Out of the and welcome to the program. Im joe now. How old and 30000 palestinians killed tens of thousands more injured warnings of a famine and the Health Care System that the u. N says its own, this is on its knees, yet the bottoms keep fully own gaza. Nearly 5 months since the start of israels devastating war. Theres no laptop in its daily attacks on friday. Im also announced that some of the captives held in gaza had been killed in his rightly strikes catawba, u. S. And egypt to be mediating to express these 5. But the fee is the constant bombardment could threaten those discussions and israels killing of more than a 100. 00 pounds of students, as they scrambled to collect food. I dont says they use for the threatening to inflame the region, but Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu insists his ministry offensive will go on until these goals are achieved. Weve already discussed with guests, but 1st this report from when we consume sharif mexico at the time of talk sort of ceasefire. Optimism about negotiations for the possibly troops in causal interrupted by the killing of more than 100 palestinians and testy as to be to, to collect food. Many of the victims were taken to causal cities, fairly functioning on ship, a hospital o u n team that met some of the victim says many of those they still have suffered gunshot wounds. This hospital is treating more than 200 people that were injured yesterday. You have seen people with gunshot ones, you have seen up to fees and we have seen the children as young as 12 that were injured. Yes. Street a group safe. Thursdays killings undermined the immediate need for the ceasefire as food and supplies can and took off. 05 months of his was will, has led to a humanitarian catastrophe. A majority of palestinians of displays and stuff in the middle, but there was a tens childs officially registered in the hospital as having starved to this very sad threshold. Similar sat as to 30000 best. We reached all over garza and similar like those these uh, official records the, the unofficial numbers can unfortunately be expected to be higher as well as relentless flights of raising questions about whether its really Prime Minister. Benjamin netanyahu is even infested. Indeed, as his negotiate is defined in agreement the negotiations for a cease fire the, the, the, you know, the sticking point. There has always been the end, the game. Israel has been adamant that its going to effectively destroyed god. So it doesnt use those words, but we, we see what theyre doing on the ground. We, we hear the rhetoric coming out of is really political circles. They want to make life on livable. Theyre trying to ethnically cleanse guys are as part of their so called greater israel plan. As long as that remains their intent. Theres just not a lot of incentive for him us uh to, to agree to, to agree to a deal as well as Bombing Campaign is also costing you the lives of captives headed in vasa. The military being of high miles kaufman, forget, says, is really s flags can 7 captives being held in district. The group lanes is really a tax for the depth of more than 70 of the 150. 00 estimate. The captive still hasnt garza. The families have been demanding these really government to move to help them from in this to nothing. Yeah. Whos wound looming, assault and ruffle, is inevitable after forcing more than a 1000000 palestinians to shelter them and shouting, they will be even most suffering and destruction forgot. Because some shoddy arches 0 for inside story the as well, lets bring it out. Guess now in terms of easier, see, bailey inform is really minister of justice who initiated negotiations of the also piece the codes here in the abraham frat associated professor of conflict resolution at the institute, and also in the bahama to chicago, a professor of conflict resolution and diplomacy at george mason university. I will welcome gentleman to you or we are talking essentially about torques. Now we know that around 10 days ago in paris negotiations took place with senior representatives of the us, katasha, egypt, and israel, that those talks with constructive enough. That talks continued here in doha, involving how mouse as well with egyptian and category media is shuttling between. We know the broad outlines of a deal up to 6 weeks of oppose in the fighting 40 captives to be released for around 400 prisoners. A ratio of one to 10, the repositioning of something is really forces in the return of some palestinians to their homes in the gaza strip. But we have no deal as yet. Youll see bailey let me put the question to you. In its most straightforward terms, is israel more particularly than nothing . Nothing. Yeah. Who government, serious about talks to end this war about talk to and this will also show, i mean i know government day is going to have an end. Lets say, well, if you ask me about the guarantees, rarely government and its at the to do with the 2 state solution, my answer will be very different. But a i a, a, i hope that it wont take too long. I mean president bowden said the yesterday that the night they, they place it to be a good the beginning or from a done on the dance, ill say, mileage. And apparently these are the, the iphones that the question. So theyll about the length of the land, and they then im, theyre all say, all the ballasting in a general rece the will be exchanged a for a, keeping a state easily keeping up and so on. But they do, they place the question again is what the doing the ceasefire. It would be possible to talk with the file base also about the much bigger solution for our problem. And even even they will crises, eval between ease writing but his dns, dns. A 48. 