Hello and welcome to the program. And the focus for you is israel and took a has been crucial training pond as it was a commercial relationship with 87000000000. 00 a year. But these are all one gossip changed all about. The tuckers government has been demanding a hold to the violence, this code, at least 35000 palestinians. An anchor has condemned israels decision to block its aid meant for gauze at last month. President measured time or the one has now announced a truthful trade ban until israel agrees to cease 5. But hows he acted on the domestic pressure after set back in local elections was partly blamed while the country continuing to do business with this route. And how will this affect the economies of both sides . Well get to wont get shortly. But 1st the support from culture lopez party. Yeah. A lot of the onto your delivery, the old, the ties between israel and through key. You have hit a new low, the turkish government has suspended all imports and exports transactions with israel and protests against the war and goes up to my 2 side. Its all this. All of the west is working for israel. Medical starting with america that were working for israel. All these means of being mobilized, unfortunately, to get them distaste, palestinians to death in the face of israels bomb. This is really turkish trade was worth 7000000000 dollars last year, playing a significant role for local businesses. Top turkish exports to israel include steel vehicles, plastics, electrical devices and machinery goodness in it took in in do need to trade, hold against israel, including imports and exports. Will continue until a permanency expiring guys secured, as well as the unhindered flow of humanitarian aid into the region. She qualified for free will by default. Israels foreign minister criticized the suspension, accusing the turkish president of acting like a dictator. Ties between the 2 sides had been progressively deteriorating. Last month, israel denied turkish efforts to send a to gauze up, or take part in air drops. Then turkish officials, band exports of steel fertilizer and jet fuel to israel before issuing a total trade band. President are the one method, political leader of hum us whose milk and media and is stumble last month to discuss the situation and gaza domestically. The president had been facing criticism for maintaining commercial ties with israel after the war. That may have been a factor in the poor showing of the president s governing a key party in local elections in march. To key is the 1st of israels trading partners to hold all important exports in response to the war and casa, now some in israel and elsewhere are questioning whether it will be the last katia a little bit. So the, again, ill just sarah, for insights, story the okay, well that spring, i guess now this time, bulls eye by sun political analyst and the system professor. It didnt Housing University and tell of eve, gideon levy also and columnist the hearts newspaper and in vienna. Flooded may a vonner chief economist of the International Think tank a globe. Second, we welcome to each of you. Thank you very much for your time. Give you and i wonder if i can stop with you. What does it mean for the 1st muslim majority country to recognize the state of israel back in 1949 to now take this step of halting trade ties with israel. It has all kinds of meaning and proceed can build so beginning goal for attendance, see which way they carry more states, not only most of them ones but the whole, but at this moment they sold books and it should be more realistic that say they really that theres a ceasefire, we can get you burning. Sure. And then even as one says this band wouldnt be canceled, in any case was shown is on the is the may the step because it hasnt been the economic kind of cultural oriented and social and even military consequences. And i guess when talking about them lakes or yeah, certainly we will get onto the political and Economic Impacts of all of his decision. But maybe this isnt the 1st time took care of cub. Diplomatic ties with israel is right back in 2010. A comp time is off to 10. Turkish aid workers were killed as a try to make their way through the is there any maritime blockades of gone so they were killed by its ready . Come on those relations though were restored in 2016 and i have the since then being multiple tit for tat expulsions. How long do we expect this latest move by took a to last a while, you mean to one . The flotilla has been attacked. Indeed, the national walters intimated training and it was done with the high spot. We can see that the Ministry Corporation as well as economic continue doing those so called band or cutting relations with this device. It was on the diplomatic and people intricacies because of a quote, symbolic, but now it has to be officially announced in turkey. The called the old trades on business and commerce ties was easily is far more serious. And it s as expected, received quite mixed reactions in turkey. So its the same. So look, 1st of all on present it on the expected. And therefore you have quite a lot of different views on this. Is there a degree of concern then were given the israeli a response to this move. They say the truck is businesses will be affected. Is there any concern at this move may be harmful domestically was just concerns also on the table, but 1st, the full, the mold in talk is the we are willing to bad old consequences. All International Consequences because this is not acceptable. So far, official numbers exceed in, so its 5000 people got killed in goza and still continue. So there is no prospect of in stopping the whole thing. Got International Comments do and then think about it. So therefore, the more convenient to judge community is, what is the we bear the caustic ones this, but it seems also, it wasnt an