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As a journalist, youre always pushing our boundaries we are the ones traveling the extra mile where all the media goals. We go there and we give them a time to tell their story. So dont think of history of activism is really to now the point b generations believe it is the time to fight for more people in just society. Welcome to generation change a global series and attempts to challenge and understand the ideas to mobilize around. So im and that chinese and independent journalists base to independent in this episode, we need to limit for working towards radically change to address challenges as varied. It tend to be silence plots and racial inequality and Climate Change. The limits, aol born off to 94. 00 at the end of apostage. What do you think people dont know about the role of women in the struggle against upon the its i really think the way in which history is told it serves a purpose, right . Which is also to reinforce, you know, a male dominated, a presence and power structure, right . Basis, reinforcement of these marches, right . These men who come and save this valuable group of women, which has inheritance a wrong and falls, women organizing treasures stuff fails. Trade unions, women wouldnt need to be carrying the country on the pads and shoulders. However, history continues to make that. And i think what that does is that it continues to pres uh, alienate women, and their contributions and making society with the political, social, Even Economic the were here at the constitution hell into ahead of spoken, particularly in this structure. We are at the womens jail. Why is this a significant space for you . What i think about the caliber a woman that we incarcerated in this place. You know, it literally just brings me in, or its the persistence of women writing themselves in, into history even in the absence. Right. And for me is a young feminist as a l x who was that has been really political and crowned in my own activism as a new generation. As the woke generation, we must never ever get tired of developing resistance strategies. I mean, if these women were able to organize themselves, i know probably one of the most difficult conditions. I see no reason why were unable to achieve, you know, the idea of bullying. The biggest feminist global move you are now 26 is even an activist. Since he was 17, what was the sort of compelling fact that made you think, you know, i wouldnt be and there was a case i go by the name of, i mean voices and waste in case she was making to take the entry or she was like oh my gosh, im susan teen, shes 17. She was killed on the lights out and i was thinking about all the times. I like to jump. Okay, know, to go out with my friends. I could happen to you didnt happen to meet those just so much. You meet those in similarity almost a decade later in the im the, you know, the chan found of the black women. Cool cuz the, the or the features. 2 what ultimately black women focused seems to do is to really create for society feels like we dont want to move as violence presents society over time. We want to be comfortable. I mean, im things like i want to be able to hold on this piece, which i had is great and not to worry about. Am i get the 17 and youve already been an activist for a few years. How did you start . And what was it that made just so started in 2018 when we would talk to do some research on how to change. I do a lot of cabinets, itc, movie, facts about how we have limited time and watching my future fade away as houses are environment, the kinds and what is nice is my activism. Was the society to do everything in my power to create, to change the well, i mean, some people will say that you know what . This stuff is for people who can afford to have 5 different bins and recycle. But, you know, youve spoken to the fact that it does affect people who, you know, live in the townships 4 people. The 1st time i came to realize the seriousness behind environmental racism that i spoke to. A friend of mine who said when she was very young uh, she had to live with a grandmother. We stayed in to wakefield and we say she develop of reading difficulties as he is doing, she moved back to the service. Everything was fine. And thats when she made the link back to the equality is a way to was so terrible that she developed fast enough of that. And you can make that link with a prostate how the composite government basically the so that is one area and invisible. Another area and how do you prefer one a and gave life to full that land that belongs to the citizens that they just, im good areas. And even though we live in a place to party, south africa that neglect is so carried out. The quote has been rewarding and that you would consider, you know, big or small in achievement that youve been able to kind of get to with your, with so far as i wanted to, instead making things impact my life is when someone will come to me personally and say thank you for teaching me this. Ive learned and now i know better. And now i can do better. I think the biggest challenge i also just thinking as i purchased a lot of activists around the world, i dont have that privilege and the space is the same line. So being able to stand up in front of college and speak your mind as soon as they approve digital. So they get treatment. When you, once again, you prefer listening in, depressed, responding to come out in articles. The sarah, youre 17 and keep them into your 26. Im wondering for both of you what you feel be defining values and elements of each of your respective generations activism. So okay, um, so 1st key i belonged to the 1st cohort of the born freeze, you know, the generation that was just born of the democracy in south africa. And i think for a large, you know, to a large extent, our activism is really centered in crowded around holding, you know, our democratic government, accountable. Right. Hoping for a, a significant change in the Living Conditions of use and just the population more broadly. So we do borrow a lot from the answer Party Struggle in terms of the music, the songs of kind of the struggle songs that using and also some of the organizing and mobilizing strategies. You know, were really still focus intends on mass Space Movement folding. And this is quite a, within for the fees, most full student perches, you know, across 26. 