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Might happen especially. The opposition senses defeat weve been hearing very aggressive words opposition opposition both in towns in both in the mainland tanzania and zanzibar using a very aggressive told saying that they already believe that the election is being rigged attuned least to in his final campaign telling his supporters that if these results are announced prematurely if amys sense that election is being stolen then this people that hes supporters should go out to the streets and mosque process close to 17000000 americans have already voted with just under a week to go before the u. S. President ial elections the coronavirus pandemic continues to cast a shadow over campaigning with nearly half a 1000000 new infections just in the past week. U. S. Secretary of state mike compares his out of chinas ties with sri lanka during his latest stop on a tour of the region hes warned against Chinese Investment called its influence predatory china accuses washington of bullying smaller nations. In the u. S. Too big wildfires are raging through parts of Southern California powerful winds are fanning the flames and Orange County and more than 100000 people have been forced to leave their homes a local Electricity Company says its equipment may have accidentally started one of those fires the indian state of bihar is going to the polls in the countrys 1st elections since the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic nearly 72000000 people are eligible to vote for local leaders one of the worlds biggest electoral exercises since the pandemic began. Well those are the headlines do join me for more news here on aljazeera after the strain to stay with us. Is the government to take the necessary action to really address some of the structural issues we listen i still think that travel is the safest mode of travel in the span that we meet with global newsmakers and the stories that matter which is there room. For me ok and youre watching the stream today people in pakistan for weeks people have been taking to the streets to protest an economic crisis mass unemployment high end of rising food costs the opposition say they want Prime Minister imran khan out but it doesnt look like hes going anywhere there is a lot to get n. T. If youre watching the you tube you can join the chat of be part of todays conversation if youre following via twitter tweet us at a. J. Stream. Joining me to talk about the situation in pakistan we have come our hyder our desires correspondent in islamabad well hes the finance and Health Minister for pakistans path to province he joins us from peshawar and. Shes a political organizer who focuses on feminism and gender issues in islamabad we also had a representative from pakistans Democratic Movement they were ready to speak to us today but they dropped out just before the show saying that he was against their partys policy to debate a provincial government representative minister jagga were you aware of that where you were as you were today we to be debating with what do you make of the how its ari call it. A little bit all new york. So were seeing protests right now in pakistan rallies big rallies and they are asking for there to be change which is the slogan for the ruling parties the slogan from iran khan what do you make of them how do you explain the numbers turning up who are unhappy. There are protests that have been pretty awful that in the rally. The opposition that i think. The opposition job in particular with what they have with their brother look all pick. Up on. Do our job right and wrong all being all politics over the new. Over the idea. Oh id well i wouldnt i dont think of it right that occur are you what be mapping out all of that why the matters that have been korea opposition rally. Were talking in all of that are led by 2 parties. That are basically ordering to mean it all then that the early on by familial i mean these and i think you get me to think that all of why running away from what the program or that it or not. Where they could have prevented their own so many so let me go to one of those rallies this one is from october 20 twentieths in lahore and you mention one of these political dynasty so were going to go to money in no wyse she is the daughter of the former Prime Minister nawaz sharif and this is what she said at that rally part of what she said at the rally so listen. That derek 2 jacobi promised me that you will hold them accountable for the hunger at your own homes and tears in your eyes suffering families and promised me that when you asked yuri give you a call when the pakistan Democratic Movement will give you a call you will stand with your sister and your daughter when she comes out both gotthard bergen thats very passionate what you have what the minister said how he characterized what was going on and he didnt say the same protests he said they were opposition rallies how do you catch mice what is going on explain. Honestly i absolutely disagree and i think its really unfortunate to paint it as such because i do think that while we can question the mortar over why the opposition is doing what theyre doing i think that that can be debated and i do think that the debate of i think i think the direction of the conversation needs to be taken away if wrong elite politics and talking about means stream Political Parties. Away from the ruling party and opposition parties and whatever is going on between them onto the masses and we cant simply ignore the fact that masses are attending these protests or or these rallies that. Will have you believe its not that these these the protests are being attended massively by people in douglas to show that the people arent arent happy with how things are going and how the government is running the ruling party is running this country and simultaneously i think its sort also worth mentioning that that its not simply the b. T. N. Movement out at the moment. Resisting the status quo or resisting how the government is how the ruling party is running the country but simultaneously there is a lot of resistance coming in from all quarters so we have Students Health workers street unions and workers in general staging protests in cities all over all across pakistan at the moment which we dont see on me in stream media and baucus on because of the writing of reasons of which censorship is the 1st and foremost we in the last few weeks so now i want you of the minister to respond. To the respond back to happen a step. Look i dont member thought and we talk of censorship dog bed and i remember a time when there was any who is to be spared heading the Opposition Movement on you tube sitting in a flat in london while hes at a point when hes convicted green your disagree with that but you dont need revolutions on you do you when youve gone abroad. With the permission of. I im glad that the next step the fact that most of the opposition may be debated and i think that is really important. Indeed those motives have to be debate that the lady that you showed the daughter to make our Prime Minister laci. Very convenient