Is the relationship between the u. S. And saudi arabia falling apart as the state department shows support for a former Saudi Intelligence Agency says the crown prince wants him dead will President Donald Trump be forced to stop supporting evidence so much this is inside story. Hello welcome to the program im Adrian Finighan whats reported to be a 4 year old murder plot as putting further strain on the relationship between saudi arabia and the United States a former saudi intelligence agent is suing the Saudi Crown Prince in the u. S. Saddle jobbery says that the home had been solomon sent the same socalled hit squad that murdered jamal to kill him in canada in a rare rebuke of the kingdom the state department praised jabbering and demanded answers about the safety of his children who went missing in saudi arabia in march its the latest test of President Donald Trump staunch support for been solomon aljazeera as mike hanna reports from washington. Patrick leahy was one of 4 senators who sent a letter to the white house last month in the letter the senators express their concern about what they call the abduction in saudi arabia of sadal jobbery son and daughter. In his court filing our job research his children now aged 20 and 21 were being held as what he called human bait to lure him out of hiding the state department has now responded to the senators concerns in a letter to senator leahy it describes jobbery as a valued partner to the u. S. Government working closely with the u. S. To ensure the safety of americans and saudis it also states that any persecution of family members is unacceptable adding that it has made repeated requests to the saudi government about the status of his son and daughter. Was an advisor to the previous crown Prince Mohammed bin nayef here but in his court filing he says he left saudi arabia because he feared what would happen if and when muhammad been summoned took over the state Department Says its concerned about the alleged activities that resulted in exile to canada it says that any saudi accusations of wrongdoing against him must be and i quote address through established legal channels with full transparency and respect for the rule of law interpol rejected the request for algebra arrest saying it was rooted in political and not criminal grounds President Trump has continued to express his support for the Saudi Crown Prince despite the repeated allegations of Human Rights Violations describing him as an ally and friend. But increasingly this is very much at odds with the prevailing view in Congress Mike hanna aljazeera washington. Lets bring in our panel for todays discussion joining us from washington d. C. Josh an executive director of the Arab Center Washington d. C. Here in doha job is wary the director of the Gulf Studies Center at Qatar University and from boston in the u. S. Rami corey senior fellow at the is some far as institute at the American University of beirut gentlemen welcome to you all rami lets start with you is the u. S. Saudi relationship unraveling what are we to make of the state departments comments. The relationship is definitely in a serious process of transition and change after 75 years or so of pretty strong. Stability in which direction it goes is going to depend on how the saudis behave and its going to depend on how political winds in the United States change as well particularly in the congress and especially in the white house so the u. S. Relationship now is very very narrow in terms of its links to the white house and particularly to cushion around trump and individually so its a very send relationship compared to what it used to be before but it is definitely in a moment of historic change and it it could get better it could get worse depends on how people behave but chips wary here in doha what about the state department comments what do you make of that you know at the end of the day i think there was political pressure that the whole case brought the court by said the judge perry and that bomb that they cannot stay silent they have on you know you know their own. Being basically be marginalized and thats from the station. It does that imply outright something and you know what the assure you. Should make and a whole lot of pressure on. The statement by the bombings as you just said of how this so used to do something so they caught the kind of void the would which could come any time. To what extent is the white house of the moment being forced to change tack in its dealings with the saudi arabia or even to keep quiet by congress and by Public Opinion in the u. S. And elsewhere let me put it this way that definitely the Administration MrTrumps Administration is beginning to feel the pressure in this regard from the meat yet from human rights organizations from the congress. But i think that that rush or reach the level of forcing the administration to reassess any aspect of its policies because of the saudi arabia being careful they are definitely apply some pressure on the saudis to kind of help themselves if you will where Congress Warning them that if they continue on this path theyre going to create more opposition. Better relationships between washington and riyadh but the commitment in terms of arms sales and what have you which is the core of the bilateral relationship is beginning to suffer as a result of behavior that is not seen as democratic or as welcome here in the United States rami khouri what do you think is going on behind the scenes between. The white house and saudi arabia is it is it business as usual is the white house continuing to the to pursue that the policy that the. Came in with President Trumps arrival at the white house so do you think that now that the white house is under pressure on them to change tack on saudi arabia. And the u. S. And the white house is under some pressure as he leaves said i think correctly the pressure is there but its not enough to bring about a significant change at trump doesnt listen much to Public Opinion he feels he can carry out bilateral relations using executive orders and defense policy measures and things of that nature its a transactional process for a trump its not a ideological process so my guess is that they behind the scenes there are discussions going on between the saudis and the americans but neither of them in this relationship are very good at nuanced diplomatic and Political Developments the problem for both of them is that the saudis are being criticized in the u. S. And public on the