarters. Since 2010, overthree million more people now have the security of a job. There are nearly one million fewer workless households. 3. 4 million new apprenticeships have begun. Income equality is at its lowest level since 1986. And the number of People Living in absolute poverty is at a record low. British businesses, and indeed, the cbi itself, can take their share of credit for what britain has achieved in the years since the financial crisis. But our job now is to look to the future. If the last ten years have seen us weathering the storm of the financial crisis, and rebuilding our fiscal and economic position, the next ten years must see the beginning of a new chapter in the story of the british economy. Because for all our progress there is still a long way to go. So today, i want to talk about my vision for the stronger, fairer, and better balanced economy we need to build in the years ahead. The conservative governments plan to deliver this is very clear we will get the best brexit dealfor our very clear we will get the best brexit deal for our country. Guaranteeing the greatest possible access to european markets, boosting free trade across the world, and delivering control over our borders, laws and money. We will take a balanced approach to government spending, ensuring debt is falling and at the same time, investing in our key public services, and keeping taxes low. We will help businesses to create more good jobs across the country, with a modern industry strategy that invests in the skills, industries and infrastructure of the future. We will build the homes our country needs. Sew everyone can afford a place to call their own and all the security that brings. We will carry on improving standards in our schools and colleges, so our young people can get on in life. We will back the innovators and Wealth Creators who deliver growth, jobs and lower prices, and greater choices for consumers and step in if businesses dont play by the rules. And we will work tirelessly to tackle the injustices that hold people back from achieving their true potential. By following this plan, a balanced approach to public spending, the best brexit dealfor britain, and active industrial strategy, more homes, Higher Standards in our schools, backing innovation and Wealth Creation and fighting tirelessly against injustice, we can create a country with a stronger economy, and a fairer, more caring society. 0ne that will guarantee a Better Future for the next generation. Central to this plan is our modern industrial strategy. The government will be publishing our industrial strategy white paper later this month and we will speak in more detail about it then. But let mejust will speak in more detail about it then. But let me just set out today some of the underlying principles which are driving our work. For a free market economy to succeed in delivering economic and social progress for everyone, the government has a vital role to play. That starts by setting the right rules, and making sure they are adhered to. And some say its rules, and making sure they are adhered to. And some say its role should end there too. But i believe the proper role of government goes beyond that. Through how it invests public funds, how it provides an Education System for the next generation, how it commits to long term goals and how it supports business, people and places, a strategic state has a major influence on the economy. In exerting that influence, governments must inevitably make choices and in a democracy, be held to account for them. The choice which this government makes is to deploy this influence in a thought through way, taking decisions for the long term because while the power and potential of the market is immense, i also strongly believe in the good that government can do. Weve already seen this approach work for one sector of the economy, the Financial Services sector. 0ver decades, governments of all parties, pursued the aim of making the uk the Worlds Centre for Financial Services. They worked with business to set a clear, long term framework for the sector to succeed and it now accou nts for the sector to succeed and it now accounts for 7. 2 of the british economy. It contributes over £70 billion to the exchequer annually and employs over one Million People across the uk. Here in london, yes, but also in edinburgh, cardiff, bournemouth, leeds and in other towns and cities. And when the regulatory structures governments put in place fail, and the irresponsible practises of a minority damage the economy as a whole, as happened during the financial crisis, government has a duty to step in. When british banks suffered during that crisis, government did not turn its back on the sector wasting decades of effort and forfeiting our global position, instead we were steadfast in our commitment to fixing things and making the sector Even Stronger than before. Government worked to create a more stable and defective Regulatory Framework and in doing so, strengthened resilience and reputation of the uks Financial Sector and contributed to the strengthening of the Global Financial system. This has been a Success Story for britain and that Success Story for britain and that success has been enabled by Strategic Support from government. And a long term commitment from conservative, and a previous generation of labour politicians to provide certainty and follow through. That model, a strategic Long Term Partnership between government and a vital sector, effective and evolving Regulatory Frameworks and incentives, has led to global pre eminence for the uk. Good qualityjobs to global pre eminence for the uk. Good quality jobs across to global pre eminence for the uk. Good qualityjobs across the country, and tax revenue to fund Vital Public Services like schools and hospitals. By setting the right frameworks, and investing in skills and infrastructure, we can help broaden our economic base. Build a more balanced economy, and make britain a true global leader. Of course, we cannot and we will not try to make a plan for every corner of our economy. We believe in the free market and wont attempt to shield the economy from market forces. So we will have to make Strategic Decisions about whether government can and where it cannot best support key sectors of our economy. Such an approach avoids the failed state interventionism of the 19705. But it failed state interventionism of the 1970s. But it also learns from the past failures of governments to give sectors and places across the country the Long Term Support they need to cope with economic change and compete in a changing glopeble market place. As we take the industrial strategy forward , as we take the industrial strategy forward, i want the cbi and businesses represented here to work as local enterprise partnerships and elected mayors to ensure all parts of our country benefit. 