I have only ok will come to the stream at a time when india is grappling with the code in a virus pandemic or solve the economic fallout from lockdowns many are wondering why only in Jammu And Kashmir the Union Territory there was a new york that is creating a lot of controversy you know is the law and we will be talking about that today if you ask kashmiris they will have very strong opinions on this law if you are already in our chat would love to hear from you i need to can be in this conversation in the street. I was just to the guess they will introduce themselves to you and me as a sign yes its great to have you here on the stream tell our audience who you are. Thank you for having me here and as i say big question it or great to have you mona welcome to the stream please tell everybody who you are thank you my name is more nagan an associate professor of anthropology at Syracuse University welcome back conversation and safwat introduce just south to our International Audience. I guess a watcher of my name a software their grandma john just recently noted some instead of in a store question yet. So this conversation has to mideast so not online conversation im going to go straight to your cheapie at safwan and put this point that many in the ass here she says doctors we have no mosque people ease hospital beds equipped stuff and thinks i just did it with kavik 19 reaction here take this new dumb a sound or the j. And a to middle and cast me at safwan its when this became your. What was the reaction actually did was no reaction basically the idea was to introduce this like a diamond over the spender me and it was along down in the valley which is a snare it comes computed a dozen in states so the actually do idea was to negate any kind of possibility of any protest to this decision and if you see the need in your number it has been going ahead with all the exists a then all decisions and all those laws. They have not actually softballs for sometimes will disappear should be there should be a debate or discussion with the people it is just a year in their dualism meeting which has been happening since our last fight and actually the kashmiris feel that the idea was to introduce this law in at a particular point of time so that ignoto there is no reaction and the same day in question is also more dead dead at the end of the seriousness of decisions which act going to come in the coming weeks i may be months so that the end project and decepticons and project. Decision it to resolve is put in place and that is the ground situation but we have this time. Just looking at some headlines here from outlook me coronavirus lock down government comes up with a domicile or the Jammu And Kashmir or more headline here i want to share this with you this is the reasoning behind it coming from new delhi the new j. K. Domicile whose will give a quality and dignity to all. Mrs any of can you explain very simply what is in this what difference will it make if you live in jane county actually if you live outside of jane thank you. Thank you 1st of all these rules create a new class of citizens who will be eligible for domicile certificates which has now been made mandatory for admissions in schools and found Climate Opportunities in germany so theyve created a few classes such as people in indian citizens who are as i didnt do in kashmir for a peer of 15 years become eligible people who have studied in germany for 7 years there and people whose parents have served in a government in german kashmir for 10 years yet its so the biggest fear in kashmir right now is that this is going to cause a demographic change but what i want to point out over here is that the demographic change is not going to take place it has already taken place what is happening right now is just a digital legitimization or what is all lead defect to the 2011 census and build in mind that this is not one years of already passed since the census according to that there are between 1. 5 to 1700000 known cautionary my complete prose lived in kashmir already for 15 years now that is roughly 15 percent of the total population of germany there will now get too hort in question is look at elections and soul lots of the new domiciles were acquired incredible political power and there will be a eligible for downsides. So these are the ones our fast track procedure yes im just going to stretch he she has sympathy right now sell of a thank you for being in this conversation celebes says there is no controversy this aggressive scheme is slanted changing demographics of the muslim majority country of im going to use the lets say that celebrities occupied jay and. Mona pick up on the. Right i think there is no control or say i think its as clear as it gets we have to understand that whats happening with recent changes in domicile lawyers. Just explained its part of a Long Term Strategy head of the r. S. S. Which is the the parent unit the motherboard if you will of the b. G. P. The ruling party of which more this. Is the leader so this is an ongoing ideological crusade of the r. S. S. To redefine me or as a hindu cut a tree one thing we have to keep in mind is exactly that and so that is a larger rationale thats a larger logic that shapes Everything Else the technicalities the mentality is the legalities of what india is trying to do in kashmir right now having said that i do want to make a think one thing very clear for our International Audiences