Transcripts For ALJAZ Bellingcat - Truth In A Post-Truth World 20240712

Worrying scenes in the last hour or so this was a lot fuller than than it is now a lot of the protesters a lot of who were supporting various different opposition groups that its a very peacefully gathering here showing some sort of unity. Basically left because a group of rival opposition supporters from maine who support the new Prime Minister a man that was voted in by an emergency parliamentary session. Last week who was freed from jail by those protesters a group of them came into the square they were both tools projectiles thrown. Scuffles the statue behind me that you can see there were indeed gunshots. And as i say a lot of people here are very nervous and have left the square now the supporters of the Prime Minister most of them have gone back to where they are protesting around the Prime Ministers office but there is a great sense of factionalism here in tension this evening and as you say the president has called this state of emergency concern what he says about possible confrontations between rival groups we understand that the army is being deployed to build roadblocks to stop potential people coming into the city its been a positive day in terms of the president saying that he will resign but as indicated by the events of the last hour or so this crisis is far from over yet charles thanks very much you this childs tough reporting for us from be scared. The United Nations World Food Program has won the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize for its efforts to combat hunger and Food Insecurity around the globe the u. N. Agency says it is working providing food and supplies during the coronavirus pandemic had gone over and above the call of duty the World Food Programs chief says the award is an incredible recognition of the u. N. Agencies work in more than 80 countries around the world i mean this is the 1st time in my life ive been speechless like this well talk about the most exciting point in time in your life is the Nobel Peace Prize it is because of the ws the family theyre out there in the most difficult complex places on in the world where this war conflict climate extremes it doesnt matter theyre out there and they deserve this award and wow wow wow wow yeah believe it russia says Foreign Ministers from armenia and azerbaijan will attend talks in moscow that are due to begin in the next hour its the latest effort to end fighting over the disputed region of not all know how to buck. A french aid worker whod been kidnapped in mali and held hostage for several years has returned to a country so if you press on and was welcomed by president emmanuel mccrum she in mali an opposition politician semi in a sea say what among several people whove been released as part of a Prisoner Exchange deal. U. S. President donald trump is trying to arrange a Campaign Rally for saturday night in florida johns doctor says hes now completed his course of treatment for corona virus and that by saturday it will be safe for him to resume public in gages his Campaign Appearances were postponed after he was hospitalized last week meanwhile the speaker of the u. S. House of representatives is looking to introduce legislation that questions whether donald trump is fit to serve in office nancy pelosi says the top may be in an altered state and his judgment impaired because of the steroids hes been taking for covert 19. Those are the headlines the news continues here after belling cut truth in a post. By. After. Crashed. Finally that call. Into an american journalist has been beheaded by isis terrorists a video showing the risk they killing was released on the internet a short while ago along with a message to the united states. Went activists very very powerful. Getting out what they want to dance about 30 feet and still break down when. A hot air craft. Larry very. Crucial to. This is known since there are no Russian Forces anyway in the east of ukraine and fortunately the russian backed separatists who control the area continue to block the investigation the separatists are removing evidence from the crash site all of which begs the question what exactly are they trying to hide. We have to make sure that the truth is out. Before any official investigation into the tragedy of flight m h 17 is complete the website of one citizen journalist claims to have connected the dots during cat is run by Elliot Higgins a 36 year old leader of Office Workers among boeing can see were tools or you tube and google earth something higgins used to back his claim that russian big satellite images to play in the green army for the mh 7000 crash were when i was younger i was super super show i was in verse i just couldnt leave the house or show shy. Terribly nerdy is this hour i was really into if you game and i was very withdrawn as well so i got to computers and the kind of people do. I used to play these games a lot and i would like join a group and inevitably object to being the leader of the group because i was really good stuff. Ive always been like ive had this kind of assess if you see where i do Something Like really get into it. Ive just been looking at twitter and i noticed there was a you know i suspect you know and someone said of this james foley all of. This is to start for an american citizen culture. I just felt like i need to see do something so thats why for it see if i can actually figure out where this taking place. The 1st i notice is it was in this kind of very dry and arid area but in the distance you can actually see a very green and fertile area and