0ur elected mayors to ensure all parts of our country benefit. Our approach to industrial strategy reflects our ambitions for the british economy as we leave the european union. A more productive, dynamic, innovative world leading economy, which embraces technological change and is globally focused. In my florence speech in september, i made a generous offer to our european partners. I am generous offer to our european partners. Iam pleased eu generous offer to our european partners. I am pleased eu leaders responded to it positively. The council acknowledged the progress we have made and called for a further acceleration. Since i spoke in florence, i am pleased there has been further progress on citizens rights, including an agreement on Reciprocal Health care and pensions and further alignment on a range of Social Security rights. 0ur eu negotiating team is now preparing for the next phase. I particularly welcome the beginning of internal discussions among the eu 27 about their position on our future relationship and the implementation period. When sufficient progress has been agreed, we want to move as quickly as possible on both of these issues. Throughout this process, i have been determined to give business and industry as much certainty as possible. Achieving that maximum certainty was the first objective i sat in my lancaster house speech injanuary. It has remained fundamental to our negotiations to date. We want to forge an ambitious Economic Partnership out of the Single Market but with a new balance of rights and responsibilities between us and the european union. 0ne responsibilities between us and the european union. One which respects the freedoms and principles of the eu, and the wishes of the british people. We should be excited by the possibilities which this new relationship presents for the future. Just as we are realistic in acknowledging that it will take time to finalise. I have made clear that a strictly time limited implementation period will be crucial to our future success. I know how important it is for business and industry not to face a cliff edge and to have the time it needs to plan and prepare for new arrangements. During this period, our access to one anothers market should continue on current terms, andi should continue on current terms, and i want us to agree a detailed arrangements for the period as early as possible. But we should also be able to develop our relationships with countries outside the eu in new ways, including through our own trade negotiations throughout the world. And that world is changing in profound ways. The technologies which are emerging today will have as profound an impact on our economy and lives in the 2020 horrell and 20305 is the internet and Smart Technology have over the last 20 yea rs. Technology have over the last 20 years. Britain is already a world leader in a number of fields. The uk is ideally placed to be the worlds hub. In Artificial Intelligence, i believe Dame Wendy Hall and jeromes independent review into the sector argued that we should seek to make the uk the best place in the world for Artificial Intelligence businesses to develop, start, grow and thrive. The economy fit for the future which we must build over the next decade, will be driven by science and innovation. As well as supporting Economic Growth and helping to create good jobs of the future, scientific and Technological Advancements also have the potential to transform and improve our lives, with life saving medicines, new sources of clean energy and breakthroughs in Digital Technology that we use everyday. Last year at this conference i committed to a record increase in public spending on research and development with an £2 billion by 2021. I want to make britain a International Centre for the transformative technologies of the transformative technologies of the future. We are playing our part by increasing Public Sector support for research and develop it to record. Levels. We will say more in the industrial white paper. Today i put the challenge to you and to industry across the uk to do the same. Because the immense benefits that investment in research and development can bring you will development can bring you will develop the products and services that will convert scientific discovery into real improvements in peoples daily lives. Today, for eve ryo ne peoples daily lives. Today, for everyone pound of Government Support for research and development, British Businesses invest around £1 70. But in america businesses invest around £2 70, and german businesses invest around £2 40. So i want you to work with us to drive up business investment. To help develop the next generation of technology is here in the uk so we can deliver more good jobs across the country and improve Living Standards for everyone. This isa Living Standards for everyone. This is a goal we all share and one i know the cbi has long campaigned for. And britain has always been at the cutting edge, the birthplace of the cutting edge, the birthplace of the First Industrial revolution, the home of more nobel prizewinners than any country outside the united states. We must see these coming technologies as forces for good with huge potential for technologies as forces for good with huge potentialfor our technologies as forces for good with huge potential for our economy and society. For our industrial strategy, the government will help ensure britain makes the most of them. As is our duty, we will also work with and support those who are disrupted by that change as well. That will mean ensuring the uk has modern and efficient infrastructure which delivers for taxpayers and businesses across the uk. Add considerable progress has already been made. More than a quarter of £1 trillion has been invested in uk infrastructure since 2010. We are getting impartial expert advice on crucial decisions of the future. As well as investing in the physical infrastructure, we also have a duty to invest in the skills of our workforce. For too long, Technical Education in this country was regarded as second best and our economy suffered as a result. We are changing this. Our new t levels backed by substantial funding will overturn education levels in england. We will cover digital, construction and education and childcare. These will be of equivalent status to a levels and will give young people who want to pursue a technical career a better and clearer path to follow. But improving our offer on Technical Education takes nothing away from the importance of higher education. I want to see more people from more diverse backgrounds, both going on to university and enjoying the benefits of higher level study of all kinds. 