The how do i walk into the program . Im adrian sent it to theres yeah, has seen wising mt french sentiments since its military to post the president and took pilot last wednesday in recent on several countries in west africa. Ive moved and the ministry ties with friends, the mounting, the french troops leave the region. The form of colonial power appears to be losing its influence in the hill. Thats despite president demario mccullins election promised to reset prize with the continent. So whats behind the shift . What role as mccomb played and where the french africa relations go from here, well get to our guests in just a moment, but 1st a report from felix. Now while were a long live clinton and down with friends, some of the chance echoed by thousands of new supporters marching through the streets of new jersey to me ami. The youngest follows francis suspension of all development and Financial Aid to new share prompting some protesters pursuing the French Embassy and setting fire to its entrance. The new here is the resilience. We are resilient. If today the National Budget has been insulated, tripled quadrupled quickly. Because of stealing, what we produce is more than enough for us to survive. So we really call on the armed forces, the security forces, cnsp really not to give in to any black man thought it just, the people are suffering in this country majority and shouldnt be living like this. The people are coming out to support the colleges because theyre here to bring the balance for the country. The french and government has condemned to the rules of retaliation if any of its citizens are home. The use of colonial and new colonial influence appear to have resulted in a decline in frances influence in west africa. And some now see russia as an alternative in china to is competing for influence funding or lending money for Large Development projects. In 2017, after winning the french elections, president emanuel mccomb said he would reset relations with africa. The colonial past wouldnt be replaced by what he called a new vision or balanced partnership. Now how can you just tell me several kids with a 3 Year Organization is not meant to be a retreat or this engagement. It will materialize through any of africans ation or mutual operation of these big bases afflicted. But recent developments have challenged this approach. Last year, french troops were forced to leave molly and book, you know, fossil when the military who is opted for new alliance with russia in the form of the most entity walk in a group. Now with the judas cool leaders, strongly speaking out against friends, its not clear where that leaves its influence of the region, or its fight against the groups, the legs, new or for inside story. All right, lets bring it out. Yes, for todays discussion from some motto in fonts for joined by is that gretel, whos a Senior Research fellow of the Global Policy institute, the think tank from power is sweet, joined by judy charlie, political and Security Risk consultant at total risk of consulting from with the focus on economic can strategic intelligence and from johannesburg. Larissa, lorenzo an independent political and economic risk list a warm welcome to you or chuck. Lets start with you. Whats going wrong for france in africa . President metronome wanted to transform fronts. This relationship with its for the colonies, but has had to rethink his approach off to a series of humiliations. To what extent is, is this about mccaul personally . What just about fonts . I dont think it is just about an i call it said probably about frost goods on forget that defrances the increasing enrollment in the side or region starting into falls in generally 2015 when uh uh because utah hold it all responded to a go from the universities to stand, the po was the action of g a. These group to. Ringback going towards that my group, id stopped that as a time from trumpia is action was way come by the population flexibility on was a step. Deacon said it wasnt best day. These live french flags, the avery, where so froth was see the as an army of the variation. But as of, of the, the security situation, you know, the improving the spice of the prevalence of thousands of french troops in many, uh, there was, these are sent mentioned to population and the neighborhood, the, all me a few versions started to be seen that as an army of occupation ad pharmacies, presences west africa, was chuck decided, especially was challenge for us. Oh, so is the ex could on your boss or the strong antique or your feelings then is spread to a booking, a Central African republic with his son get resa brush and ended in 2016. Then after that, you had the book, you know, for so we do cruise, which led to just uh, the default you, ill do French Forces and now the range being all differential organization e design. Nice need. Yeah. Is actually a victim of how, where differentiate readings are being expressed. But its difficult to say how strongly they are shared by the population seems to be. Weve seen some demonstrative sions. As once again, we see beyond the fios of russia. Russia at russia is not the only country. Many countries are interested in the spots on the web, and wall to undermine frost was being forwarded on time. Really, yes, its true. The most of that region is on top of africa. Show security, controlling governments. Woods, the case frontage influence. They couldnt make it pretty decor being that bought the well as they would be next week. And, you know, test against process in trans uh, becoming a never be as strong so. Okay. All right, lets, lets just bring it on a. Do you agree with, with what jack jack was saying, this isnt necessarily about in the crowd on how to his personality and the way of doing things. Why is this so much and see french sentiment in africa today . And what is changed to hello, this