Civilians have been massacred during the fighting, going to does near to grey in the city of gonda. Were talking about since it started about 9 days ago, called the kushal tooth, under civilian casualties. In some parts of the piggery region, im not giving any confidence to the people who are already 100000 people who were already in connally, displaced within the region, even before the conflict. How it did, and what must parka happened. Just about a 100 kilometers from where we are right now. You know, a small column called my cobra. In our other headlines, more than 40 people have been killed and 20 others a missing after typhoon vanco battered the philippines. Extensive flooding has destroyed thousands of homes and emergency workers are still trying to rescue trapped residents. Its the 3rd typhoon to hit the country in just 3 weeks. , top u. S. Government and Election Officials say the president ial election was the most secure in american history. The strongest rejection yet of Donald Trumps unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud. The group found no evidence that ballots were compromised. China is now the latest country to congratulate president elect joe biden, on his way in. And one of the most powerful officials in south africas Ruling African NationalCongress Party has appeared in court on fraud and corruption charges. Prosecutors say millions of dollars of Government Funds were misused when a smuggler surely was a provincial leader. He has denied any wrongdoing. The headlines this hour, i will be back with another update for you in about 25 minutes time. Thats off the upfront, which is coming up next. A big breakthrough this week on a coronavirus vaccine. Does this mean . All of our pandemic problems are over the top epidemiologist, but 1st u. S. President is still refusing to concede defeat in last weeks elections, claiming without evidence that the vote was rigged. Despite this keep figures and his party are still backing him. Why last former republican congressman, a truck supporter, turned truck critic joe walsh. Joe walsh. Thank you for joining me on up front. So joe biden has been declared the winner of the u. S. President ial election. He is set to become president and january. That is a done deal, but the current president , donald trump, is not conceding, hes still pushing, baseless claim, saying this election was stolen from him. And in fact, if you were public and leaders are even pushing back on those claims that enables the president to continue to push his life. Some of him are pushing those lies as well. Many of them have not even congratulated by right. Weve never really been at a point quite like this before. What does it say about the state of the Republican Party that is so beholden to one man says does tweets. Rasha great to be with you. It says that the Republican Party is a dying political party, but understand, youre right. Weve never been here. Weve never had a president who has literally for 45 years repeatedly attacked our democracy. So what donald trump is doing now is not at all a surprise refusing to accept the will of the people. This is who years hes a traitor, hes a traitor to this country. But to your point, we know that about the Republican Party now is you even more beholden to him or shell. And i think donald trump is, you know, dominate the party for the next 4 years. Are you surprised that so many republicans, very prominent members of congress are still toeing the line with him. Hes lost. They dont have to do this. Well no, im not surprised because look for the last 3 years as i was out there saying things about donald trump. I would hear from my republican colleagues constantly in private. Tell me they agree with everything i say about donald trump. But they were afraid to say any of that publicly, the same thing were struggles going on. And now heres the deal. Theyre sick of trump, they cant stand, they want trump to leave, but theyre afraid of trumps voters. They dont want to lose trumps voters, so even though trump as lost, they dont want to alienate just voters because resell almost all of the trumps voters right now. Believe trumps lie that this race was still run from him. Thats what the republicans are afraid of loosing. They dont want to lose. As im glad you brought that up about trump, supporters and particulars, and youre still plugged in with the, with a lot of them and a lot of what they think they really do believe he actually won joe for shell, they really, really do. Its amazing because i come from that world. His supporters used to be my supporters. I literally hear from thousands of them every day. And i have for months and right now, every single day telly being exactly what trump sets this race was stolen. Millions of people voted for joe biden. Magically, ballots were flopping from the sky. Richelle they believed in and understood. This is the base of the Republican Party. So if youre ted cruz or your nikki ately, you dont want to, you dont want to say that it was stolen because you want them to support you. So joe, you were in last year that if the Republican Party did not stand up to trump, they would be wiped out and 2020, trumpets lost, but the party actually did not do that poorly. Do you think it would have been better for the health and future of the Republican Party . Had they been wiped out at the polls . Yet its a great question. Its a great record show. Trump, joe biden. Hes our next president. Donald trump, one as well though. He got more of his people out. It was an overwhelming repudiation of trump. This im richelle. I really, donald trump made one per president. Again, 2024 no matter what hes going to keep in space on our phones and on r. G. P. Screens for the next 4 years. Hes going to freeze the Republican Party, so in a way, it would have been much better for the Republican Party if it had been an overwhelming repudiation. But that didnt have that. Trump ism is alive in what you have called, trump ism, and the world around him. Youve actually called it a cult. You have work with