if you are familiar with the train around raca. City as a state stronghold at that point you could see this valley with this river running for a cream but the hills around there were very dry and arid these are very dusty heavy area b. Can see in the distance all these individual trees so when you look at rocca this is exactly what youre seeing you see in this green valley with these hills and i basically just went through and followed this line looking for similar terrain and you can see here its very very rough indeed so awful that was the likely location and then i started looking up a little background details like these trees on the road and comparing them to imagery that was visible from a line of sight once i had a possible location i published it just to see if i could generate a discussion around where this could have happened and then several months later thats when i started thinking. I really was going to come here and talk to you about revolution but with the discussion of the post truth world it feels like a counterrevolution now and its been a very peaceful and quiet revolution. To smartphones thanks to social media and fights for the vast amount of information now Available Online to anyone and this revolution is allowed to new fields to grow i like to call this field online open source investigation can use it to influence the powerful with use it to challenge the powerful and we can bring them to accountability as well it used to be that the tools of Media Production were in the hands of the media. And with the rise of the internet that is no longer true. With blogging starting in 2000 and social media starting 2004 and you tube which i think started in 2005. The tools for Media Production have been given to the people formerly known as the audience. Doesnt have Institutional Support they dont have a big building at the hague or brussels where they do their work they actually publish very Detailed Analysis and many of them a volunteer is living at home they dont have security and so what they do is really risk a great deal to find out the truth in very complex situations that include major global play is. Essential to remove the pain. Of someone like you telling. Media reasons. And just recently exhaustion. Nefesh it would have been a problem even if. The mission really. Is lost on you know all my dance school so not based also by you kid. If you thousands of them are full of my lies you just publish a lot of fear not of who. How i got involved ellicott it was that i had been following the ukraine conflict so pretty much since the beginning and then when i made 17 was shot down and got curious because passenger planes fly very hard they fly that cruise at altitudes of 1010 kilometers i hadnt seen weapon systems that could reach the high so previously what ive seen is this is a troll who launched missiles that can only reach a couple of kilometers but nothing that could down on passenger airliner. If there were these pictures of all the parts of the aircraft that were starting to appear on social media and what at once it understand was that could we actually see any damage on the Aircraft Parts itself that could indicate what brought it down and thats how i got talking to that other people it was eliot that was our that that to me came along as well and we sort of naturally start i suppose talking to each other that at some point that eliots reached out to all of us and said hey do you want to actually do something in a more coordinated fashion and thats how we sort of ended up as the sort of core villain cuts him. I was at work here in charlotte at a bank and my job was to monitor events that were going on and try to see if theres any danger or risk to the bankers employees or travelers or whatever i focus a lot on you could rush your work because i started russian literature and graduate school so i knew russian and i did a lot of monitoring of things to do with russia and ukraine and i remembered seeing some news that a plane shot down over ukraine. That i 1st i thought oh its not the deal you know but another planet been shot down. But soon obviously as everyone knows realize it wasnt a ukrainian plane and then i like everybody else was wondering what was going on with her i was watching social media and i was watching a few different feeds of news and a member i had. Which is like the main russian state news channel and life news and the life news channel members stream specifically was her if they were showing the bodies it was awful you should people rifling through it was just horrible horrible scene and of course you want to know who did this why did it happen and how can you bring some relief and you know justice to it. We know the trajectory we know where it came from we know the timing and it was exactly at the time that this aircraft disappeared from the radar we also know from voice identification that the separatists were bragging about shooting it down afterwards so theres a stocking here but i really want to 1st understand what was it shut down with because that that would lead to the who did it. A couple weeks before and 17 was shut down there was a report on voice of russia that the rebels in east ukraine had taken over this book missile base in donetsk what i 1st thought that ok its conceivable says ukraine does also have books on the rebels if they had access to the books they could have access to people as well who could operate those systems but there was only then after. After a little while 1st learning that the same missile launcher had been actually seen in russia thats really when things