As an effective punishment for human rights abuses the British Government targets suspects linked to killing a russian lawyer and a saudi journalist but will sanctions change anything this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program on iran come on its a crackdown on despots and dictators persons government has announced its 1st sanctions and leaving the European Union and punishment for the perpetrators of what it calls grave ist human rights offenders the targets include suspects linked to the killing of saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi and russians connected to the killing of tax fraud whistleblower lawyer Magnitsky Soni Gago reports from london. A long awaited action against abuses of human rights the measures announced by the foreign secretary committed the u. K. To holding perpetrators of mistreatment to account. This government and this house sends a very clear message on behalf of the british people that those with blood on their hands the thugs of despots the henchmen a dictator will not be free to waltz into this country to buy property on the kings road kings right to do their Christmas Shopping in knightsbridge or frankly to siphon dirty money through british banks or other Financial Institutions the new regime of sanctions targets 49 individuals and organizations from russia saudi arabia me and ma and north korea designed to encourage better behavior. The sanctions target those at the heart of Russias Interior Ministry such as a leg to cenk all accused of being responsible for the death of said game magnitsky the russian lawyer arrested after alleging that russian officials were involved in large scale tax fraud and who died in prison also sanctioned all those who were involved in the killing of Jamal Khashoggi including saudi qahtani a senior advisors of the crown Prince Mohammed bin sajjan and the senior official who planned and directed the murder of the saudi journalist using a 15 man team also listed the perpetrators of ethnic cleansing of the rahane in myanmar. And so when the commander in chief and his deputy with me and my our armed forces who are least humanitarian disaster that killed thousands and left many more displaced and the 2 organizations responsible for forced labor torture and murder in north koreas gulags the sanctions also signify a change in the u. K. Status no longer applies to European Union rules it is designed to place human rights front and center of a new british policy you i think was very aware and the opportunity to delay the departure of the place this weekend and so this was a strong. U. K. Is going to stand on and its going to exercise this right the act is set to be extended to may challenge of a country such as china over the week a detention camps and crackdowns on hong kong protest as the question is will they go far enough to effect a change in behavior sunit i go. Weve been speaking to segue a magnitsky former employer and businessman bill browder he campaigned for the british sanctions as well as the magnitsky act in the u. S. And he hopes the rest of the world will follow suit in punishing human rights abuses. Ive been campaigning and advocating for consequences for the murder of Sergei Magnitsky for a decade and i used to be in the old times that governments would just issue stern words saying we condemn such and such government for doing some atrocity and the people doing the trustee were just laughing because there was no consequence to them but by individualizing it surgically pointing out without evidence of 1st committed to human rights abuse and then punishing that person with something they care about which is the ability to travel the abilities spend their money in the west all the sudden everyone paying attention and i can tell you from my own experience with Vladimir Putin that he made repealing the magnitsky act his single largest Foreign Policy priority because he was so upset by it so i think that this is a very powerful tool its something that upset both the people who were sanctioned and it scares the hell out of the people who havent been sanctioned who are scared or worried that theyll be next this creates a whole different Playing Field for the people who are being asked by their bosses in certain countries to do terrible things in the past they could do something terrible and know that the fully protected by their own government now all of the sudden theres no way that their governments can protect them against this and they have a different calculus that they dont know perhaps they think that that their dictator wont be in power and 10 years time that theyll be on the sanctions list for the rest their life and thats a different scenario than then if theyre fully protected and i think that that will change behavior. Lets bring in our guest from london david hague human rights lawyer and founder of the Campaign Group detained international from moscow and the stars are guy for a Political Writer and Deputy Director for the center of political information and from turkeys capital ankara yaseen act a chief advisor to the chairman of the ag Party President richard type of the one and a prime witness in the murder trial underway in istanbul a warm welcome to you all i want to start in london with david hague a lot of what dominic robb has said is quite good fodder for late night comedy t. V. Shows theyre not allowed to come to london and buy a property in the kings road and theyre not allowed to you know do things like that however there is a serious question behind all of this to work these sanctions do need teeth they do need bite have they gone far enough. Well i think. Firstly its a very welcome step what Dominic Brock absent on monday in the sanctions that the worst human rights abuses but quite rightly like you said unless they actually have teeth and they are consistently applied to all human rights abuses whether or not the u. K. Has a Good Relationship with that country or the specific leader then they they really are going to be worth the paper theyre written on and one of those those elements that we look at when you look at saudi we see that theyve already mentioned 20 of those involved in the murder of democracy but they have conveniently avoided and widely believed to have been the person that the century ordered the crown prince and if were looking to be looking at that kind of inconsistent application of the rules to people that they they like all that they dont then they really will lose their teeth lets bring in moscow had an anastasio got however a lot of these have been aimed at people that the russians incest as a domestic internal affair has nothing to do with the International Community whats right whats moscows view of this current