easy decision and on color. And it wasnt like a southern decision, im sure 4 weeks uh they were kind of really spell doing old old details of this app to so bad the consequences of letting it can be to economy handle it. Do you think . Lets talk about the question of economic into dependence between is relevant to key because as we mentioned in the introduction, that was 7000000000 dollars in trade between the countries law cns, according to official figures, is where i was took years, 13 biggest export market last ca well, tech area was israels 5th, the biggest source of inputs. Theres an awful lot of state care, a lot of areas there. I would not under play the importance of this decision. Market economies like to say that the way up, its usually through the stairs. But the way down is to buy an elevator, and i would like to emphasize that this decision, this part of the economy warfare, because thats what the embargo is, has came after all over to the case of where a gradual build up often they truly kind of make a change of ration starting through the duties of 9697 on uh, 981 to the trade between the 2 Countries Fund from negligible to as mentioned to okay now stands as the 5th or 6th biggest export the territory. Oh, as i mentioned, the trade embargo is part of the economy for, for isnt a fort worth, which in itself implies that the countries or, or the country declaring embargo, feels advisory tools, the country against which dan burglar has been declared. And as it happens and waterford both on both sides tend to lose. So took 8 steps to. Ready as an excess of 5 good in off export revenues on the other side, they sell cents total surround o 2000000000. 00 and export avenue to turkey. Most the biggest category is certainly exports to, to, to, is to, but shortly find petroleum products. Okay, to side to key. Biggest the export items into a trial are roll. Iron keels as it stands, the immediate impact. I wouldnt be careful about charging, they need it impact because we have seen it also with the recent examples of the trade embargoes. Right. So the question as to what extent to both bodies will be. Ready will to 2nd one, this obstacles through the set contra trade. Right. So size will like sports or a techie to israel of i am still jet fuel pesticides and Construction Equipment may be surely took care of wouldnt have made this decision if it couldnt handle this. I agree, i fully agree. I think i the im sorry, the question to me. I fully agree with you on the im sure, as i said that im called before and it wasnt an easy decision and we know that youre going behind the curtains. A lot of sports has been spent just to stop this blood shit on genocide and does that, but this seems its not going anywhere. Then of course we cannot neglect. Oh, so it goes into some comments. Here it is. Dark is the domestic pressure, especially the results of the local elections, but never did this. You know, the president out of the, im have read a personally for, for, for decades. Always a kind of a tried to help because it was a little part of student calls for a 2 state solution out of the peaceful solution so that im sure how it also impact on this decision. Right, well lets pass this over to get in because im how much of this will hurt israel economically and politically. Obviously, the motivating force behind all of this is to essentially direct is riley from policy geo politics. Will it have an impact it would help him and they needed to impact because finally, those things are measured for their own gra. But its really their beginning co pay was tendency and was sitting on the United States. Well see what starts to hit by the euro. It might. Busy obviously every your dream but what is what when hes going to be joined by, by the. Busy busy or meeting for the powers is about board United States. As long as the United States continues to support is right to finance is right. Andrew supplies has all kinds of weapons as long as this continuous it to, to not have an effect on, on their decision makers. So phase right there we have to use in the, in the washing tone and the kid when, before i say motion, the was watching the video really be serious about anything before the world ended with these days. But the full time there didnt see this, right . This is covering for motion, told me its getting and you, you make it very powerful points that its all good and well, economies the size of take a, making these moves against israel, but until the economic super powers of the world, the United States. And indeed, china flooded may get involved in this type, positive punitive measures against the state of israel. Its not going to economically make a difference to israel. Your thoughts, a part would be careful about the effectiveness of a sanctions as such. Lets be honest. I mean, and thats the whole history of the comic central. Its not starting with a cult, handled located at the beginning of 19 century, which not pulling on any post against the crate bridge and on actually big, fired and helped to bring down that i pulled out on the scene. Also mixed the results when it comes to the trade sanctions. So your opinion against russia. Whereas the, even though the experts to our shop plummeted, the export store Central Asian country. So compared the smaller size i jumped up exponentially, which tells you the story about the efficiency of this sanctions. And as, as i mentioned, the levels to mutual relationship between economic hardship, between the academy. So has been a longstanding and gradual process of that we should have mentioned that a ser out is an important buckner to to keep when it comes to a choice of over 600000 its out of stories. Is that okay and a p. Ready here, so one wonders what happens to all these tests and flows let of, let me thats a good telling lisa. Lets put