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Subscribe to you she would slash aljazeera english. Lockdown anger boils over on dark streets as people challenge of curfew of Public Safety measures failing whats behind the rebellion this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the show im sammys a than there have been running battles between rioters and Police Across cities in the netherlands for several days now shops have been looted and smashed as people vented their anger about new covert 19 restrictions its been there lee for decades since the netherlands saw violence on its streets on such a large scale many dutch people have been outraged by a curfew the 1st to be imposed since the end of the 2nd world war well the nation had a more relaxed approach to stop the spread of covert 1000. 00 at the start of the pandemic but infections have surged its now stepping up measures to face the threat of more contagious strains detected in the u. K. And south africa steadfast in reports from amsterdam. Theyre not taking any chances after nights of unrest and looting shop owners in this neighborhood in amsterdam im nervous with them and that was obviously a little i have to barricade my shop every month already its been stressful can we pay our rent told not and now this comes on top of it ive also lost my freedom but we just have to endure this if we stick together well be out of this crisis faster. But for these young men the curfew and this crisis have become an excuse to take over the city streets like here in rotterdam outnumbered the police had to witness how shops were looted and destroyed the same happened in a dozen other towns and cities across the country the netherlands has had a more relaxed approach in dealing with the covert 1000 pandemic compared to other countries stressing the dutch are too attached to their freedoms but with infection still high and growing concern over a new variant there Corona Mattias have now become among district is in the world what started as protests against the film. By chaotic it may have so little to do with colonial masters but in my view in fact by growing up against the government influenced by conspiracy theories on social media some groups have increasingly lashed out against Government Policies and attacked the media far right politicians have been accused of fueling these sentiments this group of people is getting much more detached from the general public and when you look at international sure of us we can also see that the trust gap between a Certain Group of people is increasing so its not that this group is getting much larger well we cant really say that this group is a large group but the trust between this group and other people is increasing so thats probably something we should worry about. In a message on social media the rotterdam mayor directly address rioters and their parents there bennett got her out of there is that his over the guns out how did you wake up did you have a good feeling that you destroyed the city that you caused damages to the entrepreneurs of your city does that satisfy you and what did you do with the stuff you stole last night. Questions that many are asking in the netherlands like these shop owners in amsterdam who are also wondering why in times of crisis some People Choose to make this situation even worse step fasten aljazeera amsterdam while protests against social distancing measures of also taken place in other european cities rallies turned violent in denmarks capital copenhagen last saturday an effigy of the danish Prime Minister was set on fire and a few people were arrested and in the spanish capital madrid protesters called for the end of masks among the slogans they chanted was we want to breathe the growing discontent comes as many governments of tightened restrictions in recent months. Or lets bring our guests into the show now we have joining us from amsterdam yan villan vande priam hes a professor of psychology at the Free University of amsterdam in leeds we have amir carne a doctor at the u. K. S National Health Service and from copenhagen we have jeff lazarus head of Health Systems at the Barcelona Institute for Global Health welcome to you all if i can start with the un villain so this is the 1st night time curfew to be imposed in holland since world war 2 i mean how hard is that hitting the dutch psyche right now you know it has. Really worked so the 1st 3 nights after the regime was imposed there has been. Such an in many places renal and so this really rich your question thats this really was the client or really all. That was a lot of it was theres been a lot of resistance against that lockdown measures but you know this really was the. Government was version of made a similar its. A little bit more quiet last night but you know we actually measure riots jeff does this show that the dutch government is losing the ability to enforce lockdowns. Well lockdown as you mentioned is new for the dutch authorities but i think it shows is that theyre really out of touch with their population for me i see the rioting also as a reaction to the slow vaccine rollout which started 2 weeks after the rest of the e. U. Countries were being told on the one hand that we need to vaccinate so that we can get out of the pandemic and then the netherlands is dragging their feet im in i mean you are amongst the Frontline Health workers how vital a lot downs to helping ease the pressure on those who work to help the public like you. But i am here in the u. K. We have seen how failures on government fail is essentially have led to increased numbers of people contracting cocreate and dying we hit