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National league for democracy hold on to its majority. On aljazeera. Ok today on the string we ask why are so many indigenous young people imprisoned in australia some as young as 10 years old there were reports today show that deal with issues of suicide and self harm so i want to warn you so that your pad and if youre watching live on you tube you can share your thoughts and ask i guess questions just jump into the chat and i will try to get your comments into the shot. Indigenous australians are imprisoned disproportionate rights they are more likely to go to prison than black americans with long campaigned against high rates of incarceration indigenous children are particularly badly affected in australia they are 15 times more likely to end up in juvenile detention the white children our colleagues out to 0 as one a one east have been investigating this issue and have just released a film called young buck and behind boss howard. Its a storage room is a mother literally this is a soup you can going to prison. In this world install. It was just all metal around the you just fill up your courage to move things are. Going through. That 16 year old. Youre going to roll. Please please. Please give us. More subtle oshiro. Are still killing their kids. Who are. Joining us to talk about the incarceration of indigenous youngsters Meghan Crocker is director of the National Suicide prevention and Trauma Recovery project naomi muffy is a Community Activist and Kristi Sharma is a Senior Research at with Human Rights Watch we also asked the Governments National Indigenous Australians Agency to join us but they toned down our invitation bought they did send a statement and i will be sharing that with you a little bit later on ladies thank you so much for being part of todays show make and there are just 2 numbers that are in my head right now one is taking thats the age of criminal responsibility. The other one is 15 times more indigenous youngsters are incarcerated what young says in australia those 2 numbers are shock. What does that mean to family and if we take it away from numbers and we talk about family what does that mean. It means that its broken families families that it said it made subjected to racism discrimination. Marginalisation pretty clear over here in which theres right now as mentioned in the other video here we have a mother and the discrimination is really what we have put in National Suicide prevention and. My colleague and i your job is going to be talking 100000 people since september last year coming into contact with families who are broke and theres little good theres so much the spirit but being at the coalface its either. And its really. In the sense of the outrage that people are dealing with peoples Young Children its in your soul 1112 years old working in some of the banks over a short period of time. You can see that there are many challenges for our people and our young people in todays climate in which they stray any practical this nation are in trouble. That way you appreciate this because when you were young you had a brush with a norm or more than once can you explain how a young person hes from. The Indigenous Community in australia how. Get into that situation because their school affects and then this president. You know thats right so speaking a bit more personal journey over the years that has not only given me healing been an understanding as to why things were the way they were with amazing young girls so i grew up in a home where there was. Lots of. Family violence and abuse but that came from my mum being of stolen generation and as a young girl i didnt understand that so growing up i followed in those footsteps of my aboriginal mother who i love dearly but i had a lot of trauma so i was the install in boy d my mothers white foster father which they put me in a cycle of around 11 years of age of starting to come in contact with the Justice System and experimenting with drugs and alcohol and crime i mean people in cattle on sat on a stolen generation isnt it also people in different parts the well where there is colonialism or there was plainly and basically what happened for the stolen generation was children were taken away from their families and putting institutions or other families because they felt that they could be looked after better were of them with the indigenous or 1st nation families that in itself is our whole conversation but just says that you want to stand what happened to naomi interestingly enough there are voices of accountability in this one i want the stock you mentioned i want you to hear one of them this is tony hassel hes a corrective Services Commissioner for Western Australia and heres he is explaining why it is so many indigenous youngsters are incarcerated lets have a listen. Today indigenous incarceration rates continue to increase between 2004 and 24 tane the number of aboriginal prisoners nationally rose by 8 percent i accept that there are too many Aboriginal People in prison i think we have to own up britain incredibly complex problem to resolve is the system for a sister i dont think so what were dealing with is as ive said a group of people emerging from karzai and we have to be honest about accept. Colonialization not racism is interesting at 10 a hassel is able to separate those 2 pretty i know youve spent a lot of time looking at indigenous incarcerated people would you just say its just systemic racism thats what it is. Well its you know its the result of you know as a dispossession structure discrimination into generation trauma and definitely basis im the Current Situation is a National Tragedy where you have generations of indigenous families that are in a revolving door caught in prison you know ive met a number of prisoners where you know i meet the person but their fathers and their cousin is also there and uncles aunts of that and theyre all in prison and i think its you know important to highlight that this is not new this has been going on for you know over the last 3040 yos and more and there has to be political will to address the situation the stories that we have documented are just heartbreaking prison is a damaging and often deadly we have seen very high read of deaths in custody particularly of people with disabilities Indigenous People with disabilities and i think that needs to change. Now i mean when that. Go ahead go ahead oh no its just going to say state attorney has full and National Suicide prevention for Recovery Project there has been a lot of profound done in the community so his pain of gratitude for the support