and its quite on order yet and are you doesnt give a single Public Statement when she knew that that is all that the government of women if you put the is going to give some sort of flexibility to. Be and when they feel that that is not the kate theyre going to suddenly start having to go to. You do not need. Like their all the movement to print a poem out not all convenient if youre doing it but a lot of you do it can. You do it because you believe it the right thing to do now no one will tell you that everything would bark upon it. But when you believe me about a cog you work through difficult times you work to fix them and i also dont believe that we can just. Go on the air if they dont pay in. Broad a from an ox number in our world ever gone through one of them all challenge and yet in the 100. And make thats going on. Fine when the very government led by the very Prime Minister went through a very difficult they where they took them all but didnt get on but remember that movie and the new short seem innocent let me just let me just taking of a let me just let me just see how cd is responding to this because both of you could speak each for half an hour and i be delighted to hear that but i want you to go back and forth and then come out as we may fashion out of income. As he said within the context of how the it is and he said really tricky time for pakistan to be looking at how to use the People Better change and rallies and opposition voices this is what the minister saying is i economy member the context here and you say walks. I think i mean our this isnt just about i think i think again the thing with the government is that they would like us to believe that this is simply an outcome in a product that their bag governance and performance is simply an outcome of kuwait and that they deserve some kind of empathy but thats not actually the case theyve been here they were in power well before kuwait as well and there was a the food inflation was considerable. The inflation in lifesaving drugs prices was considerable Civil Liberties were greatly restricted and thats not thats not something thats hidden from from the rest of the world and all that the sitting government focused on instead was on on this entire conversation of who was loyal to the flag and who was loyal to the country or not and i think thats a very dangerous debate to simply talk about in this country where you have people starving and dying with jobs whatsoever and at the same time with food that is simply cannot afford so you have food that you cant afford and same time you have a job market that simply. Well its absolutely dying or or its dont come i want to defend your expertise here because we have a lively conversation happening on getting a free mentions in todays show so attention of pekin says there is no democracy in pakistan under the government. Respond to that come all 1st of all and then the other side of that conversation started saying. Its a savior of pakistan he has a chance he has his detractors. Well learned from all you have. On the site every time anybody and. Its good for all of the parties that you lose the election you never take there is a response political instability has been given primarily because of the polarized nation within the Political Parties you are talking about the Political Party is. The largest undemocratic and lines the group i am Political Parties the main party would be the bugis on peoples park a which was founded by the god of the. Ironic and a ghost because they put there was also promoted by a military dictator and later on. When they came into what he brought and so should lead them that particular modern national. State and that led to come out so august on industrial. As far as. It was concerned they were the. Guys in a did they call it political attack and made. By. George in general that he had said and then fortunately. There were no border taken august on for over a decade after its been a day. Thats a lot of the put. It demolished on yet but if you find my im looking at a laptop here of some of the many stories that you filed out of pakistan i mean looking back one friend and lyrica almost a year ago to the thai pakistan also position julians hand sinks time as the calls resignation this is a miracle what is the legitimacy for them to oscars from your perspective covering this as as many scientists will and will take this was like i think we are with us now it seems bill bradley. You know. Theres over drama run it down the plug. That you were referring to modify the rhythm on it for my religious barkada jay. There were let my as he has been. When it comes to religious schools around the country he can be heard by. The main avenue days. Bring back. However at the last minute they also complained that gave were let down by the mainstream Political Parties and therefore decided to and so progress on their Magic Development earlier emraan on them says. It didnt islam above the state did to avoid choice and now the open it shouldnt take the same so the sort of drama that have happened and everybody ended by get it on the opening that theres no more political instability because the country coming out of a financial crisis should not be forgotten that go though the president government had made some mistakes in its mistake that the bugis on economic measures primarily because of the. Government i met dynastic through. And they were with their minds followed to another family so fortunate but the government all good. Had to get their check together in order to be a because i described it as a very deep dive into the ice tea question son of a long con and then the detractors from iran contra johnson saying much i want to bring in need to come on me because she has a very different time on why these rallies happening i want to push this out. You are coming from this from a very different perspective thats what happened since of meat. The current protesters in fact use known should be understood not as a protest against the sitting government for gravity as a protest against the military so what is quite a pakistan Democratic Movement repeating and is a rule for Opposition Party lines will basically come together to call out the sitting government which is the fact that he can answer government. For basically being puppets of the military so that is the way we should understand it rather than an empty government kind of protest senior at the beginning of the show i must say employment be a column me this food shortage is a need is just saying its about the military which will take. I think i think you understand military and governance and markets than is to understand that its pretty intertwined so for example any put it in terms of were talking about its important to understand that the political that that the ruling Political Party and its linkages do the military has a lot to do with how badly the economy is doing so for example the how much budget is to the military how much money the military gets in return has an impact on how much money is there instead of spend elsewhere and and that also then has a lot to do with