A looming election join me Steve Clemons in conversation with leading voices on the bottom line your weekly take on u. S. Politics and society on aljazeera. Well brazils president be forced to take a coronavirus a risk that. Hes dismissed for months as a little how will he deal with the fallout from the worlds 2nd largest covert 19 outbreak this isnt a story. Hello and welcome to the program. Brazils president spent months downplaying the coronavirus pandemic. Refused to wear a mask dismissed lockdowns and said his athleticism would protect him now hes one of the 1600000. 00 brazilians infected with covert 19 only the United States has more infections and rio de janeiros famous copacabana beach has become a memorial for the nearly 70000 brazilians have died so far cemeteries are struggling to find space for the dead hospitals cant cope but also remains defiant he wont state governors to reopen shops and factories to restart south americas largest economy despite the rising total of infections daily the Health Crisis is worsening clip. Tensions in brazil as outlets and america at its own loose in human ripples. Through World Leaders have defied a cold in 1000 like brazils jade. For months the president tempted fate and turned to doctors he scorned calls to respect social distancing he seemed to relish defying even his own advisors only as pressing the flesh and rarely using a face mask many members of his cabinet had become infected even his wifes grandmother some joked hed made a pact with the devil until what was probably the inevitable that happened book award for author of youre a cutie my sil the west side. Everybody knew that sooner or later current of our sort of reach an important part of population a lot of people like me for example if i would not have done the test i would not know about a result that was positive yes it was positive. So far bosso not has admitted to having a feeder and body aches but continues to brush off the severity of an illness he once described as a little true even taking off his face mask after testing positive. For. Ok so you can see my face who wants to see my face im fine calm thank god. Thanks to those that prayed for me whats the porting me im fine thank god. Its not just balsam not his health but his political reputation thats at stake hes waged war against lockdowns saying theyre more harmful than the illness. Hes clashed with governors who ordered businesses closed and the Supreme Court which recently felt compelled to order the president to wear a face mask or pay a steep fine just taking his cue from donald trump also not or has threatened to withdraw from the w. H. O. And has ordered the Brazils Health system distribute the anti malaria drug hydroxide chloroquine despite warnings that its not safe or proven to be effective through treating coronavirus hes in fact using it now himself. The w. H. O. Nevertheless wishes him while im a speedy and full recovery from from this disease or leaders around the world have of have had similar experiences and i think it brings home for us all the the reality of this virus that will likely depend on how president bolsa not affairs on whether hell become seriously ill as was a british Prime MinisterBoris Johnson or whether hell be back at work in a week or 2 telling everyone i told himself all this despite the more than 65000 brazilians whove lost their lives so far to the socalled little flu you see in human aljazeera. Lets bring in our guests who are joining us from brazils the biggest city supper like dr robert noel is the president of the Brazilian Lebanese Medical Association and italian pasternak is a Research Fellow at the Biomedical Institute of the university of south polar and clever hale your is a professor of political strategy and communication also at the university of supper like a wall or continue or lets start with the politics i want to begin with the clever it would be very easy for us to dismiss this as Mother Nature having her revenge on the brazilian president but there is a bit more seriousness to that before we get into that what i would like to understand is why has the ball sonera been so dismissive of the this pandemic since almost the beginning oh its a pleasure to be with you and you are all going us president mosul are oh always sad coronavirus isnt that dangerous down here. Its very similar our President Trumped up front to think that girl a virus was only our literal truth like he said but this is tracked to g. Is very dangerous for a hint to then i think he is now trying to keep the discourse montane do you support earth thinking that. The coronavirus is something interest but now he infected with coral uprightness then the book about the probability of i have a big problem that hates health its. Real then i think now we can do most complicate the complicated moment in the situation then he has option of formal taint or keep the use force use of. These are very interested in ears didnt cause yesterday for example he was taken up view of how he got to chloroquine. And saying that it sucked your eats. Up possibility of cure and. Thats no problem with him its. Here that its on the roll through its not a problem for him and we have a lot of people here that believes in the present most narrow that only its a big problem a political problem a Health Problem and after all our economy problem to brazil but whats driving it clever is it this almost a machismo like im Strong Enough to deal with this or is it a desire to get brazil back open to get the economy back on track whats driving his thinking. I think its very a difficult to understand this hit present post on ars mind because he