0. Let me ask you how worried you are about the increase in hostilities in yemen we listen these is the moment to stop all the 30 action these is the moment to concentrate on fighting we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories the on the edges their own. Fate their welcome to the stream im josh rushing sitting in for me ok today coming to you live from my whole month because of covert 19 in the korean teens up at the dog out the kids are talked to in the betterment my wife is working the camera and lights. Joins the conversation today on you tube and the live chat and well get some of those comments in during the show todays topic is about Police Reform of course that started here in the u. S. But those protests to spread across the world it began when people saw the viral video of a white Police Officer in minneapolis putting his knee on the back of the neck of george floyd for 8 minutes and 46 seconds while george lloyd died. People flooded to the streets to protest that to protest not just that but really Police Brutality across the u. S. And heres how the police chose to respond to those protests. Police drove a vehicle into a crowd of people protesting there and Los Angeles Police when they sense that people who witnesses say was simply standing with the hands of a new york Police Officer caught on camera pushing a woman who was demonstrating an officer pulling a mans face mask off and spraying him with pepper spray it is unsettling image of an officer taking a woman who was maced caught on camera a protester run over by an age now to patrol the protests. Thats how they responded to the accusation of Police Brutality to protest about it i want to take you to my laptop right now and show you because it this is what the protests were actually about and this is Police Violence in communities across the country you can follow this time line. Just see it as its a rolls across the u. S. Go to our 1st guest here simone we you know youre with the Marshall Project where you 1st tell us a little bit about the Marshall Project and then give us a sense of how do we get here the idea initially why i mean this project is we thought lets influence it 2016 and the action at that time is before ferguson people are talking about the Environment Education and the criminal justice was not. So we launched a couple months after ferguson and i am a Police Reporter the national Law Enforcement. So ive been busy for the last 6 years and what we try to do at the Marshall Project i have not done it many of us are attorneys a lot of us degrees as well journalism so the mindset of lets look at data lets do deep dives us look at history so were no different than sort of the daily newspaper you lou. Yeah we love the Marshall Project. Before to talk about is called American Sheriff it was. The work you guys do is as vital. A quick historical walkthrough as to how we got ourselves in this mob. So i will try to sum up the 25200 years of Law Enforcement in this country really quickly so i always like to start out that remember america as a place steps different depending on what state youre in so as to so the history of policing we should look at it 1st in the south and then once again its in the northern cities like boston so really quickly in the south we do have a legacy obviously of slave patrols and i would say about the legions of these u. N. Dancers white man going around attacking black americans who were escaping for their free and even slavery was over and i think that in your quotes. You had the 1st band of the federal government coming in and saying hey you cannot allow sort of local Law Enforcement to continue to abuse black americans and i really dont know this but lost it a lot of because the color of law statute in federal case law looking at prosecuting bad cops actually ties back to 6 which is when the federal government asked a lot to say hey you cannot abuse your power just seeing how they are acting in the needs of Law Enforcement so thats just out the Natural History and thats one of the nerds the 1st Police Department in this country minnesota Police Department actually boston i believe theyre on the late 1930 s. And thats modeled after a lot was going on so you have to sort of the idea that can Police Departments and again im talking more about history of an os in new york city and the souths own different history can we have Big Government policing can we go around and do crime control and police neighborhoods interact with the community and sell well i. Really interesting as time went on that the great migration americans. In your city now dick losing to right i get disproportionally oh yeah please its impacting communities of color but its very interesting to look at the history because boston new york started its Police Department more like were becoming an industrialized city thats how Police Department 1000000000. 00 and south had its own but its more or less worn out of slave patrols and look at it no matter what do you mean. Think portlandia own brass most likely just who he sounds most likely in fact. I want to bring up the cover of the new yorker right now i think its called say their names its a drawing of george floyd let me have it here check this out this this talks about the history so you start down at the bottom of it then you basically see the images of slavery to include the use of course all of it was abuse through the jim crow era to school from the bottom up with the lynching and then right in the middle there you see rodney king that where the cop the cops are around him hes on the ground vehicles in the background thats from the rodney king video and then of course to air rising air kerner and all the way at the top of course is george floyd i mean just in recent history since the Civil Rights Act you have watson what 65 and 66 that was about fleece for television you had l. A. In 92. 00 that was about Police Brutality you have ferguson Police Brutality and now you have the george floyd protest song id like to bring you in at this point former Police Officer chief of police in greenville North Carolina has that right can you introduce yourself and tell us what youre doing now and then at the pro. Yes my name is hans and. Retired police chief my servant to departments alexander virginia. Retired from there and then was appointed chief in greenville. My move to greenville was as a result of that department needing to be reformed. Thorough you can absolutely the inside out. What i do now is work on several consumptive currys on the federal monitor in cleveland i oversee the reform around you know the highest profile was a time your rice case i also serve as a deputy monitor in baltimore overseeing in various aspects of the reforms as a result of the. Murder and i work on reform all around the country ive worked on walter Scott Charleston to mark mark minneapolis for the great internal ice. So when you watch the georgia floor video what with thoughts with the your head. I was speechless horrified. And as you watch the Police Response to the protest like what do you