Hello and welcome to the program. Im for the back people. The us has firmly back to israel during the war is launched against guys despite an intensifying humanitarian crisis. For the 2300000 palestinians dropped in the besieged territory. Since these are outside of nation in 1948, the us has been its biggest donor of military ages, provided funding and arms and conflicts that have killed thousands of palestinians and made refugees of millions visiting 10 of us present. Joe biden, personally reassured, Prime Minister benjamin thats now of continued support israel as they responded this attacks seems to me that have to continue to ensure that you have what you need to defend yourself. And were going to make sure that occurs a binding arrived in tel aviv just a day after the worst thing that attack carried out on guys i since october the 7th. Heres what he had to say about the hospital strike. This is deeply sad and outraged by the explosion of the hospital and cause of yesterday and based on what ive seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team. Not, not you. But theres a lot of people out there not sure. So a lot of them have overcome a lot of things. Before we go to our panel, lets speak to alan fisher in tennessee and tell us more about what came out of this meeting between biden and its now, is there any shift at all in the us position . No, theyre, theyre fairly behind israel. It certainly it was israels intention, after what happened at the hospital and guys to convince the americans that they were not responsible from job items, comments that appears. So that wasnt much of a heavy lift that hed already decided from what he was gathering. And certainly he has said that the information he got from the pentagon would suggest that the is really, were not behind it. Hes talked about how his support for israel is steadfast. How do they are fully behind what the and about to do . And as far as taking on her mouse and the guy so strip. Sadly, he would like to see some humanitarian, a getting into guys a. But what is interesting is that in the past when there have been conflicts in this area, us president s have tended to use the word risk stream asking both sides to exercise it. That works has not appeared in any statement. The job i, this is me. Since the 1st commented on what happened last saturday, just hours after the event. Yeah. Is hes had a very middle to say about the policy and in the, in those comments, how is this all playing out in the beach as well . He did say that how much was not the palestinians that they did not represent the palestinians, and the spoken about innocent people and getting caught up in the fighting. But people in the region in the autumn countries are particularly hungry. That america seems to have taken israels side, particularly with the growing number of bodies piling up in gaza. There is a consent that he has perhaps been blinded to the fact of the humanitarian crisis and isnt doing enough to the to these relays that could have long term implications. We certainly, so there was anger towards joe biden when the 3 out of leaders, the president of egypt, the president of the palestinian authority. And surprisingly, the king of jordan, who is a very close us satellite, decided to pull out of the meeting with him. That was settled into mine after his visit. Here it is real. That shows the level of dissatisfaction, the are with the you extra points not least, the fact the job i was not prepared to call for a c spine in the audibly. Theres felt that if they did not do that and were standing next to joe biden, when he did not do that, they would almost be complicit. And what many people think is about to happen. Alan fisher in tennessee. Thank you. Lets meet august in ramallah in the occupied westbank we joined by de la area cod assistant professor of conflict resolution and diplomacy at the american university. Delilah is also economist for our codes newspaper. In washington, d. C is highlighted again, the senior fellow at the middle east institute and author of blind spot america and the palestinians from ball 4 to trump, and also in washington dc. Phyllis ben is a fellow at the institute for policy studies. Think time and International Advisor to the jewish voice for Peace Organization finished. Let me start with you in washington to understand why weve seen a visit of support by President Biden, to tennessee to israel even after the massacre at the r audi Baptist Hospital in gaza. Even at a time when the region is boiling, why, why is the us so committed and supporting as well today . Thats a very long story and we dont have time to go into the history. But i think the question today is the consequences of this visit. This bear hug, diplomacy, and that weve seen so far means that unless theres a public call for a ceasefire, which i do not anticipate, we will see this visit is going to be seen and should be seen as a real endorsement of israels continuing attack against casa there are likely to be vague references to urging israel not to violate International Law or expressing some kind of concern for Palestinian Civilians. But the reality is that the bombing is continuing. Gaza is still under a saw and threatened with a, a ground invasion. And in that context, the violations of International Law are already under way. So what were seeing here is as much as anything else based on us policy, ext biden is proving once again his own pro israel credentials. And this notion of the, the extreme one sidedness using the, the language teams is just an expression of that. This is not going to work unless theres a call for a cease fire. If he had any hope of seeing this as winning any level of support in the region or elsewhere, khalid your thoughts and extraordinary show of support from the Bottom Administration at a time when the us should be calling for restraint and the keyword restraint was missing from those comments in tennessee restrained is something that previous administrations have used on of calling for both sides to, to exercise restraint in past escalations. Why has, by not done this a, be a, the, its actually been quite shocking to me is as an analyst to solve this issue for, for many years. The absence of calls for us these fire, the inability to articulate even an expression of a basic human end, but the for, for cost. And in addition to the, the, the, the inability