00 a may be, maybe it is an opportunity to try and talk seriously about a Peaceful Solutions as you allude, but theres no doubt whatsoever at, within the nothing you know, nothing. Youre going to about the position towards a 2 state solution. They have ruled that explicitly abraham frat let, let me move on to you. Do you believe that negotiations are being conducted in good faith from the is riley sides of how do you see the willingness of how much to cooperate . Oh, absolutely not. There is no good 5th and this negotiation there is no trust in this negotiations. I think the solve the major obstacles to a successful seed is buyer, basically, and im up show what bennett in yahoo, bite, wing, extremist. But then the whole government was from this negotiations was sort of these all the as lady kept those give a seized by a for 6 weeks only, and then continue the war afterwards too. And as it goes off the map, thats basically what that is, why you lived in and as lady position on this negotiation. Now how much has only this issue of the cap is that theyre able to negotiate the why you want a mass or any of a policy would give them a its only the content that has, which is the captives in order to be after 6 weeks to be attacked again and continue the war. And now we, we know that the young lady in pensions from what we see is basically the mass exposures of the experience and gaza. That domain does in have a not happy people, you know, for the phone gases. There is about 70 percent of homes and guys i have been destroyed. The infrastructure has been destroyed all to me and people are displaced. So good luck with the construction and this is not the whole thing and that the american, a better solution is not giving cash. What it says about after 6 weeks, they wouldnt be seized by it. So no one has given cash. What else is best . Would it be, see, is buy out. So thats the reason i think there is a huge gap between the 2 bought this between buy zigler, im us and bill we negotiate in good faith that were going to lease to a better minute ceasefire. Sustainable fees via the chances as own a break it through in this negotiation. But the man is very unlikely in my opinion. Okay, well that question of why would, how must negotiate a way the key card is something we will return to, but festival, to continue just drawing the broad outlines of this discussion. Let me bring it in by let me check holly to look at the international parameters of a deal, the coals growing up, allowed to have a more frequent now from around the world. From europe, from latin america, from africa, from arab states across the middle east. Of course, for an immediate cease fire. To what extent does that pressure do you think way on the netanyahu government a still slow . No, no. I dont know the song, the basic mistake, but lets look at a competitive route pro to we need to differentiate between the process and the process and do how i am k o i know in practice. So no one can deny that is a degree method process, but i want to know, can we clean it out some the pragmatic pragmatics. That means the very beginning and the results of this process so far. No, because we have a lot of a lost in translation problems when we even do have and what have them, what im sweating when we talk about these for the meaning is simpler, which is put in the fire. Oh, this is the logic b, b c. s. Of all pick to the news and processing. However, the solution, the, is that the nothing you know is, is what i need to know to go that way. And i can send it in the maximum of true spot, open ended pool. This is why were coming up with a 6 week pause, so far the, the position has shifted from what it was back in late november when we had the 1st exchangeable authors and prisoners. Thanks to the got the mediation. Unfortunately, the white house, the, the vine that was of watching the, hopefully the by next week with me. Im a big groups, but unfortunately were not talking about on just a full for the use of my age is a truthful because my age and this is fine for the rest of the world. Unfortunately, these offices and the auditors are coming coming together. Therefore, i think we, we maintain the process for the weeks to come, but i dont see the line at the end of that the. That means were not talking about the same for the ticket and for what the client would. Which means booking the fire out for good and dish of to thought the league into the most open it was you agent between some costs socialism and what is about the policy is gonna gain at this point so far. It has not been this mind, and i love the point i would like to add it briefly is right. And that then, you know, basically goal set that in this process not to reach. This is fine, but he went, but just to find a way out for the hostages and programs, this is going to be the scene in all of the the be is the right in the position. Therefore, i think the black list i want to get is indeed the need for some bethany go. She has been in communication. What do we mean when we talk about just fine . Okay, well you bring up the by the ministration, of course, the, by the administration, the United States is ralph closest allied, conspicuous, uh, in the International Community for not cooling for an immediate cease fire. There was a resolution possibly coming at the Security Council for what is described as a temporary humanitarian ceasefire. As soon as practicable, im going to ask you, ill see bailey with the in the and the tease only us pressure that could force the nothing yahoo government to change its calculus from concentrating not just on a 6 week temporary pause with unknown a follow on. But instead to be looking at something more lost to what 1st of all, he feels thinking about pressure. This is why hes not been done here. Youre going to done you. How is the legitimate and elected Prime Minister. But a, you have many voice, many voices, and many groups in these way. And you have the, the security establishment, which is a different view than a anthony al, youll have a, the most of the public opinion. Theyre going to be copying on both say a which are not the simple people say, and it any out