the horrible milestone yesterday of 100000 u. K. Kovi deaths we know locked down measures worked and worked for us in the early spring it drove our infection rates down it drove our hospital admissions down as soon as we released as soon as we were released but ambitious we saw numbers climb in the in the winter period in hospitals our hospitals were overwhelmed and im speaking to patients who are bereft every day im speaking to patients who are suffering the long term effects of kobe every day but on the other hand im also speaking to people who have Mental Health issues as a result of losing their jobs livelihoods because of lock down its so so difficult but it its so important at the moment is a blunt instrument lockdown but at the moment its all we have until we vaccinated enough people. I know today that use the word its all we have right now on the come back and pick up on that in a moment is i think thats a very important point for discussion but before we get there going back to the unveiling once again some of the latest protests that weve seen in holland were organized by Restaurant Owners how badly hit have they been i mean when we think about the lockdown the thinking part of course of saving Public Health but as even amir pointed out there are other side effects Psychological Health the toll on people Psychological Health and their Economic Health of people you know yeah for sure the restaurants have. Been out for months alyssas or so major yasmina major. Wells of jobs and last for many people there has been stimulus packages failure the governance the counter some of the. You know the committal of explodes many entrepreneurs theres. I mean every year you have been experienced as well helpful to those who have been there for the needy and yeah so you know the. Economic effects are are really noticeable. For society and you will should see i think besides the economic expansion mentioned also a lot of the psychological effect you were there so many people frustrated a young people will only seriously consider the. Consequences. Well that doesnt mean its not necessary in order for things like the american furnished ferryboats yeah they. Dont own people in many ways. Jeff necessary but are they sustainable in their current form let me quote some figures published in july and jeff for the month of april right this is were not talking about the entire period since corona struck but those figures talked about historic falls in Economic Activity in the netherlands domestic consumption dipped by 17 percent manufacturing by 11 percent is is that sustainable. Or i dont think its sustainable and i think those figures are similar across all of the European Union countries so im so whats been described you know restaurant is also happening for hotels for cinema for theater for shops in general particularly the independent shops not change shops so i dont think a lock down a sustainable i hope were in the final push as we well out the back scene. I merely talked about government policy is kind of been going back and forth hasnt it how consistent has government messaging bein as governments try and find i guess the middle ground to balance all of these concerns Public Health the economy and how does that impact you doing your job when government messaging sometimes changes. Its been tricky over the last 10 months or so given the messaging particular here in the u. K. Has changed throughout i think one figure put it at about 60 different government messages throughout this whole period which confuses people and people dont know what to do what they are allowed to do or what they arent allowed to do they have to be robust clear messages when it comes to something as serious as this just going back to your previous point you made ease into possible to separate the the economy out from that from the health of the people as well so so we cant say oh well weve got to release that down to improve quality all that will do is expose more people to the virus overwhelm the Health Service and were stuck in a vicious cycle which will also have an impact on the economy all that they say is is having a huge effect on any chance workers and Health Workers right across europe the frequency at which im seeing my patients die that you know ive put the dots now 15 years and and ive never seen it like this ive never seen staff n. H. S. Frontline workers as war now as as we are now well still carry on but things like the riots incite people deny. Saying that it doesnt exist really just put additional strain orders when we are working as hard as we can talk about additional strain its not just holland is it jeff youre in copenhagen over this last weekend weve seen protests in a number of European Countries spain denmark is europe rebelling or beginning to rebel against lockdown and health and safety measures. I dont think were seeing major rebellion yet were seeing that that frustration frustration with as was described you know the lack of Clear Communication and the lack of a clear plan and with low backs in rollout i think theres a small percentage who dont believe in in covert 1000 or dont believe in the pandemic russia seeing you know they can the netherlands protests from Restaurant Owners protests and from those around Fitness Centers and gyms and so i think there is a really you know voicing a legitimate concern that the government needs to move faster i also think its important to to consider and to nuance our understanding of lockdown sort of locked down it might be night time lockdown it might be closing shops and restaurants. All of the time for a short period of time so its going to be different in