0ur International Competitors are producing more and more skilled workers and we need to do the same. These are exciting times for our country. I am optimistic about the future we can build for our young people if we continue to press ahead with our reforms. Better schools, improve Technical Education and more accessible universities, giving eve ryo ne accessible universities, giving everyone the chance to get on in life with a good qualityjob, the chance to get a secure home and raise a family. Thats what our industrial strategy is there to deliver. I have talked this morning about how government and business can work together, to pursue a modern industrial strategy and build an economy that is fit for the future. But gathered here today, we cannot ignore the ongoing allegations of serious abuse and harassment in parliament and across westminster. As representatives of British Business, you know that your firm s only truly succeed when you provide safe, secure and professional environments for your employees. Parliament and whitehall are special places in our democracy, but they are also places of work, too. And exactly the same standards and norms should govern them as govern any other workplace. What has been revealed over the last few weeks has been deeply troubling, and has understandably led to significant public unease. Women and men should be able to work free from the threat or fear of harassment, bullying and intimidation. But for too long the powerful have been able too long the powerful have been able to abuse their power and their victims have not been able to speak out. Let me be very frank, Political Parties have not always got this right in the past. But i am determined to get it right for the future. So i have already published a new code of conduct and grievance procedure for the conservative party, which will apply to all conservative officeholders and representatives. It sets out the high standards we expect and the procedure we will follow to deal effectively with complaints. And later today i will convene a meeting with my fellow Party Leaders to discuss establishing a new common, robust grievance procedure for parliament. Because those working for members of parliament should not have to navigate Different Party systems depending on their employers political affiliation. We need to establish a new culture of respect at the centre of our public life. One in which everyone can feel confident that they are working in a safe and secure environment, where complaints can be brought forward without prejudice, and victims know that these complaints will be investigated properly. And where peoples careers cannot be damaged by unfounded rumours circulated anonymously online. Of course, people can be friends with their collea g u es people can be friends with their colleagues and consensual relationships can develop at work. This is not about prying into private lives. What we are talking about is the use and abuse of power. We must stand up for all the victims of abuse, harassment or discrimination wherever it has occurred. Now is the time to act decisively, without fear or favour, to guarantee a safe and respectful working environment for everyone in the future. As we look ahead to the next ten years of britains economy, we should do so as rational optimists, there are huge opportunities ahead, making the most of them will demand hard work, imagination and commitment. But britain has succeeded in the past where we have been confident in our strengths and bold in our action. When we have backed the ambition of our Wealth Creators, who use their talent, hard work and skill to take a chance, to grow a business, and to spread Economic Opportunity to others. With the right economic foundations, a balanced approach to public spending, and the best brexit dealfor britain, the right long term incentives or business and our Wealth Creators, given the freedom and support to and thrive, and with government playing a proper strategic role in support of growth across the united kingdom, i am convinced we can and will make the most of those opportunities and build a Better Future for everyone in our country. Thank you. Studio theresa may describing the Sexual Harassment and abuse revelations in recent weeks as deeply troubling. She says for too long the powerful have been able to abuse that power. And we need to establish a new culture of respect. She will take some questions now. If you would like to put your hands up, i will ta ke like to put your hands up, i will take the red paddle over there. The guardian newspaper, your predecessor David Cameron said aggressive tax avoidance was not morally acceptable. And you said you want an economy that works not just for the privileged few. Will you finish that work and insist british tax havens create Public Registers of who owns offshore companies and trusts, and will you announce a public enquiry into aggressive tax avoidance . We have been continuing the work David Cameron started. He started it not just for the uk but on the International Stage as well. That is important. We have been seen more reve nu es important. We have been seen more revenues come to hmrc over the last few years, since 2010, 100 revenues come to hmrc over the last few years, since 2010,100 and £60 billion extra that they have been able to raise. There is already work done to ensure we see Greater Transparency in our dependencies and british 0verseas territories, and we continue to work with them. Hmrc is already able to seek more information about the ownership of sheu information about the ownership of shell companies, for example, so they can ensure people are paying their tax. We want people to pay the tax that is due. The blue paddle. Angela middleton. We but people in diverse jobs. There are so many opportunities now, but what can we as businesses do to build aspiration in young people and excite them about their future . Studio we will leave theresa may, she has been addressing the cbi annual conference. She talked about brexit, as well as Sexual Harassment and abuse. Im brexit she says she will avoid a cliff edge exit. She calls itan avoid a cliff edge exit. She calls it an implementation period. Everybody else calls it a transition period. She says it will be time limited because businesses need security. 0n sexual abuse and harassment she says the revelations of recent weeks have been deeply troubling and we need to establish a new culture of respect. And we are talking about the use and abuse of power, and now is the time to act. She has a meeting tonight with the other westminster Party Leaders where they will discuss it further. We have been asking you if you think it isa we have been asking you if you think it is a Tipping Point in our society when it comes to Sexual Harassment and abuse. Susan wants to point out that we this thing is not confined to the entertainment and political arena. She said, i have worked in an office and i have been subject to this behaviour in almost everyjob i have had. Women who complain are regarded as troublemakers. Lets give working women a voice at last. David says, these behaviours are not acceptable anywhere in our society and not just not acceptable anywhere in our society and notjust in parliament. There is one on strictly which hell read later. At least 26 people have been killed and 20 others wounded after a gunman opened fire at a texas church during sunday service. The attack happened at the First Baptist church in Sutherland Springs, a small town in wilson county. The victims ages range from five to 72. 