I think his rating stupid, mocking. The Security Guard came over shouting about pointing a gun at my face and forced me to the ground. It was discrimination only because on palestinians with formright groups quoting on his re lease to its hind palestinians, they come across regardless of age palestinians a walrus that theyll be collectively punished more than they already have been. His arrows gauze at b. R a cheat mortons, his wife, daughter, son, grandson, killed in his riley, a time. The majority of the was victims of women and children with journalists among the dead to these anywhere in the gaza strip site. This is inside store the hello and welcome to the program and the and its nice a while doctor is one of the best known journalists in the gaza strip. Just as his colleagues, serene eyeball actually was in the occupied. Westbank is really full of a shot. And killed during while she was on the assignment in jeanine last year. Wiles, wife, daughter, son, grandson, were killed in an, as striking a refugee camp in central gaza. On wednesday, a place they had left home for a place they believed to be safe. Despite the tragedy, while his pledge to keep reporting on these rails bore on garza with their feelings, no doubt it would not stock me from doing my duties no matter what the price without paying the voice of. Ill just hear my voice with continued to tell the truth in a few minutes, i will go live on air. Shame on the story of the occupation forces. More women and children have been killed in this wall than man, or even competence. Hospitals schools refugee comes in upon them. Books ive been raised to the ground, and relentless is rarely a tax journalist, have been victims too. And less than 3 weeks 20 full media workers have been killed. 20 of them palestinians, according to the committee for the protection of journalists in the face of such a violence as anywhere in gauze a safe for anyone. Well be discussing this with, i guess in a moment. But 1st, lets talk to a journalist and close colleague of well to do. Ill just share a producer stuff. What ill collude has covered gauze over the past 12 years, and ive been lucky enough to work with him over that time. And he joined us on data obama in central gaza. Southwell, thanks for joining us. I know its a very, very difficult time for you. The moment just tell us, 1st of all about while and his family what do you know . Um you have been uh together several times and you know, uh with the relationship between other agencies that are teams. Wireless not only for leak, right. Is a big brother. Um is close to everybody in terms of uh does it or team you know means uh that insurance. Ready and he is the advisor for everyone since he is the uh, the most experienced a journalist and the thing dogs that i just nothing, probably stein on the 0 t as in dog o. So the, you know, um we have been shared in quite a lot of social touch scenarios. The ceremonies including good days, including the manager based on last year. So we are family uh together which met with the and, and uh, the other colleagues, you know, i, you know, uh and for, we Work Together and uh, just need it for 12 years. But i know him for more than 23 years or 22 to be more accurate. So i, you know, i know when he used to work for local daily, uh, the reporter and then he moved to a lot of media such a like journal. And then finally uh for our luck he joined under 0. Hes the bravest journalist by the way, i have ever met and they have what so ever worked with uh, despite all of these conditions, heart conditions on the, on the work and on the fire. If you decide to stay in dogs, well, and keep, keep reporting well, control life from the, from the destruction. And i made some k days ago and i told him why. And while youre staying here, they said, what else to do . We go simply. So he, okay, he thought the case, acute of his Family Moving them or displacing them to and those that are to the virginia for jacob. But unfortunately, g said no place its safe on. Youre a journalist on your family, mom. How have you been able to manage both those aspects of your lots of families . The most important, of course, it was the, the most major and challenge that i have been facing as a father her what support would make it to get displace those to displace with my trying to do uh, you know, do have to meet the minimum needs at least uh for the time of day. Uh, we spent a long time looking, cutting bottles of water and lining up at some wells just to find some water for the children. This is number one number to the food unit, a sanction for which is the bread. We lined up at the bakery to bring food on itself, even safe, you know, some people they were killed. Why lining up at the water . Uh uh, both of loads or at the bakers. So we have been reporting that even though a lot of folks, so this is the 1st challenge. The 2nd thing is the fee and or the funding. It looks or the children they look at the father of been being a source of power and support. And they contribute to the field and the weakness and the father because i understand that. So this is psychologically is very, uh, dangerous and for the long term when the family loses the faith in the main social followed, which is the father to. So i asked my daughter a few days ago, how do you feel that you said you are okay, we are okay. This good. This even more challenges to the challenges that you are facing in an hour about an hour, an hour without a 5 minutes. All right, stuff. What stuff at all clue. Thank you for talking to us from gaza. Please, please look after yourself and your family, your, you know, your colleagues in gaza an hour and all thoughts. So please, please try take care as best you can stop by thank you very much. Try and go to best. Thank you. The thank you, my dear. Thank you very much. Let spring in august in new york is jody against the president of the committee. To protect the journalist, a Non Profit Organization that promotes Media Freedom and defends the rights of journalists in ramallah and the occupied westbank is most stuff. A bogu t sexy general of the Palestinian National initiative. And in the home jordan capital, texas take out the is irene. Com. You in special rapids