Been forced to take a back seat will the president ial candidates ever hit the road and so very brand of politics to americans before the vote follow the u. S. Election on a jazzier. I am fairly ok with looking into the stream at a time when india is crapping that the corner virus pandemic or solve the economic fallout from lockdowns many are wondering why only in Jammu And Kashmir a Union Territory there is a new york that is creating a lot of controversy you know is the law and we will be talking about that today if you ask kashmiris they will have very strong opinions on this law if you are already in our chat would love to hear from you i need to can be in this conversation in the street. I went to the guess they will introduce themselves to you and me as a sign of its great to have you here on the stream tell our audience who you are. Thank you for having me as i say big on a question you know are great to have here mona welcome to the stream please tell everybody who you are thank you my name is more not one associate professor of anthropology at syracuse university. Our contract conversation and safwat introduce just south to our International Audience. I get a letter on my name a software their grandma john just recently noted some instead of being in a store question yet. This conversation has generated stuff not online conversation im going to go straight to your software and put this point that many in the ass here she says doctors we have no mas p. P. Es hospital beds and equipped stuff and thanks i just did it with kavik 19 reaction here take this new donna sound nor the chain to move and cast me at safwan its when this became your. What was the reaction actually did was no reaction basically the idea was to introduce this like a diamond over the spender me and there was a log on in the valley which is a snare it comes computed a dozen in states so the actually do idea was to negate any kind of possibility of any protest to this decision and if we see the need in a number of has been going ahead with all the exists a then all decisions and all those laws. They have not actually the softballs for sometimes will disappear should be there should be a debate or discussion with the people it is just a year in their dualism meeting which has been happening since august 5 and actually the kashmiris feel that the idea was to introduce this law in at a particular point of time so that ignoto there is no reaction and the same day in question is also more dead dead at the end of the serious years of decisions a check going to come in the coming weeks i may be months so that the end of project end decepticons and project. Decision it to resolve is put in place and that is the ground situation but we have this time. Just looking as a mad lines here from outlook and recurring a virus lock down government comes up with a domicile or the Jammu And Kashmir or more headline here i want to share this with you this is the reasoning behind it coming from new delhi the new j. K. Domicile rules will give a quality and dignity till. Mrs sonny of can you explain very simply what is in this law what difference will it make if you live in jane county actually if you live outside of jane thank you. Thank you 1st of all it a new class of citizens who will be eligible for domicile certificates which is now been made mandatory for admissions in schools and found Climate Opportunities in german kashmir so theyve created a few classes such as people in indian citizens who are as i didnt do in kashmir for peter 15 years become eligible people who have studied in germany for 7 years there and people whose parents have served in government in german kashmir for 10 years so the biggest fear in kashmir right now is that this is going to cause a demographic change but what i want to point out to here is that the demographic change is not going to take place it has already taken place what is happening right now is just a digital legitimization or what is all lead the fact to the 2011 census and build in mind that this is not the 9 years of already passed since the census according to that there are between 1. 5 to 1700000 non cautionary my complete prose will lived in kashmir already for 15 years now that is roughly 15 percent of the total population of germany there will now get too hort english news look at elections and saw lots of the new domiciles were acquired incredible political power and there will be a silence. So these are the ones who are fast tracked procedure yes im just going to stretch he she supersede right now celebrity thank you for being in this conversation celebes says there is no controversy this aggressive scheme is slanted changing demographics of the muslim majority country of im going to use the lets say that is occupied j. And. Mona pickup on the. Right i think there is no control or say i think its as clear as it has a get we have to understand that whats happening in recent changes and im a cylon. Sufferer. Just explain its part of a Long Term Strategy head of the r. S. S. Which is the the parent unit the motherboard if you will of the b. G. P. The ruling party. Is the leader so this is an ongoing ideological crusade of the r. S. S. To redefine me or as a hindu cut a tree one thing we have to keep in mind is exactly that and so that is a larger rationale thats a larger logic that shapes Everything Else the technicalities the modalities the legalities of what india is trying to do in kashmir right now having said that i