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The way that you kaldis story is what can make a difference is sudan seeing a 2nd uprising protesters take to the streets again angry at the worsening economy they accuse the government of failure but these protests lead to a change this time this is inside story. Hello welcome to the program. Soaring bread prices led to the 2018 uprising in sudan now more than a year after the removal of longtime ruler. The economic crisis has deepened prices have skyrocketed food and fuel are in short supply and unemployment has jumped people back on the streets protesting over the dire Living Conditions they blame the Transitional Government for failing to revive the economy and accuse the army of expanding its power over those institutions morgan we force on the protests that took place on wednesday. Protestors in khartoum and various parts of the dam are comrie think the 21st of october which marks the anniversary of the 1st to the news revolution and 964. 00 now the black smoke that you see behind me is the result of protesters burning tires to express their frustration at how the government has been operating over the past 2 years protesters say that the Economic Conditions have been getting more. Since this government the power in august last year and they also say that the military is still in control of many institutions something that they say goes against their revolution which started in 2018 now protesters have been met with tear gas and stun grenades most of them have run away from where they are right now to just a little bit to where i was standing right now and then back again and they say thats because they did not accept this use of force by Security Forces now many of them also say that theyre not here to oust the president the government of Prime Minister abdullah but rather to vent out their frustration and to put pressure on this government to try to improve the Economic Situation as well as complete what they say is the demands of the revolution which is forming a transition Legislative Assembly and holding to account those who are responsible for killing protesters since 2018. A joint civilian military government has been ruling sudan since bashir was ousted. A military coup forced bashir from power following months of major protests against his rule in april last year a few months later the military leaders agreed to share power with civilians until elections were held a civilian Prime Minister was appointed and the time frame for appointing a lid just of counsel agreed an investigation was also a set up into the killing of a police 100. 00 protesters demanding turns into civilian rule after the coup but that probe has been extended partly due to the coronavirus. Lets now go the thoughts of our guest joining us in london mentally a man is a researcher Chatham House and specialist in the horn of africa and the students in her dorm join us horner Deputy Director for horn of africa and Senior Analyst for sudan of the International Crisis group also in london mother was a real she is to dennys activist and a member of this is any is Doctors Union in the u. K. Warm welcome to your. Is what we seeing in this new protest movement a continuation of the same pattern that has started. Last year but is it different. I think what were seeing is different. I think what we had yesterday in the protests were 3 different groups of protesters with different sets of demands you had more moderate revolutionaries from the f. S. B. Calling for as your report the correction of the transition and to improve it to writing Economic Conditions to implement this reforms to the Security Services and other institutions and to implement justice reforms over a year after taking control you also had a 2nd wave of revolutionaries who were mobilized by resistance committees and the professional associations and i think you know was very influenced by their communist party who were calling for the government to stand down Prime Minister Prime Minister hun dark and family what we had was a description supporters of former regime mobilize from the capital in iran and surrounds some reportedly paid to come to the protests while again protesting against the government its removal the removal of the secular government and rejection of other issues such as the normalization of relations with israel it was a different kind of demonstration perhaps not as big as some thought it would be and i think perhaps the government will be relieved that it wasnt an out and out rejection and that the u. S. States are a sponsor of terrorism the Listing Announcement this week may and tempted some of the hostility and jonas turns ishall periods are delicate and difficult to have seen that in Different Countries post 2011 spring but in sudan you get this feeling that the mistrust is deepening between the military establishment and the civilian girls and this explains maybe what happened yes. Yes and i think perhaps that. That relationship perhaps faces a new head winds in a way because of the recent clinching of the Peace Agreement in gitmo which brought in a lot of the most of the armed groups within sudan and that will have created a new set of dynamics in khartoum. As you know 1st of all certainly the military of sorts to get as close as that cant be from which is this collection of armed groups and has sought to perhaps you know consolidate that that that Small Coalition of of more of more militant minded entity thats it and against the effort see us see a course at 8 the constitutional declaration in august of 20 with that same military and and many of the groups particularly from within sudan our forces but many of those from the old guard who were protesting yesterday are very concerned perhaps about the emergence of a newly empowered margin that that you agreement certainly empowers the margins in terms of you know well if that and representation part its a really and so that in many ways exacerbates some of the existing dynamics that youre referring to. Manuel one of the key demands of the protests is the establishing of a lid just let of body as per the agreement was made last do you think that all of the parties are genuine about the need to having that just that if by the operating including the move his time is meant i think. As a part of the transition now i think theyre. Doing what they do look forward to it and not sure whether that will be the same case as their repeated transition because theyre