that to to a b tourism major. Saw a sofa economic revenue for to key. What happens now given the potential loss of huge numbers, august really tourist of the country. It was, i certainly agree, but one thing i like to clear here clarify is my personal opinion. But this decision is not against the people of israel because last night out of the meeting with the Major Business by representatives. Uh, you know, it did not run done. Is it porky made that you made it absolutely clear and its not against people set up is where, you know, sort to keep single out, especially that decision. A name that mr. The to know, calling him as an impossible person to deal with. So on to a drastic may just take him, the band will continue. So now im sure i did the loss of revenues in the tourism. Obviously very important. But what would be quite upset is that it lets you know like a most of the country, i guess a jewish state type of thing that will be a very wrong because its really the tortoise. But always welcome, did turkey on their conduct, the causing the danger to them. So they loved coming 600000 people this nation coming on going. So i think behind, you know, i assume especially now the tourism season is approaching the summer. Theyll be efforts to probably the single of this particular point, but im sure its going to be a major, a lot of discussion or, or important part of this bad. But again, torque it seems to bear all costs for decision. Is that an official or no . They give you, i want to put this to you as possible because weve heard from this really foreign minister who has instructed the country to quote, find alternatives to trade with, take a run pub local production. Let me start by asking you why these likely alternative trade partners. Oh, who is the Authority Government i in for help. I and i wont take too much into too much serious way. Every expression of our foreign minister is quite a modular garden is always going to jakes and im not sure, you know, so its easy talking about took you was extremely. Busy to use. Busy about tourism, it touches show lines used to fly between 10 to 15 flights a day, more than any other for an airline, and temperature and does not slide for is uh ever since the 7th of october. Besides a lot of the think no terms and to turnkey, but on the trigger name of his rileys boy swear and staying for the economy is when we find a way maybe to bypass the rich commercial relationship because they swear to continue. And then by then the big product will become more expensive product. But again, i will to emphasize, i have the feeling that this is a store to ben and very soon the insurance guy is insane. We see a ceasefire and then sinks when it gets run. You dont forget the relations dumps. Yeah. It is what i had so many ups and downs in recent years. And every time there was a way to get out of the crisis and to review the relationship, including hundreds of thousands of his strategies for one day restaurant, you know, to well to tokyo because it is so they just there. And then next they, they went there by hundreds of thousands because a lot of done at the start of the time. Yeah, for example, hey, can you let me ask you to sort of flush out a point that you made that because he talked about the rates of accelerated inflation in the country that i understand is a 2. 7 percent and thats much higher than initially expected apparently clothing for warehousing, health care, transportation. Well, if this has gone up in value, how mindful is the Israeli Government . How is it mindful this is why the government about this impact on consumers in the country consumers that will also vote as a full harvey. We dont have a function in government right now. We have a government which is concentrated only in staking power and therefore those questions right, is our, you relevant, the municipal finance is set level extreme ready . Come right. We go as nothing to do with the corner. We have the quarterly doesnt the interest in the door. Hes only interested in but wont do the settlements. So those questions, so right now you ready for these right . Easy to very, very bad shape right off. Its was moments of the story. And as long as these government will continue, or those questions, really you really well, we are waiting to see the next twist and turn in this ongoing conflicts. Of course. Also another thing that as well kind of israels foreign minister has said, is a queues talking of ignoring quote, International Trade agreements, letting me come as ro, legally oppose this move from turkey. I hope that i can uh, its uh uh it will take time until uh not have an immediate impact. I would like to emphasize, but as has been mentioned, both sides samples on 3rd are list of the biggest, biggest architects part to show our whole iron bars. Cars and jewelry mass mentioned is always in a state of war technically. So im sure this consumer goods can beat fargo. The original iron bars is something thats important for the manufacturing and a phone for Construction Industry on the other side. Half of you, certainly its part of the case represented by dirty fine petroleum product. So if i was a turkish citizen, i would make sure to make my car tank for uh before the week starts me or so again, on the, on the, on to both sides of the importance. Okay. All materials trade emphasizes that i would like to see how. Ready the most trading corporate O Corporation started on both sides. Well, the just, just to jump in all the alternative markets. But to tier you could increase exports to the biggest trading partner of the truck, is germany followed by United States, iraq, united kingdom, and it totally on the side of his shoulder or Foreign Trade of his relatives. Much more diversified source has been mentioned. The volume of exports from is out to, to is comparable to