Oh. You go me. Wrong. Second time in office has been a series of corruption scandals missed missed something. Done i want to give you the right number 6 and im not the most health care in the country especially by saying im going to be one of the big 4 telling us the lottery night restaurants are going to house a ranch that just is me and. My name is john allen im im a kenyan investigative journalist based in nairobi and im the cofounder of afrikaans and said afrikaans on sunday is an investigative and indepth journalism collective our goal is to show africa as it really is the good the bad the ugly the potential. In kenya unfortunately for many years and i think even before donald trump sort of like popularized the phrase freak news the government has been involved in the business. Of lying to it probably. The challenge of being able to find the truth in this country is that everything is politicized in this way our politics has interfered with even the simplest of things i think the 2nd is corruption and corruption starts from the top and many of those corrupt people are sitting at the top of government so that means that the information that youll see it will only be as true as the person who is giving it to you. More as World Press Freedom day is being celebrated in Addis Ababa Ethiopia thats why the world will call gets to morrow for that matter simply International Federation of journalists is imprinted 181914 and this will be for dennis what killed what was the state of media and thats what we interrogate him to do in the program thats what weve called our guest here to how bad its gotten and how dennis navigate in and in a position in a situation where they feel that those in authority or pic in how they transact thats a difficult question to answer especially in this country because were perceived to be the free media in the region but i really think we need to have a more substantive and more long running discussion about whats happening in the counties ok because thats where the people are really at the coalface theyre you know and theyre facing very powerful individuals with impunity and very often threaten the lives of journalists would you recommend more journalists explore independent journalism the path you took a couple of years back for sure journalists are consistently having to deal with what is a government not to do that supposedly the oficial not a tip up on which journalists sometimes you like to be able to tell the public whats going on if that official not to be self cant be trusted then it makes journalists work that much harder. When i was in Mainstream Media a number of things happened from about 2012 on ones my own view that i should go out on my own which is you were in a minute i think and the 1st thing that that did take place was that we became targets. Of the state in terms of trying to suppress the kind of information that we were producing. In 2014 we we produced an investigative report about the 2013 general election and my boss my bosss boss clearly told me dont challenge the president the fact that i as a journalist was told that you can go this far and no further in the company that was supposed to uphold the values of Public Interest that didnt sit well with me and thats where my colleagues and i decided to found Africa Uncensored and step out. 2 years ago i received an email and the person on the other and told me that they had. A very Interesting Data set that would give me an understanding of how corruption really works in Public Finance management and i ready for that the information that this person wanted to give me was indeed true. So the data set we receive sure us that is called up networks in many many places but the police that if we chose to focus our attention on was in the ministry of health because this is one of the president s key pillars for delivery to the public and it seems as if its either been hijacked or it was formulated to steal from this country warning. You guys. All right beauty now on the Wealth Managers who are looking at. People who are no managing this well for seems that seems to be lost on you and the connections to these 263 companies so no joy in terms of impact the leonine a lot of questions our investigation started. On the news that we questioned at the time we didnt think that it was fake news but as weve investigated its become very clear that certain aspects of what the government was seeing regarding the medical Equipment Leasing scheme are indeed feelings. Beauty is ahead of data shes a statistician and shes very very good at looking at data set and trying to extract meaning from that. Security has been doing quite a bit of research looking into people who are we are calling Wealth Managers. Were calling them Wealth Managers because at the time we werent absolutely sure whether these people were conduit for corrupt proceeds all of the deeply but all that helped manage those corrupt networks i give would be would be what of if it would be joy. Is looking at what we impact of what the seeing is on the public so enjoy walt and find many other human stories that youll see in the report. But im not sure what it was i mean i think i would be blunt it would get you know i mean. I think it would look. I mean i would i did i did you know i did not know. That you know. Whether or not that i you cannot you cannot i dont think i mean what. Im looking. Right now im walking on a story that hes focusing on the medical scheme that you know was introduced to the country by our government. Isnt been a bottle about the secret thing because not defaming you why sure how much is being spanked so far. My responsibility to walk on a story that shows public its obvious that you know how king is i mean being for something that theyre not you know benefiting from. At times it is so difficult. Not to get emotionally attached for this particular story i have seen very desperate situations where someone is seeking but they come to bail for one of the little pain killers to be able to at least relieve some of that pain. So how can i guess just. Fine joke to me as us are. Doing the legit. Best. But its not invented when youre playing gears a song me im both so cool going to a big. 