Its very unfortunate that, you know, during this era, this, in a peaceful era, mostly for most of the, well, theres one place where its occupied and theres a par see. This protest is organized by several humanitarian non governmental organizations. But the lady just Political Leadership have always been consistent and that support a palestinian right now. The government said that condemns killing of all civilians, whether its raise or have a senior. And, but it says it will maintain relations with the political wing of homos to find an immediate solution to the prices and god, and Prime Minister on why brian says this humanitarian crisis could have why the repercussions on international relations, if its not resolved quickly, florence 3 out just a rough part of the war and in canada, the Prime Minister is under pressure to do more to support palestinians and gaza on friday more than 30 members of parliament. Rosalies as a just intruder cooling for a cease 5 to protest is also took to the streets across the country in washington dc hundreds, much towards the us capital. Many contain the billions of dollars of military its given to israel. Every year. Similar matches were held in other cities including los angeles, new york, in tampa, and about a 100000 people have much through loans and to show the support from palestine, police forms they would arrest anyone supposing some months. Thats it for me tell me cry. So now youve been watching it, which is there a special coverage of the war in gaza. Its just go 9 city gmc, thats 12 30 pm and gaza, which isnt during its 15 today. Office riley, phone, 5 minutes. Well have more news at the top of the hour as always, a website has much more stakes you inside. The bottom line is coming up next. This is a region that is roughly develop thing, but its one also that is afflicted by conflict. Police perhaps. We try to balance the stories, the good, the bad, and the people allow us into their lives, dignity and democracy. Asked me to tell the stories a hi, im steve clements. I have a question in the region and across the world. What are the repre cushions of for mazda is attack, and israels war on gaza . Lets get to the bottom line. The. Well, if anybody thought that the palace spinning is really issue, could be contained or kept quiet forever. The events of the past few weeks have shattered that notion. After the mazda attack of october, 7th, they killed more than a 1000, is released mostly civilians. Israel launched a massive Bombing Campaign across the gaza strip, killing thousands of palestinian civilians, mostly women and children, and displaced half the population. Israel has also cut off food, water, and electricity, and us precedent. Joe biden spent 7 hours in his real expressing his support, but also asking is really not to be blinded by rage. When he got back to washington, he made his case to the American People for billions of dollars in new spending on his real, bundled with ukraine a. So whats next for the people in the middle east . And despite his over whelming military power, how much leverage does the United States actually have . Today were talking with daniel levy who was a long time negotiator and advisor for the as really government during the hospital peace talks. And hes now president of the Us Middle East project. Daniel, thanks so much for joining us. Let me ask you, how should israel respond in a way that you think would be fair and just im afraid i talk to justice to that question without acknowledge the we should never have been in this place. We should never have been in a situation where the cost of which you cannot leave the palestinian situation to test your kind of half palestinians to day after day. We talked with your decade off the deck, you do not have to have basic watch leaving it in a regime in which that freedom is a do not that com and that the dispossessed it, as there is a good reason that it has students, human Rights Groups these re issue and watch groups, and then obviously International Cuban lights, which made it designation. The crime of the project was being committed by his right against the past. Now, none of that just as well. But those of us who will play waste american administration, we dollars to get to the root cause is how can you have also be besieged . Of course, now the nature of the blockade is, is even more, up to 1617 years, cause it has been onto this problem and of the system of to an envelope of control by age where israel measured exactly what the code is going to go out there was a fruit freedom of information, requests for all these race which revealed the, these right, the policy was to keep going to just about salvation. Now that is gonna blow up its blown up now. And the question is, do we still stay stuck in eclipse . Where is roka leads the only a military response that only by black shooting, the Palestinian People is into submission. Will they will they will, will they accept moral occupation or were going to deal with policies. Now i know that that call the politics call the the only conversation and is. 1 is justified owes its own people that security, i think, is going to about it in the most serious way or israel notes because theyre been ongoing interactions between his route and how most most people have so many. And these ready security establishment set set cost. And we need a political arise. We could bring a box into that, we could offer an alternative to homos, which is kind of plastic count reset to try and pull the population away. But you cant just say, okay, weve created a military modus vivendi, and now we stop. We keep the policy and all sorts in the west bank week. We keep almost just at this level. So that needs to be a political concept to go with whatever military concept there is, either that involve saying, how much will have to be part of this . Thats clearly not where the narrative is