started like the together and sort of the russian role started becoming apparent. The way citizen journalism investigations are trusted is different than professional journalism. In professional journalism you have the reputation of the b. B. C. Behind you. And the standards of institution are the basis for trust in citizen journalism works differently. Trust is generated not by the brand name or the glory of the institution its generated through transparency. And so in the citizen journalism investigations. What the journalist says is not trust me im with the b. B. C. Its dont believe me heres the evidence. Syrias dead lease. Is now even dangerous with both the u. S. And russia launching airstrikes but supporting different sides. This is the markets one month before that. More than 60 people were killed and its just a market i mean there is no military airbase its not near the frontline it was attacked about an airstrike why would you attack civilians i mean what is the reason. The core of what i have been doing with its human rights activism with some of my colleagues we started a Facebook Group called the surprising Information Center just in the beginning 2011 we were just looking at thing where the peaceful protests were coming from but that turned into in pointing human eyes variations and workloads eventually working on doing open source analysis cart. So if we go from the beginning so you see its like the 1st moment of the dark you see 4 rockets going into the market and we are trying to see if its a fake video maybe from a different country maybe in syria but in a different time and we have seen this has happened a lot. If you remember directors who filmed a boy that has been killed. It was just a film that they were doing and a different country even but it got a lot of traction when people use that as look at whats happening in syria right now but actually it wasnt happening in syria. So we need we need to make sure that whatever were looking at its clearly verified its not just propaganda. So you can see theres 4 bombs falling from the sky and then impacting 3 of them in a pretty much the same place a force a further out. So there we see the bigger impact here and then theres one further down here. Its hard to say what exactly it is but i wouldnt exclude either the syrians or the russians russians from this one but in addition to this it would be really good to see the actual remnants of the bombs themselves because that then gives you more data about what exactly the bombs were and that can tell you who opossum to strike the work that heidi and belling cat have been doing is critical theyre grabbing obviously large quantities of information much of which can disappear quite quickly from the internet and preserving it so that we have it for future accountability mechanisms one of the things that hadi and the syrian archive have been doing and weve been really trying to support them in that process is figuring out how do you code and label and tag all of these videos so that if for example a legal investigator later says we want to investigate this particular crime on a particular date and particular place that they can pull up that information quickly they can explain how they got it so that its transparent for a court of law and can then actually send it on to the investigators in a way that makes sense. But you. Know im i know most. Of the not i know it seemed to talk as she ever had not to speak. Is assume it. Was our vision i would also have a phone so i was its a mom or on our way to hope so she you folks always i would offer very true but he talked. To me is helping to understand better what happened in the impact sites so what i am asking to me is if he can create a city the structure of this location so then we can go in detail and see what happened in its building. Jesus software but i was d. M. V. Do you also einstein and bill dont dissuade us. These are common done. In the book to end the only kid is issued the fake. Will to its who would be more does id through the. Going up to from them to me and holly about the location of the bombing or. The big challenge for a journalist is just if you think about workability as doing that the mount of time that it takes to go through this so we have people on their free time in the evenings you know theyre spending hours and hours going through this sea of the pressure with many traditional journalist elephants as that theyre getting so tight on resources and time these days that its hard for them to actually spend enough time to sort of goal for all of us an adult lives in the way that some of the volunteer groups can. In the case of syria itself there is more hours of the conflict online now than the hours of the conflict itself its the most documented conflict in history and i dont see big News Agencies doing any work like this. The delineations dating unfounded allegations against my country are depending on. Bloggers and videos and among one of them is a very famous british citizen called ilya tegans who was online imports about the situation in syria are intensively yet mistakenly adopted by many Media Outlets as well as governments according to wikipedia and i quote elliot haggans in 2012 when he began blogging this year in situation was an unemployed finance admin worker who spends his days taking care of his child at home. Hagans analysis of syrian weapons began as a hobby out of his home in his spare time haggans has no background or training in weapons and is entirely selftaught and he said before the arab spring i knew no more about weapons than the average x. Box