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They are theyre welcome to my home in Fairfax Virginia im josh rushing sitting in for the irreplaceable for me ok and this is the stream today were asking is to dan on the path to democracy still now look if youre watching this on you tube you see that box over there yet right there that is the live you tube chat help me out get in the conversation we have a producer in there thats going to get your comments or your questions to me and im going to try to get them in the show now let me catch you up on whats been happening in sudan where just over a year from omar bashir is government being toppled the new government set a goal of elections in 2022 so thats what everyones watching some of the problems as they were deadlines along the way like establishing a Legislative Council but they are ready missed those deadlines so concerns are rising particularly as the economy seems to be in dire shape which shortages of food fuel electricity and inflation on the rise now new protests hit the streets just at the end of june take a look at those here. A lot of the demands we want to filter out the formation of a Legislative Council that can see fights over the governments activities the 2nd demand is the chief of comprehensive and just peace and the 3rd is a civil state but what about it. When your 3rd demand is a civil state its a sign there may be trouble theres been a whole set of laws that came out in the last week or cell that seem to liberalize things but other laws were cracking down and there have been conservative protests since then check out some as conservative voices not everyones happy about the new laws. So if i let enough what i would rather have we wont allow bars to reopen we wont allow prostitution again this people is a muslim people and this is the voice of the people to stop us all i mean it when i saw a gun i guess in sudan men women and children are honest im spiny chair we wont allow any interference and we wont allow any distortion of the laws of islam and say it is our duty to talk to the streets until the government falls through in you. And of course these challenges fall on the desk of Prime Minister abdullah dr heres what he had to say about it i think we have the money speculations of all to be able to logically so they have a very i expect from this it will lucian. Here can go down as a lie and while the Economic Reform Program you know so well. And politics has to be aligned is not an easy job why would anyone doubt getting it right in the Peace Process at this ng that it is should be but also like the rest of the wall as if we do not have enough talent is in order to lives we would have to a discovered 900. 00. And what seems to be the most recent news here is that omar bashir may actually face a new set of trials beginning as early as this week of course hes already but convicted once of corruption but this trial will be about the coup which he led in 1989 now to discuss all this and more were joined by an exciting panel of guests all from khartoum im going to ask them to introduce themselves but im going to begin with Al Jazeera English his own more going to have a hey how are you. Looks like there might be a delay there or her pictures frozen so were going to move on collude can you introduce yourself and tell us why youre here both i a managing director of a think tank here and we set up to help with the transition so its 5 c. And government in order to be able to kind of manage its way its very short test function so its. Perfect thanks hey have a i just introduced it was Al Jazeera English is own and as you might there was a pause in the video in you can you tell us just a bit about where you are and what youve been up to. While im in a hot zone to catholics and ive been covering the series. The latest with the developments and social developments are happening here in stand and one of them obviously is the latest legal reforms in the case around it very think you have a were joined by one further guess which is cobb but i think were having some issues with his signal to moment so ill bring him in once we get a good signal from him and have him introduce themselves to you lets begin with some of those written legal reforms you were just talking about there have been lets start with the ones that are affecting the women in sudan is this a win for women. Well ive spoken to a lot of women of all this and one thing i want to say to the social media reaction i relent and man i also dont feel like yes thats this is a few steps towards what they want some people need one that theyve been awesome for but the fact that you know s. G. I. Has now been banned is something that they just celebrating the fact that women must kind of problem with their kids without the permission of the father or rather without the presence of a father because its just a matter crowning the costs a woman cannot travel with her own son regardless of the peace and without the father being there with him giving his own personal approval and signing off on this i think yes the mother from power was even going to ask for him to you know one of the main requirements for having an identity or an official license if he having a nationality idea and a 40 candles out like the face of the father now they can do that selfworth and thats thats a big step its what if im asking for and there are people who lost their children because they couldnt travel with their children if theyre Sick Children because the father hasnt given up especially separated or divorced parents that its been very complicated and there were times