or on the promotion and protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression. A warm welcome to you will. Um, 1st of all, my stuff uh about gucci and ramallah. Can you just tell us about how important whales reporting is in now big speaking world as well. 2 as a very, very close, and a lot of them colleague who, who has been doing wonderful work in terms of the general isnt covering what was happening because all of these is he has covered so many wards that happened to so many or aggressions that happened on garza, i personally knew him very well and i happened to be in guys are doing it in 2014 or and do it in which time we met many times on. So he did wonderful professional job and i think that will do icons or if i just need a word in the occupied territories and what and i do and goes on should be involved in the law. And unfortunately, both of them had this that have been gradually, city novel, i flew, was killed by and as an endless night. But the most recent that the National Commission reported the very clearly that she was significant for no reason. I buy, i know, is there any sniper, i know the door is losing his farm and his the is his wife, his son, his daughter. Its kind of been tardy, but also it indicates. So what, getting a list have to live through in palestine, and let me add that up to this moment 20 to getting a list. And does that have been kind of doing this that have been at apple visit or . Yeah, suiting the last 20 days 2020 i noticed on tiffany. Also remind you that the during the last 10 years and this in addition to these 22 jet another 50 to other, youll notice including 50 and ive opt. You would also come to buy those that are the automated list back then guys. Yes. Ok. Most of the thank you very much. Jody varies perhaps no more dangerous in the well to operate as a journalist than gaza at the moment. What are the challenges you understand the best facing above the ordinary challenges they would face from the reporting from gaza joined previous conflicts . Well, as youve heard, this is the deadliest conflict for gentleness, opposing on this region at the in the 30, is that if you dont have documenting this and in fact, it looks like its the worst period for john. Lets cover in conflict anyway, ever in those 30 years, its extremely challenging to cover goals are at the moment. There is no way to go. Thats right. Theres nowhere to hide. And im so im, and yet we are relying on those douglas inside garza to tell us whats happening and everyone who is a john. This is effectively becoming more referral to and thats been the case for many gods and janice them for many years. They coping with challenges including lack of electricity, obviously the dangers of repeated strikes and so on and, and all of that while they are in must, and living among friends and family as, as well. Was the hiring. Um, what do you understand developed was that the, from your perspective, the importance of cause of freedom of expression and opinion, what do you understand of the, of the challenges of a journalist trying to do that to in gone so well. First of all that you said freedom of expression is extremely important, or particularly in times of conflict, how as we get to use. But in this conflict, it is indiscriminate. This for fortunate attacks against his phone, civilian just of civilians under International Humanitarian. Though they have no protection civilians, war and daughter have no protection from indiscriminate, disproportionate attacks. So what good is your jack press with not going to do . What are your husbands going to do . Thats supposed to be true on the ground, that there are no rules that have being followed by by his read it. In this conflict, no rules applicable to civilians are being respected. That is an immense trash, the other people on the grow. But i think for International Humanitarian know the entire system of the room. The floor is under pressure here. And you on the list on the front line of the ones who are showing with the coverage and resilience. How much a blatant disregard for International Humanitarian law is taking place in government . Most of what were trying to look a bit at how journalists are able to report from cause or, and also they occupied westbank. Do you see a way that the do you say a way the palestinians are reported about is a different place to the ways re lease i would reported about. And of course there is a very huge difference. And the especially a doing this terrible or is it any perspective is present to repeatedly and so many times. And even when its long lies about what has happened in like that total, misleading and black Media Information about decapitating children or raping women, which which many dentist had to apologize about. Reporting like cnn, reporters Los Angeles Times as well. But these lives keep repeating. And unfortunately, what i see in many, im in the National Media outlets, is that they do not on the report to accept what, what is it or is i saying they do not 3 portfolio experience ive seen. But on top of that, if you add it and i actually interviewed, i mean that they would have 10 interviews with, with, with the, with, is there any and maybe one location, the interview with the city . And then the strange thing is that the broadcast or the one who was running the interview wouldnt be and not the only thing again is that any point of view, but also the p things. I say, im rebecca and why hes interviewing governors opinion. And that by itself shows you how, how, how the dispute is the situation unfair and how improper it is. And the problem also is that when did he put it about, is it or the situation . Its that he bought it. Think about human beings. A personal, tried doing uh, family who has been affected, but then its numbers on the, on the police, the on site. And thats why the state, the case of uh why is that maybe brings maybe some light on the fact that these 7000 palestinians, kent, im more of them 3000 children killed out of human beings. The not just the numbers. Busy of the people who live doesnt work that 5, that is my god, as children as sisters and brothers. And thats exactly what is missing. And then most of the nation and media outlets. Its