The people versus the president anger grows in belarus against the disputed election the ballots and the sanctum so will these protests topple his 26 years this is about story. Hello and welcome to the program. Protests already in by the roots president Alexander Lukashenko has maintained a tight grip on power since 1994 silencing nearly all forms of dissent but his controversial reelection last sunday has triggered a week of unprecedented demonstrations and a tough response from police the opposition protesters accused of rigging the vote many demonstrators say they were beaten and tortured during the Police CrackdownOpposition Leader svetlana techno skya who escaped to lithuania after losing the election is calling for more peaceful rallies chance for lucas and co to leave echoed around the square minsk where people held a memorial for a protester who was killed will bring our guests in a moment but 1st this report when you step back and the brother was and kept. 34 year old. Until. The. The russian president Vladimir Putin warning the protests are not just a threat to the roof. The European Union is working on sanctions against officials it says are responsible for violence and falsifying Election Results neighboring poland is considering humanitarian visas for by the russians and speaking to aljazeera the foreign minister of another neighbor with a one year urge to listen to the people. But we have demanding the simple things to release those that didnt also also to stop while and since the start sounds quite weak but the start that i work with people all citizens they need to look more at why they were not aggressive they were not measuring window so hard in course but the force used because there was really. And there would remain some traces in the future thats definitely very difficult so we have no intention whatsoever meaning that so all right in domestic appears of that but we are talking here theres no borders. Attention. Lets bring in our panel joining us from mens Carrasquillo Roman Chuck president of the misses a Scientific Research center a think tank from peters all may have executive director at the eurasia democracy and i should say and in london dummy tell us a grim osa lecturer in security and development at Kings College london a welcome chill id like to begin in minsk with youre a slough all we right now a week into the beginning of the end of the president. We are at the beginning of the peaceful revolution folau the dignity democracy and freedom thats unprecedented when natalee political activists elected is but hundreds of thousands of workers all around the country. Joined forces to. Just thing look i must go here we are sick and tired of him the brutality atrocities and torture that the russian regime. Exposed and deliver experience in the last 5 days unprecedented with these kind of reputation and. Deeds there is no moral political grounds to staple question and so yes i think theres this is the beginning of the am let me bring in his own if im a kid i mean hes being backed by putin somewhat reluctantly some would say that does seem to be a conversation between location and the russian president and they seem to be talking. Well let me just go back to what you asked our about was based on a colleague that said its the beginning of the end i would probably just go with churchill who is reported to have said this may not be the beginning of the end but it may be the end of the beginning. And this is precisely why we are seeing these sorts of cults this sort of consultation that you just asked me between the 2 president s bush and co went to put in theres no love lost between these 2 men so you understand they havent dislike each other whatever can the difference in their mentality put in distrust the question of does not like and thats what had him all these years quite reluctantly as the lesser of all the evils that calculation may be changing in latin america wouldnt mind depending on what is happening in the streets it is being reported that the question happened the question to has asked him to step in military he may be asking for russian tanks on the streets of minsk because another been the russians it is because he simply is smelling serious trouble main thing were seeing right now is a nationwide strike that has reportedly coverage is covering about 80 percent of all of the industry on bellows and they didnt do the heavy industry has been traditionally look at china does bastion of support is risking losing it has already lost it and he went to put in now couldnt get relation is very complicated he does not want to be backing a very unpopular president hes probably not contemplating introducing troops at that he would support someone who would replace him question got he has already done that 2 years ago in the revolution other media and for now the street there and delegates and the street is not necessarily and russia and putin is very careful to maintain that balance and not to turn the. Opposition against the kremlin but youre a small room is there a potential for russian tanks to be on the streets of minsk is there any way that you can see that happening a guest in here says its an option but it might not happen. All in december 20 and 19 in all for the hope that would d be quite. Acceptable woods and that would have been very very. Good for the kremlin because that will mean staying in the polls for a long time within the union state a new political and jeff a little entity. The main player. Refused to accept this offer d saying that no no but there is a stain dependent on my to what i do not see any reason why i look at trying to should change his mind right now we have a low many more times right now but many times to define that one solves and look i shant get if he accepted this proposal he would be the 1st loser so i think all our way all out factors hed rather support repress his own people start to negotiate with workers youve been stuck negotiate with that its not learned to come up from our position perspective want that action landslide but that would be within the Russian National borders because no matter what they buy the russians treat society the message is not pro euro or against russia thats against the question and if you russia. He steps in russia