now, because a mazda is being called you nazis was the nicest. Come back, that has to be a different political comes you and i have been talking about israel palestine for decades, and this large, the got shoved under the rug as the Abraham Accords were coming along. People began ignoring it and it exploded. And im just interested in what, from a underground tectonic perspective, do you think is realistic in the future of getting rid of this pressure and resolving this in any credible way. You have to understand a few things. First of all, there was an attempt, the nose in perfect wasnt gonna deliver total justice. It came with a particular moment where on the palestinian side there being a support for actually a deal to. But many palestinians will continue to reason a great deal. Just 22 percent of the story as fine as a potential future state without addressing the refugee displacement on the pillow. Come on board with that position to establish relations with america in the late eightys. So 2 years ago in 93, that gets put into the also these route to go through the 1st intifada. Logic on um, civil uprising, the extracted costs for ms. Ro, International Dynamics for shipping. And these are also, you know, maybe we actually have to do something about this house. The question we talked about it 1st. This is of a study is were going to use the po, american bowmans author, the code. And the basic deal is it publish the new party committed to negotiations committed to a peaceful resistance of this question. And americas role was to guarantee that the stock delivered, given the power asymmetry, occupied states, occupies people. The primary american vote was to make sure. Ready is ro would actually look back the occupation and allow for that to get our students that. Now that we go through various situations, all, how does one manage the outcome of america not playing a role designated for it not to quench . And we got more and more into fantastic. Fantastic. Im thinking that if you just addressed economic piece, which also never succeeded, but this was the american playbook for many, many years. If you built relations between israel and its naples, which one which is not the more, this was the trunk in approach. Then you could leap over the palestinian question and divide it ministration. Stuck with anatomy. B. O lives of nonsense to this approach and they believe there are lots. And they last, i contacted what was really going all the listing is the as america wanted to drill down into the nice thing that they did intend to do that they will do to drill down while still maintaining this, this notion that you call deal in a comprehensive fashion in an architecture that would include era. So you kind of had to move towards that under obama, with the j. C. P. O, a trunk pulls out of that. And if there was a shots for the, by the ministration to get back in, they decide that it is perhaps too politic, costly, politically difficult and they didnt go for it. And so what you have is us does not try to achieve a comprehensive di escalation, and you actually have Regional Access increasingly moving down all these roles, not being part of it. Because these rarely rom equation has been deemed impossible to improve with american and charging it up that, that uh, unusual palestine equation is rolled on. What to do is whats to continue dropped by make it was israel has impunity fast to america to do what he wants. And so youve had saudi and it wrong with chinese mediation, improve their relations, but you still have but us that hes trying to drive the path of escalation. I mentioned the 6 because if we look at where we go from here, we have to correct. I think the 3 should say use no one is the israel should be indulge any coverage down the pulse of deny policy, the rights of violating international robins and down a pop up result. Be the disposition of palestinians by quoting them. That rights. And i think thats, thats not a huge to substitute. Secondly, we have to address the fact the palestinian politics because go down this path where the polity committed to also has to be totally discredited. Somebody types of mistakes. The posting impulse has been divided. We could have seen america to capacity palestinian elections. I dont know if we can do that now, but you have to address the fact that the recognized policy and address does not have legitimacy with its people because it is being co opted into the american is riley occupation, superstructure and we have to address the statute coming, which is you need a region wide approach, which actually tries to get older relevant policies. You know, the french president is hosted meetings about iraq, but in both the radio, the gold space for the rocks and media china was hosted east torps as opposite america. Listen, not be bull montgomery and its policy defacto leading that direction and on the mind, the prospects for the region piece. What do you think the chances are of slipping into a world war 3 . I think we see a real shots. But the worst things get on the palestinian from close we get to a concert conflagration. And or the other question to austin. I know say this is the case, but i think it should be in the mix. Is whether these race, like look at this and say, is this the opportunity to actually try and address not just how much, but has blogger and all the things. Because we know theres no framework to try and achieve loan. Some of the standards weve, these actors, theres just the standard. Theres no frame american race, here we go out, people, lot u unified behind us. The west is backing america. Its positioned military assets directly in relation to this escalation. They will have to be drafted because the narratives and the american politics is playing out in that way. All europeans blanket attracted. So each row may be tempted to go for that model has although many of the military