countries like another loves germany, belgium, or india and france. So i would hope that when it comes to finding a substitute, a target markets for its exports, its all stands and typically better positioned on turkey. But yeah, eventually rather rather than looking for the new target market, i still exist in and a short term. And we have seen, at the end, the case of 2014 or 2022 right and barcode as russia tried to set to countries as something to be upset more closely. Also, as had it has been mentioned, the relationship between is roland took the are the over 20 years long. For actual work. There is, there is a Abraham Court that has been signed on in 2020 and that helped the right to boast of mutual tre, between e 0 and our countries rise in our counter up around for potential chase. I will be looking more carefully about the impact of this step on the mutual trade, which of the newly emerging trade partners in other countries. And how does a be i, what if i can circle back to something that you mentioned a little bit earlier on. And it was the, the motives for president do im doing this. I mean, you suggested that this decision may be politically performative, symbolic, given the pressure of the president has been on the, by political opponents even political allies in the country to take a tough stance on israel following, as she mentioned, those pool elect portal results by the act policy, which is you mean by that, is this a performative move by the talk is president . Well, i personally dont think so, but the reasons you mentioned, im sure played an important role. We cannot deny that. But church, he always defended the peaceful solution to stay solution to the problem. Um, so that we can move on. I mean, as mentioned here, the, my quotes probably a new beginning, a new middle east by corporate thing in the region of, you know, like a piece of prospect will probably replace war and chiles. Now the move in charge is the International Community is not doing anything to stop this genocide at all. So if you really in fact theyre helping or boosting the killing stolen doesnt seem any time soon. Its going to stop. So therefore, i think all these combine charge you willing to take all the risk and consequences and decided to be apply unbundle go against the stairs, always low, but singly alt, especially, decision make comes dead. I seem to, especially the end of the discussion point, we should mashing and turkish made is that the war cover that theyre saying, these are the ones failed to protect state or people of state of israel. And now theyre the ones initiating the war there and pointless for they see it because old is innocent. People not comfortable of defending themselves or the oppose. Again, its like 2 of these royal got being chilled, continue a big jump. So this, these things like data in the media, we can see social media as well as, you know, televisions on the table and theyre being discussed. So from that point we cannot really single out of the ones political future. Ive seen of all the other elements have been always in taking into consideration and the color and this, this difficult decision has been, has to be made and also in the state. But they said that rather expect them as International Reaction as well. And were ready to, to uh, the costs the closest getting. And let me for that to you. How phase do you think the Israeli Government is by these comments coming from and correct. Of course, you say that there is still an underlying friendship between ordinary citizens of israel and the people of took here. But is the a residual concern by this right of the government. This may develop, this animosity may deepen yeah, sure. And it is of the concern, but i will put it in in the 1st of this, the concerns is what is there any spacing, those . Oh, many concerns from the i c c tool, bad choice. Joining the host address and rough uh so many things. But besides, in so many really challenges in which spends in for installing defense, right . I think the total charge is all 2nd the pro g, because finding the term key was order to respect the perspective times you to of your best by the end of the day. Those are not the steps that the change. Usually i dont change the policy obviously this week we have see not only took a but columbia cup ties with israel following a growing list of countries and lots of mer unless in america, africa, and the middle east. Israel facing clearly gideon, growing political and economic. I solution, how is israel the able to somehow tune out those critical voices . Is that something background, static, the business or the government . The 1st thing of the Public Opinion and the government, the Public Opinion protect itself was that was a separation horde. Was a professional war, namely the harvard is against us, no matter what we do. Namely, the word is disseminated and we can do nothing about it, which is august, the, like, the government does it on, on as different there be schools mainly what can we do to stay in power . I would say in the, in a, in a large way. Thats cutting relations, this car on the, on the roads in columbia university, the easily is much more concerned about the they arrived in columbia university. Right. And we wait to see how is real potentially will react will not react to even get in levy. Maybe based on an vladimir yvonne, a, a pleasure to have you on inside story many thanks for your time. Well, im thank you to, of course of watching and you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. Ill just here a dont com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. Thats facebook dot com, forward slash page i inside story. And you can also join the conversation on x. A handle is a j inside story for me, for the entire team here. 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