different settings and when you go to the netherlands and you have your 1st nighttime lockdowns like they just had that population really hard on top of Everything Else theyre suffering young villain even if theyre not the majority of the population are we seeing at least some of those protesters who are coming out there not just protesting against the psychological and Economic Impact it seems of lockdowns right were seeing citizen liberties groups joining protests you look at some of the slogan ing thats going on and you begin to think if this is there a deeper perhaps reasons prompting this backlash. Yeah well i think this is very. Well of the other people in response so she mentioned that there are or certainly are quite a few people out there have different beliefs about it or the virus doesnt look shish or believe in all sorts of defense of conspiracy theories about it and a lot of this 1st go to the government and these are people in particular i just dont accept their freedoms being australian because they dont see it as the assess. Among these people oh yeah the restriction. Has grown. And you know thats also installs he needs to rebel. Against against it well that is an interesting point some of them have and say theyve lost trust in the governments policies to tackle the pandemic lets have a listen to what some of those protesters are talking about a litle bit i dont agree with the actual politics in the netherlands the restrictions on freedom and its all know that the media dont always show these protests nicely but i hope we can show that this is just a voice of voice saying no we have so frayed that were going in the wrong direction this is understandable but its really the wrong way well as you can see there i mean some of the people protesting are wearing even make America Great again hats and were talking about in the netherlands right people carrying banners complaining about fake news in one soundbite that jeff im wondering that says something doesnt it about why the loss of public faith at least among some people in government in institutions in all fora tease whether its media or hospitals or why the government policy. Its a real challenge were facing now in europe on the other hand i dont want to exaggerate that challenge and we see you know a vocal minority and i think thats also been the case with some of the protests some of which you know really been hijacked by a more violent minority who joined peaceful protests and then started diluting the fires and the damage and so on so you have to see make America Great i dont think thats going to be any anything widespread across europe but but we do have to really take seriously the issue of this disconnect between politicians and governments and the population and when we measured that scientifically over the summer in one of our studies we saw you know sometimes half of population surveyed saying they really you know did not feel the government was communicating well or clearly with now why is that jeff hof the population i mean were talking about europe. And. Well its going to be different for each country i mean we just heard in the u. K. That there are maybe as many as 60 different messages that came from the government about what to do and i realize there will be a difference as the Evidence Base grows but weve off often heard the politicians and even our titians different politicians within the same government saying Different Things and so i think where we havent had you know a multi disciplinary governmental and their agency or body or group working together weve seen a lot of confusion in the communication im going to the population and then weve also seen people capitalizing on that confusion or even exaggerating it and adding some information to that i mean im wondering how the lack of public buy in does it impact your ability to do your work you know tell us how it impacts your communication with with patients your ability you know to ask them to do certain things to look after the health. Yeah makes it very difficult i think whats lacking in a lot of government policy particularly here in the u. K. And we might have seen this done very well in places like new zealand is robust messages alongside empathy and when you get mixed messages without the empathy without the acknowledgement of difficult things are people steal like theyre not being listened to i think politicians are not trusted very much at the moment im hoping people still do trust doctors and scientists who are still saying the same things about you know maintaining that social distance washing your hands wearing a mask or all of that stuff is really really important. But yes it does make our job difficult even in that when we try and advise people certain cohorts of people often dont trust us theres a lot of mistrust around the vaccine at the moment and that is something im working really hard on and getting particularly groups from minority ethnic backgrounds to take the vaccine and we dont want this country to spill on into that where you know when that is the way out of this pandemic we need everyone on board when it comes to the vaccine at least and it looks like at least in some places dont want to overplay it but it does look like does it not young villain that in some places in europe we are seeing that spillover which a mere is you know dreading are seeing i mean the German Authorities are warning of attacks against the Vaccine Centers now why i can understand if you want to go out and protest against the lockdown but if youre attacking a Vaccine Center doesnt that suggest that youve bought into a wider bigger sort of Conspiracy Theory narrative