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There are the standards between Israel Security services and other parties like my to close cyber space. On the inverse and pros, literature reveals how societies grow and learn each air and struggle. Its unique flights from the dark ages to the age of enlightenment was an peace, love and hate and the rise and full of impious. Its all cap should by rights of imagination. The book comprises one of the most prestigious literary awards. Its been given out every year since 1969 to the best original and of over some in the english language and published in the United Kingdom or island. The prize highlights exceptional history looks and has a Significant Impact on industry world influencing trends and shaping contemporary discussions. On this episode of 2 ounces era, we speak to the recent when the irish novelist, poland, his winning book, profit song, tells the fictional story of the mother of full as she tries to protect her family was a government tons, increasingly to tell us harry. And while the story takes place and on and it power those, any conflict around the world, lynch says he wanted to show west and indifference to those offices that happened. Fall from view, like the war in syria and make his we just feel both. Its like to live on the tyranny. One of the judges called his novel a trial of emotional story telling this we cordells into the global literary wells and examined the role literature was playing and shaping all societies prize Winner College talks to l. Just theyre pulling. Welcome, and thank you for talking to alex, is there as well . Congratulations on a very well does of when of the booker prize profit . So what can i say . Wow, its what to me away. I read it over 2 days, and i dont think its, its funny. Let me go, yes. My 1st question to you is what major voice it. I am you know when, when you choose, you dont choose a book or at the book chooses you. And i was, i came to this novel at a time in 2018 where i suppose you could say there was a lot of, there was a lot of change in the world and certainly here in the west and i had just read, we read step and move by herman has it. And that book was interesting cuz id read, i read it in my twenties and you know, in the late ninetys when, when with the world was i certainly life and europe was very sedate, it seemed. And i remember it was a passage in that book where harry holler, who was the novel 0 sort of was looking as a germany in 1927. And he was looking at the sort of political and last he was looking at the, the center for be in the anti semitism. And just that sense of own raveling that was good, that was going on. And he said in that that the next destruction is to the next war is inevitable. I dont remember when i read that in my twentys through a been amazed at what it must have been like to being alive. And so ive such a time because as i said, the ninetys was what it was. But then i re read that in 2018 before i sat down to my profit. So i missed you a recognition. How when went up, went up my spine, and i, i remember just thinking, this is, this is now, oh, this feels like the now, or at least did, there are aspects that of the now that are, that are here with us that werent with us. You know, 20 years ago, and thats the thing. First of all about re reading great fiction is that youre never the same reader twice. But also you can sort of measure the time that you and you can measure how things have changed. And so i, you know, thats, thats what i was thinking. Then at the time there was, there was, trump was in power and we had breakfasted, and there was this, there had been a search to the right, you know, in your up. And wed have to come to the implosion of syria and the refugee crisis. And all of these things were just sort of pressing and on on the fiction. And um, and you know, uh, you know, im not, im not a political novelist. I think its a dangerous thing to, to take on this to sort of step start riding with an agenda. But the stuff is pressing in reserve leaking through into the text from underneath. Or you may say its a dangerous thing to take home, but i feel like to have, i feel like this is quite a warning in here, not to take life the ground to. Theres an amazing line that you use, which is really stuck with me, which is that happiness happens in the hum drum and its almost like dont let that go. Dont waste your life looking for happiness and joy of what you have because it can be gone in an instant. Absolutely, and this moment is for all of these moments of just life in this moment in the, on folding moment. And theres a reason for that. Its, its because for each moment is a blessing thing and, and, and we do take it for granted as you say. And, you know, i think, i think of, you know, realize as a writer that, that the civilization that we live in. Its a thin veneer and so we use the last and you know, his life is a fragile thing and when its gone, its gone. You know, its humpty dumpty. You cant, you cant put it back together again. And this is fundamentally wise book is about grief. Its you know, that, that in this book whats lost is irretrievable. And im slowly, but surely alias has been maneuvered in this book. Shes, shes trying to, grapples with these norm is forces that are shaping around her and theyve taken her husband. And though it seems theyre taking her saw on and shes got her other children and shes trying for, shes trying to sort of sort of retain some sense of dignity, trying to keep her family together. But the forces there are at work. They are just too great and so the novel is perhaps asking the reader, well, how are these forces the least in the 1st place, you dont . What . Where do we, what, whats her steps . Do we take to get to that point in any sort of projected, or counterfactual history was, this can begin again and i on to sort of begin to pull apart the known world that we, that we take for granted. Now, especially sort of in your, with our levels democracies. This is, this is, this is what some of the questions the book is asking me. But i definitely want to