do want to make a think one thing very clear for our International Audiences might not necessarily know that there is of course when this image of india as a democracy because treaties of course this was never a democracy it was all as an occupying power right from 47 when the instrument of accession a very controversial instrument of accession was science of course by the hindu maharajah of the state for a predominantly muslim majority whose voices were not taken and into account even to slacken the right so this is an ongoing onslaught on our. Sense of being an identity what whats been happening since august 5th i would argue is of course as a lot of people argued the beginning of the darkest days are in question is history but also are a continuation rate of institutions and policies are in slaving. Under the in the majority rule. Money can i ask you this question comes from what i saw as it is on a twitter worse wonders out aloud how does such an undemocratic education come into effect in the Worlds Largest democracy the indian identity should be questioned every time it calls itself democratic money that is what you were saying how was dismissible. And mr science can you weigh in here because you are the legal scholar how possible. First of all taking off from. Using the domicile right now theyre being adams stood by and an electric administration because we had no elected government for nearly 2 years now but its important to point out that even if this was done by elected or issues in question here it would still not be truly democratic because of the nature of elections in kashmir if we do not have a truly independent Election Commission so elections conducted will not to be free and fair because any representation of the popular political will is criminalized as a result of this most recently is boycott of actions so either it would not have been a democratic exercise but if it were done by an elected government it might have still detained some figure before democracy at least on people and in the case of indian democracy has always been procedural in nature its not a democracy in practice because there are elections in name there are people who get who represent people but the popular sentiment of the people never gets a presentation. These elections are just pretty the democracy is just to see the image of him just being i want to not miss it for a time i am skewed towards a similar comments and i come right batty mona will be missed the rest she hear and shes very critical of this domicile nor this is what she told us a little earlier. And you got to be among. The 1st question we asked you why the. Consequence of. Us fund. Shouldnt matter and we are we have not only us in the band and it would make things better but i do the under the government is anything im sent against its not. Right so no i mean absolutely the fact that its happening in your in conditions of a militarized its a military log on purpose made is it so something to be said also to a tour of perhaps flesh this out for audiences who might not be aware at home i think of the school in 1000 lockdown in kashmir is. Something thats very similar to whats happening in other cases we have to recognize that this really is how ben experiencing prolonged militarize logged on for the last 3040 years now so whats happening now is. Just think of it as one lockdown superimposed over another pretty much however why this works and this is so we have to we have to understand the golan down the cole in 1000. 00 locked down in kashmir is not a Public Health not not pious and in the interest of securing Public Health not that it was done so in the indian context either but in the context the company inert the situation is even worse sin because of the idea is not to maintain how it is to essentially penalize people to punish them to render them homeless and that humor im not i mean i i we know that and just so the International Audience who hear this the of the ruling party b j p will push back on that say that was only a medical necessity for those lockdowns but you have to remember in the context of k n j well jane kay had already been security lockdown so if you look down or not down let me just bring you back in stuff what i really want to hear whats happening down on the ground is you are right there in srinagar mini cooper says here on you tube that almost every citizen of kashmir equal rights and hes a very different perspective so what do you seeing in terms of how much this will working right now. I mean its certainly driving doings and sickly people are afraid that there will be a live and by an inflow of. Students who will be sort of empowered to be stevens of the majority join question reid and dick cheney know that the idea is to invisible most sunni muslims and which will actually change the nature of the media dispute which isnt a good news to dispute the fulton it initiates so said israel and dead experiencing this at a time when they have been sort of the having coming from a long shot down since august and now this under the law and also question you have been shut literally for more than a year now and only and a year now and it is no internet and theres a Civil Liberties you cannot hold protests i mean disturbed d people are still locked up and then this is sort of seen in the context of what is happening with the muslims in india i mean all of that is getting i just heard had and people actually preparing for something which they havent seen because