Hello welcome to the show. Im sam is a band. Its a k some see as an example of political persecution. Indias opposition lead that a whole gandhi was sentenced to jail off the being convicted of the same in crime and us and that under body in march. Well, now the Supreme Court has suspended the conviction that could paved the way for the congress bought the chief to make a political come back. But this case is prompting questions about induced judicial system and the state of its democracy. So how will this affect the chances of the government and the opposition in next years elections will get into that without guessing a moment. But 1st, this report from the catalog has already on the he is one of india as well known political figures. And now Opposition Leader ra who gandhis case is perhaps the most controversial. A high court has suspended his conviction for defamation. After he stated, all thieves have moody as their last name. Many saw that as an insult against Prime Minister nerve under moody, with the defamation case. Now thrown out both allies and levels of Indias Congress party leader are waiting on what hell do next. Hello. Such a key due to the truth wins. Whatever happens, my policy is clear, i have clarity in my mind about what i have to do and what my work is all about. I think the people to sell this for the loving simple. The 2 year jail sentence in march automatically led to gundy suspension from parliament was now he might be able to retake his seat and even run against modis party and next Years National elections. His picture has gone up and hes been seen as somebody whos been single dog, what, who is be persecuted for prosecution by their government. And if they continue to, to deny entry into Parliament Despite the order judgment of the Supreme Court, they will be making things worse for themselves. Prime minister, moody, and his party having to choose the plane politics to push rivals out. The b g p denies this and says the recent Court Rulings proves is not the one pulling the strains. How many you guys get a little . We all the people of one country under one society, but unfortunately, opposition parties have made this very one identity based on abusing and bullets name us. Despite this, weve tried to maintain cordiality and dignity of politics. Gandhis great grandfather was indias 1st Prime Minister. The 53 year old may be popular, but it hasnt lets his victory at the pools. Under his leadership, critics said the opposition Congress Party has been weakened. While out on bail, he managed to merge several parties into one alliance under the acronym india. But so far it support has been limited. Some analysts say gandhis case has shifted the national conversation, raising questions about the politicized nation of courts, political rivalry, and the state of democracy in india, capielo pacific again, for insights, story on the. All right, lets bring in, i guess, the rule. Joining us from you daddy says the a l. Me is a spokeswoman for the governing b j. P. Somebody knock fee is a visiting professor at the gentile school of journalism and communications. And an independent journalist who writes about hate speech and india. And so pre usher night, a spokeswoman for the Opposition Indian National Congress policy. I will welcome to will if i could start with cha, z as in. Do see this cool decision as a game changer for indian politics . He, he does nothing boxed the prospects off of my hockey, which is b u b a door. Im glad that the supreme for testing. And this is a testimony to india as robust judiciary. And so by print democracy, the fact of the matter is that the, for the, the, the, the doesnt this by the cost has been kept in the bins and dollars on the can now go on to contest elections. But the question is really good to point this from, i mean, he did, he is not a batch in family bachelor and constituency. And would he up on this from there to being over the inboard to get it up. But hes an empty for all and use the same positive and see. I think that to be the determining factor. Let me bring support into the chat. Do you show that perspective or do you think that role gundy might make a bigger impact on the child . So as a v, the congress will the be j. P. The next elections you got to be on your sword, which will be with the women some with all due respect to my will, the opponents from the b, j. P. I back to dislike i things all are going to be makes a lot of difference to the package of the party to the government so much so that each time the puts the government of the dollar off, some fortune expressed as a national and bought those whether its on price wise, or unemployment, or the economy of scam or . Well thats my to the chinese government, the ruling stablish. When goes on a blackboard, some of the ministers come out all guns blazing against him, with no substantial allowances to the question that he means is the reality or the even in this case. And i agree on one thing would solve me that the Supreme Court has made a story about it. But the Supreme Court defends the, in the highest schools in the land of also showed a mirror uh to all the of course, uh, particularly the ones that goods it off and you know, 3 quotes and would you drop off the sentencing a pedals . The conviction, the fact that the Supreme Court depended on not just the conviction, but also very categorically. Oh sort the middle to be supported with drop in said the board is coming out of there. The level said the better of tools. A lot of the lights on this, i believe almost done what has happened. Im just going to pick 10 seconds to explain this of the un briefly. The, the Union Government cannot absorb itself of whats in the house and then went shopping for a case where im going god, the could be convicted for 2 years. For the full time in the 162, we are the in the quarter history had a kind of data or a model be convicted for 2 years. If you was convicted then that you would not have been disqualified, still be welcome to Supreme Courts decision. All right, so can they jump in because well, we will have to call you because members, right . We will have time to try and unpack more. You right, there is something for us to talk about in terms of the actual routing. But before we do that though, if we can continue this little chat on the