00 institutions of higher learning, which saw University Students demanding for free the colonized higher education. But of course, you know, the success of, you know, moments such as fees was for a large, the attributed to digital and online activism. And how that has also helped us in terms of shaping our own narrative and sandra. You know something about that, but you would you like to add . Yeah, i didnt z, we grew up in the age of technology, the world of social media. And that came with a lot of benefits in terms of with mobilizing people internationally. And especially now during a pandemic, what social media is also support is lots of inclusivity because you moving away from just said main stream media narrative. And you embrace thing at a diverse range of narratives and you getting to include so much more within your activism. So i think the inclusive routine that social media has brought has been a key and defining factor with kinsey. So thats it, as most recent, used to lead to Mass Movement towards fees, muscle which as you mentioned earlier, was the fight to you know, gain wide access for free and do you call it lies, tissue education. What do you think it was about that movement to get them into that made it resonate so widely with our generation . I think a big part of fee is most full beyond issues of x is, was really holding all governments accountable to say, to what extent are you prepared to sacrifice an upcoming generation of young need as an active is purely on the basis of you know, keeping openings, deliberate about keeping it commodified a couple, a couple its and as a race has a system that continues to marginalize and exclude lex children specifically from institutions of higher. Let me say a, you about 12 was 13 when this was unfolding on, you know, the news media. What did it mean for you on a personal level to see young people really, you know, rise up on such a mass scale. It was really inspiring and is watching history and fold red before my eyes. And while i didnt understand how the, how complex the issue was back, then i understood the surface level of it. But diving into activism, the fees must, will activist. So one of the most inspiring activists that i look up to, to give you permission to be angry as well. Yes. 100 percent. And like i said before, that im good, just ignites of passion to stand up and fight me, get them into your as you t shirts to help you. Uh, the found the in fact, if the black womans quote could switch among the many mandates you have um, is looking into eradicating tend to base 5 minutes. Can you talk to me about the myriads of silence . Is that so African Women right now are facing . I mean, when they speak about in the base violence, of course, you know, the mostly needed understandings around sexual in physical forms of violence. You know, and this is, and this makes sense. I mean, south africa seem as a real capital globally, not a pretty tight to have on by the way. Our familys side rate is 5 times higher than the global average. Right. And so understanding around doing that, the silence in families that is really being within, you know, that conceptual framework. However, as black women cool, cuz were saying that it is, its a service for us to reduce jenna based violence in fame aside to only physical and social forms of violence. You know, political violence, economic violence, environmental violence, social violence. Oh, violence of the country pizza, the vulnerabilities of women. And its important that when we find solutions and we proposal who says that they must be multi pump and they must be caustic so, so that theyre able to address the sources of silence. So can you give me an example of what that work looks like or how you bring the solutions to the public . Of course, a lot of the steps and Research Done in south africa around in the base findings has attributed to a womens economic participation as a mess. Them try the alignment, been to, to teach in the base violence and same aside. So in 2019, on the 13th of september, when we much to the rich a square mile in africa, incenting demanding greater participation from private states in terms of, you know, their response to getting the same silence or ultimately saying you need to also be able to do, you need to be held accountable for womens economic viability. Because logically, when we think about raping fame aside, we always think about it within the consignments of the whole. Right. But the moment we made it the business issue and economic issue, were ultimately saying that the continuous subjugation and violation of women, number one cost the south african economy between 20 and 40000000 read annually. Right. And that also means that part of our, as part of our mobilization and advocacy requires us to make structural changes soon. Right. It looks like you had something new and yeah, 100 was in it need systemic change to you. If you just bring change on one surface thats of is, is wide spread. And in order for structural change to