will say that unsafe the why in the hands of doing so well recently bought that temptation i think exist. And thats remember raul as all the assets in the region, whether thats any rock were seeing so much and in that from whether thats the on. So let me see movement in the control that much of. Yeah. And whether that sincerely up close in lab, and then as the region is boy. So youre going to have public support truck or to configuration and robins and step backs with that. And i think the American Private messaging is to step back from the knowledge. The slick, if you dont get the power steering from time to control the dollars around the control and stuff thats really good, which is then you really risk this border escalation, i think the bike and visit it did speak to performative american domestic politics. But i think its up to the concerns that they have bots. I dont think he made any progress because yeah, thats the blonde. See. The american president goes all the way to his route and comes back on the scene. They can talk to these 20 trucks, 20 trucks, a few minutes every night, which as of us speaking still hasnt been allowed him to you. And secretary, j 6, our general and the us, you about a terry officer. So you need 450 trucks, right . Day, not 20 truck seats. 20 no worries. A few minutes every night. That should be what a junior desktop is. He said to the region to get maybe a Deputy Assistant secretary of state on a bad day, the president of the United States. And i think the world looks at this is wow, these guys cant control their allies. Power of these guys palpably wilting in front of all. Very nice. In the past, we saw that there was enormous Jewish American support for what is real dead. It was very hard to touch that, but really ive seen more divides in israel and among the Jewish AmericanCommunity Since early january, since the debates inside is real about it, supreme court, about the solvency of its own democracy. Youve seen more divides, it least ive seen that inside the american debate about israel in its future in what democracy means and should look like and include, now you look at this horrible attack and the response to hum us. And we see a kind of eruption on College Campuses in america. We also see a 300. 00 Jewish Americans arrested on the steps of the us capital. Basically saying our blood is the same and they dont support the actions is realistically inside of it. So it is drawn thing up, im interested in your perspective on that and whether something has changed in the terrain. And the topography of classic support. And i should note that if you look at the merits support and you pay american support today, over whelming public support of israel, 65 percent of americans support israel. Absolutely. 8 percent say you should publicly criticize what israel is doing. 23 percent. Say do nothing. So in that mixture i just want to be clear that americans are very much supportive of the steps it is real as taking now. But there are these pockets that surprise me. Of people looking a little bit differently at the terrain as well. I think theres, theres a few things to be said to see, and i think it would be staggering if that only did not show what you shared with us because of the really less media narrative. And the way that this is being described as that was that the nazis, this is the 2nd holocaust that worse than die space is online and level. This is dan 911. Im now i, i, i actually think thats a weird way to describe it because hes riley, is that a military regional superpower to describe this as a holocaust . I think what is on holocaust revisionism actually a box. Thats how its playing out in that media landscape. And this little Public Opinion is, is where it is. Now, if you remember, there was massive support for the war in afghanistan. So the war in iraq and that it rotate and that they rotate and people soul without leaving United States. Now it also had you been polling a few weeks ago in a different reality and then a different media last day. I see what i saw was the American Public shifting, very beset in a different direction. Questioning america as well. And this, the questioning is ro street that was to use and that was especially true, all democrat voters. And that was also true of the American Jewish. And you know, the American Jewish community is how i think maybe the, this is, this is how its hunting and several levels of just what happened is verandas, the a, just a democratic who with the, with the victims in the 1400, these where you casualties and in those being taken prisoner, you know, this is, i mean it doesnt matter who they are, but this just happens to be a lot of folks from people to folks who go out to a raise on the sabbott. So its not the religious group. So to those who the more reformed secular kind of liberal america would in the, in or out to suckles. No, no people spinning back is a community how you have a palestinian hired, the american Muslim American community. Were seeing the indifference to palestinian life. Seeing what is happening, daughter doesnt, doesnt justify what went on on october 7th. I think the president managed to talk and then once human tubs about our about a senior and americans, he still failed to talk a warm human terms about the power stevens on the ground with dying. And so thats the landscape in america. But as you say, it comes against the backdrop of for months, american jews. The vast majority looking at is looking at a government without the racist people who want up right now. Have the weapons to is ray, the civilians, to go and do that was who were carrying out. And this was the language being used in his role in the west port robins against palestinians. And they will end up senior ministers who have plans for the mass expulsion of palestinians. This is now all of these writing out that that needs to be a 2nd mass ethnic