a lot of these people. You know these people. How were you able to lead the, the sinking ship or of the cult is that war . And many of them have not rachelle it is equal im not the only one who said that look, i voted for trump in 2016. Not because i love them or like to meet, wasnt hilary. My biggest sin was i didnt pay enough attention to dons from. As soon as i started to Pay Attention to him after he won, i realized that he lies every time he opens his mouth. And hes incapable of acting in the countrys interests but rachelle, most of his supporters who are not yet it, they have so. Ringback far invest it, they dont understand it. You say america . And i dont think thats the cheney. I really dont. I think most of his supporters are going to stay with him. Which is why when i began a few minutes ago, i think the Republican Party is a die party. I really do believe more than 70000000. People did vote for donald trump bright and under show this week, this is what you said. You said, im not one of these people who will say, you trump supporters, youre despicable. Youre deplorable for all races. I dont believe any of that. I believe almost all of you are really damn good people who got conned by a fraud. You got caught by a con man, joe too. Damn good people as you put it in vote for a racist. I think dem good people. Rachelle justify that. Theyre not voting for a racist even though you and i know donald is a racist. I believe race resellers, part of it. Look, the Republican Party right now is basically older white people who are dying. Right. They live in small town america. Theyre older, theyre white, and theyre dying. Race for shell is part of it, but why they still cling to donald trump is because the american they believe in is disappearing. And its made him angry in confused. They dont understand why donald trump cant belong 4 years ago and said, im going to build a wall and now ill save america. And they clung to him, racist part of it, but its also just their jobs early. There are leaving, but thats also happening for black and brown people and theyre not responding that way. Exactly. Because again, the older white people want to return to the 19th 15th sabera. Were never going to go back to that in america. But the Republican Party rachelle instead of making better case that were never going to go back to you or the Republican Party ignored these people. So along came a democrat lite them. So let me ask you this, then you talk about what resonated with his supporters. 4 years ago, you were one of his supporters. What resonated with you . You know what rachelle, what resonated with me, what is the disruption . I believe. And i still believe that american politics is broken. Both of our parties are pro, in the whole thing is broken. I was in congress, i saw this struction often thing, and i think our politics is some disruption. Well, he did not need or sit at odds are he did not need to race that we did not eat a narcissist is in a bubble of pushing the countrys interest ahead to consult. We need a puppet to again, richelle i was guilty and cheated. And ive put, show how to, how can you say that though . Because even before donald trump ran for office, hes been a public figure for decades. He has said and done racists incendiary things. Hes been dishonest for here is how can you really say he didnt know or you werent paying attention . Come on. I did. I did. I feel richelle. I figured its just a goof is just a blowhard. Ive never watched a stupid, really show. I dont need what i do this about him. Oh no, but when i didnt Pay Attention to things he said and did back in new york city, look for show he wants you to hillary clinton. I was that enthusiastic supporter. It blocked me on it or back then because i would criticize him. I hope was he get elected. He will play a lot of golf in maybe hed appoint a couple of people and maybe a couple things might now i was wrong. Ok. All right. Ok. And you have and you have, but this reckoning still needs to happen even though you have apologized. And im curious to know more about your evolution. So before donald trump sort of calling you names and blocking you on twitter, you did say things like is trump loses, im grabbing my musket in what you say, Something Like that. Because if you get, it was a musket. The famous last tweet, the musket tweet was from those when im going to grab my musket and im going to fight for freedom and limited government because im still a limited government service. Im the lection day rachelle in 4016. I sent out another must be i said, no matter hillary or trauma, im going to grab my musket white, read him in limited government, meaning less till theres. You could a felon, joe, you couldnt. You could have said that without invoking a musket or our violence or whatever you could have said that come on, i could of this, you know, i love the idea of a mosque and what about, i thought it works. But i thought it was kind of funny. Oh us. I still look, im a big gun guy. I thought it was just a funny way to put it out there on twitter that im going to fight for freedom limited government. I dont walk that. Im still while yeah, politically. I opposed. So joe, you apologize for some of the things youve said, but when it came to black lives matter, you have said a lot of bad things about them. Right. And when a Police Officer shot in dallas a few years ago, you tweeted this is now war. Watch out, obama watch out. Black lives matter punks. Real america is coming after you also said that black lives matter should be categorized as a hate group. How do you feel about those comments today . Ive walked back a lot of those because ive opened my eyes in urban, ive spent the past 2 and a half years talking to black men and women who i respect in this country. And look, im very pro. Im still very pro, but ive realized over the last of the asquith to appeal eaters, that cops do not treat black lives the same way. They treat white lives. If you had me on your show 4 years ago, if you said joe black matter, i would have said strictly