Greece in hostilities in yemen we listen this is the moment to stop all military action this is the moment right on fighting. With. The stories the. 0. I am for me ok you are watching the stream today we are going to take a deep into the plot lives matter and the bench and talk about where we fit into it but if you know your p l m history you know that we started the movement so what are we talking about today ill show you this tweet we very often ask our Online Community what are the stories youll for and what would you like us to talk about on the stream to mina says the lack of focus and justice for black women and trans womens lines within the black ice Matter Movement that is a discussion there is so much to unpack you 2 can do that if your own you tube right now jump into the chat and youll be part of todays conversation. That is say hello to the guest the guests will introduce themselves to you how kimberly welcome back its been a long time teller he never asked well im a professor of law at columbia and u. C. L. A. Law school and im also the executive director of the African American policy forum when 2014 began to say her name hash tag and campaign to draw attention to the fact that black women are also killed by the police and its important that we say their name so their stories can be part of the movement thank you so much for being on the show today the minister welcome back to the state in about 5 minutes i think is the link and remind us what you did why during this conversation. Well. Or maybe its not even funny. I mean activists i am very much a black feminist rabble rouser and im happy to be here to talk about the ratio of black women. Thank you so much and a special hello and welcome to the stream to jena best jena tell everybody who you are why you are critical to todays conversation. I am here today representing my daughter i am the mother of the young taker one and a black woman who has unfortunately been erased. Arsenal i was contacted by dr kimberly and when she reached out to help me in 2015 when india was killed by the junior beach Police Swat Team with my 4 month old grandson in the backseat of her car so im here today directly as a result of the outreach of dr kimberly and see her name and i also am part of the state her name others network. When were amplifying all of our daughters and all black women and trans women whove been. Gina we were just looking at your twitter banner and im just going to read it because in the 2 lines you tell the extraordinary story of what happened to your daughter india case so you are india cagas mother on twitter mother of india innocent navy vet killed by the genial beach police then the date 530. 00 rounds into her parts car thats the swat team with a full month old baby son in the back seat exclamation mark that is your daughter and then let me start the conversation with here this is julie julie to says the stories of the men told a much louder than the women i can list so many of the men but struggle sometimes remember the names of as sisters she says also its the same phenomenon the missing a murdered Indigenous Women in canada so lets talk about say her name black womens lives matter why is it that we can name dozens of black men who were murdered in similar circumstances or caught employees be tallaght situations but if we say india kagan. Who knows anything. We unfortunately what exists in our society right now that were fighting against him why the movement for say her name is still paramount is that just as you said the names of black men who have been killed by police are on the lips and tongue of pretty much everyone because the that is the name those are the names that are elevated and amplified where the names of our daughters and what black women whove been killed by police the there has been suppression and out not only suppression but also the complete theres been there ignored and erased because unfortunately we are still contending with and im going to call it the patriarchy that exists in a society where women have no place not in life nor in death. To be nice to someone arent regret. I mean hes got it. So yeah i did i went how i just 1st of all you know i think i met you a few years ago and im so sorry again for your loss because and the fact that its been erased because im tired of it ive just gotten past the point so one of the things im thinking about is when you reference the patriarchy i think thats so important talk about because you know we have these markers of manhood in our society you know the ability to protect provide you know have children or you know procreate and then you know this whole like sexual prowess and manliness and one of the things that historically black men have not been able to do is protect black women from races not islets and things like that and so i think honestly its embarrassment its like if we dont talk about it then we dont have to remind the world that were not really so called men because we cant even protect our own women from Police Battle right and you know generations of this like every time a black man tries to stand up and protect a black woman or a child hes killed or injured that gets in grains and sue out you know they think about lets not even bother so right now i think its really difficult for people to admit that black women are being killed by the police because then its an adult men on black men which again goes to nature anything that happens to women is always an indictment on the men of a community so rather not say it so we dont have to confront it and deal with the embarrassment that we cant save our women and protect our women yes that thats profound right there and i think it plays in so much to a whole range of things that we dont talk about in our community because it goes back to the inability for men to protect but i would add to that that there is patriarchy in the sense that that cost is taller. The cost nonspeaking out the cast not in you know our women in the conversation 1. 