move by britain oh well. You must because you know its quite clear that these new portion of sanctions has political implication and your portion especially does not thanked industries Financial Sector the contrary as a whole this huge quite quite calmly and these questions and the sanctions that were quite expected be analysts think that it was a mistake in. Their belief dont their basic need for some but in general as expected is better and their american version of. What they least. Ect and so it is quite clear that. On the part of the Great Britain. It is an attempt to reinstate itself thats that global stakeholder in International Affairs now independent from the European Union and its still so old an attempt to unite with the United States in. Terms of Foreign Policy so it is deceptive very calmly. It does not affect routine as france and the media want to present because not an excuse the streaking nor any of their persons from the jail prosecutors or even doctors at least. In mr putin is in a circle so it is just what peacefully perceived but i would draw your attention to the fact that. These years sanctions kind side it was quite important events in russia itself that affect domestic policy i mean not just a few days ago russias president signed into law the constitutional amendments that were approved by russias russian population a few days prior to that. Well the sanctions have domestic they mention. And in fact each time a great great. United states it still lives some of the countrys Foreign Countries wanted to use the measures that received here senseless and. Aggressive at some point it brings the unity to russian people and didnt bring small populated to their fellow eightys so Great Britain and. Indeed for lies i think more what would they want to achieve in the end of the day one of the regular david hague in london david youve heard our guest in moscow say that effectively britain is flexing its flexible muscles it simply doesnt have would you agree with that well i think britains role in the world Going Forward after leaving the European Union is is one that were still built building effectively and so to a certain extent i would but something that doesnt rob it went out quite well is that a lot of the the the world starts coming here from the gulf countries you look at the look at the u. A. E. Francis the u. A. E. Royal family come here all the time and weve weve also found as the un sound i think in 26. 00 in the u. A. E. Uses systematic torture and abuse of human rights so in provided that the sanctions have teeth and not go wider than they are currently there and i do think that bearing in mind is a place where a lot of these human rights abuses do come for summer do come for holidays to travel through it very much is a hub of the International World so whether or not its indolent flexing its muscle the very fact that they come here they travel here doesnt mean that we can actually you know basic. In full sanctions against human rights abuses once theyre in the jurisdiction but again the question is are we going to do it consistently for example again referring to the u. A. E. Why are there no members of the government on that list when the u. A. E. Has been found by the likes of the un and even by the English High Court the rule of the bike to have accused people human rights why are they not on that this lets bring in yasin x. To hear from her yes in the court case is going on the moment within a stumble to try and bring justice to Jamal Khashoggi family however will the sanctions that have been announced by Dominic Robin and Great Britain have any impact whatsoever when it comes to the nitty gritty of that cold case. Of course the sanctions are important from the declaration of the sanctions and at least at as an expression of some sense of how the human rights and the way relational these human rights and the brought it is this person especially the right persons in in their absence into it is stumble or are are or in saudi arabia and they do they have been trained in their in their country in their in any any transparent or any just way and the democratic just this incident was very important from the from its work from universal point of. Nothing had no any step ringback has been taken from the international the International War or into International Justice and it is quite. A bit international into an International Justice because as as not turkey yes it took place in turkish. Interest country but all the whole all the world persons are absent from istanbul and the istanbul court. Who took their statement about this and i think thats going to be some sensitivity you know since it a little sense to be about such violations of human rights of course i dont care about it but it is you Case International interest in this or in other way but but also and this also will come in i think these steps will come but of course we want and we expect to be applied to many other issues like for example in egypt there was a you know. There were many many while asians on human rights that the 2nd took place in got just. About 3000 people who were killed by dictators waypoint included. All these crime and not nobody had elected nobody had reflects that in any way and its become Something International human rights activists or human rights became when he signed that law is for example so yes if you say do you say no. Comment to place of course to be extended also if more white. You say that this move is welcome however there are many calls from International HumanRights Groups about turkeys own record when it comes to human rights particular when it comes to the arrests of journalists and academics there is a potential that this law could be used against senior members of your own party. Yes if there is something about turkey about anyway relation of all human rights activists are welcome to it they dont come and they come question they come ask our questions but not everything we could bend is true of course to be on the plane at least if anything and anyone issues of human rights happened in turkey be as a human rights activists also ready to interfere interfere to such a while asians also and those journalists those socalled journalists we each are making propaganda against. All this book that they know what it just parent made in turkey and this there is a way that there is a opposition to the opposition but if the opposition cant do anything can say anything can made broadcasting any anyway there are many opposition. In turkey they can they can do they all they all claims and it is not complete chemically comp if it such as such things of course i cannot there is course in turkey very transparent accountable of hearts d and made the. System in