cleansing a 2nd. And they will say, wow, whats going on . Whats going wrong . Now i understand that theres an immediate after october, 2nd, but i think a lot of americans, you look at the deep malays this, it, to speak of the page. You mean nothing yahoo is really disliked not to not. And they wonder what becomes of his route. And the other piece of this is these rails, each has a strong country, is taking a tremendous fit. And a later you can re establish that just by just by seeing more, how does the blog, i actually see what you have to demonstrate today is that israel could be a small strategic p full understanding of the environment to see. Because if we really look at israel in that region and say these guys are never going to accept this, we could never live then use this for collective Jewish Security now. And in the future im, i think what it would be great to have is a responsible adult is israels closest ally who can speak at least in private and get just far enough public to that conversation, im asked conspicuous. The felt to do so because if hes been you nazis less than isis, then youre on an extermination. Just pop and then youre on the road. Let me ask you finally danly daniel and, and very quickly is baby netanyahu strengthened her weekend to buy this moment. And when you look over time, you know who, whos, whos got time on their side in this conflict. Nothing. Yahoo will have to have somebody face the music on how this happens and i think that happens the morning off to the dust settles and i dont think he wants to get to that date, which i think makes him a very, very dangerous leader. And he has no idea of the keys. You can be such a you to find car to offer everything the top. So i dont have time. Hes on his side more time. Might be on, on his side scarily, and i think im worried up to the palestinians. That could be an asset here at a mass displacement. And so i worry how much time is on the side. Even though i think there is a tendency dean. So in course to the very on top i was a worry with a time is on america side and let me close with that. So because i think the look, you know, america and the president s wrapped himself in the industry, civilization well meets us. And, you know, go usefully, the rest of the world doesnt see it that way. And i think america has done to main just stopped to his reputation because people were looking at the ukraine christ and say, we go to clock, you apply these things selectively. And now america is going out and prove it that way. These rel violates international. No, its okay, which they were doing on october 6th before that happens. And now theyre doing engaged with american v coast a resolution which is quite a small resolution secured and kept. Ringback negotiated also with the americans go forward by brazil. The rest of the world of the russian britain, which state is becky. America looks like an outline, not like a multi to be emulated, but like a country that is fundamental. Getting his priorities wrong and doesnt cat when there is a right effect across much of the rest of the well, we all see in america the looks like a woman queen nation. And i worry to that i worry for that reputation. Well, with that we will end this very sombre discussion here, daniel levy, president of the Us Middle East project and former adviser to be is really government. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank she stays. So whats the bottom line is really, is were hit in such a way that they thought impossible. And this fuels are outraged whether theyre progressive, conservative, far, right. Zealous. Wherever they are, they say they want, the perpetrators wiped out. But its not going to be an easy or neat process. An innocent palestinians are going to die by the hundreds every day. This could escalate and i mean, dramatically escalate and in the west. Its hard to imagine that cooler heads are going to prevail. My guests to day daniel levy has always told me that the palestine is real device is never going to simmer down and just go away on its own. It will always come back screaming back unless its result. The events of this month really prove his point. The conflicts, the dormant and low level for years and years, but now its back big time with or without the hamas attacks of october 7th, its hard to be optimistic that its going to be resolved anytime soon. And that sadly is the bottom line. The assessing the discussions as agents, we used to say theres about 50 percent of which are smuggling is going to die. Examining the headline, wheres the central population is responsible for 50 percent emissions, which has created this crisis, exploring abundance of 12 clause programming, designed to inform the move to face identify the way my story was, i felt that it was important. I did fax on algebra. 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According to the un, since the conflict broke out into down in april, more than 700000 people have flipped the country. Most of them have flipped the chatter, egypt, but now some are arriving here in libya. Some people bring his food and more sap, but its not enough for all the children. If the fighting continues in neighboring through that many fear that could possibly be an influx of refugees and possibly fighters crossing into libya. You image the yours is libya, is not a safe place for refugees and asylum seekers. And that they try to give assistance to those who are the most vulnerable. But for the women and children here, thats just not enough. The of the clock, this is in use on line from the home. Coming up for the next 60 minutes. A cafe in a shopping clause, or hitting garza dozens of palestinians are killed as israel steps up its foaming campaign. And his ready air attack kills 2 people in the janine refugee camp. 3 more die and attacks across the pipe. 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