Most powerful politician, but iran con the countries former Prime Minister is now in prison. His supporters say political persecution fuel his arrest reactions are mixed particularly in light of his contentious legal battles. The arrest comes a head of elections, which some fear could lead to social unrest. So will this end him on cons political career . And will it further deepen divisions among pakistans Political Parties . Will discuss with our guest software, this report by contra lopez, holding out pakistans, former Prime Minister in brown con, knew his arrest was imminent before being detained, and sentenced to 3 years in prison. He recorded a message urging his supporters to hold peaceful protests. A good offer, who can you . Because if you do not stand up for your rights, you live like slaves, slaves have no lots of their own or who slaves the like and so on. The ground demonstrations followed with con supporters, calling his arrest warranted to this. So i think his arrest is part of the conspiracy. People will hopeful when were on the con, was Prime Minister. Now that hes no longer, you know, face people are worried under this new government inflation rate to the old one side of the 70 year old cricket to your turn. Politician is accused of solely state gives to receive those Prime Minister for his own profit from high end watches to jewellery, worth nearly half a 1000000. 00. Concepts the allegations are politically motivated and led by the military, who hes openly criticized in the past. You get on to the system where the, the Prime Minister has the responsibility. But he does not have the authority to implement his policies because that authority is shared with the ministry. The military has repeatedly denied any wrong doing and says its not trying to stop him from running for office november, some members of rival party, se cons actions have that fired by the, by the judge is the one who is based position to make a decision. But mr. Han should have shown some resilience in politics. He started picking fights with people. The minute he came to power, trying to coordinate people and making enemies. You should have shown some flexibility. Its the 2nd time this, your con, has been arrested. He was detained in may in a separate case that sparked widespread on rest. His supporters came out and the 10s of thousands. But now its unclear of this conviction will end the political career open of the most famous men in pakistan. Katia, look this up again for insights story the the. All right, lets bring in our guess theyre all joining us from pakistan. Sundown. Our goal is our con, joint secretary of the Opposition Party joins us now. Thats a mon cons party to be clear. Pack us down to reach in sauce time worked out for you are with the pakistan peoples party. You are the minister for forest and wildlife and send the province. Also, joining us is as the machine of founding director of verse, so consulting firm, now you had a policy analysis there specifically on conflict for june, the and violence. Welcome everybody to the show. Shut down and goals are kind of if i can start with you, have you received or has your party received any information from him or on . Caught himself in the last 24 hours since hes been jailed. Yes, his lawyers went to a went to see him today in uh the optic j where hes being kept. But unfortunately his lawyers worked under way without them being able to secure the power of attorney from him. So probably try again tomorrow. But this is justin long. Another incident in the long list of persecution, of which hundreds uh, that is taking place against the ground on every president. And back as don, according to the constitution, has the right to have him loyal and access to the due process of smell. Not allowing him to meet his lawyers and be able to sign that power of attorney just tells you what this is all about. Whats his legal team going to do . I understand they are appealing, am i right . Absolutely. They all going want to think this is a facebook, josh went sorry, go ahead. No, i was just wondering what was the legal pos for them and for him wrong con. And its funny because you know how you have this done. Can go to court when we bought our own, and thats called a Facebook Court at the trial judge in this particular file form or private assembly. And as i said, the real time it is 10 bronson. P pulled up rather juvenile posts on facebook, making caricatures of fi normally. Thats fine. We dont have a right. We do have a political opinion, but not when you have the judge presiding over in brown fonts case, many scandals took place. The judge tried to do need his account to try to delete those pictures even now if youd like to facebook within 90 days and still have access to our records of full force, what we all have, snapshots of that. So you can imagine how that particular dispute started then in a case like this, a sham in which one is accused of selling is the one property uniquely acquired judy paid taxes intruded, im declared, hes not allowed to present witnesses in that particular case. So what do we do . Convo as to the, its not about high court and he puts in the revision application. Thats why said that hes been singled out in focused on for not being able to present witnesses in his defense and the case in which hes been charged by the state. Then the sub on high court gives a week for a week to, to allow him to process this entire application. And all of a sudden the same is done by the high court decides, in order to try and port to finish the heading within a day. Which means he has no witnesses, no defense, and they can announce his punishment down the rest. So everything at this point is impudent. This case were lots time delay to stay in any high fault and focused on all of the Supreme Court providers con me. Theres noise and he gets to sign his power of attorney. Okay. Um, and it is certainly the case that many lawyers, including in pakistan that have been interviewed by pocket study media have said that there, there are many issues in this case about due process and weather iran con, receive due process. In this case, thats the, the case that there wasnt any due process and we had to get, of course, and we