who might not necessarily know that there is of course when this image of india as a democracy because treaties of course this india was never a democracy it was always an occupying power right from 47 when the instrument of accession a very controversial instrument of accession was science of course by the hindu maharajah of the state for a predominantly muslim majority whose voices were not taken into into account even to slacken the right so this is an ongoing onslaught on our. Sense of being an identity what whats been happening since august 5th i would argue is of course as a lot of people argued the beginning of the darkest days are in question is history but also are a continuation rate of institutions and policies are in slaving. Under the in the majority rule. Money can i ask you this question comes from morris who as it is on a twitter worse wonders out aloud how does such an undemocratic education come into effect in the Worlds Largest democracy the indian identity should be questioned every time it calls itself democratic money that is what you were saying how was dismissible. There mr science can you weigh in here because you are the legal scholar how possible were just a for taking off from. Using the domicile rules right now theyre being adams stood by and an electric administration because we had no government for nearly 2 years now but its important to point out that even if this was done by elected or issues in question here it would still not be truly democratic because of the nature of elections in kashmir if we do not have a truly independent Election Commission so elections conducted will not to be free and fair because any representation of the popular political will is criminalized as a result of this most recently is boycott of actions so either it would not have been a democratic exercise but if it were done by an elected government it might have still detained some figure before democracy at least on people and in the case of indian democracy has always been procedural in nature its not a democracy in fact because there are elections in name there are people who get who represent people but the popular sentiment of the people never gets a percentage. These elections are just pretty the democracy is just to see the image of. Interesting and i want to not miss it for a time i am skewed towards a similar comments and i come right back to mona will be missed the rest she hears and shes very critical of this domicile nor this is what she told us a little earlier. Recently. And you got to be among. The 1st question we asked you why the. Consequence of. Us. Shouldnt maddeningly our way have not only us in the band and it would make things better but i do the. Government is anything im sent against its not. Right so no i mean absolutely the fact that its happening in here in conditions of a militarized its a military slug on purpose made is it so something to be said also to a tour of perhaps flesh this out for audiences who might not be aware at home i think of the school in 1000 lockdown in kashmir is. Something thats very similar to whats happening in other cases we have to recognize that this really is how ben experiencing prolonged militarize logged on for the last 3040 years now so whats happening now is. Just think of it as one lockdown superimposed over another pretty much over what us where its at this. So we have to we have to understand are the golan down the cole in 1000. 00 locked down in kashmir is not a Public Health not not in the interest of securing Public Health not that it was done so in the indian context either but in the context the company inert the situation is even worse in because of the idea is not to maintain how it is to essentially penalize people to punish them to render them homeless and that humor i mean i have i know i i we know that and i just said our International Audience who hear this the of the ruling party b j p will push back on that say that was only a medical necessity for those lockdowns but you have to remember in the context of k n j well jane kay had already been security lockdown so if you look down or not down let me just bring you back in so what i really want to hear whats happening down on the ground is you are right there in srinagar mini cooper saying yes here on you tube they dont want to give every citizen of kashmir equal rights to how many different perspective so what are you seeing in terms of how is this law working right now. I mean its certainly driving dengs n. T. V. Sickleave people are afraid that there will be all of a inflow of non drinking students who will be sort of empowered to be states and of the majority german can read and they actually know that the idea is to invisible most sunni muslims and which will actually change the nature of the media dispute which isnt a good news to dispute the fulton it initiates so fair israel and debt experiencing this at a time then they have been sort of the having coming from a long shot down since august and now this one of the lot and also caution you have been shut literally for more than a year now i dont see any year now and it is no internet and. Civil liberties you cannot hold protests i mean disturbed d people are still locked up and then this is sort of seen in the context of what is happening with the muslims in india i mean all of that is getting i just heard had an evil actually preparing for something which they havent seen now because it is going