owner i had no Knowledge Beyond what i had learned from and which was a nigger and ramble never been to syria doesnt speak a word as arab there and he conducts its press and reset from the concept of his. And his. When i 1st saw the idea for the website of the star to thousands are searching for a clever name i basic failed just like i was still open source investigation a lot of crap names and theyre all taking anyway so in a way frank got. They were picked one so i was stuck and i confess my friend hes a playwright you know so ill ask him and quite quickly he said what about bending the cat. A mouse town was recently visited by a cat since then all of the mice havent got any peace so the monks decided to be rid of this guy. That you. Have been. Picking up. How about do you bell the cat as you seem to be the one with the great idea to me oh no. We were in the greatest ideas are nothing when they cant be done. So this is a photograph of the book i shot i make 17 this is take about 4 hours before the shoot down. And we look at this we can see a few things that are pretty obvious like we have the book right here which is in the back of a white valvo with a red letter trail around it and also we have here that jeep. If we look at other videos of this convoy we can find the same vehicles in each one so for example right here this is the white valvo carrying the book. And here you see. The same sheep that we saw in that photograph along with a video taken 2 days prior accompanying a number of russian and separatist tanks 3 Eastern Ukraine today this video was taken on the day of the make 17 shoot down 5 hours before the shoot down and you can see the one of most important details. Is on this book we can see 1234 missiles on the book to shut down and make 175 hours for the shoot down. If you look at a video filmed the next morning around 5 or 6 in the morning. This missile was missing theres only 3 missiles. And we know what happened to that missile. And there are many ways to know exactly when and where this video was taken. One reason and one way we know is that the end of this video we see. Fuel prices and if we look at historical bad of what the fuel prices were on the day they make 17 shootdown i compare they were the exact same prices that we see right here so i know exactly when the video was taken. And also theres even a satellite image showing the same vehicle in mackay have been the satellite images on google earth and one can find it it was taken out of 11 o 8 am on the day of the shoot so if google earth if we just go to mckay africa. So this is the gas station. Right here. Where the book passed by if you go further on we can go in view like a time machine we can go back to the day of the image 17 shoot out on google earth and look at the satellite image that was taken on that day. By 17. 24 came. Here and we can see all the this is the same these are the vehicles. Here and if you zoom in here very closely its hard to see because the resolution is very good but this video was taken. Just about 45 seconds before this said the images taken its a cosmic luck coincidence that its happened but you see right here this you see the white cabin of the volga truck carrying the book this is the book right here and the one ways we know is the shadow being cast by the book is quite large and it matches exactly which one of what a book should look like if we go through we can match every single element in here even. Back at the gas station the arrangement of the cars at the gas station. You see here this white car the door open to the back here you can see it here as well. So this is the exact same scene that was filmed in this video just 45 seconds later. Corruption it is that invisible behind a wall of silence. Against. Corruption is not something people be told that it. Is a. Country he said. Lets destroy this wall. 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About the sun in doha the top stories on august gunshots being heard in kurdistan as capital bishkek after the president declared a state of emergency and ordered the deployment d of troops theres been growing on rest following the disputed election supporters of the new Prime Minister said is that put off gathered near the house of government on friday protesters forced the resignation of the government on tuesday and the results of the election have since been an Old Stratford is following developments in bishkek. There were bottles projectiles thrown. Scuffles the statue behind me that you can see there were indeed gunshots. And as i say a lot of people here are very nervous and have left the square now the supporters of the Prime Minister most of them have gone back to where they are protesting around the Prime Ministers office but there is a great sense of factionalism here in tension this evening and as you say the president has called this state of emergency concern what he says about possible confrontations between rival groups the United Nations World Food Program has won the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize for its efforts to combat hunger and Food Insecurity around the globe the u. N. Agency says his work in providing food and supplies during the coronavirus pandemic had gone over and above the call of duty the World Food Programs chief says the award is an incredible recognition of the u. N. Agencies work in more than 80 countries around the world russia says Foreign Ministers from armenia and azerbaijan will attend talks in moscow that are due to begin in the next half hour its the latest effort to end fighting over the disputed region of no