understand that thats your point of view. The substance of this case is another matter we can talk about that little later if youd like. But id like to get, bring in time more top for, as i said, governing a member of the governing part to your administer and send province. How do you feel about him are on con, being jailed and look, this is not. And now youve question. I understand hes a political arrival, i understand theres no love lost there. He is. However, the most popular politician in the country, and i wonder how you reflect on that now that hes in jail. As far as the book youre like, youre talking about is much the doctor right now because its, well heres one, hes one most of the elections he ran and recently it is easy. Its not broken anymore because hes come out to be as of minus who was bringing him, send back to the jet or the Prime Minister on the cost of the country. So we have never seen in the history of bucksta and some of them compromise on the principles of the country on the economy of your country. He did all he took to hurt the country and is going to be on the people north. But he wasnt, that is a very bad effect. So now because you know me, mr. Car has been that a student since hes been at us and that has been no protest anywhere, nor piece report best nor piece for rodneys. And that makes it way through. But hes not very popular anymore, and you should also keep in mind that the person offers members of parliament is former federal ministers is going to administer, have on the left him and deserted him and they made a new part to you, so much silent. So you will not call him popular, i believe. As far as is a conviction is going to is concerned. We all know of anyone how got up to you was we have proof of all of the kind of these done. Im a no point addition in buckets done at do, did has a better for them into the use of corruption which mr. Han and uh wanted to be set into what were gonna be sending to. We have the proof that and, and always taking his course of course as a bucket started, he has the right to defend himself. He has the best lawyer has been down working for him. So im sure there is no way you can think of something and just bring along with him. Of course he is, the person who said even for everyone behind bodily needed put up incidents that i didnt behind boxed is a system for you. Ive got to say about behind bonds, you know, i should even ship by save money given that was it wouldnt be on boss. So i think its a desktop is on the poison jesus, i get the way right now. Yeah, thats a bit of a trend. And becca, stan over the last 1010 plus years just over 10 years. I mean, 3 pakistani leaders have been barred from running for authors by the courts. Of course, the wrong kind is the latest before that there was the b, b, s use it for as a galani ended in midland, noel story. So its certainly not something thats just limited to monica and something that does seem to occur pretty frequently. Impacts us down is the machine by turn to you, mr. Top where it was telling us that m on con is no longer popular and that hes isolated your thoughts on that. A nice thing mister toddler is wrong on that subject. I think mister han remains quite popular. As a politician, i think we have to, to understand that mister con also was no exception to the way focused on the voters have reacted to governments before a few years into a, into a government. The a and a sort of incumbency effect sets in and the whole districts questioning the performance focus on the democratic continuum is a bit of fragile construct. We have not had too many democratic transitions in the last uh it since 22008 is so the last 15 years. Uh, and we have seen the fbi info and then we have seen the bmw 11 fall and we have seen the bpi and butler must accomplish no exception to the systematic trend with a Prime Minister doesnt get to complete his dom. I think it is of both actually plausible an idea that mr. Khan had lost confidence of the people. And mister con, however, the vote of no confidence douglas got it out, was what got it got about it. I believe mister cons popularity back and this is validated by the research that we do on Public Opinion surveys or so. At the moment you have a voter in focused on who is young, who is new. This is not the same, but this time there is a high a for the, theres a highs, a percentage of urbanized mobilized young voters who absolutely want to have their d a at the ballot box. And the demand for an election and buckets on never even higher than it is now at least we can see and be so local because of democratize media. We know that we of the vote as well. So i think we just have to understand that that in one province, the province turned on as strong. Mr. Con probably the games, a lot of popularity in the punjab robins, which is the province which mr. Uh collins barty has govern for a short period of time. There were issues and, and, and thats where his popularity has taken a little bit of a hit. However, he does remain very popular, but popularity doesnt necessarily translate into constituencies at the ballot box. And mr. Han loan back in 2013 in the election so well hold on a point of correction there in the last, what is it been 12 months ever since he was ousted from offices Prime Minister, his party has won the vast majority of the elections that they ran in yes, the and, and i think that is the, what his popularity does translate into the ballad box as far as hes concerned. Thats my point. And i think that if hes not on the ballot books and the political body doesnt, isnt allowed to run, isnt allowed to contest in a free and Fair Election environment, then there is no guarantee that your visit, Mister Collins, the supporters will be able to go stifled that is the point that i am making and 2013 on pause is also very popular. However, his message, disney resonate at that time. So the farthest on a boat, or is it the sony water who also wants accountability . And if Mister Collins is pop in right now, its because the bucks on the border is sending a message saying, we bought in election, we want a democratic continuum and we want our politicians to start working with each other to send down. I goes or con, whats the strategy