to, uh, to, to burge, it sort of create red lines and heard israel to show restraint. These are all. Busy things that had had previously been a fairly standard of elements of, of us policy in times of crisis. And even going back to the 2nd intifada during the height of the violence at a time when her mouse was blowing up the readings and get to re is in the us officials, even the president at the time was, was able to uh to i identify the uh, the red lines uh and her to israel to exercise restraint. Were not seeing any of that right now. And the danger, of course, of giving israel an effective green light is that were likely to see more and more death and destruction. Why . Why do you think were not seeing that right now . Our domestic politics also at play here with the election coming up next year. Its domestic politics. Sure, but its also the person of joe biden. Hes deeply, personally very committed to his real views expressed that many times and, and i think its sincere and i dont believe that hes just pandering. Of course it doesnt hurt in terms of domestic politics but, but there they are. There is a, theres a real inability to just see, not just palestinians, and theyre suffering. But even in terms of the long term consequences of this, i mean if you look at this rationally, maybe to rationally and imagine well be that the extraordinary pain and trauma that palestinians are experiencing right now and the anger that, that will turn into. Its hard to see how anyone would imagine that this scale of, of death and destruction and gaza would ever bring anything like security for israel. So there is a kind of suspension, even of the ability to, to reuse it for in the long of the, uh, let me get your thoughts on this. What, why and what do you make of this unconditional us support for israel . We heard by them say in tennessee that he would continue to work with partners across the region, but do they want to work with him . Does find his embrace of israel, set him on a collision course with our latest or what i think what we have just seen is another example of, of the us shielding. Is there any word, crimes against the Palestinian People last night everybody has watched. Im not that good again. 500 Palestinian Civilians mostly children and women. The least we had expected from the 3rd by then today was condemnation of the states or the nice that are by israel as so as long as the u. S. Continues to the word that is where any war from that gives the processing and people that is what it is would continue with infinity. Massa cutting the palestinians. One more thing thats we have to focus on today. The framing by then had tried to mislead the audiences and so forth thing, but its really not. Is it by saying that this instead weve had to send me info, and i want to remind you of studying of the autism are there when they massacred student laclede. They said they had evidence is it spends if i, if we didnt see any evidence when they labeled 6 palestinian human drugs, theyre going to, they send us that. Or if they said, we have evidence that it is all this tied to spend. The reality is they want to mislead the audience as this is the methods, the palestinians and gaza are being massacred, genocide, what time for this basements and everything is document that who are living 2023. The whole world is watching. Diplomacy has failed. The Palestinian Civilians and got the 2200000 inside the city and 50 percent us prison. 1000000 chosen are deprived from want the middest center for electricity wise. And then as our community is watching, the community has an obligation on the article 146 of the 4th geneva convention. They have to search for the criminals and hold them accountable in the crime. The Palestinian Civilians are insights of the protection on the arctic and 49. 00 of the 4 geneva conventions they know and has an obligation to enforce humanitarian its of the palestinians. Besides the inspired the for the extent of the civilian. Let me come back to my question and you are right. The americans have said that their National Team would look into the explosion of the hospital, but it seems that present biden has already made his mind up as to whos responsible. He said the other team and his words coming back to my questions a lot. What about our beat . As we seen them not by didnt cancel the meeting that was scheduled in jordan. Will this at the fostering and position by the us to put the, put him in a collision course now with the app . Well, this is what i dont know when i didnt mind the worlds leaders of their obligations under the funds. You know, conventions the elevators are also included. The palestinians have gone into 30 years. This process, i shall go for the beast, process for 75 years. For gods sake, we have been suffering injustice and during the injustices on the upper side x are the same, continues the tensions confiscations of lines that the elements and subsets alert that are all under the package of, of the prolonged is very limited to the occupation. We need to address the, whats the cause of the to thats what are witnessing continue with series of war crimes are being documented on every spin. It is time that evidently, that every member of the state of the you and mr. Invoke article 25. Every country is now applies to acts up on the words and the Security Council resolutions. And during that time there is additions by that i think the other thing is that the positive people have id, id just have determination. Id i the defense and advice, the resistance. Yet what we are seeing, what we are with this thing, hold on, hold on, please. This is after the invasion of the deal of the sunset in the middle east. We are what the thing i change or the deal politics map at the expense of the palestinian blood impacting the processing and peoples to the 1000 to start and i. And then the scenario of the fact that a loaner project will continue to the west bank in the hopes of illuminating the palestinian cause. This war does not, i guess how much its not. I guess we got back against the policy and cause it gives that kind of thing and people, we have our eyes and everybody should stand for their own obligations. Phyllis, are your thoughts about what the law just sit there and, and the us position . Is it likely to ever shift, or are we going to continue to see this bipartisan policy towards israel in