where the house is going to change judges and sometimes it gets front down so for them that is an improvement and thats Something Different often for 4 years. Can i ask you i print some analysts who are skeptical of these laws but theyre kind of all we want to donors in the west and the bill of fact the privileged classes maybe in khartoum more than they will women across the rest of the country keep talk a bit about the. I think taken in the broader political context is another win for the childish domestic connection to be much chattel if you will and signaling a break away from the is the policy of the last 40 years. But this does come in response to the 30th of june protest that. Wants a kind of more. Off the level of reform and so you know there are very important gains to be had for example stripping the state Security Operations of the power to tool to that effect or kind of everybody criminalizing s. G. M. And that benefits women i would argue benefit the whole of society because its about what kind of fight if you want to live in one that. Have some level of injustice to anyone will surely have a knock on effect and everyone to paraphrase. Most significant so you know apostasy those which have been weaponized and used against political activists wherever they are in ending you know def the Death Penalty for. Sex relations as well and to be mostly affected by that carry of. People such as people speed to have very few social defenses and public flogging of the kind of thing that takes place when the Morality Police of the judge jury and executioner and i think limiting the safety own power to be able to oppress people in that way the very important signal for the people of sudan that actually there is a break away from the oppressive Political Climate of the process. Because we have to remember that syria was brought in in 1000 each of 36 years before the share. Power so this is a longstanding issues only now something to be counted in the tub or use or the pyramid. I want to bring you into a conversation 1st begin because you mr round of bitter duction by letting the audience know who you are weve talked about the new set of laws and we talk specifically about the ones affected women and some of the more liberal wising ones but i want to pose to you that not all the laws were quite liberalizing the new information law seems to be trying to crack down on maybe journalists and can you speak to that place. Ok they have an 00000 or by seeing these laws. They are is not parliament out there peoples opinion you know if i thought by any opposition those are reform somebodys going to. Say that we got amendments that help where our mistake by the mist of justice but thoughtless about you know everybody. In the absence of violent. Invite all of. This laws and then come up with a condition would be. To be something that happened. By the laws i have. A lot of on my muslims so its all right for mums them to drink alcohol but theres a problem here because this clause is inconsistent with. The document as it mentioned that the rights and your decision are about because without our present citizenship without this and we mention. Race or religion. And so that now. This mystic is not sufficient or until now. About. What we mean when you say that you know either that there is not on there it will be sort of this knowledge state of assembly all parliamentary debate that are sharing agreement that was signed in the military and the protest movement or right before we can and change polish is needed very clear that in the absence of a parliament because it was suppose you dont read months after the start of the transitional period now in the absence of the parliament the council of ministers and the Supreme Council together make a parliaments and someone is appointed and i think in saying that they think that there was a parliament there was an arm and maybe its not clear representative because there are no Civil Societies there but it does fairly make up the parliament for the time being until one is actually formed which will be more expensive so youre here with me and i dont know if i want all. This also that you know the fact that when the syrian adults 1st came in in 1803 they were done by president ial decree by japanese american with dictator time and we didnt have such you know cries of lack of protocol at the time from certain quarters but if those quarters now who are crying foul because the laws are not in accordance with their wishes but what were seeing is that the number of people that are in favor of the gold up much more than the number who are who have come out possibly closer to to criticize weve got so i think what about the law is still affecting Good Journalism that is just not what about the new information mass protests. It is a concern josh you know especially when youre the journalist i think the fact that you know anything that you say or write even on social media which is your personal thing thats a mystery after like the use of the media that you were where you can be you can be outright or that you can be persecuted for that and i think that kind of affects freedom of speech rather a person as a journalist whether its activists what its every day you know people on the streets now when they see it in a very careful about i dont think that was what was intended if you look at the broader there are forms of as a whole the fact that you know the platform of a few steps forward i dont think the intention was of trying to stifle less freedom but these are going to be the side effects of having even on opening the ways for people to to to to to be