for the p t i . Now, from what i understand there was already a plan in place and to have a committee essentially, to rule by committee after mister con, would be arrested because this is something that he saw coming. Whats the place for you now . And so um, but uh, beachy uh, the bike, synthetic and sauce and jamal based on me, i only 2 boxes, or at least that are a significant uh, have a significant amount of funded was in voters that are non domestic. Foxys the rest all of that and grandfather, the grandmothers, son, son in law, sister on carlindo, etc, etc. These are not demonstrative keys on parties, nor is there any demo democracy and focused on right now is just a bunch of families. And they want to continue to as soon as they are, unfortunately ballpark is done. So in our case, there is a, a sequential, a high all cooking plan, and that is working on fox thats set up. Were working with ensuring that time is going to get to just as he deserves. Having said that, i was this thing that we missed. You might be something with a, with a lot of interest. And i will say one thing built conduit when pretty much all of the by elections, even though the entire government machinery and theyve all the fighters put. And yet that comes with it. You know, the gum, the bum. Uh all the stuff has been boys against him. He was nearly, uh, not nearly, i mean, they were 5 assassination attempts on him to this point in time, were witness to some of them. They have been more than 200 cases in which he has been indicted. And the entire reason that is happening is because of his unprecedented popularity, the mistake that was made by the medium, the score of the circulation of these people who used to hate each other about 18 months when a little dry. Gutierrez tried to quotes, and now the best strengthens the problem here is the following. Not the had an election impact starting in may 22 a 2 months after they removed con, there mightve been a jobs for a government for the mandate. And they could have performed what has happened and focused on last of the 16 months. Is that where on the verge of bankruptcy show, we havent defaulted yet, but the people have defaulted. People dont have food to eat where going . So a 50 your and for some dented stagflation, as well as in station that is getting the regular jump. So it hardly matters that the 5 percent in fall was thing that things are fine. And hunky dory, it is that very popularity at the ballot box that has some scrambling spoke out. Well, i mean, for gods sake, they found the critic somewhere. They paid him and he, they got him to say that hes living in sin with this very much my advice. So it is a case of desperation. The slightest mistake x 5 is edited and josh, one to whatever that may be. Constants to be as a beacon of hope for regular pocket studies, and not just the man on the street, the man who has them all by phone. He stands on top with the front seat able with the women with the elderly, even with the times. Im for well, fox, that and why does even with that simply because jordan called it and im finished, you focused on came out as one of the top 3 economies and we talked out on has as with numerous mistakes sort of been made. But the mind is genuine to a cause, and that causes back as time on as being equal. Its all being done. And so were trying to and ill give an example, a brief one. Im one of the very, very briefly what is the question . Sure. If i could just finish that 11 of those people who is in trouble for not taking a bribe can named names. I can give you numbers. I am, i have been off a dozen times to leave conn. And when i refuse to do so, i was charged with sufficient. This is what is happening on the ground, unfortunately, to okay, let me take it over to mr. Tell for our 2 other guests to mention the importance and the need for elections, right . The people want to have a voice and people want to go back to the ballot box. Now there is a huge question mark as we speak about the date of the election. I dont want to get into every little bit of detail about this, but it has to do with the census and whether these elections can be held under the terms of the census. That hasnt been completely finished. And theres good theres, theres a redistricting that needs to happen by the Electoral Commission which is going to involve constitutional change, etc, etc. Several types of steps that will take several months. The bottom line of this is that we dont know when the elections are going to happen. Whats your do you know, 1st of all, when elections are likely, um and also do you not think that this is a little bit troubling, that a popular Opposition Party has been thrown in jail and just at the same time, a caretaker government is now going to have to be put in place to oversee elections, and the result of that is that on an elected body is going to run the country for an unknown amount of time, even as an opposition figure has been silenced. A mr. Uh presgraves as that is being very clear. I didnt very wilkins. Thats even loved except anybodys in the coming convictions. So uh now that november 8th then. Okay, the, the committee of common interest had a meeting and they have decided to agree to the nuisance of which were not very popular. But because the decision has come, mrs. About has been very good. Hes a given the getting inspection that it has to be the election has to be in the next uh, 90 days, max and we were suggesting 60 days. But the next injunctions is that they need a minimum of 90 days for the next. And so we are very hopeful that it can go, but itd be on time. And this is what soon as the economy of the country, this is worth a bunch of stuff needs president elections been in phoenix and, and as far as people in the boss of concerns, its been a very common we havent been fighting it isnt president stuff ready for collections when he wasnt buying but uh, sold it and shaved benefit, but go as i bought and still have many other leaders. So if you end up, you know, if they believe kind assumed buckner, no one has bought the buck stops, and it ends up. It is going to condense, it will have a symbol. And if it still has supporters, were going to be very happy to accept the switch them out. But if