know how to back the french aid worker whod been kidnapped in mali and held hostage for several years has returned to her country and so he puts on and was welcomed by president s emmanuel. U. S. President donald trump is trying to arrange a Campaign Rally for saturday night in florida comes doctor says hes now completed his course of treatment for corona virus and that by saturday it will be safe for him to resume public engagements meanwhile nancy pelosi the speaker of the u. S. House of representatives is looking to introduce legislation that questions whether donald trump is fit to serve in office those are the headlines the news continues here on aljazeera after telling cat truth in a post truth world goodbye. Sometimes we use the phrase accidental journalists for somebody who happens to be there when the plane goes down and takes the photograph. But this is different because its not accidental its intentional and they are increasingly important category of the public and people in professions that touch on this work should just get used to their existence. Still now except hed ever molest. I guess ive seen you fall for one couple of our. Best. Thinking. Im home alone cloister. Belling cats. Could be barely get the going to go over old set of about you all the doctors from a home of a. Collection of. Over the next in any ways in. My old man in case you have come over at all and other special. Special. Did a photo between us and 60 l. Of over fear in the middle east to treat the comfy and calm them. You know. So before cancelling the facebook and you see me mensa. News i mean how does an outboard. Come from one. Those he made up before with reuters. Did it. 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Anybody who is trying to find out what actually happened and bring it to the attention of the world is doing an important job whether its their profession or their passion. And we should appreciate them for what theyre doing we should also. Ask questions about what theyre doing so we know whether to trust it and thats why transparency is the method of trust for this kind of of work. At the same time that theyre doing theyre. Bad actors are doing their job to try and undermine trust in any kind of journalism in any kind of verification there are people in the world who want all forms of verification to just go away so theyll have to deal with them they want to be able to say anything and i havent believed this sleazy guy i read over here from a. B. C. Is a sleaze my book the fake media tried to stop us from going to the white house when im president and theyre not right now theyre winning. So we need people fighting against. 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Of times it is also pushed them into my niggas wouldnt hide it. Away this would all kinds of i mean could this mckelway those who cause of to stop by benoit i mean we mapped out and found all the different sightings of this convoy a clear that a left from cursed to the border and a curse theres only one antiaircraft brigade which is the 53rd higher gram brigade which made the muslim answer for which brigade this book belong to so then we went through. Social media profiles for people who serve in this military unit and cursed finding profiles of soldiers its super easy you just go to social media sites like im back at which is the russian facebook and theres ice filter you can say only people who list their military service as this military unit and. Type in the military unit number for their brigade and say they Start Service and 2013 or 2014 and then you have a list of maybe 203050 soldiers and there you go and of those profiles that you go through a lot of them posted photographs and videos of being in the convoy that went from cursed to the Ukrainian Border and some of them you can actually see the book they shot down every 17 in the background they even posted by you know they stand up next to a road sign said that the name of the city that they are at right so you can track them pretty easily because you know theyre 192021 year old kids who are kind of off on a trip to the border. And theyve got all of the shit bodybuilder fold safety net hard to u. T. To a darshan c. S. T. 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Im really interested in how you apply open source investigation to justice and accountability thats a big complex topic were looking at pretty woman the biggest and most significant changes around just in accounts be that may have ever occurred because youre talking about a massive amount of evidence is Available Online and also questions about how they use it so in the summer of 2017 the International Criminal Court Published their 1st arrest warrant that was based on figures uploaded to facebook showing executions. Are based on the call to also. Have a better quality of sound i think the models ok you know what i mean i guess. Its not for fighting for the special the thought i succeeded but thats ok its ok its nice to have a couple days in that home to stop because of. What. People saw a lot what. So one of the reasons why their folly case is so important historically in getting legal accountability for these crimes is that it was one of the 1st ever arrest warrants issued by the International Criminal court to be based almost solely on information that was gleaned from social media they of course had other resources that they were relying upon but when you actually read the arrest warrant you see that much of its based on information from facebook and twitter so this is sort of a monumental point in time where were realizing