Trail has been forced to take a back seat will the president ial candidates ever hit the road and so their brand of politics to americans before the fall follow the us elections on a. George floyd is finally laid to rest his death sparked an unprecedented wave of anger against racism both in the u. S. And globally so as the world mourns floyd what will it take to in racism this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program im. Africanamerican george floyd has been buried in his hometown is going to change the world according to his brother its hoped his story will become a turning point in the fight against racism and thats not just in the u. S. Rallies over racial oppression and Police Brutality are spanning continents from the u. K. To senegal tens of thousands of people are kneeling or chanting i cant breathe the gestures represent the moments a white Police Officer knelt on floyds neck john hendren reports from the city of houston where floyd funeral took place on tuesday. George floyds tragic journey ends in a Houston Cemetery but across the u. S. The movement he inspired continues a montage of demonstrations in floyds name plate is his funeral displays his legacy and inspires a call to action from civil rights leaders took to reject its own. And made him the cornerstone of a movement as a coach a whole wide work friends and family remember the man they knew is perry or big floyd i miss my brother. A whole lot and. I was one of. Them i love you and. I think god forgive me give me my own personal superman this is not just murder hey take. A happy memory from. Now thats all i have are green. Right dear olympic come home baby you said a few its not much but its the life of the man who died beneath a policemans need was celebrated by members of congress and a president ial candidate who spoke directly to floyds daughter giana now is the time for Racial Justice thats the answer must give to our children when they ask why. Because when there is justice for george florey. Truly be on our way to Racial Justice in america and then she said. Danny will have changed the world the funeral followed memorials in minneapolis and North Carolina and a viewing in houston attended by thousands who remembered his final words i cant breathe in the weeks and months and years after these people have left this ceremony george floyd may well be best remembered as an accidental aging is someone who transformed the world less by what he did than by what was done to him some who didnt make the invitation list inside said they were outside because theyre concerned about the next generation. Not a brand of phone. And you know the sad. Thing so when you hear stories like the one about mr floyd what does it make you think. George floyd was buried next to his mother and the place he once called home is gone misused your. Judge made sure it is going to always remember. He left behind children a family and a movement they hope will end the pattern of unarmed African Americans dying at the hands of police John Hendren Al Jazeera houston. In the u. S. Where the protests began policymakers are beginning to respond to protesters demands u. S. Democratic leaders have proposed a bill demanding sweeping Police Reforms. In the u. K. A statue of an 18th century slave trader has been removed from outside a museum in london and the u. N. Has reversed the ban on staff taking part in antiracism protests days after it instructed employees not to in france chokeholds used by arresting officers are now forbidden and dutch Prime Minister mark ruta has confessed hes had to reconsider a local tradition of using socalled black face make up at christmas. All right lets bring in our guests from Columbus Ohio triva lindsey associate professor of womens gender and sexuality studies at the Ohio State University from johannesburg tembisa could a researcher at the Aljazeera Center for studies and from pisa italy would know and what it was or head of race and ethnicity equality for cost cooperation for the development of emerging countries a warm welcome to you all let me start with you you wrote a piece last week that says the push to acknowledge and rally around black women and girls victimized by Police Violence remains an uphill battle the peace also says the comparative lack of mobilized outrage for the killing of black women and girls it is an injurious eraser why is it such an uphill battle why did the killing for example of Briana Taylor a Health Worker who was shot 8 times by police who entered her apartment in louisville kentucky in march why is that only become more widespread in the past few weeks. Yes thank you for that question and thank you for having me today i think one of the major issues we have to contend with is the way that we frame Police Killings particularly in the United States context and something that is uniquely a disproportionately affecting lapid employs in our nation and while black men and boys are most likely to be gunned down proportionately speaking by Police Violence black women and girls are also 1. 4 times more likely than white women to be killed by police and often in our homes so one of the main reasons i think is that we see a number of the deaths of black women at the hands of Police Officers there in the domestic space there in the home space like up not that hitler so there is no darnell appraiser who was the 17 year old black girl who filmed the murder of to exploit so really back up and and give us a sense of what that kind of violence looks like we saw that 7 year old i honestly jones in 2010 in detroit another raid that were wrong in which the 7 Year Old Girl was killed in her own home or black woman who i mentioned to stress in the police or called on them an end up killed like her legal dance or debra danner and so there is this large history of black women facing both beno balance and also Sexual Violence at the hands of police that has yet to cause the kind of war that were looking for beyond of taylor in the in the taylor case the 3 officers who were possible for the rape still have not been arrested and so there is mobilization of these local contacts and of rowing but that is i would have and that say her name that hash tag that came into existence in 2015 so began to reckon with our own race share of black women and girls and to reckon with the sexism that often impacts how we mobilize around the death and who we organize around in the pushes that you make to address that kind of i have to be from your Vantage Point what does it say to you that protests are not just happening in the u. S. That they that they have spanned. Its well its been quite interesting to see the growing International Solidarity against racism and we have been through this in south africa over the is we all sort of