Shoot every single justice. Georgie to the. Modern jersey. Hello im Darren Jordan this is counting the cost on aljazeera you look at the world of business and economics this week brazil has the worlds 2nd highest number of coronavirus deaths the economy is in meltdown and graft cases are piling up against the president s family but also there are as popularity is on the rise also this week some livestock under threat mexican farmers feel what little water they have is going to be given to the United States. And the battle for the skies a british startup joins a crowded field to develop electric flying cars which could take in the middle of this decade. Now from all the headlines you may think that brazils president jay both scenario is having a terrible pandemic his dismissive belligerence saw the virus run riot with more than 4 and a half 1000000 cases and over 135000 deaths brazils been hit hard by the virus but support among the poor has seen both an hours popularity at its highest level since he took power in 28 so whats behind his popularity emergency handouts for law salaries due to the pandemic remarkable for a conservative whos of ministration has wanted to smash spending and introduce austerity to cut debt that is heading towards 95 percent of g. D. P. Well the budget deficit thats money the government needs to find to finance spending is expected to soar to 180000000000. 00 thats according to economist city thats 13. 7 percent of gross domestic product. And the pandemic has sent unemployment soaring to a 2 year high of 12. 9 percent and the number of people out of work has risen to 8900000 in the 3 months to may unemployments expected to tick higher to more than 13 percent. Well the economy contracted by 9. 7 percent in the 2nd quarter the most in the last 40 years that was better than many had predicted and Analysts Expect g. D. P. To shrink by about 5 percent for the whole year which is better than every other latin American Country except europe why well despite all that both in our eyes popularity has risen to mitigate the impact of the coronavirus the poorest in the country have been receiving monthly stimulus payments of about 110. 00 but both are narrow continues to be dogged by accusations of graft against his family and in a circle his wife michelle cant explain why a former aide put thousands of dollars into her bank account and the president to sideline his market friendly economy minister so what does that all mean for the country and the economy during these very trying times when a canuto senior fellow at the policy center for the new south joins me via skype from washington d. C. A tavia know so whats behind the rise in both scenarios popularity is it simply that hes managed to look after the poor through these stimulus payments perhaps. The fact is that the in contrast years that resident most a lot o. Dont include it in its fact edge to respond to to the growth of crisis really struck a chord in the sense that it 1st of all it to us so special in the sense that it was given higher than what many of the recipients would abnormally as an income and saturday it is works to a large extent a vibe it deeper recession resilient case the 1st pass by april places where very dire if you have a map was casting a downfall of close to 9 percent something in the range of 8 to 9 percent of the cotton judy and the transfers and to the population and up up a safety for their wage bill that clients and now im forgetting are pointing to a decline this session toward minus 5 percent and that together with the narrative that president bush will hydro side to adopt that is say to deny that he had major responsibilities. Zs the public cannot impose a bet they are not being young and hes not the only both an r. Is not the only president in latin america that seen his popularity rise despite the rising death toll im thinking here of mexicos president under his money as upper build thats exactly so and spite the fact that one is concede your right i mean yes president was a liar and the other one more like a left wing populace the president of mexico both those kind of minister who. Should distance sellers of any meet your responsibility with respect to the disease. Oh thats a lady responsibility only valid nurse and some national have always said that ones responsible for salish a drastic move but its a restriction that. Measures. And that a guard he kind of a menace to lets say spite of the clear eyed to vision of responsibilities that some i might give to the president and meet as a president he was there responsible for stuff and change the new poster the fact is that the drug stant the treasure in crime has kind of outweighed the negative aspects of my take on a lets quickly talk about some of the internal wranglings within both now as government and he sidelined his economy minister paul ogrady as why did you do that very quickly. Because again this is. Had i genda a member argenta that my lets say give but some difficulties for poor posada you know his drive towards higher popularity. To have a sense that. We can resume with this in a sort of a a mid position because so far the fiscal framework has not been abandoned all so still count on the perspective of add some sort of ground 0 fiscal adjustment over the years. But. Only not everything that would get this would like to do it necessary so ok and if and and we know that we know that both america has given up on his plans to introduce a Social Security program hes keeping the plan of former left wing leader lula