really, really a lot of discrimination. A lot of im acceptable doing the discrimination and um, more about that in the lives keep coming, go to them is the keep repeating them, especially one last point is that they, they tend to blame the victim. Blaming the victim. They blame us for being bombarded. Theyre blaming us for being cook. This is so acceptable. Jodie, you generally sell pricing and gaza and also in the occupied westbound because well, what im a software is at the moment. Do what do you . Oh, i might see my can always question, i guess. But what are your main concerns, but you in this reporting that it is also now very dangerous. Let me in the west bank as well. We increase the productivity. Its incredibly difficult to be safe reporting on this area. Not only do we have, obviously, from the minute to launch has potential ground invasion, but increasingly journalist risk when theyre going out to report from potentially a, as people who wants to take revenge on gentleness olmos for reporting whats happening. Weve seen cases of done this, even in israel being pulled out of that cause being harass, being threatened. Weve seen targeting of minute tree, im sorry, of media installations. Prevent which would obviously prevent the media from reporting and guessing the news out. So its not just the minute tray route, risks that just in this space. Its also the threats and harassment from pups ordinary individuals from the police and others. For doing that jobs hiring, i wanted to ask you about the challenges all bustling, fake information to fake news if you liked has been a lot of concerns that may just social media groups like met the manage facebook and instagram. Ive been heavily censoring palestinian content in arabic can compared to how they do with content in the hebrew there is this need for freedom of information. How do you balance those 2 needs . It was supposed to go. There is no for the entry access or journalist to got out of the west bank fast enough. So i think is one way in which uses being sense that there are only some sources that can, can work there or showing this dont have access. Certainly you might have received another because of that of social media platforms are taking down post in the case of mecca. And there was already a adjustment or a decision by tone oversight, board, about distortion of removal or ballasting and post metric games that it has to but not improve its content at policies, content, moderation policies. But of course, something just do coming in and its very hard to judge what is actually happening because all the social media platforms, as you know, have very take ways of managing content. Why dont we default so no. Is the states a number of european states, for example, have tried to stop protest, procurement palestinian protests have tried to remove, for example, or punishing in a flash when when demonstrate design using that type of censorship is of course not reasonable under International Law on the ground i can just only just imagine how terrible it must be for john, it is for us to resulting for someone who likes more to try to do that. He has fixed very rarely, has there been such a demand on the cards for this evening of june. This from the ground, but seeing and free access to media should be a fundamental requirement in a situation like this because thats the way from diverse so that 3 guys would be able to make out what is propaganda. And what is fact at the moment . That is not big enough place right. There is a blockade. Nope. Justin civilians not just in many candidates. Also access. Jody su wants to comment on that. I wanted to comment on that to, to, at that point because of the quantity of missing this information we are seeing. Thats why it survived so that we have up to reality of media covering this conflict is why were particularly concerned that the committee to protect done is by threats to, for example, sensor to 0. And it is really important at this moment in time where people have finding it very difficult to know what to believe that you have a to relative media able to report what is happening even in the face of unimaginable threats and pressure. And jody, i wanted to ask you as well about joe and list operating in israel. Somebodys railey june list have not been able to question the actions of back country because of the atmosphere that it is right of your either for us or against us at the moment. What are you hearing about that . Were having similar concerns that people have been interested in for asking questions. Thats the job of done. And this journalism is to hold power to accounts to all difficult questions. Its perfectly possible to do that and remain patio tech remain a citizen, a real country. Um, and you should not be so rest and or prevented from doing so either by the government or officials or by the mold myself. How can i ask you how you would have so many interviews with for media or many dont speak to you until as a conflict in the palestinian territories. Well, what are the sort of Biggest Challenges you face in the ignorance you sometimes come across . We generally see riley speak to well, as you said, we never looked at them the never interviewed unless something is happening. So isnt it . And i mean, uh before this world war to started before its months, weve lost in uh, west bank 248. 