take place and the most effective change dictates it needs to be systemic. It needs to be institutionalized. So hopefully you addressing every level of the problem. Yes, 100 percent farrah, you started climate warriors and youre a part of the collective movements. Tell me what collect of movement is and what would you do with it . So the collector woman is a youth lead in to sectional time in the group. And we in to achieve time of justice to social justice and vice versa. Um, so its a group of young activists. And recently i work as well, being on social media and online because its a pandemic. So this year we working on time to change through a pen african context. So interviewing or having discussions with active us from uganda and kenya. And just for the now perspective on time to change and how the policy making takes place in different areas around the world. And different challenges and coming up with solutions. And then also spreading awareness and advocating and pushing for the time it just as taught to movement, to educate as many people on the time of change issue and exposing the intersection now that you needed and bringing about in case of a team within the time of justice and movement, why do you think specifically in the south african context that Climate Justice have taken a backseat to other issues such as you know, the ones that can do minutes and i were talking about. So i think in the past, obviously if youre looking at a pre democratic south africa where people are fighting against the positives, redeem and fighting for liberation, come and change, understandably so, is going to take a back seat when you fight them to be free in your own country, um, but if youre looking at a post apologies out africa where we living in a democracy, i think theres a huge sense of apathy from those impala that 50 the people in power, putting a profit before the people we living. And we stuck in those capitalist months. It another issue is the kind of electricity rates in south africa, extremely low. And that comes down to an educational issue. So apathy and the lack of time and literacy coach could you visit . What do you think of the intersections between Climate Justice and the other kinds of justice that you know, your work strives really interesting. Hey, i really like the fact that, you know, preaching time adjust this with social testers. And i think for large, you know, for a long time weve thought about kind of just as a stand alone kind of, you know, struggle, you know, its like sitting in the corner and nobody really wants to deal with it. But its been very important. And its been a, quite a big eye opener for me myself as a, as a feminist, as the work weve been doing informal settlements. And how, when you spoke about liquid c uh, environmental mix, see how you know useful struggling to make the connections of community. They will between the environment and social justice planing, solved for one of the communities that be working is called cuz of out of pocket for most estimate for water and sanitation breakdown in infrastructure. And just listening to you can really see, you know, how kind of justice fits into that dried. But i do believe that to a large extent. But the kind of Justice Movement has positioned itself as quite a wide elite movement. Right . It is a struggle to deal with a very concrete conditions that an ordinary person in south africas face say, but i think in a country next out of africa, we need to be able to root and crowd of ideology. And the advocacy in the live experiences of people on a day to day basis, stair, what do you say to this time of change for the long this time it has seemed like a very a privilege issue. If i am starting to put food on my plate, why should i care about the quality . Why should i care about this on the beach . And i think that comes on to the need for climate conscious media and was kind of conscious media inclusivity. So looking at Climate Change across the world and, and also understanding that solutions that may work in the west on going to work in africa for various reasons. We have different economies, different policies, different governments, different histories. It just would fit. And i think was very vital when looking at time of justice and time of change is looking at it through an intersection of ladings. So instead of separating environmental affective and the social factors, bridging them to get a close kind of justice and social justice engines, a team, things together to bring a valid positive change by tackling one that solution is going to affect the other in either a positive or negative way, depending on what the solution is. So if youre looking at time of change, geographically, time of change is going to this proportionate the effect for a black communities. So within your activism you need to take within time and activism, you need to take into account causes and racism, sexism, homophobia, for example, its a Natural Disaster would to strike those communities would be most vulnerable. And if you look at the way society treats those communities now imagine how much was its going to be when a future Natural Disaster is needed and needs to be brought to those communities. So advocating for human rights, you can pick and choose. No film of oppression exists in isolation. I wonder what you both think, you know, the possibility of achieving your ideas of what a just world looks like. What do you think the inputs in implications of can elizabeth has underwood fits you do get to me is that what im picking up is that capitalism inheritance the, you know, glorifies the individual, its limitations. However, in activism is that activism is not a one man show