Career. And when a military Ethics Council discharged it, after which he spent time in exile in jordan. Upon returning provo significantly reformed image the what was the president ial candidates twice before and has served as the minister of defense under the outgoing president . Since 2019 and this addition of talk to while shes here, we take you to a ranch just outside the invitation capital home to president , alexis bravo. As he has to take the reins of power, join us to explore the complexity. This is cost promises of his presence and the hope for his future and the future of this vibrant and size of the nation. The president , alexis, indonesia cover. Talk to the city until president elect entities are thank you for talking to him to 0. And on the side, but the data and i get that done by federal lets begin with talking about the election of a landslide victory for you. Almost 60 percent of the votes victory in 30 out of 32. 00 provinces. Certainly results that any candidate would have been happy with. What made the difference this time because you phone for president before twice. Why do you think your message appeal to vote is this you . I think the combination of factors may be uh, precisely because as i ran twice before, i think of my message, my, another, this my, my principals rich people. And this time, of course i have to say that i felt that i basically uh became part of the income, but the so i think that also was a great factor. Thats something that many observers have talked about and theyve called it this decal way, affect the effect of your perceived closeness with the president and how that may have boosted your chances. What do you make of that . Well, if you know the pressure, then youre going to do it has to what now . 80 to 83 percent favorable rating in the Public Opinion polls. And of course the people felt his commitment to bring a better man for the people, the conditions, especially the poor. So yes, i think i did that locally affect uh, really helped me also use or have run against president ial go we twice. You were political rivals, was there a genuine change of mind on your part to that allows you to work more closely with him. You know, uh, traditionally in, in region politics the, we never want us to make sure that the, his rifle doesnt ever really emerge. Right. But this time he, i think he, he understood that i was committed to the betterment of the english depot, especially the poor. And i think basically which i found out later he did. He does have the same values as i do. What are those values . I think the value as a, as a sudden of lanesha, we want our people to lift a dignified life and poverty is not dignified. An independent country. The people nice live with the basics. You know, you cannot live in poverty. Well talk about poverty in a moment. Yeah. You mentioned sons of indonesia, and of course one son who has really been in focus during this whole campaign is youre running meat. You prolonged i could bring reca if the countries and ex spice president a controversial pick. Certainly in the early stages of the campaign, what does he bring to the table apart from being president ial . Could we go to some that if we cannot take the fact that he was suddenly present jokingly as not that important factor . By geography has 82 percent favorable rating. Right. Is there a quality that a new Vice President will bring to the job . Perhaps his use might be a positive factor . I think thats also very important factor. As you know. Uh, i think its more than 52 percent of our voters are young just more than 63000000 between 17 and 30 right in a 3 candidate race. What was the main challenge in getting your message across to those young voters . I think i had the advantage because you know, the young and they are more concerned about jobs because this their future their concerns were indication theyre concerned about the jobs that concerned about people opportunities. So would you dispute, perhaps there were some criticisms of your campaign that there were, there was some gimmicks with the, the cartoons and the dances that it actually wasnt about that it was about the substance that appealed to young po, you know, the mix of gimmicks right . I mean, you can have a good mix and the flower, right . You can dance all you want and see, you become a buffering or you become a 1st i think theres the message and the young in this age of social media, the information revolution, you know, do they get on very fast . And i think one single buddy, i can do the c d c a very fast, who is genuine and who is that to me. So i think i got the advantage there because you know, the promises of your potential policies rather than the style of the campaign. Yeah. Not only problem is this. The problem is this makes sense. Im not. Right. Mm promise. This makes sense. Promises solve problems. Im not, i think, i think thats there. This was also a criticism made during Campaign Season before election day. That perhaps your, your team had an unfair advantage by means of support from the states by means of potential misuse of social 8. That was something that your opponents repeated, but also some Civil Society organizations. Does that affect how you perceive the victory in any way at all . Well, you know, acquisitions are easily made, but is when the scrutiny is done correctly intensively. I mean, if you will find out that those, that cost agents are very, very uh, empty and very uh, i would say very selfish acquisitions to deny there was any conversation about this yourself social aid during Campaign Season social a. This the, in our budget. Yes. For many, many years. Right . It was appropriate all parties environment for work. And then can you imagine how much this 8 social assistance, right . By the way, in outside of nature, we have a Large Community of innovations living abroad, moneisha, hong kong, singapore, the middle east. And i one by 63 percent and there was not one social assistance package said i wouldnt waste 63 percent. Right. And all of this socialist is or given an ard provinces. And i last thing told me the would you be looking to work with the people who oppose to win the election . I am willing to work with anybody for the country. Lets talk about some of the policies that we can expect. And one of the key projects initiated by president ial window is this new Capital Project in east coming on . Does this project have your full 100 percent support . This idea of moving the capital was actually for many, many years since the, from the, our 1st breath of the residents are cardinal. And theres always this move that this capital. It shouldnt be more central station. And also that we have problems actually and just got your got those i think