So sadly instead of crushing the virus it appears that the trumpet mistaken will use its final moments in office and the desperate last step to destroy every possible protection for American Health and well being so many people have said to me a private some of you along the way what damage do you think that trump will do between losing the election and the swearing in the inauguration of joe biden maybe even phrase it quite that way but thats how i heard it and we knew that he would be up to mischief separate and apart from that trying to destroy the credibility of our elections which we criticize other nations for doing and now ways all enemies foreign and domestic make an assault on our elections well we have one domestic but apart from that on the policy side which is why we are here people asked that question. What will he try to do that is harmful and one of. This week they show their hand we had suspicions of it but can speak publicly about it because until they went public this week the trumpet ministration put forward a radical new rule that would make regulations from the f. D. A. And other health and Human Services agency automatically sunset alessi agencies undertake a cumbersome time consuming process to renew them this is the time when we need full attention every f. D. A. On the Development Approval of vaccines this is an opportunity cost but it is a reflection of their disdain for science and governance theyve been messing with the whole process of the f. D. A. Trying to to diminish the importance of of. The trials that are necessary to approve efficacy and safety of it that seen the lambda rules this lame duck trump rule seeks to paralyze government and generations of lifesaving protections and try to burden the new president elected by the American People are right out of the gates of the trap administration wealth with to seek this regulation rule on and. H. H. S. To other agencies as well people have been asking for while as i said what can we do clean air clean water food safety you name it this is a dream of the radical right way 1st they started the recently one undermining the Civil Service and now theyre trying to say unless we exit review phase all of these regulations they will be sunset now we do believe that regulations should be subject to review thats not any objection thats part of the process but there is. There is a way to do it and it the way to do it is not to 1st 0 in on the f. D. A. At a time when were trying to achieve a vaccine for the people and this is. This is the birth of the energy and Commerce Committee and thats why im so glad and honored by the presence of the distinguished chair of the energy and Commerce Committee youll hear from him about this if i refer you to the National Register of november for the day after the election they put this destructive rule and a congressional record more from our distinguished chair thank you mr cologne for coming down to be here we want to know it is here that it was nancy pelosi the speaker of the house of representatives in the u. S. Congress as he was talking predominantly about the impact of coronavirus in the United States as well as the impact on the economy and jobs i want to go back to our correspondent alan fischer in a 2nd but let me just sum up rapidly changing scenario we have here joe biden is now i head in georgia nevada and in pennsylvania biden has 264 Electoral College votes trump has 214 the number to hit is 270 any single win for biden could effectively and the race but a recount has been ordered in georgia ok lets go back to allan in that you were able to listen to. Nancy pelosi talking there its the 1st time weve actually heard from any of the senior democrat side before this point and we. Definitely declaring victory she is saying that the biden hardest administration will soon be in the white house and taking action just to clarify a point while the secretary of state in georgia says he thinks it will be. Under georgia law its up to one of the parties to call for that recount so it doesnt automatically happen even though the margins are very tight indeed as far as the Truck Campaign is concerned they have put out a statement in the last couple of hours saying that this election is not over the false projections of joe biden winning. Is based on the results from 4 states which are far from final theyve talked about where they might possibly take legal action a given indications of where and some of those 4 states you think there were problems in georgia or the think it was harvesting where people go around collecting up the forms from people and perhaps even voting for them they said that observers were not a load and to the count in pennsylvania something that they raised in court on thursday and was dismissed by a judge although they did when a legal victory to a low some observers into some polling stations in the valley they see that people voted that by mail in ballot that when title to vote and of course theyre saying that donald trump is still on course for victory in either sooner even though that has been called by fox news that is one organization that they specifically mention in their statement at the moment donald trump is some 47000 votes behind joe biden in arizona so without any evidence of these issues that is the Trump Campaign essentially laying out where the think there could be. Some benefit for them for pushing forward with legal action in those states what is interesting of course is that they want the county to continue where theyre behind but they have been saying in some places that they need to stop the currents particularly illegal ballots as donald trump and some members of his family have designated them although what that means were not entirely sure would be surely dont mean although i think they probably do a 1000000 ballots ballots that have been sent 10 that may be a stand on the 3rd of them but which many states accept as legal and then allow a period of time several days before they arrive and will be counted in many states that doesnt become an issue but of course when the races are so close. In pennsylvania and did georgia then it becomes a significant issue so youre right about nancy pelosi being the most senior democrat yet to speak we understand that joe biden is why i think another address to the country at some point on friday probably later on and friday a peak time on the east coast here in the United States but that may be tempered by the news that comes out of georgia and pennsylvania in the coming hours allan thanks very much indeed thats. Something the whole process of the campaigns