washington, d. C. For a long time . Its been the case. It was somewhat of a belief under the by the obama administration, because he didnt have good relations with mentioned yall. But it seems that it doesnt matter who is in the white house. The policy stays the same. The policy has been consistent for many, many decades. The so called special relationship between the us and israel that began around the time of the 1967 war, began as a military relationship and more into the broad based political, diplomatic, economic, and political as well as military relationship. We see now the United States tax payers are paying 20 percent of the entire is really military budget. I think there is one thing we have to keep in mind about this question of a ceasefire. What is most desperately needed right now . What were hearing from all palestinians across across palestine across the d ask right everywhere is an immediate cease fire. We have to recognize the u. S. Has a history of rejecting cease fires when there are International Calls for a ceasefire when israel is involved. And this goes back to 2006 and 11 armoire in test led against gaza in 2008 and 9 in 2014. Again, in 2021. In each of these instances when israel was at moore, as they defined it, meaning they were attaching palestinians. There was a call for a ceasefire, and the us to answer again. And again, we dont need a ceasefire yet. Meaning not enough people have been killed yet. Were facing that same problem now. And the challenge of facing people who are protesting today in washington who are out in the streets on monday will be again on friday, is to demand an immediate cease fire to break that refusal to call for a cease fire on all sides. An immediate cease fire right now. How did your thoughts and whats happened highlighted to the voices of progressive democrats in congress, who want the us to take a hard line with israel over its military assault on casa, whats happened to that . Well i, i think, i think those voices have almost entirely been silenced in, in large part because of the, the initial attack in israel by him ask the for other than the scale of it has, has really silence people who might have otherwise been more critical of of how israel has conducted itself. Were starting to see some pushback. Now there are, there are more calls from democrats for, for a ceasefire, which seems reasonable. But part of the problem here, it mean this goes beyond the United States. Most western nations have also failed to call for a cease fire. And thats different than in the past where, you know, as phil is mentioned, it was usually the United States kind of blocking or dragging their feet on a ceasefire. But there were usually alone. Now there is a kind of chorus of western powers showing on restrain solidarity and support and unconditional uh, endorsement, really of, of what he 0 is doing on the ground in gaza. And to me, thats even more shocking, because essentially everyone is being ruled by emotions and there are no, you know, quote unquote grownups anywhere who, who are able to see the, the, the horrible human costs of whats happening but, but even the medium and long term repercussions of serious erosion, its not destruction of western credibility as a whole with regard to anything resembling a rules based order. I think it will be impossible for not only because the indians, but arrows africans, latin americans, asians have ever to take the us or european nation seriously. When they talked about human rights or International Law or, or any of those things that have been completely thrown out the window, in this case, the law, your thoughts about this as yes. Go ahead for this. Go ahead finish before i bring it up. Just one point on what holly was just saying, which i think is so important, just coming back to the us side. It is important to recognize that eric has been now a unofficial resolution introduced into the congress. Calling directly for a ceasefire, very carefully framed to not try and win over the views of what started at whose fault just calling for an immediate cease fire that now has, i think, 13 co signers. And it reflects the fact that there has been a movement focused on changing the narrative, changing the discourse in this country, which has led to a situation where as of about 2 weeks ago, the, the most recent polls were indicating that 25 percent of American Jews 38 percent of young jews believe that israel is in apartheid state. Thats because theres been a movement mobilizing with the press with congress after with the public for 25 years now. And were seeing that theres a threat to that accomplishment. But right now, i think its still exist and were seeing public levels of support for palestinians even now, despite the incredible levels of terrible press. Yeah, it is true that it would appear that more americans are warming to the policy and cause that, according to the latest kind of poll it, let me come to you now. As a yes. Kind of did. Yeah. As how did said things go far beyond the us, of course, away from the us today. Is there a single country that could be a fab broker, he a call for a sci fi that would be respected, agreed to by israel, and be a fan, honest broker in this conflict. So lets remind the American Public that this isnt a cumulative reflection of their 3800000000 annual the age of military age. So thats door to is where the water crime is of are being committed against 2200000 Palestinian Civilians living and a big present of 365 kilometers kilometers, mostly children. You know, i want to also remember that there and, and ask the doors american organizations for their voice says, i want to call upon old academics university. The Harvard School of negotiation. This corner is, what are the people who work for these studies on conferences . It was, and i am a professor of diplomacy. We have fans, our students. You know, i have looked into that you and you and talked to the International Law, the law, the fortune at the conventions that on the statute, i couldnt find one article that supports waiting for the admission from the occupier to let and the humanitarian a. What is the International Community waiting for . Why dont they send drones, send the immunization assistance and protection for the Palestinian Civilians to a 1000000 by the thing and civilians are being massacred on the screens and the whole world is watching. Diplomacy