00 thing that gina said in a pod cast we just did a special edition of intersectionality matters featuring the story of indicator and one thing that just blew me away i was asking gina about what the response of the community was to this egregious outrageous action on the part of Virginia Police that shot all these rounds into the car knowing that india was in the car knowing she had nothing to do with any wrongdoing knowing the baby had nothing to do with any wrongdoing what were people saying and edginess gina i think you know put her finger on it when she said in these Collateral Damage situations where a black woman finds herself in the crosshairs of the police what people tend to say is a what did you do ron to put yourself in that situation what you wish your responsibility for it and when i heard that i think this is rape culture as applied to dannys violence we start with what are all of the decisions that the victim made that put earning in the line of fire and if we can come up with some justification to say well you know you should have been with the guy theres no i would rage about would the Police Actually did and theres an Excellent Way that patriarchy shapes i believe all of the ways that women 5 women stories are interpreted and you know even though they dont even really say that when men get killed theres really not a conversation well why was eric garner 6 selling those lucys or why was like brown walking in the middle of the street people realize that none of those things can justify Police Violence but when i mean it they can come up with a story absolutely not. Agendas i do see that i think i see just story festival and then theres the outrage about how the killing of the paternity was not justified and then be might be little bits of another story comes out oh well hes been in prison before oh well blah blah blah blah so we just dont still see through but it seems that its not as to when i did not have money to spare apartments right until i got out where he just expressed right and then lets go to sleep now thats curious as what are only can manage a lot it is ok we say and thats what pains the last lets do. So let me just bring in. His agenda consultant and shes being stinking about these issues but with the a regime of black women lets have a listen to. Their reserve black women and black lives matter speaks to the pervasiveness of patriarchy and sexism this is seen who is being memorialized for driving the movement and whose lives are being centered in the immediate narrative there is not only harmful because it contributes to a narrow understanding of who the movement is for whatever reasons but removes the gender specific ways in which black women experience racism from the movements agenda in order to adequately disrupt the system threatening violence there needs to be a greater understanding of how the systems of White Supremacy and patriarchy intersect and inform each other this must manifest in more attentiveness the sexism within the movement and a deliberate effort to amplify the voices and stories of women and part of their entire worlds within the movement. Gina tell us about this is there any way you want to speak an event and you asked people how many people knew your daughter how many people with and how many people put up the hands well it was thousands and it was here in i live in Howard County maryland which is primarily. Well its. Primarily a 9 millimeter after black people when i was there was enough. Out of thousands maybe 15 i was standing up on a point and maybe 15 people raised their hands and from my Vantage Point of course tears in my eyes at that moment but it was enough to see that even in maryland even here a navy vet that no one knew and in his lap does need to quantify but beneath that but no one knew about the egregious way in which she will start an attack with flash bang grenades and murdered by the beach with her baby in the car no one and. Let let me just add one other thing than that she also you know said as she got a bill for it you know the Virginia Police these police gina best a bill for the destruction of the car that her daughter was killed and this is the level of the disregard for our lives for black peoples lives and black women and their children are part of that you know that that exercise that that i started doing in 2015 continues i would ask everybody to stand up and i would say when you hear the name of someone that you dont recognize sit down so i would say eric garner my ground to where ra is aligned across the aisle and almost everywhere most people were Still Standing the moment i sent Michelle Casella everyone sat down there might be 5 people Still Standing and i get to take or no one has left me theres a township to actually feel. Can we let this moment pass because there are lots of people on you tube right now who are having a rich conversation saying wait a we are having. A tell us about michelle so that they go away everyone goes away knowing more of the will. Is is in some ways her death kicked off saying her name michelle was killed 5 days after mike brown was killed there was no Media Attention there was no conversation there was this growing consciousness of course about black people being killed by the police the intolerable dimension of it but no mention her name until fran garrett michelles mother said somebody