political aspect of it and i want to bring in salva. Theres a question, heres how about how quickly, how smoothly will he be reinstated back to parliament. Is that clear yet . So i think go, it would be very awkward of the page. It me does not. So if the speaker of the bottom does not bring him back to the all, but you know, these days anything is possible because the matter is that you was made to meet the, all those old. So people havent blamed that was an extraordinarily conviction. Diamond. Every day the hip speech is made and in the other time there is a m p or the ruling b to b who has been accused of all Sexual Harassment by women at the needs youre going to use that done wrong, done before. It is full thing to put something very enough to us and we just said in politics was the conviction in which it all that happened in the last session above and so on. Yes, there is a question, but i think you really get reinstated at the end, right . Dont let is my get to put, that is the correct thing to do. Because wrong this case is for the window has the, has the and then said that this conviction does not stand this continue role and so on, so forth. So i think you better get reinstated. And then be, i know in a bizarre where his doctor has been in uh by his attempt to such a lot. Okay, thats an interesting point. Let me, let me take it back to shows the shows. Yeah. I know you said earlier, you dont think that the reinstatement over a whole gundy is going to make much impact on the b j. P. But we look at what happened in may elections and caught them the attack up. Doesnt. Dont those elections show that role . Gandy can be effective in on see thing the b j p. So thats, thats one the election. But ill go and look at the city just exhausted actions updated. So you bought a very good track record, but coming back to the Supreme Court, let me tell you why the Supreme Court of cindy, i guess the some relief. Um, let me tell you what does this dish spring bought . Vision from the homes on the um, earlier and dropped the knuckles for this line. Boston p. Uh, he talked about the private as to being a b, and he said the Supreme Court has been saying that and see whats left with a contempt. The 4th, notice you have to the southern, the g on the magnitude of fitness, the d, again, he was dropped on the that goes and different funded by the Supreme Court. Yes, the, this is given to believe that this lot of time showing that there is some police been in the way it democracy is practice and yeah, also about the pin. So. 8 is the clothing the as a base you need the same thing to say. I hope youre for me. Uh the time you know the both sides because what the present one point of view. Well, im trying to give each think im the advantage of it, but i always find you the opportunity to, to speak go, go ahead and finish the full. Yeah. The so i think so, you know, its a very simple thing because then you have to have blood time. How long does it . Lets start. Menu focus rather than on personalities. Lets focus on the subject we discussing. All right, so go ahead of time and perspective, please use the title and go ahead and give us your channel subject. So, you know, if you look at a job whos on the may not have been show with the hes, hes there to give competition. Do more, the more private a symbol deal was going back for the 2nd time and every sounding majority and be a show for bed and boys to the 2024 elections. Its not really clear with the lives that are part of the is actually going to im sure that the prince as the leader. All the lines. Okay. Oh, because there are many of the video that we just been sending for the be a lot of the be in position. So i think it might not be that easy. But ive been, ive is good luck to the the. All right, let me bring in. Uh, so pray im sure she has something to say about this does do support is at the beach. If you have a point when they characterize roll down the as a print, someone whos lost touch with people as the b j b says theres no place in democracy for domestic politics. What do you say to that . So free a visual with the law office talking about domestic politics on bishop the, the last people walk in the liars was the Prime Minister a month back like this just and said, i am, you know, its me, what does everybody else . And then you have to stick to ground to lie, as opposed to good father use 24 of them. Have the dont members of parliament 7 have one and 2 have only 2 that are not in fault to you in that school. Listen, that come from the northeastern part of this country where money for has been in the throat of buyers and not a key for the last 3 months of the Prime Minister of the country spoke for the full time on monday, for up to 70. Its. Theyve been a very, very, virtually very disturbing video in much from beth with women hoping for age of nick. And then, you know, there was an entire crowd of people and then that was subsequently you gave. So the less the Prime Ministers children should not speak about the federal with all due respect to shots the, i think its unfair to for, to appeal the problem in the future. Let me jump to the right you minutes. Okay. Yeah, let me jump. I see the points please cannot come. I can like jump into for you and put the question this way. The despite of everything that youve said, you cruise isnt of the government yet. The government has keeps winning elections basically under a whole ganleys history suggests hes presided over crushing electro, the fates in 20142019. Is he the mind to fix the challenges . But the congress policy faces, you know, i think the spot, these challenges, the challenges, the media bases are phenomenal. The challenges the in the office is a very big the fact that one states of india has been bonding for the last 3 months now. And the government has done precious little stop that is the challenge in the face of injustice. Electronic a fuel to unemployment, children coming to quantity high prices to level that ended up being sort of the fees occasion, which is, which is absolutely brands. And then it breaks the back of the club on the floor of the mist to pay the taxes to the, to the 64 percent, the taxes being selected. But thats a bar. I just want to say one very important. Please dont be led by this leg by headlines. Yes, the government did when