Frozen out diplomatically and financially mollies coup leaders say they cant count a road map back to democracy well the plan lead to the end of regional sanctions will a skeptical opposition return to the streets this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the show im sam is a than nearly a month after malis military coup agreements seem to have been reached on a transition the plan sees a return to civilian rule within 18 months the ruling announced the political charter on saturday after talks with the political and Civil Society groups but has been rejected by the coalition that led protests against the post president to bring him back a cater for west african bloc echo us is due to discuss mali during a summit on tuesday well this is what the military announced an interim president and Vice President who will be chosen by a group appointed by the jointer a Transitional Council will serve as the National Assembly or parliament for 18 months until elections can be held but here is the big Sticking Point the Transitional Government could be led by someone from the military the opposition and that costs insist it must be a civilian. Lets bring our guests into the show we have joining us from by macau hammad salam publisher of the mag dot com 100 writes extensively on security and conflict in the saha region in the on they cameroon boa c. E. O. Of Africa International media group and an Africa Affairs analyst and in scotland manno elections a lecturer at the university of aberdeen and author of inherent and contemporary challenges to African Security a warm welcome to you all let me start with milo and say well this transition plan from to an end to a resurgence of protests for now if you will have to wait and see to be honest. I never mentioned earlier in some discussions are paired with syria or are those who be on a monday an army or did want to people wanted by removing. Half the protest initially and also raise concerns regarding the army and the air yes because there arent a lot of corruption within the army and atrocities coursed army before the coup. And this current or war years seeing is that the decision to have an 18 month transmission is not totally accepted by the movement that started the protest in the 1st place so i wouldnt say that its a done deal the transition proposal seems reasonable for gandhi neat time to kind of hand over to a reasonable government we need to wait and see whether disk will be accepted by an order which used to position groups which may actually cause problems Going Forward but well it is illegal and if i can jump in here where already hearing a rejection from one of those powerful opposition groups the m 5 r s. Let me take that point to marie and say can this transitional plan succeed without the support of the m 5 are a fee absolutely not thats a big question is is just not possible you know what happened in manley was. First a huge. Protest against the regime and it was really ok down to white and the military took the opportunity to overthrow the president and that was very popular so what people thought and believed and hoped was that they did that sort of in back in behalf of the people and they will do everything to stay sort of in connection in harmony with people as we are but what we and until. Yesterday when the the consultation ended. People went very hopeful in that they do what consultation they want to do some of the people find out the best way to relieve their transition to have a road map for the transition will be backed by a large majority but what we see is that the floor back to what military rejoinders or all over the globe used to is to confuse kate the power and to try to take advantage of allies and not Work Together for a success the Successful Transition may let me be devils advocate here and jump in for a moment i guess from the perspective of the authorities they would say well they did have a very inclusive consultative process that included even groups that have been left out of a conversation a political conversation for a long time and ultimately the authority Going Forward the Transitional Authority is going to be shaped by a group which is to be appointed not directly by the military itself how do you see the flaws in that. You know. This is a Strong Demand war from ecowas which has now weakened position there and from the super sect that they meet you know for a military jet a little girl to be sort of accept checks. To all of the neighbors what the International Community so that not everything stops the formalities they want the transition to really lead by civil right dont exclude that they want that transition to be led by me ok when we see that they change it change the decisions which had been made together and you know what has been released easily leaving leaving all that many of these positions which way crucial and they are adding things to to reinforce their own well ok let me let me jump in here the rain hammered into the discussion i guess thats what coming to the crux of the issue now Going Forward do you think ultimately the military wants to have the top job in the Transitional Authority i. E. The president dont you think theyre going to let that go to a civilian figure serve before or responding to the question and i think the. Key lock image and that might be an people who are looking for and or sort of the military heartland sought in military or civilian of milan and what we need now. Is. Though there are orders of block military and civilian. Positions the cannot get is it doesnt. Just use are both of them. It scott insisted on the no it was a. It is the end of the live as well as the military who are the busy dentist to resign so from one point of view the military wants to be fired after the shah and the other they are part of the transition but do they want to be in control and in charge of the entire Transitional Authority do you think i think they want to show they want to share with civilian who want to leave to leave and you did but they were busy. During the course of dish on 18 months. For all of the transition so hes done being a military and civilian we cant walk to go to plan who does the shut until in an election and then 100. 