about even vaccinations being some form of population control. Yeah theres a lot of these suspects. Out there and yeah there are some local people who are also i mean always worried about the effects the sort of many people who are you are worried about but big issues thats been developed there were thats there now its all the whole truth about whats in the facts you know what the purpose of that are and that reason for it will certainly i think if you look at the statistics there are many countries in europe and large forces of citizens hesitance or even when we say that theyre cheap and yeah and i think that will slowly move know how this information that theres only internet and conspiracy theories yet can be a real problem and going to be on the mighty Public Health effects enos these are the moments. Only to be at least that way. That we have how to spend their money so its important that everyone takes it but yeah unfortunately many citizens appear to be asked and the feel of why so yeah this is really concerning also for all of shoemakers m. B. A. From scientists to address this i think is happening in relatively one of the more democratic parts of the world what does this say jeff about faith in democratic institutions. Well its of course concerning and were going to say its i think its a little bit of a perfect storm so theres always been some vaccine has its n. C. And a very small minority thats completely against the texans but but they its difficult for them to make their voice heard for now when were asking the whole world to get vaccinated they suddenly have an audience so theyre combining it with look at the lockdown measures. Look at whats happening in our societies look at the politician through dont know what to do already doing things that we dont think its right or tapping into that discontent and adding to it their own. And i vaccination perspective and fears and concerns and turning that into probably a larger force or movement then then it really would have been or then that it really is. And i want to come back to a point meir that you mentioned i said would come back to it later are general lockdowns really the only way to tackle this i mean there has been a variety of governmental approaches to this problem around the globe from countries that went into full kind of strict general mass lockdowns to those who are quite liberal about it and others who seem to do more targeted testing tracing approach its a combination of all of those things or to get it right you to got it have the lockdown measures in place its a very blunt instrument but it will drive down Border Control is really important we saw in new zealand and some of the far eastern Asian Countries and how robust they were tested traces vitally important we need to isolate people if they have symptoms or if theyre in contact but we also need to support those people financially so that system to work and thats where a lot of that has bee has been lacking in the Going Forward the vaccination so its a combination of all of those things what weve seen globe weve seen the countries act its quicker. And again with empathy particularly new zealand. Singapore those kind of places did really well because they they did all of that the countries that havent done it very well the u. S. The u. K. Brazil they they were slow to act we saw their leaders not really lead in the way that they should have done and now were suffering the consequences or i think weve got about a minute and a half left someone asked young villain this question as you look into your crystal ball. Where do you think this is going to go now that theres been violence on the streets will there be a backlash against the backlash and people will say you know weve got to get these protests under control encourage more people to come out and sadly perhaps be more violent. Well actually in the netherlands you already have seen this backlash against the backlash with a large number of citizens expressing. Their there are all the protestors and our store so in the mall or so oh yeah well of course its a difficult to predict the future of birds and oh yeah that this right there. Why people dont also important politics the left or right but also manages a Citizen Organization so you have this bill of holding the future and the only future in it of course so thats my america which is that well you know be a bit shaky in the next few weeks unpredictable well also if there will be a solution or is society i think the best way out this. Week all respects rollouts. Will do the usual more and more people defection data then we get it and then its on. Shaky and unpredictable sadly i think most of us would agree that theres a little more of that coming in our future is thank you very much has been fascinating though to pick this apart lets thank our guests thanks to young villain van priam i may have khan and jeff lazarus and thank you too for watching you can see the show again any time by visiting our website aljazeera dot com for further discussion head over to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story can also join the conversation on twitter handle there is that a. J. Inside story from me sam is a band and the entire team here announced its goodbye. North korea isolated and heavily sanctioned yet earning billions around the globe here and 39 is involved in everything that makes money for north korea. To carry defer the cost for us to take on tyson. The money this year and it goes straight into the coffers as a leadership a 2. 00 part people in power Investigation Bureau 39. 00 cash for kim to. 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