always. He always think that everybody is against taim and he won the election. Speaking that everybody every r. T. You sound very a people will use against him then when we have a problem like the us. And then like that is a big problem but he has op some used to. Speak that its not a problem its only our through and and everybody is against him again its a very interesting a how president will so narrow constructed construct at all or stupid he is. Correct or like to pollute politically there then for him its very important to be against the war again against everybody then i think its. A possibility possibility trueman taint the supporters for him its a very big challenge average every time. And the coronavirus used one of the challenges that he went sure the to say oh everybody is against me and i have the cure i have the right information i have i am i am correct and my supporters will be with me and tell you pasternak its a very dangerous strategy that is not when you when the president says well im right and everybody else is wrong that seems to be quite dangerous for brazil. It is then driven indeed and ironically the ones that people its mostly in danger of hes also old has because he conveys the old the wrong road model when he goes out on the streets and shakes peoples hands and refuses to wear a mosque and says publicly that he has that your and its hydroxy chloroquine yesterday he did a lie well ive taken place it looked like a publicity stunt really he too had dropped quite a queen and public saying that he was feeling beauty and that it was probably because of the medication when we know that the medication doesnt walk philco that 19 is so its going to doesnt eat gives a better example of how to behave and specially after he got the diagnosis all of a positive coping 19 lest he should have gone into isolation and he didnt he called a press conference and he talked to the jewel of the lists face to face and you even removed his mosque at the end of the conference to say oh this is good just so you can look at me and see how good i feel how good i am so its then theres behavior and its as its called the really bad example to the population those who are of a nema is that anything about most our strategy at dealing with 19 that is hopeful we seem to have a very pessimistic view at the moment currently. Nancy is that maybe. This will not fly. By anyone. We know that was not really the lead of the 4 run iris. What do you have not had anything to do you see decided. Yet to back the lack of business by not for hiring. Yes. Its just not good for us not. Just be here if you say the wrong idea. Its not open but if you want. To use it you can do it for not. Like you are not sure if the. Issue is a lot but. The way the. Do you focus off writing a direct. Access to their pages at the boss. Side what is office side not if it is a fee. And the. Office rate. I understand here. A lot of. The. Access. If you have to look. Too much. City last more and you know if somebody did any of this part of. The masala or here it was going on and he fired not to use he says hes 1st contact wanted to eat when he became president but you know you could be a problem of. Do. You eat the whole thing this is not easy you know so its not useful or not in it for the love ill do it the global skeptics of coronavirus and Boris Johnson for example the promise or the u. K. The u. S. President on trump and now im also nara club occurring is there a political opposition that is actually going to try and tackle the leader head on is that anybody that can challenge him. Its a big problem brazil na because we have a president wilson our house 20 percent of the population. That believes in him but we dont have another leader that can repress and this 70 percent of the people that doesnt believe him then we have a big problem a big challenge charge democracy and now we have one of turnout if most on our own hook and it isnt the best one but we had another alternative den did the other leaders the opposition either scam up. Bring a possibility to construct some ideas of our or some of the of 2 to have 2 possibilities to turn possible earth so the people that we can. Pass by this crisis cannot completely go into Health Crisis and the governor of the state will. Try to or to marketing the people at home and Something Like that but its not possible because a big part of 30 percent of the population believes in the in will present was on our end they dont want to be at conde dont want to wait for do d. And of the depend on it then we have a big problem and we dont have an upturn in our real turnip if now. Like i said its a very very spartan challenge to our democracy and ill tell you pasternak the science is out on both chloroquine which has been touted as drug and hydroxy chloroquine theres also been touted as a killer were not sure about this there arent enough Clinical Trials is that right to so why is the president using that particular drug. How hes not. Affair with hydroxy chloroquine began but it seems that it began with a President Trump really when president truong tweeted about hydroxy chloroquine and how it was a miracle drug and doesnt matter really looks up to him so both of us are all adopted to drugs as a cure and he started to come they did a population that it was a real cure even though it had no side to it basically even sad that he said that he knows its not been scientifically proven but that it was for many people and now hes going to show that it works for him so my take is that he has no idea how science works and how clinical tests and so he eased things that if he believes the drug orks and that doctor as i use it