Anik singh occupied palestinian territory israels Prime Minister wants to seize more of the west bank and the Jordan Valley palestinians and their allies denounce yet another land grab. Spark more middle east turmoil this is inside story. Hello welcome to the program im Adrian Finnegan the west bank and East Jerusalem are at the heart of any future palestinian state but occupied by Israeli Forces since 1967 and now threatened by an accession palestinian dreams of their own homeland look increasingly impossible israels Prime Minister wants to declasse sovereignty over illegal settlements in the occupied west bank and the Jordan Valley and even netanyahu wanted to begin an exception now at the beginning of july but his Coalition Government partner benny gantz says combating the coronavirus should come fust the palestinian leadership major e. U. Countries and arab states all object to an exception but the seizure of more Palestinian Land the seem to be in line with Donald Trumps proposals for peace in the region. With berkowitz in basad afraid men and members of the delegation i spoke about the question of sovereignty which we are working on now and over the coming days all correspondents in west jerusalem and ramallah following events will start with aljazeera as harry forces. The 1st of july was the 1st date available to Benjamin Netanyahu under the terms of his Coalition Deal with his former rival benny gantz to start making real moves on an accession but he gave a pretty clear indication on the way in that he wasnt yet ready to do so saying that there were days at least of talks still required with the United States and some of his own ministers from his own party have been giving interviews to jesting it could be a matter of weeks not days certainly the blue and white party of benny gantz wants to see any annexation put on hold until coronavirus and the fallout economically of the pandemic are dealt with the blue and white foreign minister Gabi Ashkenazi giving an interview in which he said he wasnt aware of that neos intentions but he wasnt expecting any imminent announcement saying the United States had yet to sign off on any final deal and indeed the u. S. Approval does seem to be the key stumbling block here one israeli t. V. Channel reporting that the United States wants to see concessions made to the palestinians at the same time as any annexation moves that could be difficult for netanyahu to sell to his right wing supporters particularly if you also has to endorse the trump plan in its entirety which of course also includes a palestinian state carry force that the inside story westerners lets hear now from al jazeera later abraham in ramallah on the palestinian reaction. The next station is still on the table whether the labor force is all gradual for them its seen as the final blow to the to 2 state solution weve spoken to the p. L. O. Secretary general saw that apart and this is what he had to tell us if he annex is any part of that was back but surely comprehensively whatever it is i believe the person would be destroyed and that any i would be responsible and sure that is what responsibility is in accordance with the 4th geneva conventions and i think for tonight meaning he would look at the garbage in nablus jerusalem or afternoon as drivel etc we will not sit on a table where the american israeli plan is on the table this is not a peace plan. Is not a peace plan its and the next edition apartheid dictation plan and we will not sit on any table. Im certain it is not related to the timing. But the future of. Israeli Prime Minister benjamin. Israel and palestinians warn that annexation. Ready. Just to give you an idea of how the situation is reduced erected to. Now our pushing foreign diplomats to try and put pressure on israel. And the palestinian president. Has all and is not bound by any agreements with. Israel including security. With israel. For inside story the palestinians say that an exception formalizes a land grab which has gone on for decades around 250 israeli settlements and outposts of been built over the past 50 years all in violation of International Law a separation wall cutting through palestinian territory in the occupied west bank has been built over the past 18 years the planned addicks ation would include the Jordan Valley a main agricultural and water source for palestinians israels actions were recently boosted by a major shift in u. S. Policy the trumpet ministration announced that the settlements are not illegal and endorsed the white house also recognize jerusalem as israels capital and move the u. S. Embassy. Lets bring in our guests then for todays discussion we have with us from ramallah in the occupied west bank dr Mustafa Barghouti leader of the Palestinian National initiative the member of the Palestinian Legislative Council from washington d. C. Side out a cat adjunct professor at the American University in washington as well as the washington d. C. Bureau chief of the l could staley newspaper published in occupied East Jerusalem and from west jerusalem. Political writer and Diplomatic Correspondent gentleman a warm welcome to you all on a car lets start with you as we record our discussion it is Late Afternoon wednesday july 1st the date set by netanyahu to take the 1st steps towards an exception and yet theres no sign of if how and when he intends to proceed why is that. Hes waving 1st of all for a green or some kind of green light foam washington d. C. We had this week a big group here of the u. S. Special envoy ill be back over each of peshawar about to the middle east that has had 3 days of talks 4 days of talks over here and hes with ambassador friedman and weve got that on the hours cannot either all talk together and try to get some kind of the siege and now there are back in washington and were waiting to hear what the washington what exactly is going to happen until now like i said we are not expecting some kind of an announcement from the Prime Minister today still might be but at this point we do not know yet yesterday he said were going to work on aid in the next few days meaning also he doesnt know exactly what kind of green light will there be an eva will be a green line there is suddenly a reporter the u. S. Might want to know that the now to give something to the palestinians if he makes decision to annex parts of the west bank so at this moment we really dont know when and if something is going to happen were still like everyone waiting talked about kuti do you feel that its a matter of when the not if israel will proceed with an expression to what extent is the u. S. Administration key to how netanyahu moves forward now unfortunately this american administration. And south. Who are crying. A workaround that includes an exception of occupied to duty is in violation of a very International Law and a war crime in the sense that israel is practically and strategically by building a league of settlements by any means of is there killing very much. Statehood and has created already as is the market by its much worse than what south africa saw a day show it is not about tactic or that it will happen