Hello and welcome to the program. Im for the back. People is rouse, defense. Administer has ordered a complete siege of gaza. He says, palestinians in the enclave will soon have no access to electricity, food, or fuel. The territory has been under non stop bombardment in hundreds of palestinians and israelis has been killed. Since im off site is managed to infiltrate the southern areas of israel on saturday. Mazda is the attack, is a response to more than 70 years of occupation, and a 15 year brocade of gossip. Israel has responded by formerly declaring war. Its the most serious explanation in decades. But why exactly did this new war start and where does it go from here . Plenty to discuss with, i guess. But for us, this report from sy gale on the events of the past few days in the early hours of october 7th, a must mooch dozens of rockets from gaza into southern these ro the attack has been cold and im precedent. Itll peroration, let me. Yeah. And then i do show you that the outcome of this baffled is not yet revealed to the enemy. These radio Occupation Forces have yet to learn how massive this operation is. Once they realize the severity and outcome of it, they will regret it. To our brave fight is across the occupied territories. Youve proven that you have the resolve. This is your day to march forward. By october 8, has blood joined. The will. A senior official says his bite is will continue to support the palestinians. The history or the guns and the order work itself with you. Everything we have is with you is re Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu has vowed to win the will warning gauze and residents to lead that have more to how much we step in all of the places which commerce is deployed, hiding and upright, to enroll them. In that wicked city, i mean we will turn it into an island of ruins. Im telling causes people to leave those places now, because we will take action every what. As, as october 8 came to a close, the people of garza had suffered that deadly state in 15 years. Is ready as strikes hit, the besieged and plays from all sides, killing nearly 300 palestinians. We are banging the brunt of this attack. We have been witnessing a bump beings in a residential buildings every 5 minutes. The explosions are rocking every place and gaza targeted. No, no, police is safe. Yeah, i wish i could be a normal child living with no more, no rocket, so that we can return home safely. Hundreds of his release have also being killed. And its thought that at least 100. 00 have been captured and taken into gaza as the coming october days and fold. Its unclear how and when this will my to end, but the loss of innocent civilian life would like to continue. Sorry, gail the inside story. The as well as bringing our guest for todays inside story in run my line the occupied westbank is mustafah bianco. The secretary general of the Palestinian National initiative in boston is rami cory officer and distinguished Public Policy fellow at the American University of bay road. And in london, daniel levy, president of the Us Middle East project, hes also formalize ready, negotiator and advisor to the office. So former israeli Prime Minister it who is the rock. Thank you all for being on inside story. Mission will stuff about go to you in my life. I can start with you. Theres a lot of concern right now about what might come next after this to fries a time by hamas. Israel has said theyll be no food, no water, no electricity to guys because of this attack, how worried are you about . What might come next . We had absolutely what it and what you have just described to top know electricity. And also applies means that nothing you know is going back to think of an act of total collective punishment against the palestinian population. Im guessing, i guess 2200000 people, but most of them that this such as the government and theres that i and i in the system using the word fascist, is threatening ethnic cleansing goes to a point. 2000000 people. How close nothing, you know, 12200000 People Living in garza. A very small area of no more than 100. 40 square miles that they should leave their homes. Where should they go to . He wants to throw them in the sea. Where should these people go . There is no safe place of this very moment. And guys, a max record is taking place. No less than 570. 00 by this thing is that being tenants or 5 uh mostly um, probably 100 percent civilians including more than 100 of children. And this one good to know. Nathaniel whole problem is that you will have them bottom every house in augusta. How could zillow old accept this . I must remind you of that. 70 percent of the people. Those guys are today. The 2200000 people out of if you choose what ethnically class from there to that and 1948 by the is there any troops . Im now they want to instantly cleansed them one more time. The basic question here. Why do it . Why we are in this mainly because these are the fuses to in this occupation, mainly because is there any establishment refuses to end its last month of the furnace to many people in the system of apartheid that is much worse according to or the Human Rights Organization then the prototype system that prevents in south africa at one point of time. This is a situation that nobody can pull it up and nobody should deliberate and instead of the United States force and because it has to stop these must have cuz they are encouraging them attack more more the student will come back to the us role and all this in just a moment, but i want to bring in daniel, leading to the conversation daniel, these relays are saying right now that this is a response to how mosse is praise and attack on israel a few days ago, which so hundreds of israelis killed as well but how is that a siege of guys a complete seizure of guys with no food or water to