is, this france is when the, as each has been saved, its a is one of the, the, lets say the most for, for the popular more you story corner of buffalo when known by the, this area. So i sing this, no, its no more a question of being a foam or of colonial is to power. Its finished as perio the single way, im sorry, into a globalization, a, a period. That means thats 1st of order to, we have more computers. Thats why ive received that the more easy to, to deal with, lets say. And also we dont adopt a french toyota in the country. The, or even the american as adults adopt the approach to the continents. Because also we have new generation. We have a new need, new, lets say the month from paul call, sheep on many, many points is the fact that now the, the population, they ask for sharing the, the, well some of the resources that they have on their own side. So of mainly what is own was the say, then you get to hear thats of any cool i need the most ration is the fact thats a well in the narrative, is that so they, we, they fight again. The government, which is linked to uh, a power of foreign power from so us and uh which, which is uh, lets say sharing the resort. See them the wells, the fall, the government from state to state and thats to the benefits of the population. And so that i think that it was always somewhere in the, in the school. So the lead said the, or the professor as im on the, the, the, the, the opposition in the boxes. But no, its much more open. The said, this is way how to say no. Weve also seen you and we want to get our resources. Got marissa on a full nation visit to africa back in march president , across the days of funk of freak is one of the truly over friends have no desire to return to past the policies of interfering in africa. The people that believe that that is true, the, the case doesnt even matter, but to what extent is france, that is, africa policies become a relevant on the confident i think what were actually looking at here is liz backlash against funds and more actually looking at what has happened in post colonial africa and this doesnt just include its a hill, but it includes the entire region. And really the promises that all of the expectations that we had of post great north africa, was to have grades of democratic societies, more freedom and more prosperous economies helped by aid from the waste. And that is not really happened. And of course, weve seen this tape holding us to hell, and thats being against crohns because front is really one of the biggest act as a, but i dont see this as particular and to french cents a month. I think that we can see this democratic back sliding happening in many other countries across the region. Because the font is the biggest player that its the one that will get the most attention and the most focus. But for me, what is the most concerning about the events that have taken place . Most of the cruise that we have seen for the past 3 years is really that these are not actually Popular Uprising cuz we dont actually know what these populations want. A lot of cases have actually been military cruise. So what this means is that were not actually looking for a particularly better future, would not necessarily looking to say, okay, we dont want fonts, but do want someone else, respectively just saying small groups of people saying that we feel that we should actually be in power now, and its out tend to take it forward at whatever the associate economic difficulties were having, were going to be the ones to solve that. But the thing is, these problems are all very done. The grades and theres not just one after thats responsible for them. I think of course some of the backlash against the font is warranted because we can say that from the colonial pair, they will not the political system set up and handed over. But these bad practices id be sick to be being in training by leadership in post colonial i for what i want is the largest have gotten worse. And what that means is if i were just gonna see more instability, very so i wanted to ask you if, if the french policy pops concentrated too much on, on helping governments and not people them, people, uh, some of them dictatorship. Some, it does not explain, at least the public resentment towards france potentially, but i think that if you kind of look at post colonial discourse in africa, it has really focused on what happened the colonial period. And what colonial act is that . It focuses less on what need as a place called of needs has done. And certainly these, these havent changed these bad practices. But we can also argue that its not necessarily fonts that is just supported some less democratic regimes, but also africa as being the recipient of a lot of ada. Unless you could also argue has effectively helped some of these leaders to stay in place and taking the responsibility on the boat and close them all developing they own countries and not really held them to account. So, you know, its a very, its a very complex argument, but i think its one that is definitely worth having a jack to what extent does fronds become escaped codes for many of africas problems to yeah, think that the right foot fonts has become east to escape good folks or secret d social economic programs in the positive, the waterfall, and the claim that you bring back a pc money. But uh with the table do, its very difficult. We see the g a g yet is fred, is spreading over the region and froth was meant to act as a brutal work against it in and especially in the case of a, of a d j which have become after the 4 of you all can f as so, and by the way from federalism forces, charles was the corporate writing. We the, that should, over the me of nisha was not the university was there as a backup, but still its d. C, because its false because of the past the story wrong doings doing to the punitive i