regional stability that has a lot to do with how regions where instability happens right in pakistan specially along the front years because dons war policy prigs will that has a lot to do with how pakistans economy fares and i think thats a much longer discussion to be had but i think but it sounds Political Landscape is intertwined with the military to such an extent that the economy sort of goes hand in hand with so i think its its a bit simplistic to see that movement is simply against the military its not the movement is against. Is against the ruling of the ruling party right now which might which if elected mayor may not be selected by the military but its also against how bad how badly the economy is doing at the moment because of. Because of the kind of economic policies that have come about because of. How much ok she enjoys i want to bring some voices from the cheapie for the minister when he said this is what. Youre saying on the whole idea of the economy what gets us why is inflation exponential surging in pakistan why does iran coddle not talk about it its a pressure weve got an Economic Strike well for the voting party how are you handling the hot. Remember a couple of things and give me a couple minutes 1st of all i dont think its military i dont think its anything other than selfregulation follows the opposition is concerned they havent thought about a single issue in the supposedly protests other than trying to create and followed or to mitigate cases its what the Prime Minister calls their often cotton model a National Reconciliation ordinance a disguise to try and wash them off the member that they the corruption whether thats a. Lot for the party this is a call that there has been convicted about the pope this is a politician whos. Whos a financial empire that was never relieved relieved by his old family until 3 days before the phantom elite when conveniently they decided to disclose the number of properties than they had any time i hear that and if you think im a quite extensively on out here in fact i think reading for the gangs about all of the stories i understand thats what this is all he cheese right now showing off to town inflation. Galahad absolutely you know because you said this is something we wanted to talk about and the Prime Minister the government keeps on talking come on dont think my web for it they come out in terms of the challenge in the myth that we have to think she told a program i googled caucus songs economy and me and you know what the 1st topic of that comes up another disease article called emelin aka spawn delivers Economic Growth but it wont call and then model the Economic Performance of emelin saying concluding that rockets are going to have to go to the i. M. F. And go to. Warcry very difficult. Are a crime in the absence of what who are people who. Cannot make them private if theyre leaning her meeting on good prices on controlling inflation almost every day and im like the opposition in the Federal Reserve there are things that put up the provincial representative because what i know the one thing that i all can believe about him on our coverage button for the poor and of rebellion to bring in whatever difficult part. And they have evidence that we will get through it give me that in audio no upper in nomic republic go bad if they like india where do you run cry greater than 10 percent you know a potted plant bigger than the large lump are you go ahead prop an economy that permits wrinkling rio do you mean grow poignant there because im not im really getting mentioned that i do because rick because one of the guests that we spoke to us from the South Asia Institute and he was he he he takes something of the drama which come out describes politics in pakistan he said theres more important things to talk about lets have a listen. Never should you speed as an opposition is irresponsible to see the least during called 900 pakistan imran khans administration and very christian religion decreases 28 he is no better and pakistanis definitely still better than either of them especially given that the china backs an economic good to do will. Always be she did when she said 1000000000 pounds little point 6 percent of its g. D. P. Not quite the rosy figures that you were sharing with us minister i want to go through all of you and just ask you a question about iran cotton in a years time why do you think you might be so packed why dont you chief says democracy is our right to choose alamedas most of us choose imraan khan if hes favored by the minute change then so be it the p. P. M. Can cry or if they want at least pat mine on you to come out briefly this Time Next Year in noncon what will he be doing what will he still be worried at a quarter 1000000. 00 question but i dont think it will be added on. On. Not people brought in or those with a huge. Country or them and if it were. Not get margaret go with he didnt get it straight before he. And theyre both going after here in chile. Where there is a government whether it be out. There double it or you know its already. Gone on up to here we will have to wait and you know thats a very i think and i dont know it is moving on ring of were after wait and see favorite line of every journalist when its a free for you where will it be this Time Next Year. I mean one thing about what. I did i thought. About military before. Going to 21 obvious over 2021 well weve now got 3 Prime Minister iran god willing still be in that job all right thank you mr siniora. Though for it unfortunate that the ruling party is still concerned about defending the military as a booster defending themselves because i knew we learned something we should be more concerned about and i do think that had them focused on their own performance and their in going in they wouldnt have the situation that they have great now and they wouldnt be facing such a big issue at the moment and if you would allow me to do that when we are at the end of the show xenia say Prime Minister anyone can this time actually yes no yes i dont think i dont think were going to going his own hands to be honest i think other people decided for him as to where he will be in the next year but i mean yeah the minister carabao its been such a pleasure as come our set theres a lot of jobs in Pakistan Politics you choose audience you are amazing thank you very much to be continued our discussion continues actually on instagram at 2030 g. M. T. 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How to make in prison some quentin outbreak on a busy you know. Is a type of performative activism. Lets go back to specifically you calling. The lights are on the theres nowhere to hide join me Richelle Carey questions to my special guest and challenge them to some great talking political debate. Front times on aljazeera. Moderate by violence and concerns over fairness tensions run high as voters go to the polls in tanzania. Where im to stand here today and this is al jazeera live from doha also coming up making their final pitch the u. S. President ial candidates seek to win over undecided voters with just under a week to go before the