would definitely not get. Well welcoming remarks and support from the population so that would be another hot spot on the map and checking out called the point that about 60 percent of russians support look. Than i do not think that would be in any meaningful advantage to that. Goal he talked gets ukraine 1st look at ukraine is independent and developing and that is not within the orbit of fortunes full control the. You would not have died but lets bring in those hyllus agree mostly from london the its an interesting question isnt it what does russia do next this is all happening in its neighborhood and its fair of influence was the russian thinking ahead do you think i think that border now has to really track to this very fine line because on the one hand he has to be very careful and i think that he would think very very carefully whether hes going to send in troops i dont think that is his preferred option i dont i agree with what the previous speaker said i mean its certainly going to cause a great uproar even probably inside russia. And certainly inside the rules so he knows that if he sends in even sort of little green man one night man that would also be very sort of risky so he has to find a way through which he come hey are shango without interfering directly in some way sort of instructing him how to address their prices and trying to make sure that the russian go does not use excessive amount of tools so maybe sort of i would have visage 2 kinds of scenarios that today or maybe not main juanmi reached they allow all these demonstrations to go ahead and try to negotiate which seems to be what is being suggested now even by the impression good to speak to the. Negotiations within factories and i was mentioned maybe even with a preview weve. All a scenario in which. You know im these 2 know he leads to a sort of a 4 lane support for the same one stray sions or the 2nd scenario where you think that these demonstrations may town in some way violent and that cunt justify them the use of force by the regime but i think that russia at the moment its not really thinking. About massive intervention unless the situation becomes extremely dangerous or extremely violent or you know i think its going to trying to in some way guide look around the way he would not. Want there are still room chuck. Looking has been absolutely clear he said that this is there is a foreign hand working in valorise right now the supporting the protesters sowing discord in his own country are you a foreign agent. Or agents all my life like now i working for new zealand intelligence kiwi i call i think its a joke of course you know that ill be in the streets or means or all about 7 days and its not about mans thats a bollywood you know its a small city is it one small dillards where a special group were you know arrested and that dropped the ordinary rule of population that has outraged has no country can afford so many spies so the thing is that people can have accept this very simple truth in this Campaign Fact women he said the constitution by that was is not for women he did not work theres no different dialogue web forums or hes long years in power as a result when to Coronavirus Crisis added to distrust of the government and what the really killed the remnants of popularity and support to look at. The brutality he told jurors in downtown maine now and both 3540. 00 persons are missing allegedly reported by police and special troops and theres a would be a lot of investigation around and the big. Hand the only foreign power that lukashenko referred to many many times most of the time is the candle the kremlin and they were what was. It mr sullum mouth piece of russian propaganda he was he was outraged by the way look at. People by the way that he did not recognize threats and they trying to make this very. Silly comment ben has been at being based on the western scenario fell out by im sure that because im going 2010 in 2019 he said that it is russia putin it is the old russian oligarchs who are trying to force but it was into this union state offering him that position all had political pop it in this joke political a political thing and if we explain if you. Accept the notion that put you in the jam there is the risk the regime no historical russia in the borders on a 19th century than definitely a butler who is going to be all good to have been planned so. Russia but he sent there is no doubt ukraine lets bring in pizzas only have pizza there is another way of thinking about this if. Lucas hanka doesnt accept International MediatorsInternational Mediation then its really just russia that might be able to bring an end to this but russia is very unpopular in belarus itself is this just going to keep the protests going well i wouldnt say its i wouldnt say its unpopular alike in like what you see in ukraine precisely because because russia has so far not intervened in that militarily fellows but the russians are pretty neutral about russia and actually theyre all united in what you at least for now because theyre all russian speakers theres not that divide between lets say by the russian speakers and russian speakers the way you have in ukraine we. Ukraine and the speaking last in russian speaking industrial eve so in a sense it could play to russia and benefits but then same time is the strength of the opposition of the people because it is now shaping up to be a true peoples revolution modeled on i would say after all in solidarity in the early 19th eighties and czechoslovakia as well but revolution precisely why the strong case finding it so difficult to react to it properly and nothing is working on that or not the population. Groups demographic groups women. About the plant workers to talk about pensioners have a small town because theyre all rising rising up percent that is unable to respond to it properly is. In fact maybe feeling quarter to the point where it would go back to quickly and offer. To take by the rules thats one of the long harbored plans for a sort of union in russia and belarus but then you then youre going to run into the problem of whether the current opposition which is the people will accept it and i have spoken to belive russians young and old and none of them like the concept played that sort of union you