you havent heard the b, but weve got a card in which i am wrong, as you did before, this is the, the question is people who come out and fees for the purpose. But nora should be in nations and no city in any programs. Add any major needs or any support against us around con, which means that he is now alone, honored by himself, and very few people like most so not i assume theyre standing besides in that list have left in does that to them and sort of the kids as i can judge, im in fairness, in fairness, were recording this 24 to 36 hours after mister con with jail. So i think it might be a little soon to say nobodys out in the streets, protesting in his favor. Maybe we just give that a little bit of time before we, we assess whether, you know, hes still got muscle industry. So my question is the p p. P. Afraid of going head to head with the p t i in the next elections which you have now said should be happening within the mandated to 90 days. Because again, and i, and im sorry to come back to this point, but the p t. I has one almost all the by elections and provincial election provincial elections that it to part in over the last few months. Let me, let me refresh you actually all the seats that the focused on peoples fucking fucked into by elections from could i cheese one of our supporters. This started in the one against a run yazzy, then again did a fall motor of Foreign Ministers problem with could issue from a job. I would like to look at differently and if you did image better, so i met sort of a, b, a, b and, and then the dining fragments. This body has been losing and reading against them. But the focused on peoples bodies. Even if you go to johns to protect, candid of you were able to defeat pga and you must also keep in mind that he seems to be high elections in the cube, which is the biggest city. In fact, as don, where they run the ozzy hydro game for big for like the boxes type, even one of the party was the single largest majority on number one. Number 2, we hadnt so much of feed yet was number 3 because and jim was not interesting. So we have a good one man in kentucky which was very reason and we have seen, nor any jobs spring up of the b g. I. In fact, going down to what the cutting stages are telling us is that a con is no longer a as painless as used to need doesnt happen normally. In by august on we have a tentative dis something the public wants to go because it doesnt take us 48 hours or 24 hours. They go out then in there, i think the only place where the beauteous support is processing isnt that dreams, i guess. Okay, as he mentioned that as a political panelist, i suppose you look at this and its your job to try and decipher okay, what happens next for the country framer on con and his party and, and just for the Political Landscape in general, as well, a single what is important to note is that very likely that is going on, im focused on current context is unprecedented in, as some things are happening at an amplified scale. But most of these things have happened before a n y n. And by the way, with mr. Dog or said was correct, b, b, b, 2 has gained in popularity, b, b, b, and b, d, i for your viewers should know they dont generally contest them the same areas. They really different provinces traditionally. So both of these parties that you have on the panel today are gaining popularity. The, the Political Party thats in trouble is really the one, the Prime Minister. The current Prime Minister belongs to where h has a pamela. What we will have is it will be protests that will be, be the audit process. You have to understand as a lot of protests for d, as well in a population that is sitting on the seat viewed economic do residential not as a leader to this book if somebody likes on or for instance, cannot contest a constituency in a free and said election environment, we can say its a fee and said election, however, neither was 20182013 was much better. And so weve had each party at some point, compromise on these principles of democracy, and nobody ends up delivering in the public interest. And which is why the, the, you know, the, that was, and a number of the legislative measures dodge what endorsed embossed under the b b. I government bagwell oppressive and took on yeah. And, and as such as, for instance, the legislation on, on the what we call the pick up or the parental of an Electronic Crime sac. So theres a number of cases with, you know, political body has been a reliable ally in democracy and what needs to happen if the democratic continuum and focus on his dable on it is that it has to be a limit to the religions. Political parties need to recognize that the opponents, not enemies, and what have mr. Cons. Mistakes for instance, was not recognizing his political opposition as a legitimate opposition. Only we have in buckets funding the political spectrum is this cross nation with Political Parties are constantly trying to deal legitimize each other. This is a severely bullet rice design. Youre making a point actually that was made in um, you know, reported the very top of the show. There was a, a man who, i believe is a resident of talk where him run kind his jailed. And what he had to say struck me. He said, i wrote it down, he said they run con, started fighting with people and making enemies basically the minute he came to power, which is kind of what youre saying that he, he, he didnt know how to treat even his authorization. And that ended up being a political fault, i mean, judging by the results and the outcome, were gonna have to wrap this up. But just one last question for you as email, which is dream. See if thats possible. Sorry, go ahead. Well, the crisis is the economic crisis and for some reason that order of priorities to address the economic crisis has not been taken. So your question about when the election is going to happen in board is going to depend on where the, the leadership of the country decides that they can rely on a group of people to date, the right decisions for the economy and not a popular decisions. And thats a judge. All right, listen, i want to thank all or guess for joining us in the program today. Thank you very much than done. 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