forgot to do a bit of concept freak of use the is the i did a scape goat for all the social and economic problems of that region. Its quite easy for a we need to read who want to over for good, but i received it shut. It stopped. It was the demand for the thought you upfront the school was the result of the into the, into an old feud. Its a, a general jenny, who would be the head of the president ial gall under the previous president , but do you support from seems to follow them. They have an end state as they build the present shorter gov of the bottom it does the zoo and the full e a pound key from what here e. C, it will be dismissed as a result. Besides, they do the stages of ad at 1st was touch and go and then it was drawing to eat or so these uh, it is cleared up by all the commanders on the full series of of, of the share who fake. Ill bring a message that civic governments demo, the government, backed by the west, important in dealing with the security and Economic Situation of the country. That is better to go back to the cost of all very rude as a strongly does that appealing to dispatch. We dont take feeling would show 70, which, oh, so a be this, the 2 french feelings in the region of been filed by a russia developing a group, the companion ad. But that dont think that the, the case of new shift, russia was behind to move something small and do it cheaper. And maybe russia is, might be hoping to capitalize. But its interesting to see that the, the adopted a study cooler across to them are asking for the restoration of democracy, not for the restoration of present wazoo, but theyre playing cell phones, okay . By which you can see all things. Ill be able to check. I dont wanna get to bump down and, and whats going on in, in this . Yeah. Right. All right, one. Okay, i wanna look at a more, a french policy if you like. And what are the risks to funds itself internally of instability in these, these countries. Some of them former colonies allied to Islamic Militant groups. What do you know . First of all, i think the, the main, the main issue, the, the many consequences is the 1st of all whats, whats the, the, the, the decided deduction . Because as you know, men are equal was decided to have a best friends and to, to use for awesome the especially especially key assumptions. And we know that the inclusion sanctions are we 1st of all the be a big in the box and the units are, am and the, the human, the, and social, and economic or impacts and the population. So the 1st of all, lets see, Something Like that. It can be of course, uh if the, the is the bombing, the, the negotiation for me, i, i guess thats the beginning in the, the, the how to deal with is the substitution is 1st of all, to, to, to raise the voice and to, to, to have the logical point of view to defend the position, the 4 inch of the stakeholder, linset, and the then to open to lead the to leave and negotiations and goes through all of these things. And the finally, the home phone negotiation and compromise. So i hope this week we will we some of that and what, and notice what notice as oh, whats happening in these, from the colonies of young people in front, been taking about about about whats going on. The of course, you know, is this something that we had during the, the last hour of spring, do you know your member and the 2000 the 11 . It was exactly the same situation in a way that the enemy was much more the, the united states. And the us, you, we had the same situation. One come present, come. So the neighbor countries, they were in the back seat by such a revolution as it has been the, the cold and the, and then of course, in europe, you have the, in the big get a cool of that. The some young people, but nothing many young can the adult if i was such situation and maybe not by trying to raise the racial flag, but much more on containing. And lets say the, the, the not the color in the end is, but the, them, theyre kept, he says is 12 didnt get underway. How the population has been the invited by a said, sure policy. Okay, but we so ill come to you just a moment before shack shoot. You want to come back on on what you just heard that i, i swear you if you want to give it to jack. Yeah, you want to talk about the dentist should or do you dont know what impact always on cross the justification but false intervening, even in a strong manner in money, especially and looking up a so a guess judges group was at the time the fear of terrorism is studies to arisen of folks weve had process it been a victim of easter eastern just did or was an honest or we, tory but you know about to draw a nice and all that. But its, i dont think he did. She had this movement in africa, ive never been involved in actions on the front of so to add all the extra numbers as being the result sections titled by guy dot co dash. But the reason why false is steve steve wants to intervene against judges. Screw is you know, that to protect the countries all the god forgive me, i where we go, is that j o these countries fear that the jet is splitting folks, genies of splitting from the no to yourself could be stuck with eyes this region. So the side was the run, bought the guys further this w addition, all the countries of the god from guinea. But now theres, thats the, the importance of yeah, that the west and the countries of the league which, uh, jewelry pro, west uh, could face the facility, need ship, fed add. Okay. She had this from, for advantage of the situation. Okay. The bad situation which we did that saw arising from the school. Okay. Merisa time is it again so, so im gonna get 2 more questions in here. The 1st day is africa making a mistake by turning away from fonts in favor of other partners. Youve got russia, but its not the most and res, accusations of human rights abuses by that brushes this information campaigns in the digital