for some of the most much all of them vulnerable in terms of the rights of the rest of them sent back to the original sin of the oppressed and still continuing in to today so into. The criminal Justice System which makes up the courts the place the prisons but its failed in that its more than that its about the government government since the calling us i should have continually sought out a full year in year out so in terms of with this right where we are the mother or child weve had 393 papal type the last 393 yet we only make for example the state population in terms of incarceration right the young people going in and out of prison it has increased every single year and its not getting any better in terms of pointlessness homelessness is absolutely apparently sure that the big paper not only in Western Australia but in date across the nation so you have people coming out of prison and what no way to go to that is a systemic failure and that is the failure of the School Government so until we get that right until the voices of the papal are included in these policies in these strategies nothing will get better thats a really long painful im going to take many houses are being priced too many about paypal which i absolutely love doing because thats what im doing thats why i am but the bottom line is this the grim reality is that we have brains out tom and tell me again why one town for the next and its having a profound impact on our table. And just to add to that if i mean i think its not just about over representation in the Justice System its about what happens behind the closed doors prison is like a black hole once people go in there is very Little Information and what happens to them and Human Rights Watch has done a lot of research into the abuse and neglect indigenous prisoners face in prison particularly those with disabilities they can be routinely bullied harassed sexually and physically abused and one of the Critical Issues that we see is the use of solitary confinement because there is a lack of training in staff you know a cry for help is often seen as behavior that is disobedient or someone who is acting up and so the response is punitive people are locked up in a cell for over 22 hours a day in extremely sterile and conditions you know given a smock to wear. A heavily monitored environment on the c. C. T. V. Camera and this just a very good i lack of support and so this is in terms of Mental Health care so people really do have a sock to self. And often end up attempting to pick their own lives as meghan said because of the feel off the stage to provide any kind of support that is have some questions for people watching right now and i want to put. You can take this one why are 10 and 11 year olds not separated from older children what is the situation in Western Australia. Very young people who are incarcerated where are they compared to older children. So when with this right they have one juvenile Detention Center and thats throughout the whole state in which this phrase the message that but for example children who dont really can relate they have become a bit on the way out of. Family so there is only one institution with mystery where you know that irene has written and thats a huge flight and some of the galaxies have never been on a plane before and theyre taken from an area that is outback its rural and then theyre sent somewhere else or so away from their parents and their babies like a teller 11 year old as a baby or this one and im going to find this one to you know i mean this is also on that than some people are asking this is this is a question for the ages why are Indigenous People treated so badly now i mean if you thought that look you know thats thats a good question i think that it goes back to what the other ladies were saying before around us is dimmick racism and just the way these countries brain drain you know established on lies and racism and the genocide of our people so d it can be in direct as well you know i remember as a young girl being at school and although i say good gated from from my aboriginal students and classmates and yeah i was picked on the a lot of Promise School so even by most cool teachers so i think that its just the way it is in this socalled lucky country. Let me bring in tina kelly who is in the. Documentary im going to go to back and straight after this i want to see what meghan downs of tension has in the community shes a support system she is a shoulder to cry on youre going to see this literally make in montana kelly lost her son he committed suicide or he was incarcerated he was a young person and i want you to see what meghan douse for her job and how she tries to help this havoc. Charlie was living on the streets and took his own life after his lawyer told him he was likely to go to jail for 4 years the commission. Was meant to miss. It coming. So you must. Please open your. Make and do you remember that moment. Most definitely its really heartbreaking. I have a lot of encouragement that is that locally to reach all job was innocent so the same person whos going to die since we heard what happened just a great shot and show that love and respect and to see if there was anything that we could do to help them get through my one of the most kind for moments of the whole entire lot when you lose somebody and especially when you leave somebody so young it has its profound impact on occurs and basically its about showing that love and caring that respect and helping pay for 3. 00 moments. Not only have we engage with one to them but the way that we deal with a National Suicide prevention 20 Recovery Project is that we engage with the whole family and work through the arc of the shooting since weve been engaging with so many papers we have lost anyone and thats not doing especially about the marriage thing up and waiting to ask the shes a lady a Practical Solutions and thats one of the flags about what we said in a social support which is 24. 