disembowel why is that very quickly. To the point is that you know the. Trasher of money. Cash france or give him so much popularity that hes now trying to lets say to become the owner of this will say on a more permanent basis not simply because of the quote on the right 11 has to understand that because of the virus because of it 19 has mean a disaster in brazil and everywhere where it is being. And as a disaster as a catastrophe the Public Sector is called to be ok and insured. But. But there is this attempt to to this desire to create some sort of a more baronet Income Transfer Program beyond the price tag and i think many people would agree that something has to be done to contain the countrys runaway debt is there a plan yes i believe that the. Existing. Cap on public spending if it is maintained if its but a big if there are really for us that may fizzle do you see a 10 minute obedience to the spending cat that my provide or time gravity. And i just meant of the primary surplus of the public accounts were paid heres a question has to doubt is whether as head will be possible to implement reforms that will make the spending cap usable i take it on a just a final thought to you of course waiting in the wings is new medicinal via if he can overturn his corruption conviction he could be a familial opponent in 2022 and possibly in local elections next year as well couldnt take well as of today the balls are still pointing to such a polarization. But at the same time its not a fad accompli you know the fact is that we are not brazil is not content to have to polarize candid as s. At the forefront theres always a possibility people get tired of such a extremes position as head and edits i take on a canoe to be happening there thank you very much indeed for talking to count in the cost thank you nice to talk to you. Now drought hit farmers in the mexican state of chihuahua are continuing to occupy a dam saying they want to prevent a water payment to the United States well under 1944 treaty mexico and the u. S. Are obligated to share water found along the border between the 2 nations but pharma say they need the resource for their crops money as. This dry desert landscape is in the state of chihuahua in northern mexico just south of the u. S. Border it hasnt rained much lately and many here are concerned that crops and livestock are under threat is that farmers like chloe garcia tell us what little water remains in the region is about to be given to the United States under a water sharing treaty signed between the 2 countries during world war 2 its on the order of the working of of the us these are Water Reserve that we have collected we have to restrain from harvesting more than one crop or a year in order to subsist and not run out of water now the government shows up and say they have to pay the United States it isnt true. The issue of water is a boiling hot topic in this part of the country and protests against the decades old water treaty have been growing more and more violent in recent weeks and that it has been mostly lionels its a reaction from citizens who are defending their own way water is everyones heritage water doesnt belong to anyone water is for everyone and for all mexicans that is why were outraged and this reaction from citizens is a result of this anger when the u. S. And mexico signed the water treaty of 944. 00 the United States agreed to send more water to mexico than it receives but it still requires mexico to release water from dams along some of the driest parts of the border. At level dam the largest in the state of chihuahua Mexican National guard troops are keeping watch farmers recently seized control of the dam and have attacked members of mexicos National Water commission who plan to extract water from the reservoir mexico has until october 26th of this year to pay off its water debt with the United States which amounts to some 100000000000 gallons of fresh water and the word of mexicos president has addressed the recent violence but claims Water Reserves and she are enough to pay both the water debt to the u. S. And supply the needs of farmers in the region the president has also suggested the conflict is politically motivated it dont matter dont. They took over the kid dam which was being used to follow through with a commitment to deliver water to the United States under the treaty of 1904 but since they are electoral interest this has become a political issues. As the drought in northern mexico worsens a growing number of supporters are joining in the protest against the treaty their hopes are fading 1st solution that will guarantee farmers access to the water they say is essential to their survival. Below al jazeera mexico city. Now water is indispensable to Economic Activity but industrial use is worsening access to fresh water about 2500000000 people around the world still dont have access to clean water and that in turn is leading to a loss in Economic Activity water is hugely important not just to the agriculture industry but to the fashion auto and Mining Industry as well when my next guest says the fashion industry is blind to the impact of Water Pollution kate lam is the global director of water security at not for profit environment consultancy c. D. P. And she joins me from london via skype kate great to have you with us here on counting the cost so listen i mean our desire for cheap fast fashion does indeed have consequences tell us how and why the textile and Fashion Industries are major water polluters. In the fast fashion and our desire full of constant need for new clothes doesnt comit out its costs the growth in fast fashion has created and has risen 2 fold in the last 20 is despite the fact that just global population has risen just 28 percent and when one considers that the weather is the production of the cotton all this hype is that east within and within fashion within fabrics themselves account for more than 10 percent of all industrial freshwater withdrawals on the planet at around 79. 