sphere. China, which gets involved in africa often the with great cost. Surely the french uh, mobile 9 and reliable part. Thats why does an africa see it that way . So it is painful and i will definitely say it again, which is that i dont think its up to us to say that, you know, front has been always where africa in the african countries can decide the future that they want to have. But theres one thing that i really want to pointed out from what the other 2 speakers have said today, which is that you know what, this fonts where you have to lose in this situation. And i think one thing that has been missing from this conversation so far is thats some of the Biggest Companies in the world, like the oil and gas majors, engineering firms, the french and fonts you know, needs to have good relations across the entire world, including in africa to also protect and speak nomic interests because these companies, of course, with a major and destructive projects, for example, they do support the French Economy a lot. So this is really one of the big motivations that france has and this is wide wants to keep. Its in for wednesday, and of course he doesnt want that influence to go to other nationalities with united other countries because then effectively they can get their own companies in the and i think that thats something that we also do have to come to the front is one of the biggest economies in the world did want us to sustain that it doesnt want any diminishing influence, especially in africa, which is becoming a Battle Ground. And its becoming a Battle Ground in 2 ways. The 1st is that its not your, you know, bipolar world with the cold war. You have to choose the soviet until the americans. But insecurity is also increasing in the reach of. So theres a lot during our upfront doesnt want to lose influence in the middle of that. And the main reason is economic, im sorry to interrupt with about 3 minutes left. So i, i need a brief thoughts this from, from you will hear the same question to, to all of you about a minute each, please. What should Frances Africa policy look like . What role can it, should it be playing on the confident that would be acceptable to the confidence leaders and its people track that stuff. But if a brand new road in front of us for today is to be uh to backup, i read, i bought the boxes where i will governments, uh, as just as i would like to say that the couldnt make it the rest of the process of been declining, we see those are french companies, fresh interpreters already. I forgot and i could have bought a regroup far example. So theres a new wellness that i forgot is not a treasure chest. Everyone was too good to be active in the fall over to, to the china or the arab countries, just so many, many roads. And so, so when confronts duke and they hope is to be able to collaborate with some governments over 40 the books that ticket, but its not the case. And from the speech trying to preserve the, you know, the important countries for the Financial Aid is the countries motoring the gusts of getting this and im watching future friends french policy in africa look like as well. I assume thats a 1st of all those things up from says to to be to know more to be normalized as above the not a specific in special buffalo of civil thatd be nothing any for, for friends, but also for the i freaking so then has to is they have to do it together as a pop. Now that can be do business ways. So im on some of those that are that mean on . So thats the, the, lets say the, the country is the, the, the, the states in africa they have to, they found to be tomorrow. So theyre only reservices, for instance, in new jersey. The mining could either as and be reformed since many, many years. And its not the benefit of the states. So i think thats what the book police, charlotte, among many things i, i guess i asked for a new kind of possible sheep. Thats the, uh, that theyd be able to, to uh, share, as i said, the reservices and for the country and the position to benefit from those buffer shapes. So as soon as this approach has to be done, as you know, frances, dealing with jo, money or uncertain and africa ways of to you. I dont know whats so the terms of i have to be there and both sides. Okay. Merisa then, what role should africa should draw the fonts for planning and africa that would be acceptable to the confidence leaders . Im that to people. So when mcclung did conduct, this was a cheerful african countries. Early this year he went to combine and go into the republic of congo and the democratic republic of congo. She was fairly well received today, and that was at the time that he promised that funds would take a step back from, you know, policy making and politics and african countries. But that in state it would provide, will commit to military training, started military academies in africa. And does that seem to be an acceptable step back that piece of involvement for african countries . So i think that if my con would stay true to his word in that regard, i think that that would be relatively well received going forward. Okay. That we must edit manufacturing, dave drop, right, all traditionally, and marissa lorenz. So i think part of todays program, im thank you for watching. You can see the program again at any time by going to the website. Ill just see what the. Com for further discussion join us about facebook page. Youll find that at facebook dot com forward slash h a insights story, and of course you can join the conversation on twitter. Handle the inside story for me. I agree instead of going on the team here and so on. Thanks for watching. Well see you at the the, in 1958 charles to go made of famous speech and algeria. But dont hold back the tide about jerry and independence. Keep francis companies in africa and the pacific. 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