private very much for their internal and regional behavior its not about the 1973 or an embargo or just the question are prices last year which is are there of course but their human rights records their cut their embargo their yemen war mistreating the lebanese Prime Minister assassinating people the latest accusations by side theres a very very powerful new element so it theyre being for the 1st time ever in a sustained way the saudis are being evaluated in public in the United States and in the Congress According to their morality not just according to the amount of oil they that this is new the saudis dont know how to deal with us the saudis approved to be broadly incompetent at Foreign Policy and warfare as we see in the middle east and this is they thought that in the past they could buy this off with the lobbyists by going to ranchers in texas with the president wasnt things like that but they cant do that anymore. Not nodes not troops wary what then is the aim of that the saddam jobbery lawsuit and its implications for saudi arabia or is it to add fuel to the fire of the controversy to further discredit the crown prince both globally and in the u. S. I just i would. Say i think this is what is becoming heading to demi and the situation you know. This in particular a mistake once you know. Ok an actual can help not create prop them out of being. So hes at the moment since 2016. Has become basically a troublemaker to them a kind of the bank and has to be the man sold in a problem so in this context the assassination. And whats basically was you know i think the saudis miscalculated everything about the whole sort of yes you have this it would be you know its in 24 hours no but you wont stop and thats but everything has become you know the main story until now. Happened and and now with the deputies of bringing more information about what else. Whats being said whats being alleged whats been said thats made now you saying actually it did happen actually is putting the saudis under pressure i think even the white house and the pressure is especially at the time now where whats wrong is focusing on his company waiting for the trunk of november elections so he does not want anything to be actually snake. Oil he is valued by his you know situation inside the United States with the photo not with the saudi inside so this. Is war. Should be already there and actually putting pressure on the. Saudis and the station as well and that is that isnt why the states said something because they wanted to reduce the pressure on the white house in particular. To agree with that. I definitely do i would just like to ask 1st of all in terms of being of added value or not i mean this administration is on a very Good Relationship with the elite ruling italy in saudi arabia but they feel somewhat pressured someone embarrassed by the fact that they are facing again a repeat of their mouth specialty i think personally that the administration realized that the saudis were involved and b s was involved in d. S. S. A nation of german questionably undercover toward him and they feel that they have been successful in protecting him and christine in this case. With some similar not quite the same but but similar kind of outlines if you will violating International Law going after this overseas then to assassinate one more time i think some people in the administration became nervous there is also that sign thats why they tend to see the saudi government at this time being a nuisance as being a burden rather than a strong ally but that relationship has never been leased by american Public Opinion as a long observer of the by the throat relationship i would say that the porn policy elite andreotta inject i always said i was frustrated with the fact that the American Public did not take the relationship even though its you know 770 years plus an ancient and has worked for both sides and many ways but it has never been from a solid perspective and a bit to the level of a Strategic Alliance the way they wish i want to come on in just a moment to what a future u. S. Saudi relationship might look like. A potential President Biden but for us one more question on the on the current relationship. Rami khouri. Party bill introduced by u. S. Senators this week aims to prevent President Trump by passing a ban on drone sales so that he would be able to sell such equipment to nations like saudi arabia and the u. A. E. Off the u. S. Made weapons were found to have been used against civilians in yemen and the what does that tell us about the about the changing nature of the relationship between saudi of the u. S. Is it more of the same that its what weve been talking about already in terms of several important things a man i want to add a follow up book khalid said. Tells us that the relationship is being adjudicated or negotiated more and more and the courts of law and in the chambers of congress whereas before it was in Public Relations and on t. V. Which it which had little little impact on american t. V. Doesnt have an out of impact on saudi Foreign Policy but now youre dealing with congressional laws on these sort and getting a little bit more bipartisan of course trump can always veto any resolution which she will so the congressional resolution is a say is a signal that the impatience with soda behavior is growing but the real problem the saudis have is with the shabby case with should shes investigation the murder of assassination official she being investigated by the u. N. Human Rights Council with a merry Serious International investigation these are instruments of the rule of law and the saudis are totally lost in the world of the rule of law so they only operate according to personal relationships and things like that and most of what the saudi leadership under come of been so men most of what theyve done. Has gone against internationally accepted standards of decent Human Behavior and trying to end the rule of law whether its behavior in yemen or qatar or assassinating people putting people in jail like. The many people who were put in the ritz carlton. Now you have many a woman particularly so this is the real problem every one of these incidents ratchets up the trend of taking the american show of the relationship into the chambers of congress and into the chambers of courts and the saudis are going to lose their i just briefly want to pick up on something that he was saying no less of the what i say basically that the shift towards the law is really a problem for the