a ready way beyond the the capacity of the area to, to support a population of 2025 1000000 people. We have to invest more to say for decades. But how do you address the concerns about how this project may affect the indigenous communities . There are some n g os that estimate some 20000 Indigenous People may have to be relocated to make way for infrastructure, for the capital. What can be done for them . The interest, the security and the future of all the interest people, our highest priority in my in my view, we have to protect them. We have to secure their livelihood. And we have to do a lot of planning and research that we do not displace to many people. And if you do, we must compensate and we have to get in the there will be because this is a theme that comes up not only in terms of the new capital, but whenever there are Major Development projects. For example, the modeling a circuit logbook, there are indigenous communities who feel they dont receive the benefits of these major infrastructure. Yeah, i would like to repeat that in my, in my life, in my commitment that i will defend the, the incidence of my people. Indigenous people, including really we will, we will defend that my, my, my stronger support are from, from those 4 weeks. Youve proposed many strategies to help low income households in particular, but a key promise made during the campaign. And in fact, the one that was all over the post is in the lead up to the election. Was this Free Lunch Program for School Children . Some more than 18000000 people will receive this free lunch and free meals. What is the reason that the problem actually like yeah, i think Premium Program is is very urgent. And is we have to take our didnt measures and the children of indonesia are our future. I think this is face to digit for the future of indonesia. The cost has been raised as a potential barrier that in the 1st year this could cost perhaps 70000000000. 00. I understand the government is already looking at how, how to fund this program, but to you, thats not a concern. To me, thats not a concern. Ive studied the problems. I studied where we can save and wherever we can relocate. Im very, im very convinced. The name of this project is to improve the quality of education that invitation children receive. What do you see as the main not only go to a group in to, to, to help them in their health, in the fit. You know, this fun thing over in the nation. Children is very, i would say very sad to me. So this program is the intersection of health education. A variety of ames, but one thats a revival of the future if you need me. You know, you have thought to buy that projects already 3 months. The fact that not many but we started in issue known each other. We started instantly, mind them, and everybody reports after 2 or 3 months, the children are more likely. Attendance rate increase as you know, nowadays they know when they come to school this, theres lunch or theres a meal. So we are very optimistic, but lets take a look at the situation in Eastern Indonesia in pop. What we have seen incidents of torture human rights abuses carried out by Security Forces against indigenous populations. There was a recent incident where a man was put in a barrel and tortured by security personnel. When you see those incidents, what is your reaction . You know, were the 4th Largest Properties in the world. We are the size of you. Ready right, we have many incidents. Im sure the violations. But if you compare whats happening in many parts of the world, you know, im not defending it. We will take, we have taken, i think our, our recording, we have taken a majors to punish our Security Forces. Whoever violated, but if you compare with the size of an issue, it was the size of the population. Yes, it in seems really concentrated though in, in pop, where rather than throughout the country. How do you know that . Have you been there . What did you go there . Well, its very difficult actually for, for kids who to enter pop, what it book. But boys, if, and im going to be sending all incidents, we will uh, deal with seriously. But you know, your question a bit, one side, the why dont you open the youtube or the generals of, of these so called a Independence Movement on that channel. You can see how they mislead their own people. So would that be ensuring the security of the situation in papa . How can that be done . Well, its really just not really, but we would insure security over the nation. Right. And our approach is always to negotiate. You know, a lease a better is sort of the fact that when people who a tech schools were in uh, dealership area and utah. But one incident, yes. Do you know that they killed the workers on the road . Yes. I know that there are, but you didnt have to, but how, how many workers to go on im submitting. Were coming to work at the killed 234. There. Havent many of those that and many of the use of really the credit. Oh, thanks of there is a big the uh, what do you call it, the hostage, which they have not read and on for the in civilian. Right. Yes. Where is the indignation from . From the g o is from the Foreign Press . No. I think perhaps the indignation is, is for both sides just for, for people to, to live safely. Mister president liked and pro yeah, we will secure the safety of our people didnt me, the fucking civilians, many, many fires. And then you guys dont report that. Well. Well, we tried to report the, the full story, which is yeah, they, they propagated. There is a perception from some human Rights Groups in indonesia that perhaps what the situation needs is less militarization if our National Data 3, we are not guided by. So and yours, we will be guided by our initial end of this. There was a, a, an earlier thats not a commitment, but as of the, as Something Like a promise that the general we administration would allow some of servers from the un twins or pop. What to take a look at the situation, but that is, it did not happen to see that is something that that should happen so that perhaps there can be fewer questions about what is going on. I will study the situation. I will study distribution and routes of visit could take place under your administration. I was funny the situation, but as i said, we will think about our national interest. Indonesia is one of the largest democracies in the world, and we just had a very spirited, lively election campaign. And it was quite, you know, its quite wonderful to see how i was generally smoothly. Everything goes in a country of this size. How do we ensure that the democratic freedoms often to nations are protected . The democrats system is the interest of the nation. People, right . The innovation, people want a democratic system, political