talk more about english and a little bit because i love to as a couch. But i wonder where she came from. The 1st was when i ask why you chose to set this in island other than the fact that, you know, its a new list that because theres been some people who have said they find it really hard to reconcile this something to, to tell us how we and government in a place its got such a strong democracy. I wonder why you didnt explain more how that came about what this governments ultimate a was. You know, if i had stated the politics all the Space Operations in the book, then the book would, would you be in about that particular politics. And so it would have missed the point in anybody who has, as, who has said, you know, what youre saying. Theyre, theyre missing the point of the novel. If you take the lead, a great book like the is and you turn it inside that water you left with all the hero x, the political action, the grand stage of action, all of it disappears and we are left with the characters. Who are the, who are living through the events in the back land, you know, and he was saying, life is lived in the home jerome. Its also just book is about those moments. Its about the hidden life of on recorded acts. And i think thats what the novelist, judy is, is to capture. Its not the grand stage, just not politics. Its not in this book is chasing something very different. Its going after it wants to know. Uh, you know, if it wants to know what is it like for people to live through these events, the events, the mechanism is that create these brands are different and they have different shapes. But the outcomes are always the same on and for aly stack, you know, i, she reaches towards the end of the novel. And shes thinking about, you know, of the meaning of the end of the world. And she realized the beginning of the world as not this sudden event. Its not the typical apocalypse, its actually just it, its an event that that knocks on your door, it comes to your city. It comes to your town and a golf. Most of your family and, and, and it destroys your country, but its, its a news event to other people. And over time its a mis, it becomes, it becomes a rumor. And so the book is really about exploring these, this size of, of, of, of, of the events rather than the things that we already get from journalism to things that, that are, that are obviously there for the taking. Do you know what i mean . Absolutely, and its so true what youre saying, because theres one very key example. It was a reflection of reality for me because when i was reading it recently, its the war on gone. So thats really coming home to me at the moment, especially with the strikes and people being forced to leave homes. So when i read molly saying, if you want to give will, is profit named coolant and to tame and we are now tv for the rest of the world. And that actually gave me goosebumps because a very key movement from the world gone. So for me, covering it from here in doha, was watching a man in the jabante, a refugee camp who would just have his house and his neighbors houses palms. And hes looking straight at the camera and hes screaming at them. Are you watching . Well, are you enjoying this movie . I wonder, do you also see these power of those now . Because as you say, it could have been tested all and it could have been set in syria. It could continue to be said in many places around the world. Yeah. And you know what i said and often like this in orleans, its really, its, its, you know, and im holding off a magic mirror its, its, its, it allows us to imagine it in a place where it would seem to be impossible. But by doing that, um, it makes it older, more real, it makes it more universal. So because if i had said enough like this and, you know, lets, lets say i had chosen to, to try and recreate syrian and novel within the book would be about seriousness. Typically, instead of the universal aspects of that, that are on folding in this book and, you know, you know, you mentioned guys, and i mean this book contains it. It has room within it for the guys in our to vegas room within it for the ukraine. Ive met, i met somebody from from, from a Palestinian Lady yesterday. I met a ukrainian woman the day before and both of them, the things that ive managed to tell their story. And thats, it seems extraordinary to me the most in dublin here i am an irish writer creating this, you know, a narrative that, that can somehow tap into these universal energies. And there was, theres that, there was, there was a, there was an epic or id have to graph that really wanted to use for this book that wants to take from comp mccarthys the crossing. And unfortunately, in the current, because he was dying at the time and sadly passed away and we couldnt get permission on, on, on, on, on the line was, was really important towards the meaning of the book. He said that the task of generator is not an easy one. He appears to be to he peers, to, to, to, it appears to be the case of he was to choose a story from the many that are available. But of course thats not the case. The, the, the, the, to the, the writer must to, to, the writer must make many of the one. When you make many of the one youre getting closer to me, if youre getting to the point where a novel can, can contain multitudes within it. And that was my goal, it was to sort of create this sort of a story that, that even though it says in dublin that it actually contains within at the university. And, you know, its, its, its, um, its a, its a grand and lofty goal. And i dont know if i fully managed that, but thats, that was my intention. What do you certainly did for me and i, im sure youve done it for many other people because i think one of the big things in the book is the mundane image. The absolute tails and say for me the details such as when i this is in the call looking for his son marks. Hes absolutely frantic. Shes having his ex incentive prizes, but she cant get the interval right on the windscreen wipers. Its so but no, but its so relate simple and its those details that continuously come up. I think that make it