00 work that only dont go up to an elected president so i think. He was defeated you need chips on our. Agenda and that was issued on to decide how. Does a shot well be organizing right now what and when i guess the problem let me take im ok go go ahead. It was astounding some of them saying that they did not carry their final shots. Yes that is one of the issues and it comes back to this main point let me bring mallow in and say at the end of the day even you know if as mohammed says the military just wants to share things its got to be someone to leave it who leaves it now what when you so we say check the temperature of the military how much appetite is there do you think when that special day as they head into that crucial meeting on tuesday how much of an appetite is there to be the leaders of this transitional process rather than the military in the in the background in the barracks so i think we need to understand that the the opposition or the Civil Society groups that came out to protest are actually some of them are organized groups some of them are not some of them have experience or government some of them dont or most of them dont and so while the International Community. Works actually. Despise the on constitutional removal. You also 40 are way ahead that the military is some sort of an institution with some order with some wield doing things that you could deal with when there are the people who want to come in and want to play a leading are people we generally dont know much. With regards to governance so its a dirty kid balancing act here its not as easy as who is going to lead or whos not going to need is sate who is going to lead in a way that could actually do some structure that people can deal with. Thats an interesting link thats an interesting sentiment that if i could let me take that point to mary and say how do you think that meeting is going to go on tuesday then between the molly and john turner accost leaders do you think theyre going to come around to the sort of thinking that analysis that were hearing from milo that well this is kind of a delicate situation some of the civilian figures may not even be ready to lead this transitional process maybe the military need to have a more prominent role than accost and the opposition have been calling for you great santa if they feel that they are doing their own thing daniel. This war of images are all of them a Political Force as it will we can be the transition of the gent 1st it was really it might lead vehicle us to apply more serious sanctions on them so 2nd dont you that money is not just a contrary way you have to me to recoup money had 7 borders isnt of better instead you know yeah weve and carol weve jihad weve all is security we know and have. International troops all of it they are with the france french back and with soap transition is not just their time way to say ok lets. Move around and. Maybe restore institutions and we do an election and said Something Like well like we have been used to seeing east what are the what maps how dilute deal with Security Issues absolute deal with the economy the situation which isnt an emergency so if you have light the other colleagues say unexperienced people not an experience because they were accepted because they were sort of the hand all over through we. And change but if they will get into the book at that they did a military coup which is rejected by the International Community and that it originated missy was that the act they have Popular Support and yet they lose thats what ive been everything will get completely debt so they better people then east again jewel of strength didnt get along with all the stakeholders right and so they had it and had team of competent people to lead that kind of transition we need for man all right let me bring in mohammed. Mentioned there that she thinks its likely or possible that cost could be heading towards increased sanctions on mali war what that means lets get your perspective you know from marco increased sanctions on mali what would that mean for peoples lives there. I want to jump the point before a responding to a question is dont want and want to end all not just the getting there but some not people who organize protests. Down our. Society understands well its going to budget and how it was immoral to what will is before is the cause that might indeed change but thats you need to know and is not because of their political but its not my me and mine and what they dont believe to what it is young but thats why im doing then conservation someone asked of my aunt cancel one for a transition lead but immediately goes if im going to assume not of those people who are early the broadest of the dissolute there will just one humbler of the it is you that energy and not then. It didnt resign so will the other leeches biden and seemingly so going to have to hang on my comments are you saying that when the main Opposition Coalition the m 5 are a few and they say that the majority of them molly and people do not want a Transitional Authority led by a military figure are you saying theyre wrong. I say that conservation money and mind and some people think that they once it doesnt need a military might you not want him to win money and dont know how to do bullshit disemployed of what clearly what it is lesion of the president youre privy to her aides are well but of these regimes ok thats thats an interesting thats interesting perspective let me take that perspective to marie and ask that question do you agree with that analysis from mohammed there that during the consultative process it was clear a lot of people wanted the military to lead the Transitional Authority rather than the politicians because they dont have faith in the politicians you know there is a saying that. When somebody kills the lion you cannot use. Their eggs you know so the military the military other one will change because they are. President and let you do is act but i dont think its reasonable to have the army general against nobody i think its not reasonable to say we want to try this and weed out the later but its fair to say that if you have yet another corner metal generally living there. The it will last for many reasons is adamant do to stop that because you have in some region of the west members who are who are running for the dollar like maybe truth is there making it real there we really love me again then