it is going to be an onslaught not far from the military only from the from the 4 people i mean who are being sort of incentivized to be part of and of these residents of this disputed territory. I have to guess as we were getting ready for this program we wanted to hear of a silvios from kashmiris incredibly critical for this program we also didnt cool enough would be thinking to move into these uniontown a cheese was the mindset this is how we actually asked the question and that question then became news have a look here on my twitter feed here are you an indian planning to move to Jammu And Kashmir onto the. Laws what is behind your decision to send your thoughts for this actual conversation with who would do that she would move if that says to me people dont just plan to move today but it is a plan to move people the head which is what youve been telling me and then of course then aljazeera is making headlines that even asking who would possibly want to move into an audience that still conflicts area that theyre still have 2 g. Internet if youre lucky mr science can explain who would be the who would go with climate yes for before i get to that i think in light of this tweet that you just pointed out i must say that theres a subtle casualness of language but because of which the pushback is been the critical comments because to the common question it is because of this kindness of anger and. Yes because you see the dollar sign on notification is not a benign exercise for tourism what christians are living through is not moment exploit merely accidental its a consciously engineered onslaught on our right to life and equality and dignity and it is forcibly internetting a demographic change that strips medias of the rights that we have on fossils after decades of struggle against feudalism saw this when the language is freed in a recal jewelry which makes the success seem benign it is definitely going to offend. So thats why the criticism thats the reason that there was no response to a question. I mean this i can i am just look at i could come back here come back its my laptop because we have knowledge on the street thank you very much fifi you our audience helping us with in terms of this is how you actually frame the conversation the language is very important 186 responses to that we thank you for helping us make sure that we get the story right mouna what you want to say go ahead. And tell abdo to add to couple of things to our tumors as point i actually think its not even benign language or end result its language thats dressed up in a humanitarian its its meant to ensure equity and and rights to people who for example were deprived of those rights to land or rights of Property Rights education so for example when india makes this claim it is to foreground you know the rights of west farthest on the refugees most of them from lower socioeconomic classes and lower castes who migrated from the region of pakistan into me tonight in 47 now that when you know when india dresses up it said local colonial intentions in this humanitarian garb that is still mirrors as pointed out it offers gates the agendas even more especially for an audience that does not recognize they are the sole intent and that the recognize that the sole intent of the b. G. P. Is to. Change the Character Arcs the only muslim majority state and of disappeared in an occupied restriction. Mr mark then i am going to agree with you. There can be no both sides to such a story because when the rate of evidence points incontrovertibly in one direction but science cannot be treated with equal right you are impartial journalism is commendable but in situations like this metaphor is now an insult to those who look at this word in the me me as i gem president as any such thing as impartial journalism even must try and get as many perspectives as possible for the audience to to make that decision as well thank you for helping us with that im going to show our audience something here this is a story that we ran with last november there was anger over indians diplomat calling for the israel model in kashmir why he was doing was he was in the United States and he was talking about. Jammu and kashmir and how we get kashmiri hindus to get to go to that Union Territory and the language he was using was the language that the many people who are his speech his manners are why did about that somehow people going to come in from outside of the region and change the culture the nature of the region and they call it a settler mentality and here we have this indian diplomat absolutely saying that out loud this comment and 5 lets have a look. Because we already have oh no where we were not the way to follow does out in the middle east and you have to look at theres a veritable derby on our finale and i think. Ringback i am in the Security Commission to germany hash need of improvement will out there destroying the iranian afternoon limit of 00. So would be remiss of me for i didnt say following that can sure of a see the sandy chapter 14 says i have seen some social media comments on my recent remarks i remark being taken out of context assaf what lets give some more context here the reason why the drama south is so problematic for kashmiris and why im think about the impact on jobs on the environment on what is happening to. Us who are already struggling can you talk to me about it. Yeah i mean its a bit basically a simple observation because media has has no private sector