0ne one man told how he chased the gunman after seeing two men exchanging gunfire outside the church. Speaking to an american reporter, Johnnie Langendorff described his reaction. They said there is a shooting. I pursued and i just they said there is a shooting. I pursued and ijust did what i thought was the right thing. You know there were more weapons in that car. You possibly stopped from killing other people. Car. You possibly stopped from killing other peoplelj car. You possibly stopped from killing other people. I didnt know that. President donald trump, who is on a tour of asia, has reacted to news of the shooting. The president described the gunman as a very deranged individual and denied that guns were to blame for the shooting. I think that Mental Health is your problem here. This was a very based on preliminary reports, very deranged individual. A lot of problems over a long period of time. We have a lot of Mental Health problems in our country as do other countries, but this isnt a guns situation. I mean we could go into it, but its a little bit soon to go into it, but fortunately somebody else had a gun that was shooting this the opposite direction otherwise it would have been much worse. We can discuss this now with peter ling, a professor in american studies at the university of of nottingham. Hello peter. You say this is really about Mental Health and that people with certain Mental Health issues should not have access to guns. How would you go about enforcing that . Well, this is all part of a screening well, this is all part of a screening process well, this is all part of a screening process that you should actually have to be screened before you are allowed to have a firearm in the united states, the right to bear arms is constitutionally protected so you cant have the kind of screening that would be the case in australia or this country, but trump is speaking to the people who voted for him. They wanted him to protect them in their rights. They think the state is bad. And gun control, like environmental protection, like health care, is a power grab by the state and so, this is why he has come out in the way he has to path old jaouz the shooter. He is mad and therefore, we cant legislate against madness. Sorry who, is mad . The shooter. In the eyes of donald trump, we dont need to do anything because the gunman was mad and you cant legislate against madness. Can you explain why if someone drives a vehicle to crowds of people on a pavement it is described as terrorism, but if someone goes into a church and shoots 27 people dead, it isnt . Well, we dont know what the motivation of this person was, but in the united states, there tends to be the view that domestic Mass Shootings are driven by personal matters whereas these kinds of attacks, using other weapons are driven by ideology. Do you think there is any chance at all President Trump might shift his sta nce all President Trump might shift his stance because he has changed his views, his stance, in relation to china for example ornate owe, might it happen with guns . No, i think there is too much invested in his wing of the party in defending the right to bear arms and that as i said earlier, they do regard gun control as one of the ways in which the state tries to expand its power and they are very hostile to that idea of an expanded state. The only possibility would be if the National Security interest was so acute that they needed to regulate the flow of high powered weaponry to terrorist groups. Thank you very much, professor peter ling. Still to come it felt like no one was there for me and no one cared. I was crying myself to sleep every night. The words of one man who grow up in care. The childrens commisioner tells us why its key theres more Mental Health support for looked after children. For too long the powerful have been able to abuse their power the words of Prime Minister theresa may in the last few minutes. This morning weve revealed that a former conservative Party Activist who informed the house of commons authorities of an alleged rape says her complaints were completely ignored. In an exclusive interview, a woman who were calling amanda told this programme she asked the commons clerk to raise concerns about the toxic westminster culture with senior tories. She tells us, quote parliamentary authorities let me know that they were passing it on to the chief whip who was Gavin Williamson at that time and the leader of the house, Andrea Leadsom. But she didnt hear anything more from anyone. Gavin williamson, now the new defence secretary, insists nothing was ever reported to him, adding, if it was, we would take an allegation of this nature extremely seriously. Amandas concerns about the culture but not the rape were passed to the leader of the house of commons Andrea Leadsom but no one can confirm what happened next. The commons clerk says he did not formally report the Rape Allegation as there was already a criminal case. We bought you catrin nyes exclusive report earlier, heres a short extract. I was raped by someone senior to me in the conservative party. It was violent, it wasnt in westminster, and it shouldnt have happened. And i remember the attack, during the attack, i remember the room disappearing around me and thinking i was going to die. When he left the next day, i was at a Police Station within an hour. And i reported it. The criminal case progressed and was due to go to trial. Amanda, whose name weve changed to protect the identity of both parties, says she decided she wanted to talk to commons officials about her alleged rape and how she felt the culture of westminster contributed to it. Weve confirmed that she had a 25 minute conversation with the house of commons clerk. Parliamentary authorities let me know that they were passing it on to the chief whip, who was Gavin Williamson at that time, and the leader of the house, Andrea Leadsom. But that was never followed up. As chief whip, Gavin Williamson was in charge of the conduct of mps, and Andrea Leadsom was in charge of the day to day workings of the commons. Amanda says she left that conversation believing she had secured a meeting with them. The clerk of the house of commons refused to tell us who he spoke to about what hed been told, but did say that amandas views on the culture in parliament only were informally reported onwards and were acted on though no one will tell us how exactly it was acted on and amanda was not told either. Weve confirmed that concerns about the culture were passed to Andrea Leadsom, but both leadsom and williamson insist they were not told about the rape claims. Senior conservatives say theyre shocked the allegations did not reach the chief whips office. I never received contact from either of them. The parliamentary authorities never followed it up with me either. Ive heard