00 t. H. Best 29000000000 cubic meters of fresh water that withdrawn every single year said to that of course and the large number of toxic chemicals that are used right across the fashion and the apparel sector supply chains a lot of those chemicals are in the themselves cost and jenny and when 1. 00 considers that around 85 percent of all industrial waste water and leave sites untreated that means the larger portion of those chemicals also leaking into the environment posing a threat substantial threat not only to Environmental Health but human health all sam and i can understand why big brands would want to show their support for Environmental Issues but what responsibility do we have as consumers especially when it comes to our demand for cheap fashion. We have a really large role to play the brands themselves listen to us and ultimately result respond to the demand that we place on them we are there the sort of the solution held is if you like and so amending our desire for constant changing and includes it will really deliver a Significant Impact often individuals will consider whether the role that they play will be significant and i can absolutely say with confidence that on this issue it will and so the things that we can do all be used clothes a little bit more perhaps engage in swapping clothes with our friends and consider mending and repairing the clothes that we already do have and think about the the fabrics that our clothes and our of them materials are made of leather for example the leather in all kinds of bags our shoes ultimately comes from cows have always had a Significant Impact on the environment whether thats freshwater withdrawal of pollution g. H. T. Emissions land convey jand de forest station if we can consider how we use that material how we treasure measure and look after those materials ensure that we can use them for a longer period of time then we have a significant role i cant just talk about the comic has for a 2nd because the Auto Industry we know is pushing to deliver more electric cars as some countries will and the sale of combustion engines by i think its 2035 so were going to need a lot more lithium now the problem with mining is that water is really critical to all aspects of production so and we know there are serious strains on Water Resources already on thats right yes it is a very significant sector full water security in general and the sector is intimately connected with the water cycle itself indeed of the companies that were responding to c. D. P. In 21995 percent of them reported exposure d to substantially real water related risks that would generate major changes in their business and indeed the push for. Electric vehicles is welcome from a Climate Change chichi emission d perspective it really is a good news story however it is coming at a cost and as you rightly point out production itself is incredibly water intensive and poses substantial of challenges for the communities that often live and its surrounded by the mines. Great to get your thoughts thank you for talking to counting the cost thank you thank you gary and now the race is on to launch the 1st electric 5 c. To air taxi service there are at least 20 Companies Working on similar plans including air bus and boeing where you may remember one german startup lilium that we featured on this program it launched the worlds 1st electric 5 seater flying car and it has the backing of chinas 10 cent among others its Development Program is more advanced than an googles larry page the vehicle is built to take off and land vertically in an urban area and should be in service by 2025 and now theres a new entrant bristol england based vertical aerospace plans to have a winged electric taxi service a year earlier than william and its backed by Steven Fitzpatrick who also founded the energy firm over well chief executive officer of vertical Aerospace Group my coach of ankara joins us now via skype from bristol and michael used to work on a flying taxi concept for rolls royce the maker of airplane engines michael great to have you with us so look an awful lot of money is being poured into moving just a handful of people through the air why is that. So thanks very much for having me well actually i think theres a few factors today more and more people are living in cities were all struggling with ground based congestion helicopters currently the only real way of taking off and landing but a cli from a small landing pad but theyre very Old Technology helicopters actually derived from 1960 s. Technology theyre very expensive theyre very noisy theyre not very safe and so theyre not really viable as a as a broader so transportation solution what were seeing with electric ation and it dances in technologies is the potential for a new types of vehicles that can really disrupt this market so whilst they may need carry 4 or 5 people actually we can develop a vehicle as 30 times to now the cup to achieve the same level of safety is a commercial airliner and does that in a in a cost that actually starts to become