Could iran face renewed sanctions the us president promises punishment after failing to convince the un to extend the International Arms embargo will this lead to the collapse of the 2015 nuclear deal this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program on iran come on the u. S. President is vowing retaliation for the latest setback to his socalled maximum Pressure Campaign on iran donald trump threatening to reinstate International Sanctions that was scrapped in 2015 when iran signed the deal to limit its Nuclear Development trumps response followed the u. N. Rejecting a u. S. Bid to extend the International Arms embargo on iran offer expires in october only the Dominican Republic supported the resolution the remaining parties to the nuclear deal britain germany fronts china and russia question whether trump can reinstate the sanctions thats because he pulled the u. S. Out of the agreement 2 years ago trump has rejected russian president Vladimir Putins offer of a summit to discuss the dispute. But will you trigger a snapback of sanctions on iran what we knew what the vote was going to be but well be doing a snapback youll be watching it next week youll be watching it next week before president putin wants to hold a video summit on reserves are you planning to do that. Probably no i think we want to wait till after the election look around wants me to lose so badly because if they do you know iran is a whole different ball game right now. Irans president has welcomed what he called a humiliation for the u. S. Battle you have been but this is the 1st time the u. S. Proposed a resolution to the u. N. Security council only a small island nation voted in favor of moving car on because it looked where americas efforts have got them what a miserable situation they have reached it was a political success for the Islamic Republic of iran and a political and legal defeat for the us regime. Lets bring in our panel in iran capital. Professor of middle east arties at the university of tehran from london holiday aggress nonresident fellow with the Atlantic Councils middle east programs and from not played in new jersey steve rogers a usa curacy and defense analyst as well as a member of the donald j. Trump for president Advisory Board a welcome to you all lets begin in teheran. The iranians are saying that this is a success of victory for them why are they saying that because you are still in that role approach was you know it stopped at some point you and you know the United States has been using that you and their main embodiment of multilateralism to further their unilateral unilateral engined against iran. Theyre violating of the deal which is a violation an extension a violation of. International law was not a peace to you and the Security Council by other members including u. S. Allies thats what you want is seeing it as a victory of fear and of the remaining parties to the nuclear deal who didnt have peace trump and his team steve nutley new jersey steve rogers or rather in nutley new jersey. This is a defeat for you guys isnt it. Certainly not as a matter of fact the object there was no doubt at least in my mind to an attempt to bring the United States to their knees and for the president not to go down the road hes presently going down look this to me again i look at whats going on here its pretty much a defeat for everyone who went against the United States and not the United States so the president is going to do what he must do he has actually kept his pledge to the American People that hes looking out for the interests of American National security and thats exactly what hes doing no defeat here well there is not because he cant do what hes trying to do because they pulled out of the the deal the 2015 deal so therefore he can actually you know actually himself say ok step back sanctions because hes not dealing will the u. S. Isnt the deal anymore he can do under this snapback provision hes going to do that and hes going to do what he has to do again to look out for the interest of the American People and of the region tony lets bring you in the head youre in on resident fellow at the Atlantic Councils middle east programs that can significant amount experience when it comes to iran and its and these negotiations really what were looking at now is a official maybe even a clean break between the allies that were talking america were talking germany and were talking france and britain who want this deal but theyre on different sides of the aisle and america doesnt want this deal so is that going to be a problem if the u. S. Tries to push the snapback sanctions through well but then sure what happened on friday was an embarrassment for the United States because they went in. And i think the fact that u. S. Special envoy on iran brian hook went by just the week prior to the. Cow the socalled maximum pressure policy had been a maximum failure at the park so what were seeing here with the idea that back. Mechanisms coming forth in the coming weeks is that if we look at the tax actually what it says it says that you have to be a participant of the j c p way which technically speaking the United States no longer is ever since u. S. President donald trump withdrew in may 28 pm so i think that even if pomp a. O. L. The secretary of state prom peo and the administration was to evoke the stock bike sanctions are going to be the debate at the u. N. Well whether the United States is even a participant of the j. P. Way technically speaking so i think thats going to be part of the debate in the coming weeks house on in teheran if the u. S. Pushes the snapback sanctions and of it on its own it does create a conflict within the u. N. Security council itself certainly is an opportunity for iran to hate to try and maneuver things and its favor or do you think the u. S. Is simply going to do what it wants were when i lose that has been you know as i said unilateral when it comes to iran it has been isolated enough for iran not to take any action but that the other parties to the deal to tackle us as unilateralism the United States i mean Trumps Administration is now you know coming back and trying to say and arguing that its still part of the deal because its a member of that deal within the you know u. N. Security Council Resolution 2231 but it sells and back in may 28th can announce them in the process President Trump himself announced that theyre not just taste is no longer party to that deal this is the main argument and i think russia and china have made it clear that they dont see the United States having the right to return to the deal to violate the deal again and force others to violate the deal and an extension to populate the international. You know law so and europeans are not siding with the United States alone china and russia i think within this you know circumstance in iran want want act you know take it take things to escalate further but i think it will stick to this multilateral setting because whats left of this deal is only this multilateral setting that is facing us as you know that role is empty and iranis views and against the United States and i think it has been successful the house and human will have a choice if the u. S. Puts the sanctions into place as the power and the ability to do so even if the Security Council of the members and Security Council