in the recognize that my daughter has been killed so she took michelles cough and to the city hom to mend attention to the fact that her daughter lost 7 her life not because she did anything wrong heard a lot of. Family. Call when someone called for a Mental Health pick up order for her daughter who was suffering from schizophrenia and the police decided that they were going to break into her home when she didnt want to come out and within seconds of the encounter the officer had shot at through the heart thats what were looking at black black women are not safe in the street theyre not safe in their homes theyre not safe in their own bodies and theyre not theyre not removed morry allies in death because this loss of life falls outside of any of the available frames that people have for thinking about antiblack Police Violence so that death caught our attention and then we started to say well why arent these names being mentioned in the rallies and in the marches that we go to so we went to march as with a poster with all of the names of black women we could find and started saying say her name and that was the beginning of the hashtag and the demand to this day its still a challenge people dont know the. If you dont know the story you can either have the rope or and so theyre necessary to protect our lives and i dont really exist yet i notice anything that. Even say her name has been collapse it and people here say his name and its slightly a lot of the lender stand that this was created because you are can that name black women that have been killed black trans women that i think you know you know black queer women that have been killed because everything is there so now its like say his name what his name has been said over and over and over to the point you dont have any worries right now 3 weeks ago it woman an interesting list later died in Police Custody and people are not i talk about this every day because i just dont understand why nobody is saying talking about this or are mentioned he said that shes not getting the colorful cartoons shes not getting the means for instagram but yet and this is not to disparage the black men but they found a case from last year a young boy eliza who is now be a memorial eyes and im like priscilla just died 3 weeks ago why didnt she get the flower thats why did Briana Taylor get a star studded televised Memorial Service they dont know what he articulated it wasnt even if i mean let me just bring in joe johns joe johns hes a transmetal shes an actress an activist she spoke to us a little bit earlier because rudy talking about a marginalized group of black women and then we go into the Trans Community and then hes even can you be even more marginalized is what john jones tells us that have. Trans women and especially black turns them into these inner alarming amount of issues in society financially if they believe them protection which in our care system and protection in general and in the streets is ideal that cant people who are not human i. Feel angry when trans people or not you realize people are less likely to jump in. With an altercation for her left leg or more when you harm a transfer thing and in general so i think we need to move into a police where we are getting to know trans people were hiring trans people we are funding trans people but were really getting to you were transferred people are seen as equals. And then just picking up the conversations that were having a new chief about the teaching plus good ainus an arse. People being left out of this conversation and. That maybe that we need to have campaigns for that group of the community as well so how do you even begin to start with and it is such ality. Well you know i dont want to be in there that when tunku have about black women being killed by the police we have and always do include trans women. When we consider gentlemen to be women. And core in our group is more the sister kayleigh more one of the principal stories that make up say her name kayla moore was killed when her roommate called the police because she was having a Mental Health crisis when the Police Arrived they ran a warrant check on kayla. And her birth name found a warrant for a man who was you know more than you know 1015 years old and. And she was tried to arrest her she was aware that there was no warrant for her and because they were threatened by her they killed her in much the same way eric garner or george floyd was killed her last words were i cant breathe now lets just think about it if i cant agree 7 is is meant to be this symbolism of the fact that black people cant exist without police literally on our throats on our now and then surely kayla more story should be part of that d Natasha Khanna whose last words were you promise not only know me well not one knows about that story and its on this is a for those who say well the reason we dont talk about black women is its not on video actually there are killings there are men are on video the issue is that there is no space in the imaginary about what inside black Police Violence looks like so saying the name of kayla moore tunisia Anderson Maya Hall of india cater the point of this is to understand that the experience in the vulnerability means that were not safe in our own body. Than our own bodies a movement that does not talk about our bodies is not a movement thats lifting us up to. Illuminate it i think with. An online so its a free for instance as a lot of this panel why activism has to be intersectional she sent this is why it has to be intersectional also getting some pushback to your conversation i know youre used to this. Through instance and that being part of