has failed. Humanity. Diplomacy has failed, the palestinian cause, it this time we speak of that through the please do not adopt the is really not active anymore. They are misleading the audience and its about time in 2020 feet to speak, that throws that the stories of the injustices and the endurance of end of the city and people have been enduring for 75 years without on the 16 years of those that live located on guys on its about time, would it recognize that god zones as a human beings, garza is bound to sign. This is not award between is right. Uh how much this is not against the guys are not gonna come out. This is against the palestinians. Out just have the determination. This is after on vision of the deal of the fence that is at the expense of the product in your blood. This is again, also part of that like sort of the process a campaign of by the thing. Yeah. Whole coming in the next year. All right, pilot. So what, what are your thoughts about what the law just sit there . She says diplomacy has failed. Has it, is there still room you think to get a ceasefire here and is there a country as i asked aloud, but could step in today and take that role of a fair and honest broker in this conflict which the u. S. Has been criticized. Ive not seen and uh, unfortunately, no, i dont see any uh, power that better to play that role. I mean and, but, but yes, there, there is hope for a cease fire there. There has to be, i mean, obviously theres been this uh, this death and destruction cant continue indefinitely, although it can continue for quite a long time. And thats why i was saying, how alarming it is that there arent any, dont seem to be any reasonable, rational people in the diplomatic world who can see that, who can see the danger is not just the, you know, certainly out of humanitarian level of, of, at the just given the scale of the attack and in all forms and its very clearly directed at civilians in gaza. But what really alarms me is big total inability to just see how this will impact any future process. I dont see any political process happening any time soon. But but let me, let me one other point because i think its important to, to mention the, the role of palestinian leadership. You know, one of the things that history tells us, the Palestinian People know this better than anyone else because of their history is when they dont have a credible leadership. Very bad things happen to palestinians. Think of 1948 thinks of 1967, and im sorry to say right now, part of the problem that we have, in addition to the abdication of responsibility by the western world, is the absence of incredible power setting and leadership that can advocate for palestinians on the world stage and that can seek uh, you know, diplomatic opportunities are right now. We have failed leadership both in gaza and im afraid to say in the west bank. Okay, let me ask a lot about that before i bring intel is delilah. How does says the absence of a field of a palestinian leadership has also contributed to the predicament that palestinians find themselves in today as well . Its about time we go for our unity, its about time we go forward, you need to get a reconciliation. And the end of the division my, my calls to the product in leadership of all defense political factions is to united united now because this has been a pretext, this has been the fig leave that has been used against us from the International Community. Again, they are looking at the funds saying theyre not the word fee of a palestinian state. Theyre not towards the of, of independence, an advocate mission. And this is assets back on the internal level about i recognize however, we need to look at the wednesdays of massacres. And war crimes of genocide on for the displacements as what of crimes which are being fitted with both an infinity by the community to a point to a 1000000 Palestinian Civilians are suffering under the is there any fire and you know the company, boeing, if an American Company that doesnt submitted to the aid of money from that for us that is putting into, into israel. This is again an International Legal coverage for the war crimes that ive documented on the screens being perpetrated against the Palestinian People and civilian i just would not be accepted. This would not be the latest, and this is not the only and god in the past week we have that. We have to have more than 16 months of in the west bank. This means that the thing is target no matter what you believe, no matter your are the other thing about that your color is red as target thing is thinking about this thing and theres a man is waging a war against the tooth, whoever, whoever tries to that was about to about the israel and its what a crime is being targeted. So is your thoughts about what happens next year and, and has present binding given the green light to israel, now to do whatever it wants in a gas, whatever. Whatever President Biden says, the, the image of his bear hug. Diplomacy is seen as a green light for israel to do what it wants to continue these incredible violations of International Law, crimes against humanity that are being committed. I think that we have to be looking for where there might be calls for a cease fire that can come from elsewhere, not from as how it says not from the us, not from the europeans. Right from the brazil is chairing brazil. Is the, the president of the Security Council the lot. Are you hopeful that a since i could be reached in the next few days . I, i hope so. However, it is really sad. Thats why we are waiting for a ceasefire. And thats what were waiting for action. The deposit action, millions of palestinians are to publishing and women and children are deprived from what the from little, from medicine, the hospitality, the doctors. Ill put anything in the hallways without the electricity and without anastasia. We are witnessing a human has thought, a catastrophe, which has the documents the on the screen. I look at the clear yesterdays hospitality that i live in hospice. And i think charles is that that is the head of the i click on search. What did he do . We need to hit it from the okay, when it was from the us, we did do it from every lead that it is not okay. That posts, but those are being thought to get. The people are being invested and what the crumbs are being documented. 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