lives on in the International Community to to push back the negativity that weve grown in this country so this for me is some sort of the resumption of that sort of verity movement or we saw during the days when most blacks out of cans and white for the pins were fighting against the dismantling of the Party Government so this is triggered something which is i guess the partys collapse in 1004 something that has been very necessary we have seen in the media imagines of ultra nationalists in racism and xenophobia on the low particularly after the 2 main events it was the nexus of the tram and bets that these people have somehow been emboldened to to go out and create this new normal way races in the senate for via and sexism was becoming and not so if its quite a Interesting Times and i think inside africa we weve seen the you know stop it ness of a pop date. No means the fuse into to it to go away from a society so this is what has happened in the United States it has kind of resuscitated the Movement Even against africa we have to protest as well and. This is probably most likely to continue giving even post because its not done that were currently in at the moment who you know there have been protests in italy in spain belgium denmark hungary were you surprised to see protests and so many different parts of europe and what does this say about how widespread racism is in European Countries. Indeed there have been protests across and across here of across cities across europe i meant i must say i 5 find all this very encouraging because in recent days many of those of us in that im to resist movement will have kind of felt some sometimes isolated. That time professes violence or offense it is somewhat different from that the case of the us in the sense that why we dont have serious cases for. Profiling racial profiling by the place across im a Member States i cant talk about the states. That wants my much why would i have a lot of Serious Problems stuff racial profiling we didnt have casey said people might that i placed though that its a dance they. May have seconds thats less but then Popular SupportPopular Support against at times. Very serious cases of risk is violence it into death has been has not been that much and were sentient so what is happening to us has backed a support back. Absolutely encouraging. Because it brought in many young people including young people of african descent. Yes so so much imam that of course they do have that. Generation they have their own way off of protesting of taking care of issues on social media and so on but that did not indict much much industry its that but if you have generations including mine we were forced to do it at the time so what has happened this last week to be honest has been encouraging and it is a challenge when the Civil Society organizations have to pick up from here bid on it to make sure the momentum is not lost im not pushing it if i change or have. It really struggled to the checkout frontage of a tree there are growing calls in the u. S. Now to defund the police from your point of view would that actually help address systemic racism and if not what steps need to be taken in order to do that. Its a great question and i think when we hear deep on the police we dont buck at all in the us when we defund Public Schools but we defund Health Care Systems and social services we had that happen all the time. That happened in these industries and i think whats important in this moment for defunding least is a means for those of us with in an abolitionist tradition what working to abolish the which is one of the part that we see happening in years but its really been spearheaded over the last few decades by people like angela davis the gilmore mary of. This tradition of thinking about what is a World Without leasing what is a World Without prison and so deep funding to believe means taking those resources that localities districts give to police say for surveillance and other means of controlling the population not protecting and serving and be investing that money into programs like Educational Programs like social Services Like aiding the. Really do impact Public Safety having Affordable Housing matters for Public Safety and in a Public Health approach to drug addition of drug addiction as opposed to life in approach really helps in that space and so i think what were seeing these calls for deepening the police and more of a groundswell around that work robust debate around what that means is what are we willing to invest in and saying that were willing to invest in a system that is deeply tied to systemic racism in this nation policing or. Derive from slavery trolls from swishing labor from protecting property the chicken we white mens property and the wet and looking ordinary history these are the afterlives a city apartment with say a racist system so its not the system its broken its working exactly the way it was designed to which is to exploited to harm to surveil and to police on the margins in our nation. And that is black people that its edition of people around people keep up with disabilities and people without happen at all and so the deep funding of police gets to need a gret that money and eventually work for a Public Safety that is Community Based that is Community Center and their focus is on d the each of the community which in fact would help us reduce crime scene models like that camden new jersey being one of them what we saw defunding it get to standing up the Police Department to a different model and you saw it. In Violent Crime its of this is not something that is untested and who then but i think it how it has to have a new imagination that we have to imagine a World Without the stage and this movement feels like an opportunity to do that we have to be imagination to be as i want to try and expand on some of what you were saying in your previous answer i want to ask you more specifically for black south africans is what happened to george floyd does that seem like an extension of their own collective experience with Police Brutality. What are your cities and injuring your party have we had similar incidents and surprising maybe within the black the. But i want to i want to talk from your previous question. I do support the the you know the taking away of the budget and the funding of these in fact ill go credit to say we need to even to fund some of the defense departments in certain countries and take that money and use it to fight racism i think what what has happened but to question sir theres been a situation where people started feeling too comfortable. And forgetting that the fight against racism is a permanent occupation and im one of those who believe that we should have a Permanent Department or minister