power, comfortable people. We go, we rule, weve government always the content of the people. And this is all the people who decide, right, were not going to be determined by 4 and not at this rate for the in interpretation north what democracy should look like. Do you think that those interpretations, when there are these reports that say theres a democratic backsliding . Any denisia . Is that a misinterpretation from your perspective . Of course. Whats next lady . What does ally do . We have how many, how many years of peaceful transfer of of government, of how many governors have been changed . How many district. But these are being changed. We have a living and vibrant democracy. Are we satisfied . No. Its the corruption. Yes. Thats our problem and we have to deal with it then. Okay. If im actually democracy is firing. What is the only is the best system . What is the alternative . Why do i get involved in for gender elections . What have you learned from taking part in all those elections is strenuous expiring. But yeah, thats what the people want. People want a choice. But i do believe that democracy is in danger and everywhere, but especially in research in danger, because off uh because of corruption. Because of the constriction of wealth, there is a segment of the population mister president liked that, has expressed some concerns on the basis of not your time is defense minister, but youre past in the military that they have concerns about about that and accountability. How would you ensure that they also feel that you are a president for them to talk about . And of course, the people have decided to stop what concepts you know, in every election they will try to look for this weakness and that to be can this and this and that, and i was a general, im a proud general i. So my people for my cousin, 3 irish, my wife or my people, ive been a few so, so what he thinks is called the immunization. Mm hm. So that is called character assassination. Is part of the tools of politics. So right. I have faced that i wish that acquisition so completely the insulting and ready falls, but just thats the name of the game for the people who, who didnt vote for you, what would your message be to them . I told them that they will see me. I am a man of my word i will prove to them. Right. And if you was, if you study the social media, many of them have realized so democracy, elections. There would be uh, hard thought there would be harsh criticism, this part of the democracy. Fine. But in the end i. Ready i feel the mandate, i will work for my people. Even those who do not vote for me, i will. I will defend them. Lets move on to Foreign Policy in indonesia has a long history of a non aligned charting, a middle part. I believe one of the Founding Fathers referred to it as growing between 2 rates. How much of a priority is this for you . I, i said many times that this out tradition, this all history that we do not want to belong to any blocks. We do want to belong especially minute 3 alliances are guiding philosophy is to be friends with all countries in one particular situation that is significant for the region, the south china sea. Do you see that indonesia could perhaps help with diffusing tensions in the region over that matter . I think we can try and we would like try. I dont, and we have tried, but we also have shown that by diplomacy, by negotiations, what i call the asian way, you know, uh, i think we have diffused lot of situation. I was at the shangri la dialogue, anything for that year that you gave us each about the asian way. Can you explain what that what that means . Aisha association. We have experienced a lot of fun and interference in the past several 100 years. Right. I always say we never went through europe, but the repeats came to us. They basically color nice eyes. They their fear in our internal politics for hundreds of years in india, in the kingdom of bird my in, in north china. My yeah. In china try now is invaded also in the last 2 or 3400 years. Right . So we experience that we have this and so for instance, such as a show we were, we have a horse and horse at a ship 50. Thats a goal. 60, i mean theyre not in any show whats in conflict with melisha. We singapore. But we solve that with out for an interference results we met. And that is the, the asian way, i think. So in this current geo Political Climate where we see the us and china competing for influence all over the world but, but also in southeast asia, how does indonesia manage that situation of as you say, being friends with everyone. And in this case, the us and with china, because they are very open you know, weve, weve got my say we, we, we respect you, we are grateful to you for your vice assistance. And we welcome you. Please, to come in through the shop. Take part in already economic development. We invite the americans continuously. We divide the japanese, the koreans very strong here. Theyve invested here. We are open to them. Do you know the answer . We invite the chinese revit and you were recently in china. Yes, i was in china, i was in japan, i was you melisha. You see so uh, we have very open and we 1000 police. You know, by the fact that we have friends with you does not mean that we cannot be friends with china. With india, russia, indonesia is in quite a unique position in that, in that we are unique and i think thats our strengths. Do you think there is potential for an engineers or to play a role perhaps in defusing some of that tension between the us and china, or do you see that situation is already being quite manageable . Well, if there are ways that we can be useful, we want to be useful if there are ways to become useful. We want to be so. But i think the fact that we, we have to give the example and we have to get to the, the initiative that we have to convince all sides that you know, the world is getting smaller and prosperity of our people needs peace. There can be, no prosperity was our piece, you know, in this position of being able to shape indonesia for this next period. How would you describe your vision for what you would like to achieve in these next few years . I am very clear. I just want to do my best to safeguard our resources to bring it down on the the betterment to my people to alleviate poverty and hunger. That is my top priority. Sometimes we hear precedent juggle, widowed, or described as president of infrastructure, who built so much around the country. How would you see that you would like to be described at the end of that turn . I would like to be described as the one who bring vision to the most weak the most for and then were suffering probably city until president elect of indonesia. 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