say that it isnt the deal is still actually can put sanctions in place how are you going to deal with that it has of course it has sanctioned whatever it can every relevant economic financial entity in iran related to iran so it doesnt have anything to you know sanction more it can go unilaterally and do snapback you militarily with others china russia european saying that we are not abiding by this snapback this for change that much of the you know current equation in which the United States unilaterally imposing sanctions and others are trying not to abide by those unilateral sanctions holywood do you think do you think that it really doesnt matter what the u. S. Does next day for us and china are going to play ball i think its a really complicated conversation were having in terms of whether china and russia are going to be playing ball or not i think whats really happening here is that the trap administration has realized that they are not getting a better deal than barack obama and that this is not going to happen so were looking at the poll here and it looks bad trump may lose the election lets make sure that a job by them. Didnt you cannot come to the table and negotiate with the iranians this is what its all about at this point and i think that this is what the trumpet ministrations pushing for yes weve heard President Trump say that he is willing to not that hes willing but he will have a deal within 4 weeks after the election i think this is all about domestic a domestic audience here and trying to say that hes made good on promises that he hasnt been able to keep because hes been dealt very bad advice from people in Washington State emerges hes been dealt very bad advice from people in washington what is this all about than is this about november or is this about getting the right deal eventually. I can tell you its not about november because the American People are not particularly concentrating on whats going on with iran its about trying to get a better deal it always has been that way and with regard to this embarrassing the United States well ive got to tell you the American People still stand by President Donald Trump with regard to both domestic and Foreign Affairs or ran as a terrorist state they have contributed nothing to the peace of the world let alone the region and i think based on that at the end of the day the allies will side with the United States look this is a family dispute with our allies weve been down this road before so at the end of day i believe that the iranians are going to have no choice but to do exactly what the president has asked them to do look theyre hurting there we know their economy is in bad shape theyve got problems with in their nation with their own people who want better relations with the United States so well see at the end that if they how this pans out but nothing to do with an election my goodness we have issues here that are very important that the people of this country are more focused on that than whats happening in iran well the polls suggest that actually dont trump is not doing that well also iran actually did according to any reading of the deal sticks to the deal and that what i agreed to hasan the demand is a fair representation do you think iran did stick to the deal all steve rogers has just called you a terrorist state in need of bringing down what. Rogers you know no description of iran situation if you take irans iran out the terrible things inside and even then it cannot mix fear and their eyes a nation if you take irans name out and put the United States there youd see that that its more i think in this time thats why trump is in trouble and i think he is. Certainly trying to use some you know deal here or there to project some achievement which he failed to achieve in the past 3 years through the maximum pressure on iran and other nations as we speak 27 nations are under u. S. Sanctions this is not a you know that the United States has extensively used sanctions against nations for its political and unilateral goals but i think iran is not you know buying any more and i think iran what has been. Standing up to it and i think they trainees russians and other parties u. S. Allies themselves are not buying u. S. Argument when it comes to iraq iran has stick to its end of the deal a year after u. S. Withdraw from the deal and we imposed sanctions that were lifted as part of the deal so beloved breaker here is the magistrates not iran everyone knows that the United States has the power and the economic and financial power to inflict pain on the iranians on the people of iran where they cannot change their you know the reality that it is the law breaker that violated and i dont know if if i if what youre saying is true and the u. S. Is the law breaker hey why even bother continuing down the path of trying to save this agreement why not just rip it up and start again with a new agreement led by. China or russia and with the rest of the Member States of the your Security Council either accepting it or not why try and save this deal. Thats exactly whats happening with the United States out of the deal the nuclear Iran Nuclear Deal now its up to china russia and the europeans and iran to decide for the deal how to go forward then an artist that is unhappy with this reality it wants to terminate this deal to have you know another deal that it can be part of it iran is refusing that and other parties also are refusing that based on their you know dignity basically because the United States didnt take any ones that by even its you know allies in Europe Merkel president micron they they advised President Trump not to violate the deal but he did so this is a matter of unilateralism because of the multilateralism iran is taken to the deal because it doesnt want another deal that can be terminated whenever the United States wants. To and when i see the same question is it time for iran to negotiate a different deal led by either russia or china just to get this american deal completely. Well i think this deal basically a way that is took years to negotiate its not a 2 page paper like with north korea and it was signed by numerous countries and i whats going on here is essentially iran is strategically waiting their strategically patient they want to see what happens with the outcome of the election of course they were also waiting for this u. N. Security council vote and for all we know that this election could really be the determining factor on how iran reacts iran can withdrawal from the deal afterwards and also withdrawal from the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty depending on who takes office january 2021 and then i think this is something that iranian officials have friends in the past and i think right now its again going back to what i said initially it really does come down to november and what happens that the polls the United States even oranges what happens if trump wins the election and he says 4 weeks later we have this brand new deal its going to be great what is the deal and why would iran find it well to begin with we dont know what the president will do after he gets reelected but i can tell you this his hes been very consistent and looking out for the best interests of the American People its no secret thats been his push the National Security of the United States and of