to be an onslaught not far from the military only from that from the 4 people i mean who are being sort of incentivized to be part of and of media residents of this disputed territory. I have to guess is milk getting ready for this program we wanted to hear of a sylvias from kashmiri incredibly critical for this program we also didnt cool enough would be thinking to move into these uniontown of cheese was the mindset this is how we actually asked the question and that question then became news have a look here on my twitter feed here are you an indian planning to move to Jammu And Kashmir onto the. Laws what is behind your decision to send your thoughts for this actual conversation we wish to know who would do that she would move if that says to me people dont just plan to move that but it is upside down to move people the head which is what youve been telling me and then of course then aljazeera is making headlines that actually even asking who would possibly want to move internet in the still conflicts area that the still have 2 g. Internet if youre lucky mr science can explain who would be the who would go with climate yes for before i get to that i think in light of this tweet that has pointed out i must say that theres a subtle casualness of language but because of which the pushback is been the critical comments because critical comments in proceedings because of the kindness of anger and. Yes because you see the dollar sign on notification is not a benign exercise for tourism what christians are living through is not moment export merely accidental its a consciously engineered onslaught on our right to life and equality and dignity and it is forcibly internetting a demographic change that strips bush medias of the rights that we have on fossils after decades of struggle against feudalism saw this when the language is freed in a recount which makes the success seem benign it is definitely going to offend. So thats why the criticism thats the reason that there was no response to a question. I mean this i can i am just looking at i could come back here come back its my laptop because we have knowledge on the street thank you very much fifi you our audience helping us with in terms of this is how you actually frame the conversation the language is very important 186 responses to that we here thank you for helping us make sure that we get the story right move what you want to say go ahead and tell abdo to add to couple of things to our tumors as point i actually think its not even benign language or end result its language thats dressed up in a humanitarian its its meant to ensure equity and and rights to people who for example were deprived of those rights to land or rights of Property Rights education so for example when india makes this claim it is to foreground you know the rights of west farthest on the refugees most of them from lower socioeconomic classes and lower castes who migrated from the region of pakistan into me tonight in 47 now that when you know when india dresses up it said local colonial intentions in this humanitarian garb that is still mirrors as pointed out it offers gates the agendas even more especially for an audience that does not recognize their the sole intent that the recognize that the sole intent of the b. G. P. Is to. Change the character os the only muslim majority state and a dispute in an occupied it will restrain. Mr mark then i am going to agree with you. There can be no both sides to such a story because when the rate of evidence points incontrovertibly in one direction but science cannot be treated with equal rank you are impartial journalism is commendable but in situations like this metaphors you know an insult to those who look at this word in the me as i dont think theres any such thing as impartial journalism even must try and get as many perspectives as possible for the audience to to make that decision as well thank you for helping us with that im going to show our audience something here this is a story that we ran with last november there was anger over indians diplomat calling for the israel model in kashmir when he was doing was he was in the United States and he was talking about. Jammu and kashmir and how we get kashmiri hindus to get to go to that Union Territory and the language he was using was the language that the many people who are his speech his manners are why do about that somehow people going to come in from outside of the region and change the culture the nature of the region and they could it a settler mentality and here we have this indian diplomat absolutely saying that outloud this comment and 5 lets have a look. Because we already have oh no where we were not the way to follow does out in the middle east conflict you have to look at theres a veritable derby there are some gala i think. Ringback i am in the Security Commission to germany bash me and the improvement will allow them to destroy all the iranian afternoon limit of 00. So would be remiss of me for i didnt say following that can sure of a see the sandy chap president said i have seen some social media comments on my recent remarks i remark being taken out of context assaf what lets give some more context here the reason why the domicile law is so problematic for kashmiris im what im think about the impact on jobs on the environment on what is happening to. Us who are already struggling can you talk to me about it. Yeah i mean its a bit basically a simple observation