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There were 7 regions. 3 of them under this deal to be handed back over to the there by johnny military. The russian peacekeepers that are going to be there. And one of the generals of the very army has told us that it is they are going to make sure that there are no fighters left in the area as they are handed over. U. S. President elect joe biden has been confirmed as the official winner in the state of georgia. After a hand recount President Trump still refuses to recognize bidens victory. And then to witness the credibility of responsibility. Credibly damaging messages being sent to the rest of the world. But how democracy functions i think it is. Well, i dont know his motive, but i just think its totally irresponsible. The warring parties in ethiopia, seagrave region have exchanged rocket fire with both sides accusing each other of putting civilians in danger. The United Nations childrens agency is warning that more than 2000000 young people need help. 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We meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on aljazeera. Hi, anthony ok, no good to the stream, the home edition on todays episode of lucky to be looking at a regional part of the field. I want to remind you how got started have a look at just over 2 weeks ago, ethiopian Central Government launched a military offensive against a local, warring Party Prime Minister abu ahmed accuse that party the t. P. M. Of attacking a military base. A key p. L. F. Dominated ethiopian politics for decades until abbey came to power in 2018 when the party in 1900 been persecuting them, and purging them from government and the military. The conflict is centered on the ticker, a region which the t. P. M. Governs. According to the United Nations, hundreds of people have been killed and thousands of refugees have fled into sudan. Assume much to talk about today. We have a humanitarian disaster. The t p l. S. And the routes that ethiopia could go to peace. If youre watching on you tube and you want to be part of this conversation, jump into the comments section to my 3 best to get your comments into today. Let me bring in todays guess i will say hello to them and they will introduce themselves to you. Welcome back to the street. Well, remind, remind everybody who you are and what you do. Think youre fighting with and im from washington. This network for a second rise, its good to have you back in the stream as well. Please remind everybody you are and what it is, its nice to see you again. If i meet someone is a kind of salon and im a freelance journalist and i write primarily for its mail and guardian and the telegraph. I miss a bet edition sell to our global audience. Thank you very for having me. My name is miss him, but i said, i teach art school through as some professor of law and i write on politics and law. Thank you. Its good to have you hate gentlemen feel so welcome. Today i spoke to belaying c. E. O. Shes the press secretary for Prime Minister of the meds, and we in our conversation with talking about some very key issues about what is happening right now, including when a Peace Process might start. This is what she told me. The Prime Minister and the federal government made a decision to make this operation, this rule of Law Enforcement, operation of the great region. There were 3, actives and one of the critical objectives at this point is to disarm the g. P. L. If an amends, they have been in possession of weaponry. And there has been efforts by the n. D. S. To disarm them or radio to the position and to make targeted military strikes on where the you are not of the arsenals. So this is a priority right now, and also part of the prior increased also bringing these perpetrators to justice. So once that is that the p. And ones that are in government command, then the negotiations and the other on recessions could happen because there has been a beary track record on the part of the Prime Minister to dialogue with the t. P. N. Death. And it is not as the International Media or in the National Community is making it out, which we have to be very careful about. That narrative is that there has been a continuous transgression of the part of the champion of 2 or right or into any of the m. P. Of that have been made by the federal government and personally, by the, by the Prime Ministers wife decries a couple of things jumped out at me from that conversation. One was rogue elements, the other ones bring perpetrators to justice. And then the 3rd, who is putting the blame for the conflict very firmly at the door of these rogue elements of the t. P. M. That what stood out for you. World whether they are a rogue elements or not and im not, i dont see there, there being any space for the dialogue that she says will follow the end of the conflict. Considering that the to be alive has been completely outlawed as an organization. All of its members face arrest simply for being affiliated with the organization. So whether its the rogue elements or whatever remaining elements there might be. It is very clear that there wont be any space for dialogue. There wont be any space for any roundtable talks for things like what might the future of to growing be what will its place in egypt in society be after this . How will you know, how will the various political entities rehabilitate the 30000 or so europeans from to graduate, fled into neighboring sudan. There as there is lots that remains to be discussed. Wasnt addressed in her one or 2 minute briefing, that she is 11 years old. Had to really had a we had a much longer conversation by feel at the moment. This idea about when peace may actually go, since it was very important. And which is why i wanted to stand up in particular with