within our government that will continually deal with issues of sexes interest communication and racism because the small part try and responsibility is something thats supposed to go on and continue because racism rebels have a certain moment and its not only police of the bitrate just kind of things over trigger situations where people protest but a lot of instances where theres subtle racism going on in different places in our society so we have had this kind of situation its because and unfortunately those days you know suggestions negative Funding Police or military apologises and some of the cause not discussion but ill argue that even now the 2 standing the political situation find ourselves and it is cold with debating not only in the United States but around the world of t. V. Funding and taking some of the money from the police and defense ministries and put it elsewhere where you can fight under racism. How much of these protests are also essentially against right wing and populist politics which have emerged in many European Countries in the wake of the braggs that referendum and the election of u. S. President donald trump. Well very much so i must say because racism is driven to stand in the last decade in europe in the European Union impractical that racism is can be driven by rightly groups and right wing political groups including political about this including prominent members and its about this so that movement its a reaction a challenge to to to that extreme is well its a cool if used to have been around the house lead to very serious cases back in italy we had where. In 2008 when federal were record that they had a range of violent resistance i think. That it will be a shopping district something we we dont read anywhere and have a menu face by file and violent extremist discussed and science into it to hate. Against them migrants and refugees bit discus im just so caught mike migration crisis because i think and you know in the e. U. In iraq in particular at the end from 201314 how often has they said that backing is pushed forward by these groups that that their reaction was hot the protesters in europe is also a reaction to search im sorry. I let you go estimate just bare expressions and green eyes and not from my mother it is. There are a lot of polls that have been conducted in the u. S. Right now that are that are showing that a majority of americans are viewing the killing of george floyd as indicative of a broader problem with Law Enforcement in the u. S. Instead of it just being seen as an isolated episode how much pressure is this going to put on lawmakers in the u. S. To take steps to reforming these policing policies. I think its going to be a considerable amount of pressure were also in an Election Year in the u. S. And of course this is all happening amidst a Global Pandemic which is a certain. A certain magnifying glass to problems there are already that were looking at unemployment were looking at Different Health care outcomes etc so seen systemic racism in a number of different way has played out in the last few months and i think this was just the final straw for really getting lawmakers to see we have to be explicit about our commitments to address a systemic racism to address and police say so already you have the democrats in congress posing a justice and police a president ial candidate joe biden just came up with a 300000000. 00 push for Police Reform and i think what were seeing in response to that people like this feels like a different moment in terms of rallying around reform that there are people who are invested in reform and back to that or people at this moment interested as well in something other than reform pushing beyond reform too but i think what that gives. Us is finally attempting to reckon with this long and its history of race the police saying by its policing and that law makers of white who have to make statements or points i have to be putting their names on bills talking in communities talking with organizers who are on the front lines about what in fact is a progressive resolution to this long standing problems and although reformist some of the language that were going to see most lawmakers made im very curious to see how many lawmakers really come out on the side of say we need a radical bench and this like with the city council in the apparatus was saying you know we have a veto proof majority that invested in cutting ties with the minneapolis Police Department and the imagining something else. C. L. A. Deep on daisies and 1150000000. 00 from the los angeles and i think were going to see this across all cows in the nation to say what are we to be committed and are we going to d do a lot of hard uncomfortable work addressing a systemic racism a police saying and the criminal Justice System or privately tembisa there is a conversation that is going on all over the world right now in which people are trying to figure out how to overcome racism from your perspective can racism actually be overcome and if so how where i think because of tree. To concentration on legislation. With the goal that legislation could create racism i dont think that a law could do the work i think we should have or encourage some partnerships between the Civil Society government and business in continually coming up with complaints that will fight racism legislation a little warm help all actually help eradicate racism weve seen it in south africa which has been for years a person of racism that it didnt work you have government that has been very active in trying to come up with laws and you know times basically to people who are accused of racism but thats alone will not work out. That is the only way we can then with this challenge just racism is if we have partnerships between sips of government business continual engagement and amazing. Contains that will create awareness particularly within the youth create awareness within minorities and majority. Majority communities with qantas for example in america you have certain parts of the United States where people are not you can aware that theyre being racist because theyre little sucked. In racism so im most of you that complaints which can be organized by well business since a certain government cant do the trick all right we have run out of times were going to have to leave it there thanks so much to all our guests triva lindsay tembisa could they and would oh and when it was or and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website aljazeera dot com and for further discussion go to our Facebook Page at facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is at a. J. Inside story for me my i am a gentleman the whole team here but for now was. 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