then why not why shouldnt he use it but the fact is that hydroxy clark mean its not a knock us it has some dangerous side effects cardia products side effects it can cause a rate mia so its not without risks and he should them anyway be broadcast only to the population as a your and thats what hes been doing probably because he knows how science who works dont a robot nema is is both a narrow self medicating or is it taking advice from doctors or they prescribe in them this drug. Not right back. Back at us a lot of. The salon is not designed to be. Disputed by fix your 222 need to float exotics iraqi us at every rule all of the talk. But weve got to weve got to do it and you know that you just you need. To go that you fight to right that to us so i dont t. Is it politics. Is the. Vehicle that you know as you said to us that data. That the u. S. Is after her by. Even by the method by the doctor is not. Not no i need not yet a lot and not you cant wait feet that were not hiring. And it documents our society that hes a shit if its 30 years or not you have some sad fact im not that mean as a people use lots of money about it but. There are many other. Diseases and as a hallmark that way its very rare to see a farmer. Satisfactory happy so dont you have to decide it and the side its not automatic you see should be there are no servants and have no definite that. He said more his doctor sat not to see what i want to use its too long to do his job yet. Lets talk about brazil generally and italian pasternak brazil seems to be in the 1st wave of this pandemic and with all of this advice going on from the present use their struggle im going to be fine and all of these mixed messages or direct messages and coronaviruses and a thing is that meaning does that mean that the 2nd wave may well be worse than the than the 1st wife. I dont know if we have the 2nd wave i think were in the midst of the tsunami relates going to be. The only way. We havent really gotten past the fast wave and i dont know if we go in to get cases down and best down enough so that we can talk about a 2nd wave i think its all connected like a big tsunami really and of course this is a result of bad Public Policies and electoral guidelines from the federal government in calls when the president himself a state that its just a mine of flu and thats nothing to worry about and why should we isolate and go in to socialize allayed and and here is the miracle drug so he gave his all wrong ideas and sadly 30 percent of the population still follows haman believes them so many many people believe that its just a mind a flu and they should worry and they should respect the preventive measures so i dont think were going to receive them 2nd and 3rd wave that its all going to be mixed together and the cases will keep piling out daughter of a number thats quite a frightening thought is that there isnt a 1st way there is a 2nd wave will just say one long continuous wave if this keeps up that must mean the Health Care System in brazil is either under tremendous pressure or is about to buckle because of the pressure is that correct. My these are the see i was afraid of because the suits. Only say its all the out it may be ass as big as holy add an obvious. Added to that little tool doodle had it for you he didnt get what you have it and have him happy so we had we are then it is the musician has his fish ante and because he sees it happen what did you know you have an hour half an hour and so for example hands up all the you have to least gazes off of these occasions and he she said that and then introduce apollo is going up and descending and i are the beaches in the north east the last of the seal. So at the night its not now not have you with us you have some and you cases need a new places and it go on and its you know we havent learned it on the continent i think they have not 90 percent of the before liveliness some inside you suck place the call of. Hey neal at what point if the health if the Health Care System does buckle or break does that create a political crisis for the president at what point do brazilians to say enough is enough its interesting because the president most americans discourse is. Its very different and that im eager because. Because he sees. The problem in the healthiest you something line its up a problem of the got very nervous off the majors but it isnt up. It isnt my problem its a very its very interesting because when you dont you think our leader that. Canon organized the deep organize the country both on our all of our his options. To be. To protect himself to protect his image then he always say if it has a problem if there is a problem in some city or some state then its a problem of the governor. I think for the 20 part percent of people that believe believes him i think its not a problem if you if you have a big problem in health in Health System its not a problem for the president its only a problem of the people of that were very nervous of the need or just but not of the president then its its a new way to. Believe because that he hasnt he hasnt any problem the problems are all every problems are of the other actors of the political system governors are major acts but not about him. Id like to thank all our guests dr Natalia Pasternak and clever hey yo and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out to 0 dot com and for further discussion go to our Facebook Page at facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story and you can also join the conversation on twitter we are at a j inside story for me imran khan and the whole team here in the. 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