very much and it ok they should do what they do best i mean it be in the Security Side you know securing the all process being there of course i claim no security stay out of politics let me ask milo what is the possibility we might see you if we could call it the egyptian coup model where the military leader resigns from the military and takes over at a wearing a civilian suit rather than through fatigues. Yeah so just just in for size or what i was saying earlier is. If i get your question is that there is there have to know that word removed or let to do cool is a Popular Movement on Popular Movements and dont necessarily iran countries and the military is dealing with a situation maintaining popularity benedicite him time me to new continuity so as other speakers are said theyre each shoes in mandeep that will not go away dont need a government to do it so to continue. And popularity is the key issue. Those who have to understand that yes they have achieved if theyre running a country needs some sort of institutions with regards to what youve said in terms of egypt shouldnt stop i think so i think the military is actually indicate that theyre not willing to just go looks to me as if they may actually transform into something more deep political than were seeing right now do you think. Community will accept that echo us will accept that. Well ecowas is voted weeks you know we keep hearing the opinion of ecowas bed scenes you can see all the requests that it coas have been making have been are not been an idea to by the military do you do they are doing what do you think can articulate in consideration what it was is saying theyre not actually changing their abuse of you because of the us now to understand that even a sanctions that is putting our dam are limited based on the borders the biggest borders we. Are with our jeanne or our journey on more again so would be good can get out of some of this issues interest do you understand a reality has what are on the ground doing nor did your friends joel soldiers did the g 5 soldiers is un someone has to coordinate and deal with this so im not come in and do this the military has to do it right under popular and it cannot do it so dan in no way in a strong position and theyre playing it very well so far lets bring in mohammed if we can and say you know we can talk all day about the political instability in the political challenge to the success of the Transitional Authority but the reality is even if all of those details are worked out the Transitional Authority faces a number of different challenges from environmental developmental the security situation in the saddle i mean what is the likelihood that this Transitional Council will complete its 18 months given Everything Else thats going on. Ok i dont have to answer the question you got me what i answer it was a go ahead in the sanctions i think he had it in marleen but it would be it does equalize he would seem mighty endeavor such because of the brand work. And part of my life now need to pollute and dissension because my then economy is well i mean the it has been weakened by the fight against terror is on the china of 6. And other things all my need to look. d at deception and. Did it immediately that we then choose the indigent and learn that a judge or person they need an ascension so coming back to the challenges of the transition in order that theyre done with the main object at the hands shot is to organize just current election and. To an elected but in atlanta trying is like corruption. Sick you might enjoy it jewelry the n ds is walk to soar or the done to shun done the right to any mistake was minor. For. The hunger of the bar and change after this does im sure they are waiting for a quick change talking about change though mary if we look at the situation now what impact is all of the political and perhaps Even Economic instability having on the conflict in the sad region man who mentioned a moment ago that you know ultimately the International Community wants to have someone to talk to about the south whole region is that person they talk to in the saddle region still able to take charge of the situation there. You know. If its agreed that that transition at the end of the day there to lead to elections but you cannot each election if in the meantime everything is breaking down you know that you have a dr breggin out of institution a doctor right down to security and somebody for suspects the jet is booked and all of this. Is security a new virus and spend most to take advantage of the situation and or a sort of a bagel or whatever they want so it is a very important moment you cannot just say we want election what kind of election you know not. To tell them to choose to die on the dollar and 2030 when there was a transition. We saw what happened you know he said we do elections and we had it because being elected and not being had changed and riyadh setting if they do the same thing they will just set the stage well another coup and another transition is really crucial to sit down and make sure everybody wants the same thing and everybodys aware of the objectives of what is at stake here and you know echo us it will wax has been a very important actor but they have to understand that the change is a change is really needed and that even if it takes it to my us what being right so. Thats what we need to have mine that. Not be mine that they are. All right lets not so good thats a good point perhaps to end on they should be there for the people of im afraid we are out of time so lets thank you very much for their participation in the show hummus a la rosa the law and the man. And thank you too for watching you can see the show again any time by visiting our website aljazeera dot com for further discussion head over to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is a. J. Inside story from me sam is a band and the whole team here for now go by. Is the government necessary action to really address some of the structural issues we listen i still think that. Travel and we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter. Mozambiques trouble becoming the worlds biggest exporter. And the rising prospect of a currency war if. There is no channel that world news like we revisit. 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