think it is a cop that theyre just proving the point. I mean i had an emotional reaction to just a few that you showed but there are hundreds more. Just examples of basically policing on hinged on controlled even in departments that i know have good leadership. Their officers you know at the at the at the street level in those environments last why i mean i think a lot of it goes down to. And be. Many different frustrations but really the conduct those that the assaultive conduct is a result of a lot of accountability or perceived lack of accountability where theyre just lashing out and doing things that. You know the world saw what happened as a result and it really. Highlights the need for i dont think that its you know either reform fonda or dismantle i think its all 3 all 3 things need to happen we have over 18000 Police Departments in the United States and its completely decentralized there under the control of municipalities where states and all have different policies there is no way to you know its a battleship cant turn it doesnt turn quickly its not you know. Its going to turn slowly some departments need to be abolished. Some departments need to be reformed many departments need to be reformed and i think policing in general we need to look at defunding seriously i dont like the term deformed and i like to call it Something Like reimagining the policing model and the actual model what those policing used to be today in 2020 you know not based on what simone talked about the history of policing was we know that well its you know the notion of context of policing is founded on something horrible and thats continued all these years we need to just raise that and start all over. Theres seems to be there appears to be the sense that cops often believe theyre kind of above the law or at least the act in a way as if theyre above the law and own fault lines we were curious about that culture we started to investigate it a colleague of mine did interview with the head of the Chicago Police union and a little surprised by his answer check it out here do you think theres a code of silence in the department theres a court of silence everywhere everybody has it when we have people in the clergy that are sexually assaulting young kids or people in seminaries and others know about it they just transfer them record silence there is there there is just one doesnt make it right that makes the very moment boyd to you so why would this profession be any different but something that needs to change in your opinion i dont think anybodys in this day and age anybody that does anything that jeopardizes the livelihood of their job for their family to stand up for somebody that they know is doing something they shouldnt be doing is really a couple things to take out of there about the culture one is using pedophile priest to justify a code of silence within the police ranks and hes the head of the union in chicago and then the 2nd thing is at the end as he says anyone who stands up to do the right thing at the real expense with their silly how in the world can you live your life as a cop and have that kind of attitude. Its absolutely mind boggling and hes not the only one i mean there are we do union leadership. In minneapolis. Came out said some ridiculous things. You know unions. Are necessary to protect. You know the rights of certain. Officers. But i think that they have you know the pendulum has swung entirely over when were hearing things like Police Officers fundamentally dont want to hear about. Is the earth and blue line i believe that it exists in a lot of places but there are programs that are being implemented in some major cities like epic and new orleans. Stands for ethical policing is courageous and essentially what it is it is a and it minneapolis at it. You know with the george floyd case george floyd case would not have occurred epic basically trains officers to intervene when they see other officers doing things that are illegal wrongs overcharging people whatever the case may be and it gives basically when youre trained an epic you wear a pair and youre giving other officers consent to intervene on your behalf if you start behaving in a certain way and the intervention annoyed videos of 3 officers that help people back could have intervened right absolutely absolutely and should houser nomen the protest as as the people in the streets were looking at the police in their millions and millions of dollars worth of military equipment and then being attacked by them i think it it you know occurred to some people maybe for the 1st time that oh yeah were paying for that were paying for them were paying for all that equipment and we need to stop and so the chance became defund the police now this isnt a new movement and over the last week or so this has been kind of debated a new wants is a bit so i want to bring in raina braina can you give us a little bit of your background where you are today and lets talk about what do people mean when they say abolish police deep on the police or Police Reform i think the devils in the details here. Absolutely and so my name is ray nussle khan and i am a journalist and aboriginal organized there and i am one of. Insight which i formed with some other abolitionists organizers and the reason we were. There had been a different campaign. And that i campaigned 0 and the point of that was to introduce reforms that they claimed would reduce the need for ireland and murder by 72 percent for us to have any 2 percent less Police Murders is not enough we have an opportunity here to make 100 percent in our Police Matters and that is through aberystwyth your form or there are 2 average. Earning and other abolitionists are grounded in theory about a decade. Are people like angela davis Ruthie Wilson gilmore merriam cobb abolition is not new and i. Will have and. We just came up with abolition today but in theory its actually something that mostly black women unfenced have actually been working through and thinking through for decades and decades and so for me undine is just a way for us to get closer to a full abolition so that its taking away as much money from Police Departments as fast as possible so that we can really negate the effect that they have especially on communities of color the less Police Presence the less violence. Let me throw this at you this is from our you tube community from someone named i believe it might be pronounced and this is police is one of the bastions of Society Without it are Brutal Society would fall apart and its balance would go haywire. Sure i think that this is something that a lot of people believe but the thing is that we havent all of its. Life was pointed out earlier there are some that were or not out of holes and in boston out of the needs private property and thats how its remained sure 200 years they are protecting private property and they are hurting black and brown communities and i think that we really need to be imaginative to think about a world in which we can respond to harm in ways that dont include creating more hard