the rights and unfortunately, capitalism has created and is continues to grow up uh, civic action and civic and civic interventions and presents them as one man shows. Right. When we have this model that comes out, you know, this, you know, it has a intended sensation that comes out and is going to save the world, you know . But i think what that does is that breaks down organic Movement Building strategies, right . I dont think we have any strong tangible movements that are being, you know, that are being nurtured, but instead, what were seeing, were seeing individual active is rising. And listen, im not saying its a bad thing to have the popstars of a movement image. Theyre important. They keep the movement funding dynamics, but i do think its important that you lose a activism in communities because these alternative realities thatd be once you know this into capitalist reality that we want to feminist into fictional reality. Thatd be one is not going to be forced to buy an individual. It needs an active, you know, it needs to add some input from a collective in order to drive that monday. And i think this is some of the critiques of capitalism in full, chasing significant extra 1st work. Yeah. 100 Percent CommunityCommunity Based change is the most sustainable and effective change in the long. And if youre looking at capitalism in a capitalistic load, the most ideal position you can be in right now is to be a white man. And that breaks down so much, it breaks down the feminist movement and breaks down any movement laid by women. Capitalism brings the system of any college. And so its always going to be if im winning someone else is losing. And like you said, its a very individual a glory, finds individual work. And that is extremely problematic. Its also very problematic to have one face represent a home meant because it excludes people that dont match that face. That doesnt match the demographic. So yeah, definitely not common capitalism is the main cause to atomic crisis. Sorry. Can i just add onto that . Do you know, i mean, im reflecting, reflecting such an important aspect of growing and as active as we should never stop reflecting. And when i think about, you know, the until parties movement. Firstly, i know for a fact that many people who participated in those movements and those forms of resistance will not participating because they were individuals that they were idolizing is because they felt a strong sense of, you know, personhood. I mean, the issue is affecting me directly, therefore i need to actively participate in finding the solutions. And i think you know, the idea of the glorifying, of the individual grubs as of that. And i think our communities of a big to hold as grounded to hold us accountable and to make sure that we are working and living within the ideals of the i of, of, of the move and said, we were present. Well, i guess in closing, im curious if, if its not clear so far what you both hope to achieve and if you feel optimistic about, you know, being able to actually achieve those things, keep them. Its a little perpetual optimised for see if its disclaimer. So i definitely do think things will get better. I do think that, you know, we need to intensify our demands and struggles, but also change all of sites of, of, of, of, of oppression and 5 to right. Ive seen so many times you know, what activism and how we, tradition of, you know, activism to be said. You take to the streets right, to get all the messages across. And although that is important, we also need to see some radical advancement and transformation in the policy and governance fee is right. And so as black women cool, cuz you know, at the heart of the solutions that you propose as a social movement, is the realization. And strengthening of feminist movements, which are going to flow stuff, immunization leadership, we need to see an emissions of new radical feminists need, is really shaping the world to where we want to take it. Right. And i understand the needs that weve got the right energies. Weve got the minds weve got the hots and the steward farrah. Oh, like i said, any as time and inside tea. And the only thing i can sing onto is that time and inside his optimism towards the future, it drives me to constantly wake up and makes the decision that this is what id like to change. And this is way, you know, that could be the change one to see an advocate for the change that youd like to see. So i think a main goal is to just did the same urgency that we are carrying today with sending that to the hearts of our government. And i need to ship to the mountain to kind of emergency and to attack all of the social issues that weve unpacked today. Because once again, social justice is kind of justice and vice versa. So yeah, i think unification needs to do a case like today, between the generations and just, you know, keep the energy, dont let it die. I feel going up what social media you see, activism tends into a trade and then it brings a lot of performance of activism and every yeah and every month is a new hash tag and something use trending. And, and so treating activism and social issues as a trade make it, keeping that advocacy along constant action that lives within your hot sara, get to answer. Thank you so much for joining me and generation change. Thank the across the us, millions of americans rely on conservative talk radio shows for the use of the detainment, diesel fuel issues for real people. The listening post tunes in us is talk radio, evaluating america. There is no room. And thats not how democracy works, is really just acknowledging differences that, that are already there. 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