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Whether shes on one to find out if shes there and to find out how she gets to engage exactly these Companies Make lets take a step process so the dictates of his opera actually having terms like today is than a big issue for each thought that there is there is an ethical issue with it but why were navigating in this way because we already have the primo rushy every day and its only about us grinding up all the of the going and how we can to do it every color you didnt get the information much as it feels internally on a comfortable that you know youre going to be putting somebody on the sports next week or that that essentially is organizing these rights or you dont want youre looking for the truth and the truth sometimes can be uncomfortable for people to reveal in and we might not like you for it in writing but i can guarantee you this case. I think you will make you for it but when we spend the last couple of months and in doing it is specifically you who has been very fine but what we have been doing is true were going to confirm it with the present was at the center of it but youll be fine here so ok then i will think you have a constable in beginning of the conversation here i just you know just be natural being there fast pay me to. Do such an investigation i feel now have are scared and and im tired in the boat or to me out of it and i also feel. That it is it tonight is what im doing is it. Should they just go in just ask our legal johns they really add theyre pretending like i feel i feel like i just want this thing to finish and move on. What you found out for phrase quite well by way i mean. Billions of money that is unexplained because some of the transactions were seeing are going to kill us that a petition there that will be men and this provision our own country that there must be a government official. Effecting these is transactions. The numbers never lie the biggest challenge is there is 3 month to access that to be 10. Days of course effort to make sure that that data is not accessible to the public. So that whenever there is provide bandied about something then we have something to counter that we have if we did but if you dont really have that information what else can you do tell me you find out even some of the journalist having to be part of the fic news as we know because theres not not access to the truth. Oh. You know being here hey gentlemen is in green and this nice kid. You know. A. Little here so youre like a Company Secretary too Many Companies that if they can i have as many air networks as i inch or you look i was in the you know beating but i suspect that even bush was mother she is very subjective exactly this is a 1st date but we need to think only about what question. Now weve gone from going to possibly zap us an operation from an office in town and that seems to be the person whos done this the next step after this and after making more confirmations will be not to go and give a way to respond say look we have you know look through this detail we have seen images connected 260 i go up and i think if 100 now it in from this next guy was your trouble how bad was that. The bad person. Im upset in how the next step is going to go but we have to get rid of response about what youre writing in our story so definitely when they want to talk not we still have to go back and get her view about all of these facts that we have about her. I wish i knew what was going to happen when we publish my hope is that once they see that they will start to question the government very seriously specifically about something that is as close to the heart of kenyans as health care. For the government itself to be involved in this for something as sensitive or as health care is not only wording it really be fines the times that we live in with regard to war and you know of course truth where anybody especially people with the kind of machinery to push out certain information coming out of millions of people believe in a lie when the truth is far different. Today will play before the island went off boy and i have found myself there thinking about their questions that they wanted to ask end of a confirmations that i wanted to make and i was thinking how how does this go. Which is the best way to get this information from my in an ad in i think you are. What if this becomes legally. Crucifying were to get. People to harass me but if she finds out that i have this information about her so i feel quite gerund and quite unsure of how things will go. I feel like if it came out as african 10000 going to being are these are the bandaid are now allowed and they still him doing these things. So im not sure what people will think if they know such as my brother like me i was part of it. For me to do their story and know that they thought handing back but i dont know and many were made i do know better theyve. Had over. This period i had today. And we were to meet this week. I think i didnt realize that sometimes i put it into something if you dont want to be fabulous i think i forgot to remove it so i. Can image tomorrow i wanted to come with one of my batman being the. No problem so see you tomorrow. Now i think you. Know i. Fit news and the use of false information has become somewhat of a primary pillar of governmental state strategy whenever they want to do something branding things off we can use a very effective to be because as long as you can continually discredit the media the public looks at stories and are like should i really trust this even know journalists i worked hard to try and verify the information. So its the. Journalists who do it was you the truth often get ostracized some journalists when it was even stories that would be in the government in a bad light or would expose them ive been arrested have been the focus of entrapment so seeing that my work and my profession might put me in harms way scares me it does but i think that the key rule of journalism is that we publish those things that people dont want published even if it doesnt mean that we are scared. Because at the moment citizens are the information the choir to lead their lives thats when positive change happens. To go to this one. I came. To that. This is a very really Good Opportunity for me to use my skills for ones for humanity. Trying. To get that through the deaf or number. Grades just that it did give last time i got you right now. For guns and said so yourself any. Project. In the investigation is. I feel the people mentioned in this doing it me me put this together to create enough to punish us because of it because it touches on the feeling as all people involved. In the gun and computer you think. You might not nor the person. Youre doing this story for. About possible for him to do and one be about possible find just to see frankie. For. Citizens out there be expecting to have so many creationists. Says they need somebody to explain to them what is happening out there so what tell them. That one can take in all things nothing like that for the lead to what colors after. Them. I feel it is worth a sacrifice i think one way. 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