nothing. How did that make you feel . Worthless. As if my experience wasnt important. And how do you feel about the culture in westminster now . Its toxic. It is not a place i would advise any young, particularly young women, but young people as a whole to get into. Heavy drinking, sex driven. Very much. Self interested. You really think its that bad . Yeah. I dont think its that bad, i know its that bad. I mean, ive had men stick their hands up my skirt, ive had men ply me with so much drink, again, that i couldnt stand up. The man amanda had accused of rape, who was not an mp, strongly denied the allegation, and the case was eventually dropped after a review of the evidence. But when she told the parliamentary authorities about it, and her concerns about the culture, the case was due to go to trial, and she says she was ignored despite their obvious seriousness. Why didnt you do something . Why . Amanda isnt alone. Over the past two weeks we have heard allegations of inappropriate behaviour across the Political Parties. In the conservative party, sir Michael Fallon was the first minister to go following allegations of inappropriate behaviour. He acknowledged as defence secretary his behaviour had fallen below the high standards of life required in his role. Damian green, whos effectively theresa mays deputy, has denied a claim that police found pornography on his computer during a raid on his Westminster Office in 2008. He has said ex police chief bob quicks claims in a sunday newspaper were completely untrue and political smears. He is also facing claims he fleetingly touched a younger womans knee and sent her a suggestive text. The International Trade minister mark garnier is being investigated by the Cabinet Office for a potential breach of ministerial rules after he admitted asking his secretary to buy sex toys. The mp for wyre forest also confirmed he called her a sexually demeaning term, but said it did not amount to harassment. Conservative mp for Dover Charlie elphicke has been suspended by his party after serious allegations against him were referred to the police. He says he is not aware of what the alleged claims are and denies any wrongdoing. Over the weekend, a whip called chris pincher stood down from the whips office and referred himself to both the partys complaints procedure and the Police Following allegations over his behaviour. Hes accused of making an unwanted pass at former 0lympic rower and conservative activist alex story. And tory mps daniel poulter, Stephen Crabb and Daniel Kawczynski have been referred to the conservative Party Disciplinary committee after allegations about their conduct. Daniel poulter and Daniel Kawzynski both deny any wrongdoing. Stephen crabb admit saying some pretty outrageous things to a woman after interviewing herfor a job. Kelvin hopkins was suspended from the Labour Party Last week and an investigation launched after claims he hugged a young activist and rubbed himself against her. He denies any wrongdoing. Another labour mp, clive lewis, is accused of groping a woman at labour conference in september. Claims he strenously denies. And Labour Welsh Assembly member Carl Sargeant quit as secretary for communities and children in the Welsh Government after allegations about his conduct. He has urged a full inquiry to clear his name. The snp have also seen childcare and early years minister Mark Mcdonald quit over previous actions which he described as inappropriate. The party are investigating. We can talk now to political journalist, jane merrick. She reported to downing street an allegation that Michael Fallon lunged at her and tried to forcibly kiss herjust hours before the defence secretary left his post. This is her first tv interview. Also with us in his first tv interview is 0lympic rower, alex story, who claims the tory whip chris pincher made sexual advance towards him when he was a conservative activist in 2001. That was before mr pincher was an mp. Good morning both of you. Jane, first of all, i would like to ask you about our story today that a woman reported an alleged rape to the house of commons clerk and says effectively, Nothing Happened. She was in the end completely ignored. How do you react to that . Listening to her story, it is incredibly harrowing actually and i think what this shows is that the debate all along hasnt been a witch hunt. It hasnt been about trivial allegations. There have been serious things that have happened regarding Political Parties and i think what her case shows is that people need to have the confidence to come forward. She didnt, tried to make a complaint and it wasnt dealt with andi complaint and it wasnt dealt with and i think there is a fear that victims, if they dont have an independent grievance procedure, they are not going to be listened because there is party loyalty, or will sometimes trump these issues. You revealed in a newspaper article you wrote yesterday that it was Michael Fallon who directly lunged at your lips, as you put it, a few had lunch with him in 2003. You referenced that incident before but you have only just referenced that incident before but you have onlyjust now named him. Why did you make that decision . M was 14 years ago, so when i started talking about my experience, i did it in the context of this story, to say, this is what its like to be sexually harassed by somebody, this is what its like to be in parliament and work there. I wanted to add to the debate and encourage people to talk about it. That was last weekend. 0ver people to talk about it. That was last weekend. Over the next few days the debate seems to be shifting towards the trivial things that were going on. I knew my situation, i became aware of other allegations involving Michael Fallon. I thought i should report my experience to downing street, not to go public, because i did not want the scrutiny at the time, but to report my experience. That led to his resignation, being sacked, being allowed to resign on wednesday night . I can only talk about my experience but i was aware there we re experience but i was aware there were other allegations, but i couldnt report them. In terms of naming him yesterday, several days after he resigned, why was that . still feared that when i spoke to downing street i wanted anonymity because i feared the backlash, people would say, this was 14 years ago, why are you doing it now . There would be criticism that somehow it wasnt serious. I admit it was that the less serious end of the spectrum, but it still made me feel like the power dynamic between us had changed. But since wednesday, it seems that although he had taken account for his action, he didnt apologise and tried to suggest this sort of thing was acceptable ten or 15 years ago. I wanted him to know that it wasnt. And also the debate was still being trivialised, it was around the banter towards Andrea Leadsom. It felt right that it was the time to speak out and say it was him who had lunged at me. By revealing his name, you wrote