affordable and michael is there enough room in the market for 20 odd ventures and do you see many of these players just falling away and actually if you look around there are many more than 20 trying to develop vehicles you know this is a bit like the space race of aviation going on and actually when youve got the background and knowledge you look at many of the concepts being devised and pretty pictures and theyre not really realistic budget gallery space is in fact one of only 7 Companies Globally to playing to full scale prototypes and i think theres a massive difference between being able to come up with a pretty picture of us is knowing how to take that through a full set of occasion standage and deliver a commercially viable product so my personal view is that there is certainly space in this market for several play as but well see a big fall out and its probably going to be way less than 10 that actually is successful yeah and much of this of course michael is driven by money so do you have enough funding to see you through to 2024 when you expect your service to actually fly. Were actually doing a Capital Raise at the moment weve been incredibly lucky in that we were founded by successful entrepreneur Stephen Fitzpatrick and so hes fully funded the company so far thats enabled us to grow to well class team of over 100 people and as i say develop those 2 full scale prototypes weve now rady reach the point where we need to accelerate what were doing and it goes to develop a commercially viable d way cool were really pushing the bounds of technology and weve got a huge amount of testing to go through so that right now we are in the middle of a cap to raise looking for about 30000000. 00 to fund our next prototype and the in the intent once we play in that is to extend that from race from set you up to about 15260000000 to take us all the way through certification so so just talk us through briefly michael whats the biggest challenge to developing a flying car is it batteries for instance and whats coming down the line that could improve the range and weight of batteries. And so actually one of the challenges is just taking these big cars for a set of Vacation Program and hitting those you know demanding safety targets is essential to am having you know lots of potential for lots of these big cars flying over our heads in cities and batteries are definitely a major driver site and pass the reason why these because a starting to happen is automotive is really been pushing the bounds of technology is on batteries on how to pound trains so mages it better is a septra but the reality today is batteries are just about on the limits of developing a vehicle that can fly high tens maybe a 100 miles can carry 5 people can meet Safety Standards and do that at a at a price point that styles them viable so its a really in terms of batteries were seeing you know a steady improvement today typically 34 percent weight improvements every year and theyre awesome Disruptive Technologies being looked at but i think were not going to see a step change until at least the back end of this decade before they start to come 3 and i guess many people will be asking the question when would all of this technology be available to power knowledge or regional jets along the whole services so say that the simple reality is a Pure Electric power outage regional all along will jetties not viable with any of the technologies we see on the horizon and but i think there is still a real opportunity for electrification to play a role in helping improve the sustainability of law drakkar often and in fact very much the purpose of our company was to help aerospace on the journey not just a focus on a smaller aircraft so we will see hybrid Type Solutions which still require burning of fuel and maybe hydrogen or Sustainable Fuels in conjunction with some level of battery and hydroelectric power to improve the efficiency of the vehicles regional actor out probably the back end of the 2020 s long haul d is a county going to be well in 2030 s. An important point to make about hydrogen then michael because i was going to ask you as a final thought what about us because we know the plane maker has been under pressure from france and germany airbus hopes to have a Hydrogen Powered jet in the sky sometime in the next decade so actually from the engine point of view many of the engines that are flying around today kate dilute Burning Hydrogen the challenge is more firstly the acrobat itself so hydrogen is very light but it takes up 4 times as much places kerosene so you need to really have much bigger tanks in a different type of aircraft hence the kind of concept versus announced recently and theres a big cost driver and of course this is said to be cation and then the wider infrastructure so how do you produce hydrogen economically at scale and environmental magnitude a lot of Hydrogen Production is actually derived from also feels and so really those kind of economic and industrial challenges a part of the journey that you know were going to need to go on to detail denies aviation my coach i think a great to get your thoughts thank you very much for talking to counting the cost thank you thank you and that is our show for this week but remember you can get in touch with us via twitter or use the hash tag a j c t c when you do all you can drop us an email counting the cost of aljazeera dot net is our address but theres more for you online at aljazeera dot com slash c. 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