because media has has no private sector caucusing and the government is actually the biggest employer so in terms of employment it is an issue but at the same time when you sort of giving states and shipped to an unrealistic and should people who can see who have stayed here for some period of time then you actually cutting the proportion of jobs for the local communities and which basically you know and simple have an economically and secondly even if its talk about land settlement of the land has on you 30 percent off i mean land inevitable that people can stay and does already land crunch so is dissin as a sexually necessarily who go into the i mean economic ecology destruction and it would be a huge impact on that moment and question if you feel that and in the same time you have to look at the land amount of land occupied by indian Family Forces in kashmir i mean it is dead in like 6 like an ounce of land under their control and we have seen recently that in the not. Just to grab scene army issuing notices to the government saying that we want to purchase that i mean has happened for the 1st time in the history that i mean actually saying that they want to understand otherwise they have as a temporary arrangement and i think it is going to set of a chain of reaction in a sense that if because it is being sold somewhere. And sells it some of them to become a patent and eventually that land is going to be a much lake how is it only Defense Forces on land in philistine and by degrees. I want to bring in and i wouldnt i mean i know here and i just want you mono if you would just bounce of the back of him because theres a very different feeling when youre outside of general in kashmir as to when youre in the rest of india so i mean here is in new delhi this is what he told us so we listen we have the knowledge and knowledge of the monday there was an article for the 17th of the 5 in because we believe there was discriminated in a system in the uk we believe the people of india had him already understood of them were because we under jobs that are often dont win because we dont the land and dont want to shoot we have an obligation always to money 1. 00 law or one cause dushan one nation. We same response no no. Yeah i mean so evan its sort of ironic that because if you look at the our history of article 370 and when and how it was instituted it was a movement started by pundits. And you make minority in kashmir and at the time the slogan that was used to sniff pundits was push me and focus mean it. And down with outsiders and so on and so forth and you know the sort of evolution of start slogan. Only focus me it is up to you know it is for outsiders now we have to understand the aleutian of that of that movement within the context of what pundits of course recognise as an exit this or a departure from the rally in 1990 i have to say i mean this is such a complex topic but i do want to make a quick sort of intervention here too will help me abundance also recognize their own history and initiating this these laws when it benefited them over time whats of course how good it is because muslims are in a majority in the stand and rightfully you know the jobs and you know Land Holdings etc should rightfully belong to the majority thats not that are not sick well with the Minority Community that was the prevalence in these ringback sort of const in the structures of the state and so now of course its something that is not a convenient you know the constitutional remnant to hang onto and and therefore at this response i do want to say it because we kind of got distracted from that earlier in the film earlier you took that that you saw it in no its done too much. Whats whats happening is what organisations who dont seem to me i think what the of the. Narrative that theyve been pandering is that what we seem to mean is a clash of civilizations right its a slumming civilization that has for some reason over the years you know and highlighted the him the civilization kashmir rightfully belongs to hindu and his homeland so to speak or he malias are being retrained as the last frontier of hindu thought politics now i want to argue enough or argue this enough that this is precisely the logic right that shapes every intervention of the beauty of since august 5th it is essential to exterminate muslims are from its not just a demographic exercise its much beyond that its a way more dangerous exercise and i think we have to come to terms of that and recognise it and name it for what it is. If i can imagine 1 point one hero we are at the end of the program there are no more points about it in this particular section what is interesting on you cheap people are actually asking why is the International Community not doing more about what is happening in kashmir its a story that we continue to go back to and we will continue to do so and me as a sign of monas safwat thank you so much for being on the stream its a good point and we try to look at my laptop here there is always lot to discuss on the streams every day sunday through wednesday at 1630 g. M. T. We always have an instagram night chat takes us behind each episode and you may even touch one of the guests with one episode so we can talk to them a little bit more into the next time its watching everybody picture. Business leaders. By now brushed past. Business leaders does vote to buy no brass power. 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