till now hes talking to us from washington d. C. And thanks very much indeed i want to bring in kristen salumi in philadelphia custom philadelphia pennsylvania is not becoming a real focus for this election talk us through how the count is progressing. Yes well pennsylvania has the 20 electoral votes that president would need to eke out a victory here and right now it looks like its heading in joe bidens direction he continues to creep ahead of the president in the vote count here with 98 percent of the votes having been counted hes ahead by about 6700 votes thats just a 10th of a percent but that lead is expected to keep expanding as the last of the mail in ballots are counted primarily in urban centers like pittsburgh and here in pennsylvania which lean heavily democratic in fact 87 percent of the votes here in philadelphia so far have been going for joe biden of course throughout all of this president has been attempting to discredit the process and launched legal challenges along the way particularly involving the Philadelphia Convention center behind me where much of the count is taking place he did win a Court Victory minor Court Victory when he was allowed closer actually for poll monitors. The judge said that they could be within 2 meters the campaign has continued to cry foul that they have not been given that close access to be able to watch the vote counts here thats been disputed not only by the democratic governor of pennsylvania tom wolfe and the attorney general but also republican senator pat toomey who said that he. Found the president s attempts to discredit the vote count here disturbing and hard to watch he said that theres been no sign of fraud here and that the allegations being made by the president s Campaign Staff are just not accurate and those allegations seem to be resonating however with some Trump Supporters there was an arrest in the Early Morning hours here of 2 people believed to be from virginia they were driving a vehicle with cumin on conspiracy stickers on it they had a weapon after officials here received word that there was a possible plot to attack poll workers at this location so a very tense situation joe biden pulling ahead 20 electoral votes up for grabs here. If the final result is within a half percentage point we could see a recount triggered automatically here in pennsylvania at this stage its not clear how close the lead will be but it does seem to be trending in joe bidens favor kristensen were talking to us from philadelphia kristens like you very much indeed ok lets cross over to jamal whos in wilmington delaware of course that is the home states of joe biden bring us up to date with the coming out of the biden count at the moment. While the fear here is pretty interesting were just outside the Campaign Headquarters of the trade center here and there is an increased number of members of the public who are gathering here. With by then harris cards with pictures of the man they believe has won the election in anticipation of a possible address at some point today i dont know if you can see in the background some of them are on some of the chairs there with the. Cards in support of joe biden interesting years were hired from this speaker of the house nancy pelosi essentially she called the election as far as shes concerned that she believes biden and. I have won this election coupled with that there was a statement made by a Campaign Spokesperson for Biden Bateson he was asked by one of the journalists here his response to a comments made by trumps lawyers about. Having 0 intention to concede to admit defeat to which the biden spokesperson said that he believes the u. S. Governments and here is the quote the u. S. Government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the white house essentially hes saying that they believe that its a relevant. Doesnt admits that he has lost if hes going to try and hold himself hold himself up in the white house hell be forcibly removed obviously thats just maybe talking tough but it shows that the confidence of the coupled with the atmosphere here and the movements that have been going on with we heard now put those you talking about them getting down to business with regards to cope with in the stimulus package and so forth add to that the increased security that this special services curates services here have dispatched to joe biden on the no fly zone above his home. Basically you know if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck he is very much being treated as the president elect albeit he has not yet come out and announced his victory so well just talk us through what people in delaware have been saying to you when youve been out in the streets of wilmington and you had a chance to talk to a few people how have they given the fact that that is joe bidens home state how have they been reacting to the way that this election has been held. I mean there is definitely its a theyre in a peculiar situation where you spoken to people obviously in fact a lot of people when they see us with a camera theyll come and talk to us and ask us has it been announced yet so there is great anticipation people waiting in fact some members of the public even though there were smaller groups were coming from yesterday hoping to see joe biden on the stage behind us so this is his hometown there is a lot of support for him there was a lot of anticipation people waiting for the results but there is also a very clear. Sense that there is. A hope for something new Something Different maybe because these are coming from their supporters they believe that he will help fix what they believe Donald Trumps administration has damaged over the past 4 years be it in terms of the social fabric and how society is now a lot more divided or be it what they perceive to be his mishandling or failure to handle the crisis but there is definitely will be the case in any election a lot of. Ease that there is still not a victory or a definitive results there whats important also to bear in mind when were talking about the divisions you know were just here in delaware obviously weve been speaking and youve been speaking to our colleagues across the country one of the most evident things that have come about from this election is it has become. Crystal clear that there is a very Clear Division in americans like to use this word a lot. Right but this point or is it isnt didnt simply just come about because donald trump has been in power for the past 4 years it may have been exacerbated may have been increased but there are severe underlying issues that need to be addressed