that we really need to be grabbing information from those platforms and preserving it because that. Commission is providing the basis for legal cases in a way that it just quite frankly never has before. Felt. It is not. Enough for status and safety to come up with anybody. From the Libyan National army. In custody. Of what. The fish. And. Film. Actually feed. In rival foster because. The dogs. I think theres a good chance were falling could be brought to justice i think the video information that we have against him is so damning and it so clearly ties him to the potential crimes that were alleged to have been committed that you know its really hard to turn away from that video and say oh no he doesnt have any ties to whats taken place so the fact that these videos are being grabbed that theyre being preserved that there are different videos potentially being collected by the International Criminal court from what elliott and belling cat have been grabbing it just creates a much richer environment for actually providing the evidence that will be needed long term now the challenge will be getting him into custody and actually getting him extradited so that you can have a trial but thats really a political question and not a technical one. Sort of mark over to me home. For the lady 5. 1000 feet of slack sign. Office in their families almost and to move back into. The southeast. They have a new york a long way from hoarding look at all of you but i can. And ourselves eliot. When you know people online and something happens to them in the real world theyre suddenly not online you realize how much of how you reach out to them is frou you know directly contact them online you know sending them a direct message on twitter or contacting one slacken you know where were phoning up those know for answering his phone so we suddenly. Felt very disconnected from him. You know considering the pressure we get from the russian government raised is very worrying when someone just disappears. One of the possibilities that kind of is added to our list of things that could happen to him is maybe he asked me to stay actually is funny to such to do something and that its kind of worrying stuff to people happen to you k. In 2018 for this record poisoning. It is now clear that mr script tom and his daughter were poisoned with a military grade nerve agent of the type developed by russia this is part of a group of nerve agents no theres no. Thats obviously very concerning when even in the u. K. Things like that ah happening. When you are investigating what powerful people do whether their states are companies or billionaires you are vulnerable in many different ways and you can be investigated yourself you can be surveilled. You can have propaganda campaigns launched against you you can get harassed online. All of that and i think the more important your work is and the closer it is to power. Closer it gets to figuring out what powers doing the more risk there is i just received. A message from. The daughter of to me. Fortunately to me cannot talk on the phone and the moment hes currently in the hospital should i bring him message from you i answered. Thanks you know for the message we are very worried and if i can come to the hospital. And she died she wrote back that. And the moments a visit would not be good he is still recovering from a severe brain inflammation he was in a coma for a few days but he is Getting Better at with take a while but he will be when soon im sorry i have arrived to you so bad news hes doing well i mean hes like and hes doing well. Its still very sad news you know thanks. To my growing up. I well thank you for helping me out then. Yes well its a big surprise i think. 2017 innovation was goes to just see on c. N. N. Thank bank has kind of developed a lot of the talent is doing this work and more more because its recognition of the value of building housework theres more and more people basically being contacted to part benefit teams saying you want to come and work for this organization all that and they are the best open source investigators that i know of so i really want to hire them by come through coercion that if they want to go off and get an actual job to pay them away to other volunteers. Its fine i just momentarily looking into stuff to challenge big actors in this world and i think this is this is a really great thing to see develop and you know hope that this will stimulate israel thank you so much thank you. The 2 men wanted in the u. K. Poisonings insisted they were civilians on holiday visiting salzburg but to day the real identity of one of the men was revealed by the Investigations Team at belling cat is not as he claimed was then bosher off a Fitness Instructor colonel. Highly decorated Russian Military Intelligence Officer this cripple case that came recently was actually not something we were really focused on until the u. K. Released images. The suspects move pseudonyms we were in a position to get details of the id documents from russia for those 2 people and we discovered some interesting things for example their id numbers were nearly sequential theres only a couple spaces between them and we discovered another g. R. U. Officer whod been arrested in montenegro also had a very similar number there was only about 25 pages difference so we discover this little batch of id numbers that seem to be linked to g. R. U. Agents and once we actually publish that we have a big reaction from the media lots of coverage in russia the reaction from the russian government i this people you. Hear that its us. What were you doing