palestinians, which mr. By go to . Riley describe, described as collective punishment. How is that going to insure a security, the security of israel . Very simply. It isnt very sadly in it is a hot breaking pictures once hot breaks to see what has happened to me, im a bunch friends to see what is happening now in gaza. Remote playing ball transpire over the coming days. But the sad truth is that that position is styles by these re issue is precisely what and so it means they have no i know that these are the most difficult days to. Ringback for those, so the thinking to to be different but a 3 didnt beginning 3 days ago. And most of our movie just pointed out who, who all these to point to be in, inhabitants of golf while 70 percent of refugees. Until how the students have security is raised from actually shipped black to use the equation back to use the intertwined face of these 2 peoples. I need israel fix that there is a military solution. Then we all condemned to really say, this kind of conversation again and again and again. But i, i hope this may be poly amish. People will begin to austin. So its, is this the only way every day, palestinians live without the most basic security predictability of life is res woke up, twitch for me on the weekend, but they have to stop getting it today. Its the is policy is going to be denied enough space to quest. You know, you have a very critical designation. The kind of a pop type is being created in terms of as well as the house. And usually thats the reality which palestinians then across geography, across the history, the people who live under those conditions before, ill have to use a close to them, take up all the resistance and okay, you know, the most frustrating thing today for the if i may just do 11 additional comment, the most frustrating, painful way of being wanting policy makers for g s. Believe every non violent avenue is closed. If youre not gonna hold these rarely accounts, but if youre not going to challenge yourself to change its policies to you and not the i c c to sanctions with how you sell your weapons, that you are leaving only one outlet for change. Im worth what they, rami cory, your thoughts about what daniel and stuff a banquet to you have said, what is your reaction to this evolving situation and what do you think and let us, let us of his points today. But i totally agree with that stuff. Im down, you know, as usual, i had one more dimension. Im the same virginia, boston and the United States is going back and forth to the place watching the events from here for the last couple of years has clarified certain issues that i think are really important. And they let the span of time to the palestinians. Ive suffered in the way that most of im done, you know, as far as the 5070 years since 1948, but it really goes back further about and what happened was when the british started in 1915, the colonial process of, of stealing boston allowed them giving up to the zionist movement, which was a very long to make a pain that just show up in europe because after some additional problems, this started a process in which designers of jewish people is real. Whenever cub primacy in this loud a continues today, here from the west, we see the United States something and they will task force. Now prepare to the fighting if need be, or how as you know. So the mental, the law, which is of the, is rarely designers movement has never acknowledged the palestinians. And israelis f equal rich. That is the sum of the monkey like we have a knowledge of cost and it doesnt recognize it. And documents and agreements and their actions, but they is rarely is that i have no. So they they, they had the power. Steering is now was about 10 years longer than the ancient exile, hebrews. And these are people fight back before i come back to most stuff, i just wanted to pick up on something you said rami about the americans, and they had deploying americans deploying in the mediterranean. Its not just sending arms to israel as they usually do, but a deployment in their words to contain the situation. But thats going, is it going to contain the situation or is it inflaming . Its more a lot of the martian perspective. That because that for me, yes they and so they are both, they might perspective. This is designed to some of the signals of israel that were with you. If you need assistance where theyre mostly in terms of supply some justice and stuff. But its also from the mac and you a 2nd story around the American Media and political establishing is totally obsessed with a lot of iran in china are now a stretch of the world. And they will do anything to say, oh, thats right. And its just, its really a demonstration of almost mass hysteria and we see it played on the media and politics. And by the way, the Media Coverage in the United States also reflect something really, really kind of life. I want to find journalism, choose United States on dream session journalists in schools, right. The way new streaming media is car. In this situation, its not with drugs against the standards are talking to mike and drones and schools. They would get an ass, there would be some interesting. Okay. Okay, let me come back to mr. Bond, go t. Uh, on the question of the version of the session that rami raised to some news reports have suggested that how mosque couldnt have pull this on his own, couldnt have done this on his own, and that it had outside help. What are your thoughts about this . And why should the time i was good talent for my new country is that it is a good thing the most held from the United States, which is providing because i know the most sophisticated military equipment and this government up photos that i enjoyed having 200 nuclear heads, you will be on credit. That is not a simple thing because it is United States. Its important