when youre looking at the economic disparity when youre looking at Race Relations when youre looking at the in democrat racism that exists in certain institutions all of these things are things that have come to the forefront this election hasnt really solved that issue because trump for example didnt. Has actually received more votes than he did in 2016 by then on the other hand received more votes than any candidate has ever received so maybe more intrenchments in both camps will be a lot of analysis of the demographics of who voted for who and why but the very clear 4 lines that exist within society particularly when were talking about economics when were talking about jobs when were talking about racism and so forth those are issues that exist on were sure when reese you know once the victor is finally announced and we start looking forward to what their main priorities are going to be those issues are going to be high on the agenda jamal thank you very much indeed thats talking to us from wilmington delaware. Jamal just said u. S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has already called joe biden the president elect while lashing out donald trump lets listen and it appears that the Trump Administration will use its final moments in office and the desperate last step to destroy every possible protection for American Health and well being so many people have said to me and hatch some of you along the way what damage do you think that trump will do between losing the election and the inauguration. Maybe quite that way but thats how i heard it. And we knew that he would be up to mischief separate and apart from. That trying to destroy that credibility of our elections which we criticize other nations for doing and now with our enemies foreign and domestic and making a start on their alexion of what we have one Domestic WellPresident Trump has promised quote tremendous amount of litigation contesting the vote counting process in several states is campaigns filed suits in georgia michigan pennsylvania and nevada various suits in those states include allegations of late and invalid votes campaign observers being denied adequate access to cases in michigan and georgia being dismissed for lack of evidence none of the complaints provide examples of times massive voter fraud claims but hes promised to take his case all the way to the Supreme Court bruce fein is a former u. S. Associate Deputy Attorney general he says chance not making any ground with his legal challenges. Already several of his litigation initiatives have shipwrecked because there simply was no evidence that vote for being counted that should not have been counted both in nevada and in georgia there was one ruling a minor one in his favor saying that the republican poll watchers could be no more than 12 feet away from the vote counting but theres no evidence and its of a new case that voter of being counted that should not have been counted so the problem that mr trump confronts is that he doesnt get away in a court of law simply shouting fake news there is fraud you actually have to produce evidence and there is no evidence of fraud thats actually been a deuced in the state and federal courts its also speaks volumes in my judgment its not just mr kissinger. In the house it there is been no prominent republican in the house or senate including minority leader Kevin MccarthyMitch Mcconnell the majority a senate who has echoed mr trumps claim of quite spread fraud even if the claims are faulty he has a right to pursue them youre not required to prove your case before you enter court but i think it will destroy any claim that there was an affair ventilation of all of this claims before they were dismissed and add more legitimacy to the outcome of the president ial vote. Ok to discuss the rapidly changing election scenario lets get a perspective from both sides of the political divide with good tara dowd shes a Democratic Political and Marketing Consultant and were also joined by steve rogers hes a former member of the donald j. Trump for president Advisory Board he was also the adviser to the president s 2016 president ial Campaign Good to have you both on the Program Thanks very much indeed for joining us lets go to steve speakeasies joining us live via skype from nutley in new york steve given the way that donald trump is handling the Current Situation as the results come in there is speculation that the trumps might attempt another another effort at being at the get into the white house in about 4 years time does this not smack of desperation and really undermine any future attempt for the White House Well not at all we must put things in perspective if we separate all the hate thats going on from both sides of the president of the United States has every legal right as joe biden would contest to request investigations to request that the courts look into this election now saying that im going to agree with the democrats and some of the republicans that there has to be evidence i disagree that that evidence has to be publicized so it is my belief that the president s team is pursuing this court action based on evidence they have so we need to wait we need to see we need to calm down and lets see where this takes us. Given the fact that you have some personal experience of donald trump you were part of the the Apprentice Program that he was involved with talk us through what your impression is of the way that the president is currently handling this situation. Well the president is handling this situation as we expected him to handle the situation which is not well he is lashing out because he knows that he is losing this election and im fortunate lee for the American People his lashing out includes engaging in divisiveness. Violence and undermining democracy and that has been his m. O. Any time his back is up against the wall any time something does not come out in his favor lets look at the facts the fact of the matter is at all of these polling locations on election day as well as during these recounts both the parties have whole watchers also known as observers or challengers that is a bad there is a process that you go through to become a poll watcher and you are accepted by the county and by the state to serve to make a pass at the end most states require training what trump is trying to do is send other people down to do this to be really be disruptive they are not poll watchers so thats number one to trump saying that he doesnt have access or the his people dont have access is yet another lie also he encouraged his own voters not to vote early so