happy to transition well its thought without thought it from that signing of the agreement and. That will extend it to another 39 month. And well give the military. Period to rule. And definitely people thought i was a particular pocket of the people on the ground the the the and stability that we have in different regions is be coals. That there is a lack of course the form of giving discounted it and that of course there was a delay in naming the governing. Governance for the for the region so i think i have one of the demands of the protesters who i would say that the group that stood on that mentioned is the group who are they they see themselves other guard of the of the revolution or they call themselves the greatest in committee one of the may give this 2 to 2 problem that it is the founder that expecting this to happen at soon because of course one of the all the things out well what is topping the formation of the council is that the Peace Agreement and now its already been talking so the discussion down on yes on the way to to to hopefully see the council soon which we hold that will take. Responsibility all. Reforming all of those institutions the rules for the of the protesters yesterday ok so the 21st came out to do it to the month a month tone vishal period uncharted territory and this explains why everyone is concerned about what might happen next. Dont you see this the call for a legislative body being resisted by different groups or at least by the ministry established and the reason being the moment you have a legislative body it would end up being the most legitimate organization in the state and it would be the one with the ultimate say over many issues in the country and this could explain why the military establishment is pretty much concerned about having a just as if council operating in sudan yeah i think kind of eloquently explained some of the delays that taken place would result to why the Legislative Council hasnt been formed yet nothing you know we are we are fully expecting that during the transition in particular now that we you know have to have that you get Peace Agreement in place. And that some of the marginalized and then armed forces will come into government that we will see the Legislative Assembly formed and i think youre right in saying that it will provide a check and balance on government provided check and balance on the Security Forces as well so i think this is an important body and you know i think it needs to establish it is. As soon as possible it. Is true join us the one of the other key demands is people are asking for the findings of the independent investigation into the the breaking up of the main protest as companies not only in june 2900 other government says or the transitional authorities are saying that they had to extend the investigation because of covert 1000 many people dont seem to buy into this nominative yes so in many ways its it is a. Very tricky question for the Transitional Government on the one hand you know the streets really demands to to have a verdict in this and there is a strong presupposition of guilt in many ways for the military although people do see. You know the big the genuine conclusions of the commission that has been tasked with looking into that pilots but at the same time the military on the other hand to have a real hold on the transition as as one half of the the harbor Transitional Government you know are very conscious about being labeled and been provided with culpability for the events particularly on the 3rd of june and they are very capable of loveline this transition of course if the if they feel that pressure on their on their backs and you dont see here is that both general i met you at the ritz for courses and in some ways to to a slightly lesser extent jennifer who was the head of the Supreme Council and of the sudan on forces theyre both working very hard to build their own Political Capital within this transition and so a negative a problematic verdict for them would really hurt their ability to retain social capital and the ability to compete politically or be a political by look at the presence of the mother while we got an indication of how fragile is the is the is the makeup of this on government when when when the Prime Minister was talking about the need for a government oversight. Over the companies are run by the military establishment on the spot to see what we saw but hand hitting back saying this is a red line do you expect this to further continue to strain relations between both the military and the civilian components of the Transitional Government. Right so i think definitely there is huge challenge in front of a formidable challenges as these transitions Government Faces one of them or their relationship with the military component and i think to many of us in the sudanese we know where theyre there and then we. And the one of the main problems of course that. You know out of the 30 years. During the previous regime that the the control over there is the control of the. Economy and most of the you know those companies are security. Companies Security Forces companies so. It is a reading challenge when it comes to the. Those there that the resources so that the the right resources and control and the government cutting them have no control over those companies and unless of course it is their own with we think hopefully by the. Assembly when they will start to. Roll is to reform the institutions whose duty and. Through the. Term allowing those companies to be to operate in a lot of transparency on it. Exactly then this will continue to be an issue and of course we will see air a huge risk then by their military component because that is how they are controlling of course the whole economy situation in saddam and were talking about the economy were talking about a country that is facing huge problems and im president of the rising inflation budget deficit flaws revise and prices of basic commodities still you dont get a sense of what the government is willing to do they seem to be very cautious when it comes to a genuine dramatic reform under structure of the economy because no one is willing to go that way. Yeah i think i think again the this issue comes down to needing to balance the interests within the transition in and the different transitional horses you know be they have it the cabinet be they. The f. S. E. In the different groups their constituent constituent the f. S. E. In the revolutionary forces and the militarys interest as weve just heard so this makes maneuvering around Economic Reforms quite tricky i would say but you know no no no nonetheless extremely important and i think that the minister of finance was alluding to the Economic Situation yesterday in talking about yes this to the list record saying this you know this isnt really going to. Lead to a quick improvement of the Economic Situation and the country and really we are talking about long term Structural Reforms that are required to deliver improvements in Living Standards to stabilize the economic crisis to establish peace and what kind of roll up federalism and institutional reform throughout the country but in terms of the immediate the here and now i think there is also a behest on the International Community on partners who have agreed to support sudan including 1800000000. 