because it or is that i, it has uh, an amazing commit to where to go support all over the world. So why shouldnt come as good, right . So good support for them. Something like this. I think its a, its a very, a unreasonable question. You expect this you do you expect the support from, from outside countries, tomas to continue in to become more visible . You know, let me explain any of the 2 issues. First of all, palestinians i have not the line going on you, but the big question, the big less than deadlines. Wheeler and especially after the normalization of a lot of companies with those are, is that police would only depend on our so we should be sensitive. I and we shall desist with our own abilities and thats exactly whats happening today. But on the other hand that you saw fit on is the usually it is as it is, reminds us with the, the is the behavior in order was they all of us try to find our country to blame and claim that. But this thing is out of followers of the company. First it was the soviet union. And then it was egypt. Then it was cd. Uh then it was it, i can, i would say it on and maybe tomorrow it would be i was going to be jan. I dont know, but the reality is that and the other aspects of this is that they say that they wouldnt make be so solid yet area and was behaving limits to live with is how it was through this, this event. And this new or my put that on hold. Dont you think the normalization with the salary loosely . Yes, absolutely, of course. And now i actually, one of the reasons of whats happening today is that the 1st instance that data goes as being montana lies and nothing you know, and as far as going to the United Nations and getting the map of israel, including annexed west bank, annexed gaza, and next, the golan heights, as well as a general. And so the message was clear. Ive not been here on smoking each said that no place for by the student steve. So what do we live in a statement of situation of enslavement. Let me ask you why by which no, and the old account 3, like is it a which is ok you buying costs declaring war on our 2 by 33. Its amazing that this was allowed to happen. Nothing at home, in my opinion, is a criminal. He is that i need to do anything to save himself. He is really talking about a studios and is what it is. I know that hes thinking now the risk of getting, is there any present noticed a lot in as of right. Why is he doing good . He doesnt care about the people he cares about himself, about saving himself. This is the most opportunistic criminal leader ever. And me that is Daniel Daniel levy. Let me get your thoughts on that. On the end game here for that, you know, and this is really government, i know you were on the inside, but with the previous government. But you might help us understand what the thinking is right now in israel. What is the end game, you know, with this new conflict in guys that is it to reoccupied guys that oh, is it more than that you permission for the if i may just comment on a couple of points raised because i think the other thing that these events remind us is that the Abraham Accords in the normalization took some stuff, but just reference. This is not making peace in the middle east because this is not between war and policies. This is law i, brittany, americans are told themselves and told her, well, i think its appropriate when you get caught up and youre out of lice because you lose. I called you lose touch with reality. Normalization, of course, dont address what the problem is. They address Something Else altogether. Now, i think nothing. Yahoo is probably say who sells . I do something expect talk to. I get through this military thoughts. But each route is face. Yeah. Well, well see is a staggering face of all the tablets of intelligence and all the military. I might think it would be a mistake. If i may just suggest, is that the problem is not that yahoo, hes gone, but its been focused on the tradition logo. Ready you know, people remember that with these, we keep protest against what they will because you legislatively. But the problem is that theyve been focus too much on the sectors in the west side and they havent paid enough attention to call this narrative exists initially. I think thats the easy go to place, but it ignores what i think is a bomb or fundamental malays decomposition within the system. Because these rel felton here are these, these routes found the palestinians. We got them back easy to manage. The world will let us do whatever we want, the palestinians say that needs to be taken seriously. We should wait an hour period. Ready quiet, we can friends of those away by just doing all was never trying to take any Political Initiative because they dont even recognize the cool problem here were policy and dispossession. And so the dc missions, theres hubris mason as well. So if we go the most amazing Surveillance Systems and then dont pay attention, but actually in a symmetric wolf that you dont need to go to, to talk with your assessor, you need to be able to do all the states. And america here is the greatest empower enable. Oh, that hubris. Because america tells israel we have your back. Now when america goes, looking for opportunities to demonstrate the issue restrictive, its all when it finds all the countries it can wait for 3. But how the surrounded by next to kind of durham was when hes reading dont using this kind of hubris. It has a next a central problem. And i tend to think in the days of occupation deluxe may be over. Okay, let spring. Uh run me in on that, run me. Do you agree . Do you agree with . But daniel just describe that he thinks the days of occupation may be coming to an end as a result of this attack and being so in going cost. Yes, i think its becoming clear that the dimensions of the nature of the longevity meaning what kind of this