you, ms. Betty. The idea of there being friction between the government and the Regional Government. If the t. P. M. Left, this is going on for such a long time. Why are we now in a conflict . Well, there are many reasons i think, why the conflict author was obviously as you know, the e. P. Out of dave, which for him and it was so hard to cross and which that g. P. L. If was it part there would be to about 4 or 2 years. It was a very brutal dictatorship and it had very serious human, massive Human Rights Violations that have made very serious corruption sat in my sleep scale. So as you know, but before 2018, there were many protests in many regions of ethiopia for demanding for political change in the country that happened only a sleaze if you had a gift, had lost any, you know, ideology, kind of out of its great state and coming into part of that in 2018, was exact to create a kind of a new kind of political dispensation in the country trying to get to the source of some of the deep seated problems in the country. So owned quietens out for them as, a p. R. It gave continued new prosperity parties at mr. Abbey, i met formit and typically every 3 to temecula. So its significant that in difference in terms of how they want to resource deposits, contributions a country, thats what its tactical, basically sort it to people. If it was not ready, its very tragic. I mean, for more than 40 years of political support, its very existence in this country. It hasnt never tried to reorient itself to change and kind of political change, which the country needed actually, urgently sort, little and on any idea, put ideological change. If you see even that person, the people that, that leaves his party for 40 years as a state. So its really breaks my heart because for anyone or observing that what if you could change in the country in egypt was already for the lines. The country in the country, you know, change was needed and was on his opinions as a country. Our strength in july, you dont change by i hear anything more as he says listening to you as well. This comes from him. How does that add has all new chief, thank you for being part of this conversation. Nelson ethiopians with us today, of course, is the now achieved that is t. P. L f. Is the aggressor in this conflict, correct . Does the t, p l f have any genuine grievances aluna you pick up without one place . Ok, well in fact, the provocation was made by the federal government for the last 2 years. It has joked that i wrote this to connect originalist as a rest of the country was broke for 3 years. And there was disagreement between the debian list and the rest of it beyond belief. These were in the party and forming a coalition and new coalition party. So that means if i dont say that they believe us for vulcan and the conflict we are witnessing now. I dont even agree with what precisely 30 off the us tried to claim calling this conflict. Law enforcement operation is a joke for me. What is transpiring on the ground right now as we speak is actually a civil war. A civil war expanding to a regional conflict that in what was the Syrian Government . Now we have the us, the album out of being a villages into guy using dross. So we can, you cannot say like this. This is just a Law Enforcement operation. Transplant for the last 2 weeks, almost now on the 3rd week. So there is, you know, distortion of facts. What we are always missing right now is kind of little refined. And you know, if i may, im going to bring in another voice because another voice from outside of ethiopia, the aspirins is very vocal in this conversation. Its very hard for us to get forces from, with in ethiopia. Because of things on going come out, signed. Whats not spent the pinion see sicker, and this is what she told us about what is happening right now in her country. The war thats been waged against the people have to go is having a devastating effect. People are fleeing their homes in the thousands to the sudan because theyre being indiscriminately bombed because theyve lost access to basic needs. What were seeing here is an impending genocide. We need to all speak up. We need to use our voices, our platforms to speak up against war because no one is going to benefit. So could i assume the journalists point of view, which you really are sick of the media . Theyre looking at a genocide, is this civil war . Is this war . How would you define the ends . Well, i think over the past 2 weeks there have been a number of claims and counterclaims us to exactly what has transpired in ethiopia. What was the instigating cause for the military clashes . Broke out on november 4th first thing 1st, there are no internet or phone services to the entire region. So there is absolutely no way to independently corroborate the claims that are left, for instance, just made. And what we can say is this is that for war it takes 2 sides to tango. And the grain in general going to chorus of self made, you know, hurt to cool things down. Or we have, we have one of the insides more than 50 or in size until imprisoned. And you know, this a lot, i dont guilty of exacerbating the tension of what evolution is and when it is of lead to war, it only requires that it required both sides. The objectivity and there are some rising starts. So uncompromising stances are one of the great sides of the mission between the not Regional Government and the great and the federal government in addis ababa. So hopefully with the restore ation of internet services. Over the course of the next few weeks, maybe months, a journalist will have a better chance that determining what led to what . And obviously the breakout of the horrific a military conflict and the and sowing humanitarian disaster moon, despite about 100. 