saudis and they dont know how to deal with it ok last year we talked about about how the u. S. Is perhaps changing its view of saudi arabia but to what extent is saudi arabia right now hedging its bets ahead of novembers elections as far as its relationship with the u. S. Is concerned. Its important to remind. You know that if youre so especially king some minutes and sun day which is actually. And trump the station even the solar we knew was that they bet that you want to come because basically so ds and Obama Administration. Thats not thought of the station are so used. Because of the nuclear deal. And how the sodas proceed so its basic need they have a major problem with the democrats and. Obama to them what were nice so thats the reason why did that and. Thats the reason why they try to push as much as they can so he basically acts against iran. Now is biting came. Into the 2020 or beginning or 2021. Nights med would come back at which but with more so with more of a generalization with more International Pressure with more economy quickness as would more and turn and weaknesses inside so. Society so if the most challenges will be. The so. How much you know the. Fighting and you know precious and reality about it even having having lived in the white house would be nice to the so do you agree with that i mean how would the relationship indeed u. S. Middle east policy in general change under a President Biden. I think it would see a lot of changes frankly my view was right the turning point. Was the Obama Administration the deterioration of the bilateral relationship their racist tone. All of the attitude toward obama whats been the public im very humiliated i was taken very seriously by the government at the time here in washington and left that date particularly of course with the democrats not historically the relationship between the saudis and the democrats have never never been as friendly as it was with the republican side the saudis have always long as i could remember more than 40 years of focusing on this relationship the saudis have always preferred a republican in the white house mostly for defense some are say a strategic reason rather than political reasons and that point never appreciated by the democrats but it has not all come to it due to a kind of start to the clash if you will. Definitely when you read between the lines in terms of the platform of the party that was recently discussed some of the statements made. By biden and his binders donation chippers going to see some tougher days in the future should the democrats. Win and november and definitely the saudis are not tipping i mean every person that is. Right now to influence the elections on that time to influence the elections are not as. Intense as those russia or china or anybody else frankly the saudis and the you know what are these not extremely involved and impacting trying to impact us elections and. Their preferences but it clear they would like to see. There on im on from 1st in the money from that extended 4 more years romeo if that doesnt happen if if we do have a President Biden after november is there a danger that if the relationship between the u. S. And saudi cools. Saudi arabia may turn towards russia or china. So the rape is already expanding its strategic and commercial and military relationships and with the talk of the russia and Energy Relationships with the russians the chinese and indians people all over the world so thats already happening people realize that you can no longer just depend on one person particularly want to get a fickle president like trump who makes decisions based on what he saw on the rightwing newscast that morning so yes there is that possibility but theyre already at trying to do that but hollin was an important one when he just slipped in there they they have it up hes with us so theres a lot of what the so these are doing is driven by pema been at the crown prince on the fact of ruler of the United Arab Emirates and the crown princes of the emirates and saudi arabia are driven by a hysterical fear about what happened starting in 2010 and southwestern tunisia when arab citizens started demonstrating eventually people were overthrown democratic elections were held muslim brothers came to power in one of 2 places as some have been say it is the Real Driving Force for many of the saudi policies which are and fact criminal in nature and destructive and mostly failures so the iraqis on the saudis are not very good at policymaking a beyond their borders on internally theyre becoming more repressive and tolerant and you see a parallel Movement Among both of them so i think this is an important thing to watch for the americans saudi arabia will always be important because it is so big it is so rich it influences other people and it provides a. Fulcrum for many of their actions in the middle east the big bases and cut out of so they dont particularly need it for military reasons but it will always be an important ally. But theyve never figured out the americans have never figured out how to use allies that they think that you can get the so it isnt pakistan is another is to 5. The iranian something iranian influence has increased in the last 20 years under american pressure so little of many wider issues than just the bilateral relationship ok and. Very briefly of im going to been a minute left here if joe biden became president do you think he would revisit the house shaanxi murder and hold the crown prince publicly accountable and maybe maybe a naive question but but do you think that is part of what dr saudi fear at the moment i think there will be more i would say would be more political pressure when it comes to. Story with comes to the human rights sure comes to meet even some policies in the region to get around young men. What looks good but its a good question and yet it ok gentleman there im afraid we must end it were out of time thank you all. Matchups wary and rami khouri for being on the program with us today as always thank you for watching dont forget you can see the program again at any time just by going to the website youll find that at aljazeera dot com for further discussion want to join us on our Facebook Page thats at facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story and you can join the conversation on twitter we are at a. J. Inside story from me adrian for the good for the team here in doha thanks for being with us ill see you buddy. 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