the front people think that the 2019 and actually was the part the just the one that they had a question to be just a matos and then they would defeat the not to go when the still more be himself the tickets hes the more just for me and just be part of his phone, the just of him and book the not forgotten him watching for the still reality is. All right, we have a portion of people who come together with an ideology to facade and save our constitution. Im bet i didnt. Okay. Can cypriots plus you do find the point, but as people suckle . All right, let me bring silva in talking about the coalition. The idea of a grand alliance of all position policies sub will it now do you think gain more fraction off the this Court Verdicts will role gotten the be able to further galvanized this Opposition Alliance. So this Opposition Alliance is being guides. The nice not just the vision, but the goal is bobby, but by region of buttons, because bobbys face today in the depth is essential grices. I really why coalition in the politics is important because i cover the pgp for a long time. Im. Im getting the book on them so theyve got to space. Theyve lost the alliance boxes, the job to sticks, which give lots fiction of m b. Do the law, the traditional allies boxes in my gosh, so i didnt know how to been broken on the bought these all. What has not been is Enforcement Agency that you and be the reason to be, but there is no guarantee of the end. The board is also going, but the break could be fractions. So theres a very complicated thing thats happened. So the b to b know that there is a numerical chart for coming it to be in. Do its not, it would be a big, big part. The body does drawn around the personality or grabbing this, done that in the movie, there is no doubt about that. It wouldnt be a mistake in my, you to project the boxes that are going to come as being the one of the trees. It is going to be about the alliances. And yes, all are gone via the i did a lot of elements do it in the box, you know, because youve been on the order and get jersey and all he has, he wont be talking to the beach in the also the specific be because he lived in the last session or part of it, hes specifically raised issues about the economies gunter, which was which in one of the brand new stood with an introduction to the board. And the grandmother did not get injured or response. Suddenly we had the verdict thing that he had the same the some on automatic withdrawal court. So no, the, its the most news and cnn, the books in multiple language. It doesnt happen any in the woods. So its not can usually be up to one person. All right, so i guess about the very strong part. These are on the side of the alliance that has been put together and the congress is the last significant body there on the ball. This is growing. Okay, somebody tried to let me jump in, but i know its a pre i know you want to jump into, but lets give chassis a a chance 1st and ill promise, ill come back to you in a minute. So for you, basically she has the a boiling down some of the sentiments weve heard from cyber that there is a concern, is the last about the state of democracy. There is a concern about the state and condition of the judiciary. Is the implication you guys wanted to get into this of the wrong . So let me bring it up. Now the implication of the latest routing by the Supreme Court is, is there an implication that the lower courts and the good you, right . High, cold weather bgp holds a lot of power, of course, on politicized a spell of the size that would not be any of the least the done. And its due monday had to get the frame called level. You see the no, i think i think there was an outside of the box of the package, which insinuates that it doesnt seem to be an inside of the movie. Even with you saw a name was fused. Yes. It all it on the was talking but movie, but movie is a backward scott smoothies also at the back would cost and the person will find the complain belongs to a back put cost and then dont put it on the use. The name is that what movies a piece of it was taken at a rate sheet for some reason, or even the outrage from the community. Its on the backward community by view. And this is why the decisions bought me. Whats the point to the report did not any of the, no doubt the climate as the i just looking for this thing, what im seeing. So i dont whos on the has been the see to the seems to freeport. So i, what im saying is that the cost and there is a Supreme Court, but its somebody this has been put in place and it does not. The many jonathan possessions bought the dual human judgement in favor of the fee up on risk. But i dont think any further decide, i dont, they wouldnt like to give the impression, but now the phase because it actually but really so they dont know where to look at the living, the judiciary. But the fact is that due to me is vibrant, robust. Im sick of the question of what a line . Yes, the be just the lines uh give you a give you a chance to finish it. Ill give you a try to finish the last thing. But how, how would you respond to the suggestion which was raised by august, but definitely mation charges rarely ever prompt to use sentences in india. Right. That is a very rare and happened in this case just to meet the legal necessary definition of what it would take to knock out and member of parliament. How would you respond to that . Are you asking me . Yes. Okay i then i see the not just refuse to apologize to the member of the backward community. But the son who so name happens to be moody, but also does not given fire off or his lawyers will probably not take it seriously. Or what do they do have been fired for being so that its on the product. Again, some kind of full support to appeal a mazda light and use the situation because they have even been at the new to do this. The process is im sure they have looked so strongly because mines that it used to come through those had so i was going to be kind of use this opportunity to build some kind of full sympathy for himself. Im not asking for any got to be im the, this is the law. So i didnt say anything i gave this and i would not speak the patients bullet. Although mindset are, are the wisdom of the judge cooper noses. No question. The Supreme Court. Okay, let me get you one second. This has yet to