really simple to so many different people or. Yeah, and this was the point for me that i wanted to sorta embeds the reader of the novel completely in the home drum. You know, because the facts of the matter is, is english is, is, you know, shes a mother in a fortys, shes got, shes got a career. Shes got 3 teenage kids. Shes got an infant. Shes got a husband whos been disappeared and shes trying to hold her life together. Shes trying to sort of manage all these competing energies as we all do in our lives. At the same time her father is ailing, hes. Hes always, hes got dementia and shes like, shes solely mashed that. Its easier for her to be in denial about whats going on than address whats going on. Because if she has to address it fully, then she may have to start letting go. The friends and, or sister of course is in canada. I sister on you and her sisters saying, you know, history is assigned at rack or does. Those did not know when to leave an extra saying, you know, thats very well for you to say, but how am i supposed to leave lauries, you know, lauries in prison somewhere. You know, dad, dad is a, what one of the falls and breaks the hip. What then . And so this idea that you can just leave your life, is it either you can just, you know, to pack up your bag and close the door and leave the country. Its, you know, i want you to understand this for myself to, to, to, to leave your life. I think, to leave your life and your home is possibly the most difficult thing to do in the world. And you have to be forced to do what you have to be shown to is out of your life in the way that issues. And this is what i learned by writing the book. And thats a big question at the end. I think you give it to mona, a carrot, so who appears towards the end when she says, how much for you will to any of us have to do. And the thing was so close up in our lives on, in our responsibilities and find us in the very beginning it was okay. Practice. And it was molly competing in the junior leak that was stopping her from these things are that does as you say, it shows us just how difficult it would be to leave when perhaps so fast question might people, why didnt you just get out of that in the beginning by the end to like actually yes, it would be very difficult to resource helps. And again, this is what we see in gaza and in the palestinians, not wanting to leave the north of golf. So that is being bomb to go south because thats f 1st thing, but by leaving you couldnt, you couldnt really sense that in the novel is devastating or. Yeah, and you know, at free will desperation of the question of free will, is it is very central to the, to this novel. And, you know, its something ive always been interested in as a novelist. Is this sort of the sense that were all living our lives. Were all searching for some sense of just, you know, often to city of a self. Were looking for dignity. And at the same time, you know, when my characters find themselves caught up in these enormous events, these, these things are just, you know, throwing them around like, just how are they to reconcile after you know, these, these, these, these forces are shaping their lives. And yet, there you are at the center of a human being with a beating heart, and youre just, youre, you know, youre trying to have some dignity and there are no easy access to this. It means remain that theyre not being answer at all, but yet. Yeah, its something essential to all my novels and more that has that moment in the book where she she speaks about it and she says, you know, i used to think that i had free will. I used to think i had agency and now i realize that that was just a delusion that you know that we are just karl, always and these enormous forces that are shifting our lives. And we really have very to say about any of it. Lets talk about i left you a bit of issues of single central character. I think she managed to keep the most remarkable dignity in an incredible situation of a many times in the novel. But i was like, i would not be that com, polite, that collected to be official, these faceless officials that represent the states and to the forces that were bearing down even when the kids to fight. So you dont see her lose her cool. Shes wonderful. Shes complex, how did you create to . So i think it is just sort of came to me. I mean, its not that i sort of created her. Its interesting that, you know, i wrote the 1st page of the book in this moment where i just sat down one day after writing the robins office for 6 months. Is it kind of what happens or writing something, you know, its wrong. But the Energy Behind this thing that youre looking for its, its there, but you can just to be can find the vessel through the right story. And i sat down and i just wrote that open page very, very close to how it sits now and aly. Shes there in this, i think from the 2nd sentence shes, shes there until the 3rd person, and shes inhabiting that text. And i didnt go looking for her. There she was. And sometimes i think, you know, writing, its like youre, youre, youre, you know, its scopes or you find the shape in the stone. You know, you just have to move the words in. There they are. And she seems to me to be this. Shes an extraordinary person. That shes so complex she so you know, shes still in the world and in the moment yet she has these layers of complexity with center and were sort of delving into her serve memories and her life. Her feelings were transported buyer, and yet, once she has to take on what she has to deal with, what she has to confront, its, its, its, its shocking. You know, when i had to go there with her, i had to follow the logic of events. And truthfully meet those moments and not turned away and, and, and that was really important, but this book was to just be, was, are there as shes, as shes taken through this, this story and the children of course, because the 3 main characters as the baby of course, but this box, thats molly. As those bailey, they all cope with the situation in very different ways. Mock is action evidence to go. Im only withdrawal as baby hodgens. Did