that office a be in the position is the they will join the government, the guns a is. So the company, the behind the, was the, to the fat a. Yeah, but the difference is about the how do you manage it . The next, the steps. But if i do not have space, i think that the point with United States is not that day. It or both is the general idea or fe, east or a deep, including people like my sense that the main aim is to prevent from us from governing guys in the future. If there is issues, then there is no need to continue this, say well, to continue to less often from the south and, and to keep people and to be killed in whatever and you so what happened the other day, weekday . Well, we dust these tends to these poor people in, in guys though, in the 100 people apparently a died. I dont believe that any, but the things that the, these really all me is still daily in order to, to kill them. But these of the, the resides of offsets the sats confrontations. And it is not for the 1st time, regretfully. And we should ask me, declined into going the best way to prevent the best. What better way to present data is tool to end the small and it can be ended quickly. If we, we all show that how much is not going to be filed of the of the morning after. Oh god for them guys. Mostly both my want to to tell me that if you dont mind, im the only in the sense that if that is the simplistic and goal simply to ensure the time us cannot govern the gaza strip. I mean, the nothing you know, who government has put out a one page document suggesting that some unknown groups will simply materialize out of the population and take over that role. I mean, thats not a, thats not a feasible plan b, is it the degree we deal with it . It is not a, it is not the plan. You didnt call it the plan. It does not, is government. It was never confirmed that accepted by the government. I believe that heavy brook heavy he brought it to the government, a many, a ministers. I dont know whether them a joint or not, well does reject the deed and they, excusing this whole thing. Do you think these really very unassuming, those, these groups are not going to govern guys, is what cannot the, a dress Something Like that that can do the can be a kind of a plus b sheep. And its a yes before for what we showed lied for a year or 2 a week. The main think of the 1st thing, you know, sorry, be, and then it to should be the 1st. Do you know . Sorry, the whole if we havent, but then the but the thing is 32 is even better. Okay. Lets look at how much in order this abraham proud you say that home us has no incentive to negotiate. Certainly not to give up its key called the cap tips. However, i do want to ask you whether at a certain point the pressure weighs on how much as well, because weve crossed the 30000 mach now in terms of palestinians killed. In this war, the vast majority of the population living under tremendous pressure within the gaza strip, now facing a show to dive aid facing family and children dying of malnutrition. That incident we talked about on thursday, a absolutely representative of what is happening to Palestinian People. Ostensibly governed by hamas. At what point does a mazda is calculation change or to do something to save the Palestinian People . Well, let me test the disagree with us. Have been over to you said that the goal is to ensure that pam us will not go with them and goes in the following day. This is totally false because how much has already be at the ones that are question has probably be around several times that the exit think i think about com garbage. I think the government thats totally outside politics. So a specialist i kind of makes who would be able to join, unbutton, does that, and so that will come out. So this is the solution. If this is the case, the how about the bottom, the bottom as user problem said above design and government at all. So how about says accepted that you need to government with the policy that national those are the which is also what the bible wants. Once the policy, the detroit and gods but the but on the contrary method, you know, as repeatedly repeatedly said that hes not accepting me, but i must move up the policy number on the policy. And also to see that you will see bill and signed the old agreement with them. Its unfortunate to see you with somebody that hes defending nothing, you know, despite on his piece of parts of that team at the box. And so all you have uh, do you want to come in on that . Know the visa does not make the monk mom. Its done by the time its done by youll say please do. We think that an attorney i would like to meet to see to and, and defend him in front of you. I am very thoughtful. Im about to be. Im not doing that. I said the whole piece, the some of the molding be of the abraham. I beg your pardon, let, lets put those issues to one side and could consider them the free quite. Now i continue please, because i did look at you know, why am i dont go out. They never met any a whole by saying that this has been born because again, its a method the older people. And they said that these about like something given the also you know, going to be. And also you are saying that the is not part of the drywall domestic. And that happened yesterday, though we have new times well see joe done for a watson because all a sudden fan of me that it was due to the, as somebody firing on that of whats the flow of domestic good on people, having the people that theyre going to dont get for the saying that not be able to find out who if i may be, am i think that youll see was making a slightly different point. Im saying that they would simply standing there with a pre intention of slaughtering palestinians. Lets leave that for the moment to one side. What i want to ask you about abraham is what would make how moss put aside its preconditions and step in to it with a gesture, if you like, in the interest of saving palestinian lives to end this war, what would make, how high must change its calculus to do things one as a better man im see is find out that the entire world is demanding about except bon jovi method. Now um heres to fascist. Theres a small x and being in it. And im, im gonna start by the list of the web. Is the man that gets these files. So this is one tool, i think not call the government the government involving the policy number for the house is not all the really no doesnt definitely did with the release of the business from both sides. Why is that . Were talking about a 100. 