on the 1st live or to live life there usually it is about israelis that it has to be stopped and has to be changed a strategy that is immediately quick getting past that its an act can you assess the get of the bumpers which already exist before. Them in the 1st band and me graham who does the you already mentioned a part time while you mention 250 illegal settlements and 650 military checkpoints the whole system must be changed and we will never stop struggling for our freedom in this occupation is go over and kill this system and the issue of mission is finished side out a cat has International Condemnation of israels stated intentions and talk of us appeals to to slow down with this got anything to do with the fact that netanyahu has moved forward to damage so far the international community. Has huffed and puffed and issue strong words will it do anything like introduce punitive sanctions against israel if it does move forward with with an expansion plans. Well theres been a great deal of condemnation adrian i mean weve heard this over the years israel has practiced the grieving yannick sation for the better part of the last 5 decades so there is nothing new except for one thing that you know our american administrations that say in particular in the past has kept some sort of daylight between them and the israeli position that the company mr asian has completely and. Gone along and and eliminated whatever daylight there was between them their condition and and their israeli position so they have adapted and then a tenuous position it is clearly stated and in the end of the century in the socalled peace plan announced last january does give israel the right to an extent the present of that 5 west bank so there is nothing you know theres been a great deal of pressure from americas allies and region of and that has allies in europe as on go slow down so while you know if these 4 for today there seems to be no major announcement on an annexation i believe that the process is Going Forward and exactly as netanyahu wanted and one other thing. That calendar is very important in an hour because he knows the u. S. Is moving toward the an election where it is quite possible that the drums opponent the former publicist President Joe Biden could win this election and he did announce that he was opposed to an exception so chances are knowing that in the ill know what hes done in the past that this process will move forward and a cast iron whats the mood within that now his coalition right now will he be taking into consideration any misgivings by. The also the promise about against. So if it if it were only dependent analysis of the i would go to implement a very low on 30 percent of the area but governments started saying this week for example that this is not the main issue of days when a government that you need to talk about covered 19 than i am and it seems that maybe dans understood politically that that to now isnt exactly going to ask him what he agrees on at the beginning we know the u. S. Government wanted some kind of a consensus between the 2 parts of the Israeli Government but now it seems also from the statements of and it to me out that hes going ahead weve some kind of an extension even though guns might oppose that. So that that the situation right now we seem to the attempts to formulate some kind of sign of consensus this is. You can throw it away maybe the Americans Still wanted but it seems this is not at least from the outside talk of the 2 this is not a possibility right now and the question is like you said what will happen if. If god doesnt manage station and danielle doesnt will he cause a rift in the government so. The big question is will it pass in the end because the 2 agreed during the Coalition Agreement that they dont need to agree about an annexation to go through if and this is the only issue they dont need an agreement but the question is what will happen when you. Bring it to the government to a vote and maybe fall because blue and white guns party wanted leader did so so thats the political there but it seems again do you or your asking if an attorney hour is looking what gun to think about an extension at this point it seems we are past the stage that are now we are in talks with them or we can see also im talking of the american blue and white is not an issue in the Decision Making on the tobacco to have an expression in any form goes ahead what will be the impact on the process that began 27 years ago we heard barack at the beginning of the program saying that the p. A. Will be destroyed what would an expression of the west bank leave the Peace Process dead no hope of revival the Peace Process. And those who are grieving because. Randi has been asking them does their action since 1900 feet when you hear the debate of the israeli public again after ive been practically of course as a sinner should but im in the really experienced will listen to nothing on. And i said you know mrs browns victory here in this book published under the sun which should which you get to the whole. Process and back if you spoke about the whole of the west bank as an israeli that thanks them he systematically destroyed every piece of security every chance to assist solution and in my opinion presented that agreements up dead or slow getting them to the security coordination i was there are you i was there and i saw practically this is all the outcome of the thing outdoes the next issue that sells mix it impossible for any palestinian state to be that decision. Means that israel has declared itself huntly or apartheid system or hop right in the 21st century and much more surprised than was the events in africa a system based on Racial Discrimination that is the meaning of an exception and this would mean a lot to practicing 1st of all its the end of course of the person referred and it means that palestinians house who unify their identities and their forces together and the conduct of the life the Supreme Court ruling on violent. Repression but also it means that i use a very powerful boycott divestment sanctions against the government and its policies but most of them steps in which means that you declare a change of the person and go up. There and give the possibility of the state solution we have not understood but to demand one democracy solution with equal national and civil rights and thats one Democratic State would not be doing this or impossible today as a number for the Senior Living on the grounds of the 1st 1st sign is equal if not this is more than that is the easy for. And that means one thing was really does not mean the security after this that is the exact. Change there were 6 or 8 but for the time being the most important thing is for the role of the citizen if you perceive a lot of this in who will say i hear them side our cap what do you make of what you just heard and i need to give you the reaction that because i want this another question i want to ask you just move it well very quickly you know that to borrow the says it correctly i mean the are the process really cease to exist there when there was supposed to be a palestinian