there. Theres the famous cells america famous not only in europe but in the whole world its famous for its 123 meter spire they claim they got there in the snow it was so deep they had to turn back it was you know its not a lone wolf souls we feed youre going to see from the train station and when the Police Release their photographs you have them walking through like Gatwick Airport the claim that they were confused same day at the same time it could be real but again thats turned out to be nonsense people without images of those gates at Gatwick Airport on google street view and they could prove that they were just walking side by side not in the same place at the same time as people trying to claim the work but yeah the reaction has been absolutely massive and yet again reveal the identity of the u. Officer the 1st thing to say is presuming they messed up very badly here is somebody that is so senior in russian intelligence that was a very bad day for him wasnt it today has been probably the worst day of his life but tell me about his record because youve been through all these records you know what he did you know is senior a is weve identified him as the greatest to the highest degree in russia hes got the award the hero of the Russian Federation so this is somebody who did something outstanding in the eyes of that somebody was sent on a mission to poison the next colleague. But he started to do less used we didnt use we subsidized. In the should you look when you go it was chicken to repeat there you had slaves. Goodlooking wasnt. It was this huge issue but its certainly. The butt dornoch. Call margulies. Missed out. On. Long somebody off to boston goes. Wrong on. Mood wished you understood some of my not from you or im not hostile. This is me done long. Gone. 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We used to live in an environment where we had gatekeepers so a certain time of night every would sit down and watch television at the same time we had a number of newspapers or radio outlets and there were professional journalists giving you information that had been fact checked and sourced professionally so when into that landscape you have people flooding it with misinformation and lies and falsehoods then what it leads to is people just saying im just going to step away from the process so youre going to have people not voting youre going to have people turning away from the Mainstream Media and going to have people basically connecting with one another with other people who feel the same way as them so were not quite there yet but its not going to take very long for us to be in that situation im learning how to shop for the. Jeffrey not because my wife told me to get rid of them. There is no solution there is no fix theres just endless struggle ahead. And if you believe in democracy if you think its important that political democracy serve on. That we have consent of the governed that we have open societies that we have Civil Liberties for all if you think those things are important were entering into a period where they get they have to be fought for. Ok so. To me its great to see hes better hes recovering so toasted to me. I have a phone call serious theres. The. Best candidate website belling cat has identified the 2nd suspect responsible for poisoning former russian spy sergey scream palm has named him as alexander you get your breaks mission a medical doctor with russias military Intelligence Agency the g. R. U. Helicopter that was recruited by the g. R. U. To satirise during the stuff. How i will say the temperatures just easing off a touch across central parts of south america over the next couple days and whats the weather just around that is the side of brazil pushing over towards paraguayan some really heavy downpours coming through here was to go on through friday gresham moving out into the open waters as we go on into sas dice attempt just picking up to 3 degrees an ascension getting up to around 32 celsius by then so much weather the u. S. And showers into really 25. 00 celsius russia showers across the amazon basin as they should be wet weather up towards venezuela towards colombia and also into pan about but not looking too bad across the caribbean now that hurricane delta making its way out of the way that will continue to drive further northwards towards a deep south of the u. S. So not cheap out here as i said mostly a few showers around the Cayman Islands and whats the weather possibility into jamaica for a time it was some showers there on and off into cuba as we go through friday there will be some west weather has to be said for nicaragua costa rica guatemala and honduras ship a little dry here as we go on into sas day and by saturday heaviest showers coming back into the wind which will see some rain getting into barbados youre in the afternoon lossie dry for the leaflets. The river nile is a vital source of sustenance to the countrys it flows through this new thing called on who can lay claim to be a different god given the resources we found both great but with this comes a destabilizing rivalry the country suspicious of each others intentions in the battle for control of the republicans transporting food and consultation was not happening to the hunters because of some unknown fear struggle over them on aljazeera. d the. This is aljazeera. Hello im rob matheson this is the news hour live from doha coming up in the next 60 minutes. Gunshots heard in the cargoes capital a state of emergency is declared as protests continue following a disputed general election. I mean this is the 1st time a lot