00 to 20. 00 is a to present us, but there are if 1800. 00 policy, another prisoners in the present. Most of many of them are a children with no trial there on the but many of them on but what school the tension administered the tension. But that is why you wouldnt know trial was normal. Yes, but no one is talking about that. This is, this is the issue of a justice. It would be for both sides. That that was the was fun. What it was funny. Give it a bit of stuff to give us about a 120 later presents. But no one mentioned that the prisoners. So what is the justice with this issue . And thats why, well, i guess whats the names even more that theyve been treated as list human out of somebody you with this is not acceptable, and thats why whats making, unless we have the wonderful thing, both bosses are treated as the point of human being. I dont think were going to see an end of this lecture unfortunately. Ok, mama check out. We increasingly listening to this discussion, listening to the, the polls that exist between the east rileys and how much on the palestinians. It feels like the United States really is the only country that holds the key to unlock this paradigm. What i want to ask you is going to change the calculus of the byte and administration. Is it going to be more violence against civilians like we saw on thursday . Is it going to be domestic pressure waiting on him in the United States in an election yet . Or is this really simply about bite wings own decades long determination to stand by israel . No matter what, before i address your question, let me just make one comment. I had to hire the specs for minnesota. Used to be named bro. Wants to book into early ninetys, but now i printed a form. And the way is become in the corner, just stick about a minute. Nothing you know is action and i think we know that they more than a 100 people died. I dont think of just as more accidents, 2 other boys. Yes. We mean the great power they broke the peaceful house so, so most of those and then it happens to be United States. But the deed is a split within the us administration, the by documents region in particular. And now between no believes that the us should save the situation and should put some pressure on both sides. The storage is just fine agreement. Then we move into more than romantic model and the student and the other group that is led by secretary of state to bring cannot unfortunately, or even put in by doing it any else to try to get by the gate. How much and then reach what they call the day, and these are 2 of school phoenicians, nothing. Basically, im not sure that the number even steve is one, even kills more than 30000 individuals in go that we, weve given the position of how much because its living should have been god. But with the blessing of those, the heads of how much a girl are willing to start k 5 and up to 200. 00 pounds in individuals. Theyve seen the number of multiple working in a know hes paying for the design. Unfortunately, they are putting the blame on the idea and the whole world now has realized that we define them as with surgeon, is to provide in full military and diplomatic. Im better love for them than the arrows actual so the we need to, to, to point. And the district in point wouldnt be when the, by the brain can look at each other in the eye. Then realize that these, the open and the 2 ports, the new is cool and theres some losses both. Okay, no problem. I think as one of the more last, when do you have the position there . I expect the russians on hold the key to put the pressure on it and also have the cup that is spoken. Put similar pressure on how much the, the shift to extend the formula beyond whats going on. That kind of fortunately. And then, you know, is invest in both the degree in an open ended room with no vision. The no strategies we need and we need to approach the end of our discussion. Youll see bailey and i want to ask you the window of legitimacy. Its euphemistically cold and israel, this paint this, this power runs by the United States of israel is actions in the past in the occupied palestinian territories. Do you believe that window of legitimacy is closing . I dont think so because it depends of whats going to happen in the near future if it is possible to change the situation to go seriously for peace. We did the, the, the, all, i believe the whole world. There wouldnt be a very happy with you said a situation. And then what ever use well in the 1st thing is we agree a dont yearly and otherwise wed be accepted by and allowed by the will. Of course youve got full beat, nothing like that happens. We cannot and diesel. We cannot go for peace. There is no other government in use, right. And then i think that they it would not be very Bright Future day for us. And especially for the piece can be an easy way. A gentleman by thanks to all our guests, youll see bailey abraham, frank and mamma. To check how we. Im thank you to you for watching. You can see the program again any time by visiting our website, delta 0 dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. Thats facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. And you can also join the conversation on x out. Handle is at a inside story for me, joe and holland, the entire team here. And thats good bye for now. 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