caucusing and the government is actually the biggest employer so in terms of employment it is an issue but at the same time when youre sort of giving states and shipped to an unrealistic and should people who can see who have stayed here for something of value then you actually cutting the proportion of jobs for the local communities and which basically are in symbol of an economically and secondly even if its talk about land settlement of the land it has on you 30 percent off i mean land inevitable that people can stay and is already land crunch so its dissin as a sexually necessarily who are into the i mean economic ecology destruction and it would be impact on that moment then question if you feel that and in the same time you have to look at the land amount of land occupied by Indian Paramilitary forces in kashmir i mean it is dead in like 6 like an ounce of land under their control and we have seen recently that in the not. Just to grab scene army showing notices to the government saying that we want to purchase that i mean that happens for the 1st time in the history that i mean actually saying that they want to understand otherwise they have as a temporary arrangement and i think it is going to set of a chain of reaction in a sense that if because it is being stored somewhere. That some of them to become a patent and eventually that land is going to become much lake how is it i lead Defense Forces on land in palestinian i did it raise. I want to bring in and im not at i mean i know here and i just want you mono if you would just bounce of the back of him because theres a very different feeling when youre outside of general in kashmir as to when youre in the rest of india so i mean here is in new delhi this is what he told us its a listen we have an obligation policy monday and there was an article for the 17th of the fight again because we believe there was discriminated in a system in the uk we believe the people of india have him already understood of dont wish we on the jobs that are being often dont win because we dont the land and dont want to shoot we have an obligation always to money 1. 00 law or one cause dushan one nation. We same response no no. Yeah i mean so is evan its sort of ironic that because if you look at the our history of article 370. 00 and when and how it was instituted it was a movement started by a coffee of pundits. And you make minority in kashmir and at the time the slogan that was used to sniff pundits was push me and focus mean it. And down with outsiders and so on and so forth and you know the sort of evolution or start slogan that only focus me it is up to you know it is for outsiders now we have to understand the aleutian of that of that movement within the context of what pundits of course recognise as an exit this or a departure from the rally in 1990 i have to say i mean this is such a complex topic but i dont want to make a weak sort of intervention here still held me abundance also recognize their own history in initiating these these laws when it benefited them over time whats of course how going is because muslims are in a majority in the stand and rightfully you know the jobs and you know Land Holdings etc should rightfully belong to the majority thats not that are not sick well with the Minority Community that was the prevalence in these sort of const in the structures of the state and so now of course its something that is not a convenient you know the constitutional remnant to hang onto and and therefore at this response i do want to say it because we kind of got distracted from that earlier in the film earlier you took that that you saw it in no its done to my. Whats whats happening is what organisations i do to me i think what the. Narrative that theyve been pandering is that what we seem to mean is a clash of civilizations right its a slumming civilization that has for some reason over the years you know and highlighted that he the civilization kashmir rightfully belongs to hindu and his homeland so to speak on him alias are being retrained as the last frontier of hindu the politics now i want to argue enough or argue this enough that this is precisely the logic right that shapes every intervention of the beauty of since august 5th it is essential to exterminate muslims are from me and its not just a demographic exercise its much beyond that its a way more dangerous exercise and i think you have to come to terms of that and recognise it and name it for what it is. If i can imagine one going on here i am we are at the end of the program there are no more planes about it in this particular section what is interesting on you cheap people are actually asking why is the International Community not doing more about what is happening in kashmir its a story that we continue to go back to and we will continue to do so and is a sign of monas southwell thank you so much for being on the stream its a good point me to look at my laptop here it is always small to discuss on the strange every day sunday through wednesday at 1630 g. M. T. We always have an instagram night chat takes is behind each episode and you may even try its one of the guests with one episode so we can talk to them a little bit more into the next time and so much everybody. Frank assessments tourism but they come straight ahead in the world. Whats been the result. And indepth analysis of the days global headlines inside story on al jazeera. Sure. And inspiration. 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