able to say to you know to narrow down what they want to say in a because i will if im an ordinary person has to be very careful about what. Theyre there for life or some place that being said you know it may be and which its quite down on you as they were caught or on false information weve seen over the posse at once whether its on you know like political reforms are happening whether its on you know the pandemic or on a virus people will say misinformation so maybe the goal was to try to control that but then its like a double edged sword where youre going to have you know you control political false information that is flowing but you also settling on press freedom or rather freedom of expression because you will be able to express it equally even though weve seen it just in the last few days the military coming out and saying we are going to be a crime journalist and activist for what they say even there also have to come from so this is a side effect of that law. It were seeing some skepticism of the military in our you tube chat right now this is from Iskander Gabriel the military are still in power and using the protests as an excuse to wriggle elections i want to bring in a video comment from someone in our community this is david who is a professor at the university of nottingham we hear that now. Incidentally the question of what needs to be put in place in order to the station. By a number of. Measures one civilian oversight and increase in civilian pretending all over the military knowing that the military is the fundamental stumbling block to the transition 2nd the importance to the public is the military and trains them a trip back to the barracks in the thirtys also to decrease the footprint of the militia within the National Economy and also ensuring that you strengthen constitutional rule of law and strengthen Civil Liberties broaden and. Human rights. So i think everyone is looking at that power sharing agreement that you were talking about have a between the military and Civil Authority im wondering how is the balance of power there i know that in the protest in on june 30th they were saying that the military was a part it in charge of far too much to include some day to day Economic Issues that the military perhaps should be involved in. Yes indeed so the partial requirements that is going to be the 1000000000 will that Transitional Government which is basically the Sovereign Council we test 6 civilians and 5 minutes every transition period is 39 months since you want to be led by the military its in by the civilians the 1st thing you want to leave and its very now the 11. 00 that is supposed to be in charge of the to the affairs is the executive by harnessing often the hugo was a civilian and its also sort of the majority with the exception obviously of the head of police of the minister of interior who was obviously from the police and that the minister of defense was the chief of the military salute technically speaking as hes going for there the also supposed to be in charge the reason why we saw protests offensive to them is the fact that people feel like the military some talk because they see that you know the head of that you can imagine seeing economic auntie its beheaded by you know that at this point consul who is a military hes the head of a Paramilitary Force its a 4 forces general and undergo so the fire that hes in charge of of the body that is dealing with the current economic crisis inflation of 140 percent theyre not happy about it that is the thing that civilians should be the one for the meeting a small piece outsider right right now going on between us over on course and the government the Prime Minister when he was appointed and said you know before us all of my transition period is to bring peace but in general terms i dont know again as the who is leading that he has on his board and on forward and that has their members on assault rifles and most and its very our own sense in this discussion between now and the armed groups and and the Transitional Government so people are seeing that you know will also be government improving economy going to ease the military is right now taking the lead and theyre not. Going to get in our you tube audience again here clear them and toss this question to us or someone with my question for the panel is why do new ministers making these amendments while they were voted in by the people yet i think this is a question that khatami to agree with the sentiment of can the response in a clue. Well i think i think its. I think i think the issue is that when people on happy with the congress or government they question it. When they are happy with what its doing they tend not to so theres a 7 element the bias that but i think this. Document made it very clear last year this government was going to have the full until such time as a government could be elected and its role as a childishness government is to put in place you know the exact wishes of the people what child thats where their mandate comes from you know historically we havent had much luck with transitions it had even less luck with democrats democratic election so you know neither of those is a guarantee that everyone will get what they want and they mean a black to be a good there are not i think thats a true model that there was some level of you know democratic will be played out rather than one group being targeted. Because the democratic will were seeing happening here. Its not democratic but i think. Its looking the ground the the rights of minorities be done im still blah blah blah d all right all international. Agreement was on 5 on. I think its its so good though its a good amendment. And let me go back again to the freedom of expression restriction about the cybercrime slow actually i think im a legal rights activist i thought low and we. Knew that its the same 2007 lol but they have just increased the punishment beauty of this out of it and crimes. You know that knowledge is a continuous evolution and the cycle times are instant price action was it to. The loaded into memory Lies International down while there was international down before just one year and. Their loss of sudan by. By 45000000000. 