00 sevenths going to the paper because we do recognize that we support the narrative that people across the nation one who has a beautiful lady and were still waiting there and many of the families we work with a year 2 years on we dont close any one out and thats just how we. And what i noticed on tinas situation and also kristie youve mentioned this is what often. There are families who are incarcerated there are moms his daughters are incarcerated brothers his Little Brothers are incarcerated now may you were nodding up a storm when christie was talking about that you recognize that if that happened to hear you theres been 3 generations of women in my family that have been through the Justice System so my name my aboriginal man was thrown into jail after the children were stolen and then my mother as i had contact with the Justice System in the noyo unfortunately followed in the same footsteps but of managed to break that cycle male with my own children and thats recalled to healing and that journey of. Connecting with my identity in aboriginality i want to move us on a little bit because these stats and know this is not suddenly breaking news for strain breaking news for indigenous communities around australia so what are people doing now reckon youre doing what christy you are doing the research the information is out there so how are people reacting i want to introduce shooting Daniel Carrington hes a police cadet hes an Indigenous Police cadet have a listen have a. Lot of those people didnt trust me as much my friends my family closer to. Tripoli 123 months to like them but for me. Im still the same person in a beautiful. I think its the same issue with anybody who works from a community that goes it works for the Police People like what do you doing that for the next he makes an interesting point let him do you think that will help if the people who are in sourcing the door if they come from indigenous communities they understand the community and theyre not likely to throw people into prison for reasons that are more to do with poverty and generational trauma and most seen from inside the community and im not punishing them for basically the legacy of colonialism. Having people in the system is really and its got change and good image trust of all working lives its increases but its on the front line at the place where they. Will be publicly services and as we have been witness right here of course the most of those. In. Recruiting average will people into the original it can be really quite difficult for example the criminal to become so ready to start again to get into one of these were also going to be an issue so i really im with this trainer wanted well which will mean. And thats really quite high so when you get to a point where you can actually have some form we dont actually yes as a young person you may have been incarcerated so its very but when 302020 years later you do so i think im going to become a prison officer or a place officer when you say that we get an order to that person in many cases its not and thats one of the systemic failures that we have as a nation. Currently facing us but here its used to or its a beautiful thing where you can actually talk your community in with the only inside but its not easy let me bring into the conversation i could. Come right back to you just to give me a moment appalling right is a president of the law council of australia she spoke to us a little bit about restaurants what reforms i have a lesson. The reason the indigenous in cancer insurance isnt higher complex but we know it results from intergenerational disadvantage reform has to include raising need minimum wage accrued responsibility justice reinvestment its Community Driven a specialist in a sentence includes the priority in juvenile detention should be rehabilitated. Essentially it means including recommendations of ripped off to report yeah lassies conference Justice Group were rock commission into the protection detention of children in the Northern Territory and the role commission into aboriginal deaths in custody for stock hopefully if i have got the report in one of them 2 of them 3 of them go for it i mentioned earlier the National Indigenous Australians Agency they were not available to come on the this is the statement they shared with us study and government is committed to working with the states and territories to address the drivers of indigenous incarceration and improve justice and Community Safety outcomes for indigenous australians now they are saying that they have provided 216000000. 00 and theyll committing another 200. 00 to 67700000. 00 in the next year i can see reckon a saying in forward what im going to push this to critique kerry and no thats ok. What did they say but what do they say all they can with the critique this whole idea of reform the numbers of a your research is that Human Rights Watch Numerous Community organizations are really pushing for this idea of black ice matter in their straightly and context how hopeful are you that something is going to change that now. Well i think you you know to be realistic the report that mentioned the Royal Commission from 1901 you know its been 30 years since the recommendations of this so they really need to be political yes funding is important but the approach and the attitude needs to change you know as she said you were seeing that the approach is very punitive you need more training for stuff you need more aboriginal and Torres Strait islander people and stuff currently like Western Australia has only 4 percent of aboriginal and Torres Strait and people and stuff so its very very law and above all the laws need to be changed you know not raising the age of criminal responsibility is one but there needs to be a ban on the use of solitary confinement the needs to be more monitoring of prisons so the abuse stops then needs to be you know better training so that the service the provided enough in a manner that is appropriate for people who indigenous to do if you are an aboriginal person in prison you do not want to seek Health Services because it is a barrier it is a lot of research them you are all all sorts of names youre insulted on a daily being hit by a prison officials but i think it has to be a more comprehensive form. And also meggan you inspired a huge conversation is going on right now and the each in each of us thank you very much for engaging that conversation ladies thank you very much for being guests on the show we are not over yet theres so much more to talk about have a look on my laptop i would love for you to go watch that and behind bars. One o one documentary that we have been talking about for the past 25 minutes and the correspondent and producer of that film will be joining a. J. Stream on instagram on thursday at 2038. If you cant watch it on thursday june be there any other day because we will record it leave it there for you 2030 hours to. Do ambrose and myself talking about incarcerated people and indigenous young people in australia thanks for watching everybody ah see you next time. November on aljazeera. Following huge protests and the introduction of the beijing back National Security will carry lamb sets out had a vision for hong kong. 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