the conversation hayes says i feel like lots of black women and women in general are starting these ways of bashing black men and creating these hate. Towards fees plot man i know you all know how. We are going to tell. Me why dont you want to reveal. What an honor its the fact that hes going to do it one by one hes not i mean youre always ok well there are youre 100 were also and intentional intent is to divert away from the issue at hand were specifically talking about black women who are murdered and killed by police who have not been amplified that the system is that the media and who are usually the megaphones of the 1st point of contact for the police that they are also part and parcel in erasing all stories of black women so when you focus on that there usually is someone whos going to come in and say well what about black on black crime and what about this what about that were specifically addressing the issue of black women so when you have others who inject and i want to solve this this intentional did you do all that is intended to diver in this part of the problem were dealing with to this day and that is the youre a share thats part of that policing and what is the yes so yeah i guess the i get that my name has feminist in it and then i raise i. Also i get a fresh out of that if i wanted to be hateful or i wanted to even go there because i dont im one of the i organized one of the biggest. Like multinational multistate demonstrations against Police Brutality in history so if i didnt love black men or care about black boys i would have done what i want to remind people that the greatest threat to the health and safety of black women and children are black men if i was on a table i would focus on that so im not doing that what im what we point out is that we have been erased but when it comes to pointing these things out like i said earlier its an embarrassment it is an indictment it feels like and it feels like why are you talking about this and making us look bad because we cant do anything about it and so it gets translated as oh you dont care about black men you dont care. Black boy youre you know youre just youre just want to focus on women well somebody has to focus on the women because i can as a miriam carey was shot in her car with her baby in the back of her me soccer game and i remember when kareem games was killed that everything always he was also me there were blaming her for aids they were bleeding or remember or member when ronnie should ride knocked on the door to get help and the white man children people said why did you go to this party why was she hi like this is these are the responses when Trayvon Martin was killed were killed a boy was actually shot by a Police OfficerTrayvon Martin was killed by a local neighborhood guy and yet it wasnt ricky a boy that started the movement and she was shot by a cop and totally a racist from this thing so when we bring these things up its embarrassing its hurtful and its an indictment and it de censors black men who with it with out our history for civil rights and everything we have held on to this believe that its black men who are going to lead us and were going to take a sense of this Promised Land when really its been the black women who have been doing all the work behind the scenes to sustain communities and sustain movements while being sexually assaulted violated denied respect and honor underpaid exploited were finally at a point were saying no more we are going to employ him by our experience of going to talk about our sisters and if i have to put priscilla its late at sign of Police Custody as my screen name so that you see it every time i tweet thats what im going to do until you care about her as much as you care about race are books and george floyd. Killing there is not like really i unjust going to remind people that several years ago it was about 5 years ago that you came onto the scene and we were talking about say one was the same month the sonship armed was pulled out of her and then her child jake demands what has changed in the c. S. Well you know i think you can see from this. Some of this conversation that the main thing that has changed i think is more people are saying our name more black women in particular are exasperated you know with this trickle down idea around Racial Justice now the reality is d its them and he says just said this is an old idea that we need to just throw our lot behind a patriarchal 5 frame of antiracism and if we dont do that if we insist on putting black women side by side with our sons mothers and brothers and somehow were being the ones that are being divisive not the frame that starts with dividing us and telling us that were on the margins that is going to lead and if you can. Yeah you know this area or not that conversation on the left you know lets just say that i just remembered this kills us you know hes done much for tina thank you so much it is not enough time and i think youre listening never. Like it was so so at the beginning of this let me just dip into one more time t p g 376 s. The fact that so many people on our upset by want you to do a talking about police think you are right i leave it there thanks for watching it with me thanks a senior. John presence and Donald Trump Jr was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton allegation to see christie should sit down did the trump. With russia did you at any time approach former f. B. I. Director james comey in any way shape or form to close or to back down the investigation into Michael Flynn and also as you know. Next question battlefield washington on aljazeera. 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