state a state by 999 that never happened and then the our courts were virtually destroyed when. You know Sharon Martin and Durham Arline 2000 and then you know occupied and the ants round in former president Yasser Arafat for for a long long time and so on they overtook many other places sell it all exist really and and then all and sort of rhetoric and and and and in terms of code nation basically security coordination between the Palestinian Authority and there is really so that you know to really effectuate they are to a process narrow the outcome that the process that should have been crowned with that palestinian state had gone a long long time gone ago as so that is no longer a viable case and i think that also and that buddha said that you know it is really in behooves a palestinian to look at where they have to look and how they can resist and what to fight for to and that espouse and then perhaps you know an ocean articulated by the Great American journalist the lawyer he says you know when injustice is law then resistance is duty and you have to come up with a creative way to resist this system or about africa that is in a wholly supportive of external supported. Professor lets just suppose for a moment that that israel doesnt go ahead with with an exception for what for whatever reason would the palestinians as the Jerusalem Post suggested today be willing to think then under those circumstances to come back to negotiations. Come back to what i mean look through number 80 and then the last time there would be who she is within the 24 team and the israelis had agreed you know that that was during the 9 month period and the. Second state john kerry if you recall and they were supposed to release to tell you as president that should have been released way back in 1904 and they didnt because they dont really want to negotiate anything with the past here and israel has always used the goshen ition just to you know create facts on the ground to mannix more than. To make it impossible for athan is the damage which we are where we are now so i think that when the palestinians say negotiate go back to the negotiating table what are the negotiating i mean you know the parameters and the framework for these people who should have been determined a very very long time ago you know but in the time you restart the negotiation is restart from the point where things are now so the palestinian before going into negotiation they need to state exactly what they expect at the end of an outcome where they expect the end of that negotiation to be i believe that israel will not allowed would not allow a significant emerge that the 2 state solution have mom been since you know really relegated to and achievable goal and a cast on a recent beginning here we are july 1st nothing has happened yet as we recalled this program Late Afternoon on on wednesday. To what extent is netanyahu is an exception policy do you think a a distraction tactic to divert attention from his indictment on corruption charges i think i understand you correctly what you said in your last answer is that its not yet a done deal it might not happen. Netanyahu is looking at at 2 previous you know israeli Prime Minister you know what hes looking at lets say at bendel yani he always speaks about he views nothing else right now the longest Prime Minister in israel anything looking or so weve all met and hes asking himself how can i really you know leave something for history how will i be remembered that thats i think one of the main question hes leading him aser also the son of an historian so hes asking myself he feels oh he talks about you run preventing iran from Nuclear Weapons that he talks he story he so i think for him yes if for him doing some kind of implementation of the israeli law is some kind of leaving a mark on the history book because of it and that. You know he might be remembered maybe as the 1st like you said as the 1st Prime Minister that is being indicted so i dont know i wouldnt want to get a distraction but i would point his willingness really to go into the history books as someone who did a stab that will be remembered in this story and. Wont be remembered like only for example of the oral form or to the act acted through a nuclear war and other issues he doesnt want to remember the Prime Minister you know indicted for bribery he wants to be remembered as a Prime Minister who did steps on the ground and stuff. What do you think netanyahu his motivations and if and when israel moves forward with its stated intention what will annexation look like when it began gradually and in phases or fearing that its ally in the white house may not be reelected in november do you think it will go further and more quickly. Well listen they sure it is not send them back to the u. S. We say see as i said i think youre for the by the. Party that initiated sentiment activists is love then if our party which is vital in our boss and isnt a government that wants to annex that to practice. This cause labor party you im going there all of us ones im moving and the problem here is that the various movements standing grandmasters. That it was an illusion to think you can reach a compromise. And just listed solutions which are to prevent practically i think for compromise for the palestinians is they would have or see a need that is going to 2 percent of this or hispanic for this time when theyre nice ignitions decided we should have 44 percent nevertheless the various move saying its not going to have a compromise so College Students will make the conclusion and they are making good luck with the program my current will go back to the way it is in the good or for the same or for sake for the same nothing no forced process then perhaps this mission is and i should go for shows where option you might want to leave the leaders you might want to play i was trying. But then think that i won the audience understand that either to let them know or show one or the leader of the different price he is the problem of the Zionist Movement that does not believe that we the palestinians are equal to that. Does not believe the can as it was human beings and that uses discrimination as an official policy of the state of israel and that is very clear in the serious national law that they have and can judge what is and accept apartheid will not fluff we are out of time we have to make room for the news from atlanta couple of months many thanks indeed to you all for taking part in the discussion today the stuff about booting site out of cash at archaia stein. As always thank you for watching dont forget you can see the program again at any time just by going to the website at aljazeera dot com for further discussion you can join us at our Facebook Page at facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story and you can join the conversation on twitter i handle at a. J. Inside story from me adrian for going to the whole team here in doha thanks for being with us well see you again by foot. And. So you took a group of young men right they struggled with this. 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