now hes mad that the people that voted early were democrat and that their votes are being counted when he was the one that asked his own supporters not to vote early and i could go on and on and on the back of the matter is that this is how trump behaves democracy is fragile our nation is really at a crossroads were at right now and trump wants to light the match steve let me bring you in there because do you think it was a significant logistical misstep to undermine the mail in ballots process so much. Well let me share this with you that i havent spoken to anyone including democrats that like the idea of mail in ballots to begin with here in new jersey there is investigations going on here weve had postal workers have been charged with crimes thousands of ballots have been found in trash cans and you know i could go on and on and on thats happened around the country so the best way to vote and weve read the party itself has suggested that lets do it the way weve always done it go to a poll show your id you push a little lever and you go home if we did that we would not have the problems that were facing today so its not undermining democracy in fact i heard i read reports today where some governors around the country are now beginning to realize well this may not be the best idea to go maybe we have to turn the clock back a little and again we have to wait for evidence we have to see where were headed a lot of accusations being thrown around but the its going to be all about what evidence is presented to the courts and then well have a clearer picture as to where were headed to it let me ask you about the fact that theres no getting away from the numbers that donald trump has achieved in this election there is clearly a division in the United States and a great many people in the United States do agree with what donald trump says that he stands for now in the event that we do have a Biden Administration how does a Biden Administration address all the often legitimate concerns of those who voted for donald trump. Well i think the the 1st step is is to not divide right well number one dont try to divide people dont make neighbors enemies dont use race and class and religion and Sexual Orientation and gender as a way to divide our nation so i think joe biden has been very clear throughout its campaign that he is seeking to unify the country so i think the 1st step is to actually be intentional and want to unify the country right so thats something that we havent had for years i think also the bigger issue for this country right now is the kobe 1000 pandemic which is a Public Health crisis and the accompanying economic Health Crisis that were also facing as a nation and then the racial issues that we face as a nation and so in the process of developing policies and clear plans to address those issues some of these issues will subside but lets be very clear in the United States of america weve had a lot of division for years weve had decades for the thimble war in this country we had violence in the 1960 s. So these are not new issues my issue is that donald trump has made these issues worse hes exacerbated them but these are not new issues and were not going to fix them with a why the administration of any party and the other thing is i just want to go back to the mail in ballot people been voting by mail in this country for years utah which is a heavily republican state has had a boating by mail so this is not a new thing thats happening in the United States this year its existed for years early voting has existed for a year or so so claiming otherwise is just factually incorrect steve i want to vet in the event that things change and that is very possible that they could do over the coming hours and donald trump does get another 4 years in the white house will he change his stunts given all the points that tara has just made all the structures that are quite clearly existing in the United States at the moment will he actually change his policies do you think. Well lets think about something here the greatest fear that the American People had in this election was socialism its no secret the Democratic Party has driven down the throat of the American People associate with the genda even to the point where their own leadership yesterday made phone calls to nancy pelosi if you are out to stay away from socialism so the president s agenda has been anticommunism antisocialism in america 1st more minorities in the history of these elections have now voted for President Trump in this election Unemployment Rate minority communities is up i mean i could go on and on and on about his successes but you see this excesses of President Trump doesnt fit the narrative of the Democrat Socialist Party they need to knock it off they talk about unity well knock it off lets come together i can tell you there are republicans that want to unify the country i believe the president s message is going to be the same as far as america 1st and maybe look we dont all agree with the way he says that. Presents himself but when you talk about doing he did keep every promise to the American People so i say that that wont change but perhaps maybe with a little coaching will tone things down a bit tara let me ask you about one thing that has repeatedly come up which is that the democrats over the years many years ago used to be the party of the working people and there is an allegation that the democrats have lost sight of that and as a result the republicans have stepped into that breach is that its a fantasy that in the democrats over the years have taken the i off d their core beliefs and have moved on to looking for ended the benefits of International Trade for example Climate Change and so on. Well Climate Change is very dangerous for poor people if youre poor youre more vulnerable to the impacts of Climate Change so i think the the were democrats could improve been better articulating their policies and how those policies do and backlit people but ensuring that people have access to affordable and Quality Health care thats not socialism that is taking care of working class people because those are the people who are most vulnerable to not having insurance and having to use the emergency room for health care which is unacceptable even Ronald Reagan did not agree with that i think that the policies of the Democratic Party are very much for poor people i think this is im betting this is that poor people are not just the White Working Class theyre poor Asian Americans in the United States there are poor black americans in the United States working poor people a lot of