00 by the citizens, including for the children. One of them was only 2 and a half years old. We had set, let, has been in houses that last been in good cars attacking communities. No, none of these for the and yet know this, but he had or even practice really to, to, to do part about that. Very few, if any. And, but thats one example, one son is that our lives had, or once something happens to, is that. And then everybodys here that theres the 2 extra unfortunately. But i want to add something about the silence of silence exhibit and understand those things to people. And before this effect started, we, we know that there was an act of intellectual internal being practiced by different and scientist organizations, im sorry, i missed a lot of these in Different Countries of the world. The best example of that is gemini, about to try to say something, i mean, immediately attacked by this lobby, forcing people to design from their jobs for attending them, etc. But its now gotten much worse. I think the basic upload, so i need you on the list to explanation. Any who doesnt belong to either side is to be balanced and the approach and weve just had in the process of which something that is taking place. I do this, im not anybody but the secretary general of the United Nations. Good. That is, was just there to say that there is this, have the tap into the back your mind. There is no compassion, america, or the United States as much good as occupation in the United States as much that ive said less about because he said that now that a witch, hunting him and the foot in the minister of visitors in the United Nations had the god, yes, to say thats what im now on. There is no place for balance positions. Hes saying and thats only a fascist, would say that either you i dont know what a side completely or do you out on a oh youre out. Oh or in a me. So im gonna have to cancel that. Let me mention very quickly, a few things. First of all, just another start. Im not allowed to guys or no, no, no, so out of it out of there. But getting a list out, enjoy those of them. They will not let them go together except of the outer behind those that are in the army. And this data failure, the automated spinning, the 2nd, the now i just didnt go a journalist in the bank. People who have been met, even people who have been interviewed just going in theaters then i noticed it because they had expressing their views. And then i think, i think the stuff that i do, it was very clear to him. He, when he thought that the killing of his family was an act of revenge because of what he has been doing, honestly to report to whats happening and good guys. Okay. Um, i mean polarized media environment is not unique to israel, of course, but theres a level of conflict intensifies. It doesnt it . Of course its 72. 00. And that is why i want to re emphasize the importance of human rights, human rights versus the obligations of state stockholders and rights is also a universe. So theres a right to meet the freedom independence, free to run a diverse media. And that has been denied that has been, i run rough uh by uh, these really authorities and others at the moment. Uh, some of the things that, which i think is a very, very dangerous president that is being created here and has been over the years. I read that attention to the kind of thing and prop and the position that you brain wiped out for other conflict and not both. Theres a lot of attention to them at least, and i hope that this is not going to be a transiency. It has to be solved, theres a deep root causes of this conflict that continue and the victims of that are the civilians. And because thats a People Living in the west bank, this problem has to be solved. Otherwise, i think the International Community is only creating more problems of the future. And jody can i ask you about that, as well as the challenges of reporting and such and such a polarized media or environment. This is something unfortunately we saying internationally, its particularly acute in this conflict. Its an environment in which people, uh, highly personalized are highly personalized attacks. So in addition to all of the physical attacks that people receives as honey past nice attacks for those covering the conflict safe from outside garza and the west bank and. And its really important. And i, i want to emphasize this, that the job of a dozen messages go out and report the fives. What they say outside we always talk about, you know, job is not to, to take 2 views about whether its raining is to go outside and tell you whether its raining or not. Im not really important. Its really important that we recognize that the job of done and this is to report the facts and that people should not be targeted either physically online, harassed or receive any of the mistreatment for doing that. Jobs a most stuff, a very quickly the last the last question to you, but how challenging is doing palestinian diplomacy at the moment . How difficult, easy to get the posting invoice. Uh to start difficult about theres nothing possible and nothing good. This green us, we will keep doing whatever we can. Well keep trying to figure out that the, the, this black forest of misleading information on separate occasions to bring that to light. So to the people to bring the tools to the people and i own was said to my colleagues, you need on the to do 110. So for those that are is due because the truth is on our side and i think we should not save any moment without trying to do that because this is what could to protect the lives of people who are being cut now out on the clock. When 5, when every 5 minutes of understanding and is, couldve done every 10 minutes up on a student to try and lose his life. All right, folks were out of time, but thank you very much for your contributions. Thanks to i guess, to jody ginsburg, the stuff about gucci and irene. Com. And thank you to for watching. You can see the problem again. Any time by visiting our website. Ill dra 0, dont com. 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Arbitrary security checks the day, the old deal, especially for Young Palestinian men. I didnt do it. You asked me for my house and you say theyre not going out unless they have to to avoid arrest check points. And harassment from angry is really odd. Non side tells us he feels the situation has less than to palestinians. On sunday he was chased by launch group. This is randy settlers, one on his way to what i think his rating supermarket, the Security Guard came over shouting by pointing a gun at my face and forced me to the ground. It was discrimination only because on palestinians with formright groups quoting on his re lease to its hind palestinians, they come across regardless of age palestinians, a walrus that theyll be collectively punished more than they already have been the no laptop in israel as the bombing of guys that more than 7000 palestinians have been killed in 3 weeks upon box. The hello, im down, jordan, this is out as they are on life. And also coming up. 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