that you are taking back control. How does it feel to take back control question . I will not say it feels good, because this whole story is not something to feel good about. But when i wrote my piece i didnt think about me as a 43 year old, i thought about me as a 29 year old and what i should have done. And if there were any other women who had been harassed by other mp5 who were 29 or younger, how would they feel and what would they want me to do . I wa nted and what would they want me to do . I wanted to do them justice, notjust myself. I felt i was taking back control, yes, but i felt i was doing it for other women who felt they couldnt come forward. I was heartfelt about my experience and talking about it, but i know other women out there who have contacted me about other politicians and people in other parties who do not wa nt to people in other parties who do not want to come forward. It was about redressing the balance, notjust with me and Michael Fallon, but the people who are harassed, and what they need to do and how the debate needs to be about them, and is not about claims of a witchhunt, because thats not what it is about. Do you wa nt thats not what it is about. Do you wantan thats not what it is about. Do you want an apology from Michael Fallon . Im not demanding an apology. He has resigned and he has accepted over the weekend that it was not a cce pta ble the weekend that it was not acceptable back then. Im not demanding it, but it would be nice for him to apologise, but im not going to demand it. What reaction have you had since you wrote your piece yesterday . It has been overwhelmingly positive. I put on twitter yesterday, people said it was a long time ago, and i accept that, but the reason i came forward was because of the other situations. But it has been overwhelmingly positive and i am glad i have done it. Alex, good morning. Tell the audience what happened to you in 2001 involving chris pincher, not a conservative mp at that stage. We had gone canvassing, telephone canvassing. After the session was over we went to a local pub and after perhaps two drinks, nothing more, he said to me in this very bob tway, he said what about din dins, alex. He said to me in this very odd way. It was strange, but i have experienced more odd things in my life. We drove very far south, further than i expected. And then he said, lets go to my flat. We got to his flat, he poured me a drink, and within a few minutes i felt him tugging at my shirt, taking it out of my trousers. Giving me a back massage which i hadnt asked for. And him whispering in my ear, you will go far in the conservative party. As i said in my piece, i stood up and jokingly said, it is perhaps better if we stay friends. At that stage he went into his bathroom and said he wanted to slip into something more comfortable, which he obviously did, but what was comfortable for him was slightly more uncomfortable for me. Sol comfortable for him was slightly more uncomfortable for me. So i made my apologies and left. He came out of the bathroom wearing a dressing down . Is that correct . A bathrobe . It was. Was it an abuse of power . At the time i didnt think about it that way. Ijust thought it was something that happened to people like me, who have a string of amusing incidents. In those days, thats what i thought it was. But the thing that triggered something in me is the list of questionable activity that was distributed, the fa ct activity that was distributed, the fact i am now a father with four children, and remembering that my sister was outraged at the time, and she kept telling me i ought to have done something. I hate to admit it, but my sister was right, and i should have said something about it, because somebody who is not six foot eight and hasnt trained all his life, might find themselves more vulnerable to this type of situation than me. I just vulnerable to this type of situation than me. Ijust used the story, which i then retold many times to friends and family. It provided some sort of entertainment, but those people who are much more vulnerable never found it amusing. People who are much more vulnerable neverfound it amusing. I people who are much more vulnerable never found it amusing. I think its about right. When i saw this list i thought to myself, im getting tired ofan thought to myself, im getting tired of an established organisation, that has become so narcissistic that it cant think beyond its own feelings and what it does to each other. Its the sense of being really sick and tired of the kind of activities that most of us find quite repulsive, actually. Thank you to alex. A downing street spokesman has said chris pincher has voluntarily stood down from the whips office and referred himself to the parliamentary complaints procedure and the police. He has said, i can only apologise to alex. Is this a Tipping Point in our country . M feels like it. I think the speed at which theresa may acted in my case, and she has taught today about respect. The culture of respect is a key thing. All i wanted in my lunch with Michael Fallon was respect, to be treated as a professional journalist. I think he would feel the same way. It is very difficult to challenge something as powerful as politicians and the political establishment. I think this is probably. I hope there will be a shift in attitudes. Thank you for talking to us. Still to come. The child rens commissioner tells this programme its vital that theres more Mental Health support for children who grow up in care. The childrens commissioner has told this programme that there should be a presumption that children in care should receive support for their Mental Health. Almost half of those in the care system have a diagnosable Mental Health disorder with looked after children are four times more likely than their non looked after peers to have a Mental Health condition. So why isnt there enough support out there . Anne longfield says that the care system has been too focused on child safeguarding in the past and not enough on helping children recover from traumatic upbringings. Weve been speaking to a care leaver called callum, who told us about his own Mental Health issues and the difficulties he found in getting help. A warning this film contains references to self harm and suicide from the start. Just imagine youre sat in a pitch dark room, with no one there, curled up in the corner, crying to yourself. All it is, is you and a razor blade. Thats the only thing you can use to get your anger out. Me and my brothers ended up in care. It felt like no one was there, and no one cared. I cried myself to sleep every single night. My self harm got really bad. At one point i had a cut from the hip down to my kneecap. My dad was an alcoholic. He passed away the 20th of october 2008. He was like my superhero, you know what i mean . I could go to him for absolutely anything. When he passed away, it hurt me and my brothers. And it didnt help that then we got taken into care, and then it