turkey but also i mean the problem that gives to go of course are the people who commit called it that in turkey will attempt to put it there and thankfully thank for that thanks for that that if and unfortunately its failed if not whether to bring in a starting up forever in moscow a couple of your points are valid taunts or a couple of points that you did make the same firstly what can moscow do to counter this. Well the russian authorities held the latest statement that this gesture will not be inserted so theyll probably some symmetric measure but the other thing that is more important is that as you have mentioned very and youre very right that really is the sanctions were. Human rights abuses there are selective nature and. The best thing that russia can do and the topic the trash brings back more and more is that. Their language of sanctions should not be used or. For investigate in or overcoming the human rights abuses and the fact that Great Britain introduces sanctions not only against russia but also against other countries and the their selection of these countries that be is quite strange. And gives an opportunity for russia to state once again that. They have the sanctions or should not be unwind it and no one who wide wide now. And all the human rights abuses should be investigated. According to procreate procedures while countries should together at the negotiations table so the main. Objective for russia is to stop their sanctions or and to show that it is not a peaceful way for that think going to this binge century to solve the issues well lets bring in david hague from london david. Saudi arabias investments in the u. K. Absolutely huge theyre about to buy new Castle Football Club or trying to at least. Is this a way as many people are said so you actually give the saudis a bit of a slap on the wrist but its business as usual but i think only only time will tell i mean if its as i said its a welcoming but its not a good start but there are people not on the list that should be there we should have seen that the crown prince numbers from saudi relation to the. Feeling we should see you 80 leaders in relation to all sorts of the. Is that human rights on that list and theyre not there and it was only i think about a month ago that donna broch referred to the u. A. E. Is resolutely you act so that thats a concern when you look at the new castle the new castle that the club sells potentials out to saudi arabia you know time will tell if that is allowed to go through then that will show you that the sanctions really are worthless because that should not be permitted to go through in the normal course with the rules of the English Premier League but now with these new sanctions how could that possibly occur but it has to be david business as usual where britain has left the e. U. Is looking for Business Partners it needs laws like this to give the appearance of you know wanting and trying to do something about human rights abuses however britain does need Business Partners and theres a a real politic that. Well exactly and thats the worry we we often see again focusing on the u. A. E. We often see as i said on meet robert jones the u. A. E. Is friends at the same time as there was a High Court Ruling in the u. K. That the rule that the router by it is and should be used is childrens and is why its human rights in the u. K. So its very concerning that the government can look the other way when there are commercial interests that will you know ensure that the sanctions dont apply to people that could you know do 2 good things for a long closure perspective it should be universally applied whether the country is a friend or a boy you have commercial interests or not if someone hasnt used him rights then the sanction should be applied against them in england full stop and if that isnt going to be the situation which concerning leaders start so far seems that it may not be then they really arent worth the paper theyre written on yes and in on korea what do you think of britains role in the world currently do you think it is a power that can help or do you think this is simply them leaving the e. U. And needing partners across the world whats the whats the turkish view on the. Every country has its own role but i am a test of in the stroller. In seeking for any role d in iraq d owes its did its legs it and after it begs its it has to set its own rules and its on educations and its on its our principles which is of course as was mentioned before. Is a very historical imperial country and it was its for representing the war. Or the universal those. Not important i think every country has its own right to form being more powerful of course but the important thing is to do sense for really and to agree internationally by all in the nations and turkey also has the claim of course to present and to seek for the assyrians to the rights of the of the. Of the people who are being wronged and who are to any different people to ration the not people turkeys posting about 4 or 5000000 people from many to for on some crisis regions like for example from syria or from yemen with on egypt from libya from iraq and from myanmar or from india or from afghanistan many people out for refugees in turkey. For shelter in turkey and that is of course lets lets be lets compete in the goodness not in bed because if youre in even. If i do apologize youre saying when are you. Running out of time and i want to come to. Honesty in moscow. Youve been not dismissive of this but you said that this is britain trying to flex its muscles and and therefore russia is taking it that way but what happens if other countries sign up to the magnitsky act if they try and do their own versions of that surely then that becomes a worry for russia. In fact there were attempts by the European Union to introduce its a version of the magnitsky act so it could expect it again. Because. Now were even in the sanctions war we see that the United States introduced more and more sanctions debate against china sold. Im pretty sure that it will be received calmly but it will force russia to work out some symmetric measures which is not in russias interest in fact because well currently facing cruelty to corunna crises and so on it is better for countries to unite other than to find ways to introduce aneurin heuristic sions especially given the fact that they are ryssdal fun used to magnitsky was not disputed even by the European Court of human rights. Yes says there may be abuses. In it and mistreatment towards him but it should be proven effective hes arrest was not disputed so it is a very complicated question and it needs. Procedural investigation concern and. 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