continue. The thought you were talking to us, you wanted to come back on the point of the authorization alliances. Go ahead, ill give you 1015 seconds to finish your full lab if yes i yes. So the to the bottom is talking about b, g, b and the needs for a life. But those, let me say youll be, should be this extremely well. And this is the 1st time since 1989 that a body has gone back with the majority in the looks of uh, a for the cms, i get this 2nd time. And let me tell you that be really honest. One is enough in terms of just numbers. I would not need the bottom those. I saw the other 2 boxes, but you know, somebody was talking about love doing the strip and it, let me tell you, but of the key members all. So for this new alliance, that is the need, right . Im going to use the shuttle, the disagrees of the, in many of the jobs that need me, including that on the issue. In fact, he is the closer to a dunny and it goes to meet him regularly. And the longest days im not living, ive been stores it all right, hold on. Okay. All right, so i, the forrest Bobby Dickson to you to see the, the congress policy. Let me give subjects, i did promise her opportunity to get back in. Shes been angling, so go ahead. So for you, you know, im not trying to make, i make my argument short useful for 5 minutes. 15 seconds im open your degree. Thats sort of fine. But thats a real hold on the inbox on all join me from kentucky. Not having the chip open during the south to cause me in the north. Im what did you do this . Lets go to the products julie got cut over to the end demo to keep india united. He met people from all the costs or villages or trots of society, who kept saying, but going to from the best thing that kind of issues the government wants to go over the react to, to the is the in the, on the coalition the we have stitched together stands for Indian National developmental includes the ally of the Prime Minister selling his m fees to actually call is due to somehow mispronounced the come on the overton of quote, unquote, in the means. In english just means anybody jumped on probable. I mean, the Prime Minister was talking about india in reference to the indian, which i had been that federal, the migration of east india company, which is a symbol of slavery. What so happens to the Prime Minister . Is he so rustled a diesel, baffled as the soul scattered, running hazels schedule . Which is why he is doing this because nobody in the light miles would speak about the mother lives about the nation that the call everyone about india. The way the Prime Minister speaking is absolutely shameful to be sure to spring from doing dr. Speaking of the new to the platform and i understand probably both sides with the other side dispatching and on the page just like, oh could we focus on the issue here now . Is there a big issue about the state of democracy . One gets a quote, the sweden based v. Them institute, and its democracy report 2023. It says india is one of the worst alter cross sizes in the last 10 years. Hi dusty, this is so with how is the 2 shows all being on the mileage there is no denying that. But the investigative agencies like an enforcement director with all the c b, i can pull some directions up think it will go up full force whos supposed to move. He has come to baldwin and guess, well, 95 percent of those cases i guess in the position of people who decide to switch st. Brent done to the b j. B c. The case, the way im there never investigated the never culture, they never put behind bob. But the rest of the opposition has been, and i, uh, youre looking for the condition up in the media to the end with all due respect to my friends and media. Because i, i used to previously walk as a joint this just like the, you know, by appointment from the beach, happy to look at the media, the media, and ill follow speedo state anymore. If you, if you want to investigate to story johnson the maybe by the does do so, i think the, the laws of democracy like the media, like independent distribution of liberty industry. The demo because the, like im the you, you made the point to on the mind that i want to give simpler a chance. And if theres a chance off to that, a brief minute to shalysea, but so, but go ahead on the point of whats happening to democracy. Its not only the sweden base of the demons to choose the free. The 2022 says the Prime Minister is presiding over persecution of minorities, harassments of john list and Non Government Organizations as well as government critics to they have a point. Oh, do the do is extend . Yes. But we also have an election the b, b, r functioning as an elective democracy. In that sense we have today. What is happening is that institutions are being so buttons. Im, there is a very strong, well start a business trip to the government. This is done president , it does not happen default if they want the honor of egypt. Eugene from 98 to 2004, who did not have the position being founded in the manner that the cornish and regime. And that did not. You did not have the opposition being called in the manner in what is happening, but you know, it is of the, im sorry to interrupt you what weve got 30 seconds slash. I know shaqia will be very upset if we dont give her a chance, chance a, a go ahead with your response that in 30 seconds though. Thank you so mean i didnt mind the to find a list that i was in. I go and goes into division of division was bottom in the construction. Is this going to respond to you is to im not in opportunity into the g. Im not a big any, any kind of good defend when it came to congress. And every day i sent them different bios, but it just abuse and then you find the Prime Minister. So i dont know what democracy or lack of it is being talked about, right . Yeah. I have the various a all right, im really sorry. We are out of time, i know that this discussion can go on for a lot longer. Im sure theyll be another opportunity for all 4 of us to discuss this though in the future. But for now, lets find con, guess very much. She has the only 7 oclock fee, and so pray tonight assigned to you too for watching it and see the show again, any time by visiting our website. Ill just there a dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. Thats facebook dot com. 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