got a lot worse because you think, oh, now ive lost my mum and my dad. You know, even though my mums still here, you feel like youve lost both. I was 13, just turning 14. So i was still young and i was still, you know, an emotional kid who was still trying to get over dad. Everything got on top of me. It felt like no one were there and no one cared. You know, no one wanted to be your friend, no one wanted to love you. It felt like my mum just gave up on me. I started getting bullied. Some people knew about my dad passing away and they would say horrible jokes. Crying myself to sleep every single night. Didnt know what to do. And then i kicked off with my Foster Carers. Thats when i got moved to the care home. And thats when i started self harming and stuff. I did a few cuts on my arm and i did it all over my legs. I just, you know. They say it takes the pain away. It only took the pain away for that moment, and then it was back. My self harm got really bad. At one point i had a cut from the hip down to my kneecap. I tried to take my own life. I went to go hang myself. My carer stormed through my door, cut me down and pinned me down to the floor and said, you know, mate, youre worth more than this. I understand what youre going through, but you can do better than this. Youre going to make it far in life. Why it was difficult to get support, at first, i didnt really know how to get it. I was very closed in on myself as well, so i didnt really want many people to know. Then i started getting a bit of help with it. I got a bit of counselling. Sometimes you had a good counsellor, then you had the bad counsellor. The good counsellors were generally, here you are, callum, we understand what youre going through. But then next time i could have someone completely different and theyre, like, you know, they dont know whats going on in my life. All theyve done is read a piece of paper. If i could go back there today, id say to them that i want one set worker for me. I dont want to see one person one week and then see another person the other week. In the care system, when youre in a care home, it sounds bad, when you turn 18 youve got no choice. Youre out. You know, you go into your own place. So, youve got the worries about all your benefits going through, all council taxes, tv licences. You know, making sure you can run your house properly, paying your rent. The worlds scary. There definitely should be more support with Mental Health. Because there are quite a few kids, or young people out there, who are struggling with it. Respect. Good girl. Now, you know, im in a happy place. Ive got my own house. Ive got a beautiful daughter, ive got a beautiful fiancee. Im having a generally happy life. If i didnt meet my girlfriend, id be getting in trouble with the police or it sounds even worse dead. Even though barnardos did help, they didnt give me the love i really wanted, even though they give you the love, it was more like a friendship love. What my girlfriend gave me is love. You know . Ive got a family now and the family, thats all ive ever wanted, a family. Give daddy kisses. I love you. And if youve been affected by any of the issues raised in that film you can contact our action line bbc. Co. Uk actionline. We can speak now to anne longfield, the childrens commissioner. John simmonds, whose a qualified social worker and a director at the fostering and Adoption Agency coram baaf, and sylvia shroer, from adopters together, a peer supported campaigning initiative for adopters and special guardians. Tell us about the scale of the problem . We have got about 70,000 children in the care system at any one time and at least 60 have Mental Health issues. They have had the greatest traumas any of us could think of before they enter care and whilst there is assessments around health and assessments around health and billion being so many children not only say they struggle to get help, but come out of it saying, look, what we want is kindness and love and people to believe in us. So what id like to see is a much greater emphasis on helping children recover. We have had a fantastic example there of callum really genuine, fantastic young man with his whole life ahead of him. That can be for every child in care, but they need help to get there. Some of they need help to get there. Some of the recommendations from the report thatis the recommendations from the report that is produced on this today is this idea of a virtual Mental Health lead. So one Single Person with oversight for Mental Health in every area responsible for each child . More help and support for foster ca re rs more help and support for Foster Carers to deal with Mental Health issues and complex issues with children. This has come from the department of health and the department of health and the department for education together and it comes ahead of a green paper. So, ithink and it comes ahead of a green paper. So, i think there is much in there that could be acted on. John, hello. Hello. Specific challenges for social workers when it comes to looking after children in care. And their Mental Health . Yes. I mean i think one of the things that stands out really, looked after children we are talking about newborns, and we are talking about newborns, and we are talking about 18 year olds so this is a big span. 0ne are talking about 18 year olds so this is a big span. One of the things that came through in callums discussion about his experiences, family life and relationships are co re family life and relationships are core to who we are and i suppose one of the big issues for me when we come to talk about Mental Health is that generally we are talking about relationships that have gone wrong, relationships that have gone wrong, relationships which cause anxiety, a relationships which cause anxiety, a relationship where there is abuse and neglect and the family life that is on the edge. And for many, children that come into care, its a family life thats broken. It is right that we should focus on issues of emotional and behavioural and Mental Health, but i think the thing that we cant ignore is for all of us, our that we cant ignore is for all of us, our sense that we cant ignore is for all of us, oursense of that we cant ignore is for all of us, our sense of belonging and our sense of stability and security come from a loving family life. So where a family life has been broken down, has broken down, which is at the ce ntre has broken down, which is at the centre of what happens for children when they become looked after, the issue is how do we rebuild something either in the childs original family or in foster care or in adoption, in whatever the legal order that frames that childs new experience. But it is family life and relationships that are at the ce ntre and relationships that are at the centre of that and i thought that that came across so strongly in callums view about his fiancee and his baby. He was creating a family life for his child and there couldnt be a