know russia is fine as a neighbor as a main economic supporter but bella rules will remain Songkran Lucas and god knows that and putting those that therefore i dont think the chances offer is all that attractive right now dont tell us either mostly in london lets talk about the European Union here they have come out and theyve condemned lucas and theyve said that there needs to be a dialogue but look i think it seems to be ignoring them and this is despite all 27 Member States in agreement when it comes to a policy for better or if the European Union power. Well i mean what i just prayed to before these. Broadcast on munich seemed as though. There was a call and desire by the liberals to also i have some kind of conversation with a European Union that was sort of officially stagg which also indicates that you know look a shingle is trying to keep all his options open and of course i think the europeans have have the experience of ukraine in mind when they are thinking about rules and they i think the what theyre contemplating if they want to in some way resolve peacefully base potential transition and find an alternative way out without question go but they do not want to be seen as sort of the instigators of the change and then sort of. Gave some kind of justification for a russian intervention which is what i think is very much here at the same time the europeans i have so many internal issues that theyre aggressive not the moment that they focus aids and not so much on this external crisis even though they forward countries of the European Union so i think its more a matter of sort of damage from probably than sort of full intervention and if i may just go back to what russia would like i think that what russia would like is in a way to have a leadership also in the Russian Group that is quite weakened so that in some way they can push forward with their integration and i think that its as was also mentioned by the previous speakers that russia definitely intends to strengthen and have these sort of union state done probably sees around a week and the question can opportunity but at the same time needs to be very careful not to sort of onion nate the entire population of benevolence well lets put the. Roman shock we jus accept a weakened lucas. All the question can use a commie more sophisticated experienced politician who has been pulling d for d 20 years he signed numerous agreements that integration and you name it and he has made a deliberate lets you know that the kremlin knows it Everybody Knows it so there is 0 confidence and trust in whatever look at shanika sads so we look at him gaze we can right now i can hardly mention any area where there is good call peroration between belarus and russia even the military cooperation is not as solid it was like 10 putin years ago with joe political social Economic Crises i see that russia oh without any clear advantage in any scenario as it would just went ape and played the role of surprise surprise Human Rights Organization your money terry an organization or humanitarian observer that would be against told chairs that russia would try to wean hearts and minds of the people it would try to keep up with a notice to buy the russian factories red directors nomenclature Even Special Forces to build the alps a parade because you can even ukraine you have some pro russian Political Forces and politicians in by the rules there is not a single Political Force or a politician with lines they just draw russia they dont exist thats why this got of cope vents of the question after rejecting so many dialogue proposal from was from Scientific CommunityExpert CommunityBusiness Community we finally turn to the dollar inside the country well of course you should do a lot to restore trust of course the agenda right now if he is called to transfer power to the new our president these are. He is on the table what we need is that powerful well thought of that did. Him to mediate or somebody who would urge you to question but yet as i am running out of time i do want to ask you another question on the point that youve just made you want to Say Something what is it you want to say yeah i just want to say that make me you know put in the past several tools and his disposal in his arsenal and you know yes it definitely is not very good for me because if its a trial i mean the triumph of another Color Revolution its looking pretty bad well for russia and their witness a straight up this contagions ready but if the push comes to shop and if this heat wins he will leave goshi 8 with the new leader and what he will really want the belarus can be made upon a mess up to a point but dont want to get mad wouldnt will put forward is that it does not move closer towards europe and become a member of the European Union and that it does not join nato that is precisely the policy and a very bloody policy and what you believe that hes been pursuing music great you know slowness getting a reaction even if its not the even if it is the woman waiting in the wings and in lithuania taken a skier is she be and would she be Strong Enough to be able to say to peace and would open a joint were going to join the European Union were going to become part of nato or youre replacing one with another. She. Is is another politician she is and the wife all the Political Prisoners she ran with just one thing when night when she says that i would declare free and fair her as a bench elections and she doesnt major she doesnt have any job all right thanks shes got some good advice and i think that the overwhelming support she got just that they we dont want to have a look at the 1st and only president and if we have it well try to pursue the policy of neutrality and to have good relations with all i want neighbors including european because let me remind you that you know last 4 years. I have been trying to lure the west with this means go go music dialogue reported by germany i did not see just want to thank all our guests jaroslav room and check pizzas only have and always hello so i grimace and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting a website out his or dot com and for further discussion go to a facebook uses facebook dot com forward slash a. J. 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