shall know all life better. But now i understand how important that phrase is black lives matter and us white people need not lives that we could move in that all. d lives, matt, you have said that you do feel were sponsible for nudging the u. S. Along too to having donald trump as a president. So what more do you think you can and should to, to rectify that . I believe those are shallow and when i hope we plead challenge down from the republican primary last year, it was a public apology tour because a lot of the personal, ugly politics that i engaged over the past 10 years helped give us the beautiful thing about trump. Is that he selp wake ice up to this ugly person all the chicks, and i dont engage it. Or i think step one is to get rid of all and weve done that. Step 2 now is for people who believe what i believe a little early to sit down and appear with democrats, and you have to respect our own decisions about issues there. Find out where we can find the ground. Do you think thats going to happen any time soon though . Its not just a matter of being polite to each other. Dont you think that this election has exposed just how deep the divide is in this country . Its not about just being polite, you know, and its not about strong either because results well divided america. This country was divided, or troll trumps the oath the product of the divide. Were still going to be divided next fact, were still biden. Is that recklessly unite us . I do understand we have funded and will differences. So what are those are going to shoot . We need to have heart ins. I want to be a part of it was our undersea shits, but i think we need to try to do it respectfully. Joe walsh. Thank you sir, for joining me on upfront shell of multiple countries across europe announcing new curfews and lockdowns, the United States surpassing 10000000. 00 coba cases and spats between brazil and china. Over vaccine trials bro, looks like its entering the worst and most challenging phase of the krona virus pandemic yet. But theres also been some good news. The u. S. Pharmaceutical company, pfizer announced this week their new vaccine is more than 90 percent effective, but who will get it 1st and will it work over the long term when us to talk about what this means for our lives and the challenges ahead. As our 5, holding an epidemiologist and help economist who is a senior fellow at the federation of american scientists. Eric, thank you for joining me on up front. Before we talk about the vaccine. Lets just kind of check in on where things stand right now. With this pandemic, its been about a year since the corona virus 1st emerged. It seems that the world is entering a new phase, possibly a deadlier phase. There is fears. Also, that is when terror comes in the northern hemisphere, the numbers can get exponentially worse hospitalizations are up in the u. S. And in just the 1st, 10 days of november, the u. S. Thought 10000000 new cases in the immediate future. Eric, how much worse might this get our exchange . It could get much more worse before it gets better. Because if you look at the trajectory, were at 10000000. 00 a minute, but the 8000000. 00 took 20 days, many 1000000 took 14 days, and it 10000000. 00 only took 10 or 11 dates. And at this rate were averaging 120000. 00 cases a day in the u. S. Were going to hit 200000. 00 cases in the u. S. By the end of this month. If this rate continues. Which means basically every less, less than a week for ww, and the hospital beds are full. And you can add more hospital beds. We can invent more doctors and nurses. So in terms of actual crush, were hitting their brains where people cant get treated and just feel sore even through there. And with the winter, not even here yet. Im really worried because were going to see a real bad onslaught this winter. So lets talk about this announcement from pfizer. Pfizer announced that in this initial phase 3 clinical trial, the results indicate that this vaccine against the corona virus is more than 90 percent effective. Obviously that sounds like amazing news, but theres a lot we still dont know. We do know that there are cases of people getting infected more than once. We know that this virus can mutate. So can you put this news in some sort of context for us . You know, this is a very preliminary analysis, so this trial had over 43000 people and this is the only had 93 events as in infection events. And that just means that compared to the placebo that back scene was, you know, when the rate of the placebo was so great was for infection. So thats good. But its only for the 1st 7 days on average, 7 days follow up after their shots. And so we do have no idea about long term efficacy. We have no idea about safety enough because we only have 93. 00 events. We need a lot more, we need hundreds, if not thousands of infections are truly know the full extent and how long. But this is why we invest in more than one vaccine. So one vaccine, its hopeful, we dont know how long it lasts. But i think having more or more different vaccines that adapt to the virus in different ways allows us a more robust combination of preventive treatments when next year comes to roll out. So pfizer has said that by the end of 2020, it will advance factored enough doses to immunize 15 to 20000000 people. That, that sounds like a lot thats about the size of new york city. But in perspective, there are 7800000000 people in the world. So obviously that is very, very small, that little bit of math for you. Thats about point 25 percent of the worlds population. How do you decide who gets the vaccine 1st . Thats a very good question. I think traditionally, traditionally people have prioritized Health Care Workers because theyre on the front lines treating patients. And if we have doctors and nurses getting sick that actually hurts the rest of the epidemic. And then theres the central workers and front line workers, those who work at say, grocery stores, those who work in nursing homes. But again, we have, we have millions and millions of Health Care Workers in this