00 worth of support in sudan in particular for the Family Support program to ease the conditions for the most vulnerable which were seeing in europe highlights us name ok these these funds need to be mobilized quickly to lessen immediate economic pressures and support implementation of the Peace Agreements i think its a matter of a mystic reform and and indeed international were seeing some movement on one side and not as much on the other done us with now the removing of sudan from the. List of the sponsors of terrorism could that be conducive in the mid term in more investments Debt Forgiveness a new environment that could encourage more people to invest in sudan. Absolutely you know what one of the most culpable impacts of being retained on that list of states state sponsored terrorism was said and its just a general sense to others as a pariah state that and that did come with some legal Strings Attached its true although most sanctions came off most u. S. Actions democracies that end in 2017 and yet still they know the specter of s. S. T. Has has has helped in the helos and i would suggest that the immediate balance one would hope and i think theres a pointed out in his 1st response you know one of the main early bounces was really what was political progress mr hamann doc who you know really came into his office with the promise of being able to deliver on many of these promises from the chattel community and i think the Prime Minister was not due in expecting those those benefits to come back but again as a minister just said those benefits have not accrued i think there is has been a lack of belief in many ways from International Community in this transition in part because they see the ongoing primacy of the military in her and into power and place but in the in the same in the medium term the longer term this does provide them with access to improved access to loans to financing the u. S. And french have both said that they will be. Conference as a potential investors and the french certainly and possibly the u. S. Have said that they will write off the debt that sent them france was merely waiting for s. S. To reciprocate or they have to do is not up many sudanese are concerned about the Strings Attached to the. Delisting of sudan from the state sponsor of terrorism and one of those strings normalizing relations with israel is this something of that the government is willing to do during the transition. Well i think the government has been to face of this challenge and i think a lot of sudanese people feel. The way the link make between normalization. Relationship with israel as the listing from the state and is made in a blackmailing way and i think a lot of sunni than i am i so think that suggested and shoot seek that relationship you know International Race you see it with Different Countries and a bagel and you know what hes good who are there. For the country and not. What by 4th in a in any way in a in a political news by the by the by by the United States i think the probably i would say a lot of sunnis would not feel that that is any shoe in terms of normalizing relations with israel if it came at will in a way that you know will it lead from from say that its ok for that we dont think its current government has that with 32 to be transitioned over have no authority to seek these kind of relation and it should be left who are a an elected government who at Popular Assembly over there leave just to. Whether to normalize or not normalized the relationship with israel a comet engaging with the armed groups for the sake of a peace that would last incident pave the way to the deal that was that took place in earlier this month in juba except that the s. L. M. And the s. P. L. And. Are not on board and these are widely seen as the most organized well armed groups in sudan could that be a challenge in the near future for sudan stability. I think yes the implementation of the Peace Agreement and sustainable social peace throughout the country is one of the biggest issues sudan faces moving forward. You know you can see the Peace Agreement as a living document as members of the government including the Prime Minister has said and the fast phase of bringing peace to the marginalised starkly marginalized region and the conflict zones. And as you say there are important on groups led by of the like the lewin abdulahad that norah who are not yet included in the dale but some discussions are taking place including with the former you know they have they have different tracks and they have different issues of importance. To class is very keen on provisions on the separation of religion and state some of which are already included in the jirga agreement to an extent but i think i think one of the things to say about this important is really the real dividends of peace means beyond governing assigning posts to the movement so to other elite you have to deliver tangible improvements to security and livelihoods of people in the conflict region that were acquiring a share of responsibility for implementing the agreement of you know on groups of an interest and a commitment to devolve genuine or sorry to the communities and people within that was regions this is a country the weekly continues to face an extraordinary set of challenges a police if i show the Political Landscape and huge economic problems it would be interesting to see to see how things will unfold in the near future in the meantime im a city man jealous horn a model a jew but i really appreciate your contribution and your insight thank you. 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