that region is of paramount importance to him so hell go down the same road and its always been iran there and needs to to to become part of the Peaceful World the world that he is an Agency Within for hundreds a c. P. O. A did it did do you wont you austin to do what cheney right is what im asking. Look i believe that most people ryssdal hope people are looking at israel have at ever as a terrorist state look theyre trying theyre creating trouble around the world in the region so i think that has a lot to do with this issue and making once again iran should be doing more listening than playing politics this has nothing to do with the election i hear about polls your guys talk about polls well 1st of all those are the same pollsters that said Hillary Clinton was going to win by a landslide so they better understand that theyre going to be dealing with President Trump again well after november and theyre going to have to change their behavior because this is all about their behavior by the way the sanctions are not designed to punish the iranian people theyre great people they want good relations with the United States its designed to punish the Iranian Regime and they need to wake up and understand theyre going to be dealing with this president for a long time has some is a. Opinion that youve heard a 1000 times im sure from people within the administration how do you negotiate with that like where is where is your leverage well iran has leverage is it is it is the fact that it has been true to its war where the where is the United States hasnt been true to his 2 arts and its name to rewarded just 2 days ago the u. N. Security council who are to be iran by refusing to us the socalled leader of the free will or as they would like to call it. If you think its you know the position but i think. That American People should know that their government is really using their tax money to in it in and in a campaign against iran that have nothing to do whatsoever with their National Interest or security they are supporting medieval regimes in our region bombing the hell of out of yemen. But when it comes to iran they say well iran is a terrorist nation for what i know a terrorist who is who tries to inflict pain on ordinary when young and not letting them get the medicine and food they need to find the coronavirus that is what the United States government not the great American People have been doing and i think that is clear on our on the iranian side so this is have pockets to say that we are ok with the u. N. Young people they are a great nation but we are dealing with a bad regime that is not think that has nothing to do with the reality on the ground you are doing a collective punishment on all iranians because they have said we are running out of time and we are all running out you know and i would like to get to the other guests as well hala youve heard 2 positions that very entrenched very classic positions in many ways when it comes to iran and the u. S. Is there a way out of this particular deal that benefits both parties will always have a stage that with a deal is just going to fail well i should note that there was a way out of all this when Trump Took Office he couldve used the Iran Nuclear Agreement at the confidence Building Measure to build upon all the other issues that the United States has with iran the added line behavior for its Ballistic Missile program and human rights but the chap in ministration essentially decided to pull out of the deal because President Donald Trump wanted to stick it to brock obama and thats really what this all comes down to and unfortunately were in the situation where theres really to an extent one path and not seems to be that the chamber ministration is taking which is more maximum pressure that nobody is really a hearing to and if we really wanted to see this change theres several ways to do this i think that poking the snapback stink. Thats something the trump and the station can decide not to do it could say that listen were not backing not being back these sanctions but we do want to do something we want to make that dont work but the iranians are going to come out and say well you know this guy may or may not be elected in november so i think that no matter what happens from now on november were still going to be going down the path that it is and were just going to have to wait and see what happens when the same road is very likely next week that we are going to be talking about the introduction of new sanctions this not President Trump and said he will announce it. What does that mean full this administration what does it mean what when when he says sanctions not by sanctions are we talking back to the full 2015 or are we talking even more aggressive sanctions than be full well thats something that is going to be determined between now and next week but i could tell you this that the obama deal was bad it was not good for the United States and you asked the question well is there a solution to the problem in the solution is a rant saying hey look lets sit down and talk lets renegotiate this deal make it a deal where it is satisfactory to everyone its not a satisfactory to the United States the president has made that very clear so thats the way forward but were not there yet and hopefully well get there as long as iran begins to wake up and understand that theyre dealing with a president who is going to keep his word to the American People thats what counts here whats going on with the American People so lets hope moving forward we could come to an agreement at this point we could agree to disagree hassan in tehran i want to give you the last question here. Has iran played it badly it knows that present donald trump doesnt like any of the agreements that the last administration signed with anybody so instead of buckling the j c p o 8 why didnt he just say ok if you want to change some part of the agreement will go back to the table or change some policy agreement and in fact if you want well call it the t. C. P. Away the trump comprehensive plan of action why didnt they do that wont because there was a needle and everyone was sticking to it but trump he had a personal issue with obama thats why it was i wanted to undo obama but this is not how International PoliticsInternational Law works a country that a president when a president signs a deal its a obligation of that country not the president who goes and another president comes to terminate the deal if we do that if it when you do that they when youre not you shouldnt do that then there wont be any guarantee that and had the next president will stick to the same obligations that trump terminated or t. C. P. Usa the trump j c p 8 would last during the next you know administration and theyre not the states that so its a flawed logic that iran is refusing to adhere to and i think if it has been accepted by other parties to the deal as well i want to thank all our guests i met in holy digress and Steven Rogers and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website aljazeera dot com and to further discussion go to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story and you can also join the conversation on twitter were at a. J. Inside story for me and my own car and a whole team here and a whole life announce. 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