has just continues to do the practice still pockets inside the southern issue where findings going on the consequences of this enormous. And we wont really see them after some days or weeks, but this doesnt here the uh, the, the nature of the palestinian governments utility has been shattered. The nature of is rarely a doctrine of military force and mowing the grass. Im starving palestinians that has to come to an end because it is by far the work, the nature, the idea of is really superior guardian of instability has been shattered by the way our so just to american urban Police Forces were still living through is really police trying to think twice i havent seen was just stopping now and the nature of the american western british and other support for israel and anything it wants to do from walking the i c. C. Investigation that in the change that has to happen is the, the invisibility and powerlessness mobility and the synergy suffering of sending people since 1915 of the hands of british supported on the later american support. As i have colonialism that has to change into a situational kind of go through a piece wherever the people of israel and the state of israel and the palestinians of their people, the ceramic safe, all with equal rights. Weve made this offer the writers have repeatedly mega. So for the 1st thing is assigned back to the how much time agreed to go. When he entered into negotiations, thats the actions due to ality and visibility is about us, the names. What the, the ask you this because you talked about this a little while ago. The question of normalization. How is this going to play out originally . In the next few weeks, of course, because we have had some, our countries that of establish relations with israel, the u. E, for example, the Biggest Country in the region. Saudi arabia was reportedly on a past to normalize relations with israel. That as we said, might now be on hold. But where does this leave the other countries in the region of these are the, the palestinian issue in the palestinian people. When you look at the countries, you have to look at the leaders. I have to look at people, have the leaders do what were saying . Power to make money, to have an end with jar pressure, especially the continued to do the people of the region, not just the people around turkey, other people in the world. If you look all over the world, Public Opinion support equal rights for the product in the 100 pounds is renters. Were not talking about certainly, as rarely is. Im at least were talking about living with the israelis. Im 1000 isnt totally equal, right . And resolving the cost down refugee issue, which was the beginning of the core of this problem. So the normalization, the things that go out a pretty this be on some Stock Exchange pricing increases from companies owned by people in leadership positions. Im going to do this on north america, so im going to are not to worry too much about it. Because the sources of what im asked has done out of the implications that we will see coming out of Popular Support for what hopefully my translate into a new political arrangement and the region that does recognize the launch of process in general is that for switching mass support them out to who will spill over into the leaderships. Okay, mr. Most off about go to let me come to you now and ask you about a points rami raised. They said that this is these events of the past few days will no doubt change the nature of palestinian governments. Not interesting. The weve hired very little from the Palestinian Authority in the last few days. Why is that . Because uh they have had that on the line um the marginalized now um does what i had also made to the amount of generalized amount as much as possible and then look at one of them and the they are now at the cost of the either the drawing, did people on support of that item . The best thing is to resist and the engage an action that would lead to unit deal by this demands around the program of struggling for our rights. Or they wouldnt be much in the lives completely. And. Busy i think what we need now is that, or that was for me that you need to government. What we need now is the unified leadership was ordered by the students to go to that. But its not so different what the site not going to be. So good, its a good it to go to the nation with diesel q biases, but also they should put aside at the in depth. And the vision would come us and accept that we are all in one unified leadership and put it back to the ground floor, the democratic city elections. And the people chose the trip down to what i was going to make one more comment. Go ahead, daniel. I think its important. Ready points out for you guys as were talking with seeing the europeans and all those great me to cancel that 8 to the palestinians and i think its in that context. Ready to realize that the west on these question is during itself such as the service if it wants to be taken seriously as a normal to back to the not the space is talks about international talks about the role is low. Ready i know this question, its not, but the rest of the wells supports the specific action this weekend. I think when you see the images, you recoil from that just as your shot of what is happening to the civilians in dawson. But if youre going to uphold international law, if youre going to claim that mantle you do is consistent, not means you cannot indulge israels violations every day of international. Youre kind of in dont the world war, nothing yahoo is just promised to commit. In gaza, you call have it both ways and you cannot pretend that you are indifferent to be indifferent to what has happened to the palestinians the day off today, youre off the decade off the deck. Thank you so much. Thank you. 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