00 per day besides that low is going to realizing this information on him i miss him for mission and see on the other side says this or that debates are right like this i see you on one of my. Thats on to the forum its on this information at this information you should provide the information and make it available for all so we should make me your cyber crimes though that will. Make it up to date and the omega 3 dont separate the freedom of oxygen available more. So weve got about 5 minutes in the show lets are a couple big topics i want to move on to cope and my team is hitting sudan just like its hitting everywhere else and its really exacerbating some of the Economic Situation is there the war in the i. M. F. Has a special fund set up to help countries with their coded responses to 50000000000. 00 fund but as i understand it today and cannot access that money because theyre still listed by the United States state department as a state sponsor of terrorism tell your understanding of it whats the impact of that how important is that. Well 1st of all like you said yes theres no organic or the virus has its event are. There. d are actions that are the warning from success that its raising providing that whats that i mean people who are all the contagious diseases the question is if they want to get success in their homes that isnt going down well because people dont show up at the scene people and its in a rise in the number. Yes it did hit hard seeing that inflation rising 140 percent before the corner virus it was around 1000 or since and yet sudan has actually said it very clearly that they are in need of thats help and weve seen a Donor Conference in the state of the more consistency get a. Sense why they were quote programs launched by the un system governments weve seen them in talks with the. Nazi ones very un and the world bank to get great access to grants now the issue of the sanctions is affecting the country that its in but we also see this Parliament Line is missing and. Again with the conception that it happened since last but why this is and so thats also as you know if i dont support or ground rank its like its families that want to incomes let me shift that were seeing now sealing the current on the ground are foreseeable so thats what we should as well of course we still look on the fact that it was all 41. 00 its all the money and now all. Of this is what its actually 43000000 and one out of every 4 is actually in some on the side of its a little farther and since all this is facing some challenges and it does need a from the world bank and international to fund what theyve been find. Somebody who thinks that. Theyre going to be on track to meet the election deadline 2022 what are we 2 years away from that. Well yes were already be a 3rd of the way and theres the signs are not encouraging that that that that but that the line that might be very you know achievable i posit that childish and should be extended but of course there are many political. You know parties and mistakes that would have would take issue with that the key is now to maximize i suppose while we dont know how long the transition would last or to maximize on the gains that we can make in the short period of time and in order to do that the government needs people to. Behave book and sort pension these changes the legal changes that nomic to him to ensure the governing system of the country so that people actually all over the country will be able to feel the changes that have been made. To talk about a minute left here and one talks this year if they do not make the deadline of elections in 2022 are they at risk of being this kind of eritrean model of transition forever. Weve lost a top heavy did you get very open mind though or college did you hear the question go for. I mean sudan has at times this incense independence and to states and it just has little sold by us of governance if you will and so i think what we need to do with have mobile political and economic you know policies that are able to move away from sudan away from this here to perpetual childish. Action is set you know build the stakes previous reputation so i think were on the right track on the right track im going to bring the you tube audience in here for the final word this is from doing the delegates as the reforms chart a path to relative secularism open the country to foreigners and it also changes the perception of sudan in the International Stage so everyones really looking on that stage as to what happened in the day and will they make the elections in 2022 a really want to take my guess collude and especially have a morgan from syria who was being with us today from khartoum and thank you for joining us here in the in our you tube lives. Well see you next. The edge of. The universe is a Tipping Point scientists are telling us right now that we have just 12 near us the worlds leaders fail to agree upon a solution people are taking matters into their own. Documents. 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