more central issue for all looked after children about their experiences of family life and loving relationships. Sylvia, what are the kind of issues that the parents in your group are facing when it comes to looking after children andle Mental Health problems . The Biggest Issue that we have sadly is blame. We parent the, in terms of the 70,000 children in the care system, what the report in 2014 found that adoptive parents, pa re nt 2014 found that adoptive parents, parent the most severely traumatised and abused children so we are at the extreme end of the Mental Health problems and we have a problem at the moment which is that we, in the system, its very child focussed and when the attention is focussed on the child, its not on the family as a whole. We are in effect the intervention. We are the policy intervention, but what happens is that when we ask for help, intervention comes between us and our children. And that has to change and blame has to go. So whilst this isa very and blame has to go. So whilst this is a very positive move of the virtual Mental Health lead, we feel that it needs to go further because that it needs to go further because that person could actually do harm if they did not have an awareness of adoption issues and we are calling foran adoption issues and we are calling for an adoption guardian to be attached to every single adoptive child in the care system who will go to meetings, and who will support the family, the family. Love, belonging, and permanence. The family, the family. Love, belonging, and permanencem the family, the family. Love, belonging, and permanence. It sounds incredible and im going to say, but that will cost money. Let me tell you what the government says. Are you what the government says. Are you saying, no, it wont cost anything. It need not cost a lot of money. The money will come from the bbc did a survey recently where they found that of the 3,000 people that responded a quarter of them said that their children were going to re entercare. It is that their children were going to re enter care. It is termed a disruption which is a misleading term and that, each of those children is likely to cost £1 million. Thats £750 million. This is money well spent. This is money saved. We asked for an interview and we didnt get one. It is vital that children in care and those who look after them receive the Mental Health support they need. Able to shine a light on the issues they face. We are putting a record £1. 4 billion into children and young peoples Mental Health but there is more to be done and we will now consider the report with a view to taking further action. Lleyton says there is a huge deficit in the way we deal with huge peoples emotional issues. We penalise self harm, but there is no consistent good quality counselling and so your idea would make a difference for many young people. Do you worry about the fact that it would, having this, virtual Mental Health tsar is going to come down to resources in the end . Well, i mean, as you said actually its investing now to save later. If we can get children to the point where theyre confident, theyre actually able to either go back to their own family or actually move into their adult life, confidently because thats also the transition to adulthood is the point where a lot of children fall off Mental Health support. Then it will be easier on the public purse. So it is investing early to save later, but one of the big issues children tell me about is stability, is permanence and is that feeling of belonging. So it has to be absolutely at the centre of the ca re be absolutely at the centre of the care experience. Ok, thank you all. Thank you very much for coming on the programme. Thank you. Its being called the biggest strictly shock ever. One of the early favourites to win the show, Aston Merrygold has been sent home afterjudge Shirley Ballas had the final, casting vote, following a dance off with mollie king. Dancing the viennese waltz Aston Merrygold and Janette Manrara. Music whos loving you by the jackson 5. The scores are in. The judges have their scores, Craig Revel Horwood. 4. Darcey bussell. 7. Shirley ballas. 7. And bruno tonioli. 7. A4 . You have never had a 4. Aston and janette. The rest of have you to wait a little longer to find out your fate. Aston and janette, please come and join me. Well again, a very difficult choice, two fantastic couples. Very difficult to do, but on technical accuracy, beautiful flow and full engagement during the dance, im saving mollie and aj. That means were going to have to say goodbye to aston and janette. Please come and join me. Have you enjoyed the strictly experience . Ive, honestly, every second. Every second of this. Ive had friends that have done this show before and theyve gone youre going to have the most amount of fun from start to finish. Honestly, they werent lying. From this lady to every Single Person in here, you four guys, yourself, claudia, all of you amazing lot up here that i get to see and spend so much time with and learn from and made some amazing friends. I honestly i have had the best time. It has been amazing. Lets talk to former strictly professional dancer, robin windsor. How shocked were you . professional dancer, robin windsor. How shocked were you . I was shocked. We were expecting aston to be one of the finalists. This is an entertainment show and anything can happen as was proved last night. There are cross viewers though. I moon seriously. Julie e mailed, she is cross with me. She says i was patronising about it earlier, but she says it was the wrong result. When i say i wont be watching again, i wont. I think what you have got to remember, so many people have got to remember, so many people have an opinion about it this morning, but about 90 of the people didnt pick up the phone and vote for aston, it is one of those things, who is to blame . The public . Craig . Shirley . The routine, the production . So many elements go into it and sadly aston got a dance that wasnt suited to him. What did shirley mean when she said, full engagement in the dance when you compare mollie and aston, mollie performed better and more eloquently for a foxtrot, whereas astons dance was more contemporary. But thats not his fault. Are you saying if he had a tux on and janette wearing a beautiful sequinned dress it would have been all right . beautiful sequinned dress it would have been all right . I dont think it would have made a difference. The judges should bejudging on it would have made a difference. The judges should be judging on the dance off and now how the dances have been throughout the series. 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I proceed and ijust did what i thought was the right thing. I proceed and ijust did what i thought was the right thing. Sexual harassment at westminster theresa may says its time to act decisively to end the abuse of power. We need to establish a new culture of respect at the centre of public life, one in which