you look at real life situations as to the psychological impact of will on children to, to gauge these reactions and the tools done . Yeah, i mean, i did, i obviously would have done a reasonable amount of research for this book so i can understand the impact psychologically of these kind of things. But, you know, i, i just went with this, i just, you know, i mean this, my job is the novelist is, this is kind of, this is what i do. And, you know, i, you know, were sort of natural psychologists in a way. And i, i just, i just went with each carts and i mean, you ask yourself questions like, well, you know, what does this card to want . Know, who are they in . What do they want . And, you know, barely in particular alias makes the mistake of lying to him, you know, when, when, when, when, when barriers is taken away and not returned. And theres no answer. Just just the silence from the state. Hes been disappeared and at least makes the mistake of, of not telling them because she thinks hes too young. He wont be able to handle it. And thats that it proves a mistake because a change has barely in a way that he may not have changed. And because of that, they then have this sort of, theres been a narrative between them that, that, that, that, that goes to that goes good, that takes, that takes off with that has its own energy through the book. And mean im, it died i, i have 2 kids of 2 younger kids. So it was an opportunity for me to also that, that side of my life into my writing, perhaps for the 1st time. And you know, like the, theyre fighting for the remote controls. Lets start, the book said hes always there, always running a milk, you know, hes always saying why we, why we got no milk and more hes complaining about this and that, and thats, thats how life is. And it seemed to me to be that is essential to convey this aspect of life within this narrative that you know that, that, that we, the home drum. Its just again bringing it back to the banality. Because this is what life is like. Well that milk minute phase to be a Crucial Point in the book, doesnt it . And just wanting to view is if you havent read profit song yet, this next couple of questions are spoiler a lot, but i have to ask you pool. Why did bailey have to die . It was devastating. And thats a big spider. Um, yes, uh, so i wont discuss how or was, or what, but i will say that that the book has, has a momentum of truth to it. And the truth is the most important thing that shaped the book. So as i was writing, i would often have ideas, maybe, you know, sort of romantic novelist take ideas, maybe english can do this. So maybe this could happen in the book, but just say no. And what i realized was that there is a, theres a sort of, it is i see the book is a series of equations that leads to the last line. And that last line is a, is, is, is, is the q a, b, and i have to prove that last line, true. I. So there is an implacable logic. And i could not flinch from that logic. I could not look away. And thats the, you know, theres a moment that chapter where the worst happens. I couldnt write that for a while. There was a number of months where i was, the energy offered was too great for me. I was, i was really blocked. I wasnt sure how to do it and i also didnt want to confront myself until until i felt ready to do it. And when i wrote it, it just came out. It came out of me in a flood because because i was ready for a just moving on to your style, a lot of discussion about it, no power golf, new speech bounce very few full stops. Its an exhausting read. I think its fair to say, and i also want to just bring in the fact theres almost no shima in it except for one moments which actually made me laugh out loud. And it was when Jerry Brandon is. His neighbor looks at the world trade stuff. Thats been featured on her call and its perfect. It is a horrendous experience for the family. And he looks that he says, is it just me or is that not spelt right . It . It was an absolute you put in for me. But why did you know were allowed to leave the region more levity moments like that . And again, the book has it just have its own implacable logic, its own rules. And, you know, i mean, maybe its because, you know, the book is just so much weights into, you know, in a certain direction that, that the waiting would be wrong. If there was more levity, i, i honestly dont know, but i make decisions about, you know, for example, things like theyre not being paragraph breaks. These are decisions that are really important. And i think that when you are writing a book and you make you make choices to play with the form and 2 things that are perhaps unconventional though its not on conventional to have no paragraph mark is not on conventional tough, no quotation marks. There are many writers who have been doing this for quite some time, but you must, justified in the meaning of the story. And the justifications are, are there, you know, the reader will find themselves in, present, in this text, in the same way that n, as in prison, within her reality theres, its just nowhere to turn. Theres no reading space and, and, and at the same time, you know, those long sentences are a way of, of inhabiting the moment of getting down to the harpies of, of a very just life. What at the same time, they create the feeling of momentum of just the paul of events, that alias is completely unmatched. And those sentences are pulling the reader along. They certainly do and they dont let go. You just won the book a prize. You won the no shortage of prizes or prolific receiver. Its fair to say whats next . Few. What should be back in the be looking out for a while there wont be another novel for, for some time, cause im, im going to be busy doing booker stuff. I think for, for, for the next year or so im told, but i do want to get back to walk. I had started the novel and you know, im not even sure yet what its fully about because, you know, its early stage, but i and i never talk about what im writing. But, you know, for the moment its just going to be book surprised. 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