and not whatever with the ones. And what we really dont talk about a lot is that these are often people who are causing this harm theyre not only murdering people as weve seen theyre not only attacking protesters as weve seen but the 2nd most the 2nd largest complaint against police is actually Sexual Violence so were actually seeing that there are so many people who are survivors of Sexual Violence. And abolishing then is one step towards making sure that Sexual Violence isnt something that is commonplace. So rooted in a system of capitalism or inequality as a built in part of the system but many people see police as the gatekeepers for that kind of inequality can you connect capitalism to policing the police and how that would work within a capitalist society absolutely. For scale abolition we would need to be. Well and i know that that is very scary for a lot of american and. I wasnt going to have an hour yesterday with and or david that apple isnt really. Justice in this society and we wouldnt get to. But myself and other outward you know understand that it isnt something the for him to happen overnight and so there are abolitionist reforms that we can implement today. And those do not necessarily require the dismantling of capitalism that we should be aspiring to and so that is the abolition all of those demands are things that could happen tomorrow and theyre all. With municipal districts as well as city councillors areas because as well. As it was said earlier i think that a lot of these a Police Departments are municipal so its not something that at the federal level changes but we can make small incremental changes on the municipal level and thats what its abolition was really calling for favorite working people go in find those 8 recommendations. Sure its on 8 to abolition dot com and its all right there we have the other versions were working on translating it into 20 different languages as well and i think theres an a. S. L. Version on you tube now i want to bring in a sot a sound bite from someone in our community here raven connex Police Violence to racism lets check it out. 1st so many of our communities violent comes at the hands of police 1000 people are killed by Police Every Year black people are 3 times as likely to be killed as white people 50 percent of People Killed by police are people with disabilities and Sexual Assault the 2nd most common form of Police Brutality not to mention that 40 percent up to 41st senator Police Officers are domestic abusers a so already our communities are not turning to the police for safety we turn to our own community. Simone why is that what why why is Police Violence disproportionately affecting black people. I want to one of my big thing i have to talk about is who are the cops and who are they hiring who are these people and ive done stories looking at various recruitment so do we think and have graduate degrees backgrounds when they went to college in social or learning languages. Fine most big city your cartmans dont even have a car require it when they institute a college requirement. Which is just a 2 year minimum. If found it was hard to recruit so the 1st issue i have is we look at the power of policing in this country its more or less a blue collar profession and more last appeal to those with the military background something ive written about looking at about one of people who work at least in say they have served in the u. S. Armed forces so we did a story believe it or not no one really looked at this from an academic know what is the impact. And then becoming a Police Officer and what we found is not really surprising right if you see combat when you go mark in a big city as a cop can in a community of color youre going to rack up use of force complaints so my big frustration about writing about pleasing for so law is this problem if we just professionalized this stuff and its really our profession as a staff i went to a graduate School Criminology and none of my classmates want to go on and become a local Police Officer most went to work as a federal agent or prosecutor or in academia for those of us in white collar professions being a local cop or something. Who. I want to talk about the defunding of the police that im going to pour between here this is actually for congresswoman rashida to leave because looking at the detroit budget. It appears on here that almost looks like 300000000. 00 a year for the police which is far more than Everything Else combined but if you really kind of zoom in i mean its in the Single Digits what they spend on health or here is housing at 12000000. 00 compared to 300. 00 for policing what why are police giving so much of the budgets in the city it what should be done about that. I think if you drill down in most ways budgets youll see the 80 to 90 percent of our personnel costs but in a budget like that where you have 300000000 the remainder is still a large large chunk of public funds and i think that in terms of defunding the police. We really need to be looking at what is the expectation of Law Enforcement in our communities you know over time the police become. You know social workers all of these different roles that. Were not part of their core mission crisis intervention teams and im not saying that these arent necessary because they do need to be able to recognize someone in crisis but i think that defunding the police in certain areas is appropriate and create teams that are professional that can come in and do the work but the thing is though if you define certain aspects of policing you have to take away that responsibility as well and create a professional godrej of people that can help with the homeless that can respond in cases where someone is undergoing. A Mental Health crisis or someone isnt some other type of crisis so i think you know given very careful thought about how to deconstruct certain parts of policing and move that money over into a more appropriate. Set of folks that can do that work i think that is absolutely something the cities are going to be looking. You know you look at all that money being spent on police and you can imagine it being spent on education on libraries on parks and on schools where youre imagining just isnt Defunding Police but its rebuilding a completely Different Society and it makes me think of the Frederick Douglass quo that its easier to build strong children than it is to repair broken men. This right now seems to be a chance for america to reconsider not just the police but the entire system from the ground up thank you so much for joining me in my home for this edition of the stream and r. T. Look forward to seeing you next time. They say to me only know someone you must walk a mile in their shoes follow in their footsteps as they forge their way in the water. Shed snow journeys. Inspiring stories of people disappearing on their chosen path. Weakness documentaries. They call them see. Property subdivided into small where one or more families live together. Only option for many haitians. 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