country. And you know, the rest, the rest of the world also has the same supply issue. This is why at the beginning it will be very, very difficult to get your hands on it. But thats why i always think the general population has to aim for late spring at the earliest, but most likely, later this summer before it becomes widely available. How do we even decide which countries might get it 1st . I mean, obviously, politics, its money is going to be the rich and the powerful people that have access to this 1st and other countries are left behind. This is a pandemic. This is not a, you know, 1st world country developing country kind of disease exclusively. As long as this virus is in any part of the world, the entire world still remains at risk. So this is why rolling out the back seem to entire world, equitably and affordably is so critical. And at the beginning, i think obviously the u. S. North american, you know, u. K. Will have access to our work speed vaccines. But again, putting all of our eggs in one basket is not necessarily the best idea. We could actually be more successful if we can actually cross share and see this vaccine could be better in this situation. This vaccine could be better in this situation. We have to see, we never really saw in the u. S. The strict lock downs that we saw in places like asia, europe and australia would never happen, even if the numbers are going up. Theres real talk of a lockdown like that. Why is that eric . Do you think is it because of that . , its been so politicized in the u. S. , the talk of individual freedoms. And is it a mistake . Do you think that if we had had this Strict Lockdown that other places had that we would be a little farther along in this . Yeah, i think the strictest in the lockdown is very different because that though what, who hunted and what singapore and hong kong did was just, you know, leaps and bounds much more strict. You know, for anyone entering hong kong or singapore, you would get her ankle bracelet actually, in terms of your quarantine rules being well, anyone who flies the u. S. Has almost no quarantine measures. Their contact forms are actually not even checked by custom in the border control. And you have no idea where they are. No testing entry, testing is needed and a lot downs. We cant, theyre not going to see it by themselves. We have to test in context, race rapidly, quickly. And we did not do that either. And also japan, assuming that this virus was airborne from the beginning and as well as korea, they took the precautions against an airborne virus. We did not. And we had way too many laxity as a call exceptions. All together, u. S. Reaction to this is, has been very terrible. And i think its part of our culture. You know, freedom is as we say, but its also this trust in government where people trusted what south korean government did. Hong kong and singapore government did in taiwan government did. But in terms of solidarity and trust, we have a very fractured ok. And what we do, eric and i, lets just be honest. Part of that is because the president of the United States did not encourage people to wear masks. Multiple members of a staff have gotten coded, so he really not set an example when it comes to this, right. And even a week after losing the election, he has not conceded. So thats kind of slow in the transition to the buying the ministration. Does that concern you that were in the middle of a pandemic . And theres not right now a smooth transition to the next administration that needs to deal with this. Oh, absolutely, and thats what i was trying to get. Theres been so many ways in which the pen demick is amiss and whats troubling ministration. Lack of testing like a p. P. S. Lack of defense production act, you know, like contact tracing, a mass testing or, you know, deployment. Theres so many things and of course the downplaying of masks, of hiring scott atlas to push quack theories around a turd immunity. Dismissing that almost virtually no, you know, no one actually died. Its all these things have been terribly, terribly on for this response. And you know, we knew about it, but they did nothing for the most part and i would say. And now all right, theyre all there in terms of the transition. They are refusing to approve any transition funds. Theyre refusing basically to accept it by anyone. And so this delays and hampers the transistor transition and ultimately hurts Public Health response hurts trust in science hurts everything. What were trying to do as epidemiologist, Public Health scientists, to stop this epidemic and spew conspiracy theories on top is just just the last thing we need right now. Ok, that will be the final word. Eric bible bank. Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you. And we will be back next week for that instead of the Business Leaders has vowed to buy no brass. Paul Business Leaders has vowed to buy no brass pall on countering the cost. The once mighty financial capitals of the world have been reduced to ghost towns by the pandemic. Can they reinvent themselves . Plus to accuse president of far as the Central Bank Governor up to this summit, little steps down as finance minister counting the cost on aljazeera god of the plan for more dollars on world love god. We are grappling the extra mile where all the media dont go. We go there and we give them a chance to tell their story. Oh, i Maryam Namazie in london, just a quick look at the headlines now. The United Nations is saying its concern was crimes mice. It been committed in ethiopias more than tigre, a region where Government Forces a battling local leaders. When the fighting could spiral out of control leading to heavy casualties, a 10 day conflict has already killed hundreds of people and sent thousands more fleeing across the border to see don. Prime minister ahmed his accuse the to great Peoples Liberation front of treason and terrorism. And says the offensive one and until its removes, Amnesty International says schools of civilians have been massacred during the fighting. Some of them acted