00 military. And i mean, theres a point to, there is no, no, no, i dont call him, i just going to gunpoint and im going to go yonder in atlanta man, because i know what is i dont want dollars and 1500 hours or so to get it. And if he has more than 51000 in prison right now, as we speak in our days, how are you going to justify this one . As i think i will, is that the record . Not that im sure if i do you think, im sorry, i dont know. What do you really, you know . Surely i dont know if we have a division i was enduring or not. You really cant be so much of a subtle gemini. You can also feel that youre all talking at the same time to school time out, or write a new finish, just a sentence going ok. Ok, we have this concrete evidence from the interNational Community in the International Media was a city 1000 civilians have fled their country and crossed the border to sudan. There are suffering from humanitarian crisis right now as we speak right soon. I do not save lives, and i dont think im going to corroborate that with what i have here on my laptop that i can share with him since hes the head of the un. And thats the uns refugee agency, more than 25000 refugees. And while frankly, the tea great region of ethiopia to sudan, messam that this speaks to the issue with military action and the impact that has on civilians tool to us about exactly how per pan. But its the federal government to take care of civilians. Well then doing this hacky on where theyre looking for perpetrators and bringing them to justice in their words. Yeah, its very tragic. I mean, we should not be very objective of whats happening and when there are bad things, obviously we should be very sympathetic to the state. And i dont think we should always to excites, you know, one in this kind of conflicts. So its really breaks my heart to see more than 20000, people out of, you know, refugees now currently going to sudan, mostly to grandstand or so some had us as well because the border area. I dont know how the boys ethnic groups living got around here sort of, its very tragic and the condition integrate is very tragic because this particularly, you know, is it, you know, its complex for many years. I myself, my family leave in 2000 part of to great. My family thought was if you feel if some time part of my family fought for many years, but its good for many years. So we feel very sympathetic and, and of course the government should trade as much as its come to provide humanitarian support and provide humanitarian access. But nevertheless, i think we should not, or the search or saw claims of genocide claims of it. It can sink. I mean, i dont know what could be responsible. What if thats what its our position. Im not, not at this. No, no, no, please, please. I do not. You know, were not going to cause a lot of this is not going to do justice for the people of the great, im sorry. d its not the only judge of our own people to the last to the young to care about. The people of the grass agenda has to see that they dont have supplies here. Im receiving and theyre not going. Im going to raise, i mean, you know, you know, human life as we could at the end when i am cannot thank you for a moment. The way you see it, because were going to let you come into this conversation as well. Maurice morris make, make a point, you know, you did not finish your plate in the finish. You watched in there finish, you know, finish your sentence. You know, my point too is that i learned how to. Yeah, im just saying talking about ethnic cleansing, genocide is absolutely out of the picture. This is very dangerous that you needed and how do i, you know, that even though you were at the end of the conflict, i know that i dont believe your ways about the area. Like you just bring him, are slim, bring him us, mississippi, a conversation with our audience as well. Mara says, do you think the marginalization of the tea, great people, parenthesis, which i dont agree ever happens, and not justification for attacking the minute she front, stationed in the region and stealing military weapons . How are you going to just defy the killings by the army in the thousands area of the country in will i for example, 75 civilians. Innocent people have been killed by the military thing one day. And how are you going to just fight just before todays 7 . Or was it me or i must have been killed by the military in the area of a leg up in a district called i feel how are you going to justify this . Is it because the army was attacked in initiative . And he said he wasnt. Ok said our video inside our nation is letting Syrian Government come up. Here is a it will have to be objective. You know how to take your pick your. I dont know what you can handle. I dont know. You dont get a lot. You dont factor in if you do. Yeah, i have my, im always going to look at him. I can guarantee you. I know youre just really good, but just my family, you dont even know. We dont know what we, why dont you work is it is not only you can also want to know, please, what we hear is that you come through very distinct points. We hear that i dont hear every word youre saying, but we hear that your very many disagree with each other. Let me push, but we kind of give you a side. So he points, you know, what happens and i do not see a military. So yeah, our gentlemen young enough that i have needs young us in this show. I do not want to waste movement. Ok. Its concerned about how we get to peace. I walk my it happened if you 2 are war inc, this in conversation and theres a regional war going on in ethiopia. What is going to look like by the end of it . His 1000000, somethings are we are 5th through that part of that is more or its all going to come for one of the great part of the body for me that its likely its going to be for some time if theyre already gone for a longer period i fear that there will be a massive humanitarian crisis. A mighty good economy with you markets of the country, really vendor for your guy who does internet. If theyre going to, how survive this conflict . I dont think i dont see the gravity and i would a variation of this secor i asked the vet isnt a concern so that when i spoke to Prime Ministers office was, was not even on their radar. Was like, thats never going to happen if you will Stay Together from the sources that youll go into the picking up. What are they saying about the future at this point of your country . Well, i mean, i guess thats the crux of the problem, isnt it . Its not even on their radar. I think we need to come to grips with the fact that this war will definitely have a do a sitting impact on the social fabric of the country. I mean, were hearing reports of atrocities, mass killings in town from refugees who are landing in sudan. Meanwhile, in the capital city, only days ago, youre seeing parades and near celebrations, calls for outright support of the military, despite the relative impunity with which they are conducting their operations. There is the sympathy that referred to thats of all the other words, you need to realize that there are communities suffering there entire population of suffering there, there in there are, there will not be there will not be any winners in this war. There will be a lot of losers and there will be a lot of heavily impacted populations have shown a concentrated effort to try to sort of relieve them of their agony. Not even in terms, not even in, not even indexed in words, not even. There has been and there hasnt been any open express of solidarity cause for restraint from our own armed forces. And this a guest shows how the viewpoint of under different communities contrasted greatly. And i think the concerns are expressed are and are, are based on, i mean theres, theres a way to these claims, i would say, so really go to my laptop here, gentlemen, because i want to show you some of the International Concern that im seeing right, now. Since this is the u. N. , a high commissioner for human rights concern here about there should be a ceasefire. This is prism 70 of uganda. It is an ethiopian. If we dont come to some kind of peace agreement, the entire continent of africa, it have a bad image. That tweet was deleted. And then this is from the African Union. But i believe even when you delete a tweet, you probably still mean this is when the African Union in africa need in our asking for the immediate cessation of hostilities. And then from the Prime Ministers own account meeting here, with officials in rwanda singing about peace and security. So International Forces that are involved are concerned. Im going to ask you briefly maisonette. What difference does that make to a Peace Process . It doesnt make it here is difference, i think obviously with if this war drags on for a longer time, obviously the International Pressure for a peaceful settlement, which it would be much more greater because obviously the humanitarian situation in the ground would be also catastrophic. Saw it all depends on how manageable this conflict would be if the federal government, as we hear it, if the advance and if they try to neutralize the situation much earlier, then the social would be much to cover. But obviously the concern of the interNational Community is very understandable because if youre tragic for many reasons, its a cancer for more than 110000000. 00 people, People Security wise, it has significant ramifications for the entire region. So these concerts are very understood and but of it, the problem is, and i know you talk people talk about peace. But the problem is people, it has only a bad name. And im sorry to say this because so many better ones. Im not living there. And i thought id ask you very few lays out until your analysis. Were right at the end of the show. And gentlemen, if you would allow me to wrap it up. But im going to do that with a voice from the t. Gray community here. Feel that their concerns are not being met. Have a listen to tekla. According to these, to express my support to the to go people and government who are at war against a dictator who has been destroying bombs on them. Killing, according to reports of hundreds of people and subjecting people in the thousands to flee to neighboring countries, likes to call on the interNational Community to step in and of heard the crisis if left unchecked, could send the whole new pup. We got into darkness. Im going to give the last voice to after a vibrant community on this conversation, not ghosts, and its rainy. She says its while to sing the abbey at night. Just won the Nobel Peace Prize in 29. 00 t. And was in the year when discussing intense conflict in ethiopia. Gentlemen, im going to rest areas to save my being very serious conversation. Thats very and i think thank you very much on vibrant conversation. It is not over yet. I am taking new audience to Instagram Live and let me tell you who im going to go there with sam. Do you really . Who is from Amnesty International and you will find us at a. J. Stream . Its super knife from wednesday. Thanks for watching everybody seen next. Joined me Richelle Carey is up at the front questions to my special guests and challenge them to some Straight Talk and political debate. Front row times on aljazeera from the aljazeera London Bureau income to take then the american state thats been, theyve unprompted, uninterrupted. All of these, these divisions of the working class of working people. And they keep us from realizing our collective collar money crapola meet homemade. Then if you obey the market for 30 years, you begin to work a bit and believe it was over the last studio to be unscripted. 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