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Other news just days after libyas un recognized government made significant gains the head of the rival that ministration its at war with arrives in moscow for talks. Also where more than 7000000 people around the world are now known to contract its coronavirus but a record surge isnt stopping india lifting restrictions. And for premier League Champions Manchester City are hoping for a win in the courtroom the club is aiming to overturn a 2 year ban from playing in European Competitions. We begin this news with an unveiling of legislation in the u. S. Congress that could change the future of how Police Departments operate it follows protests demanding justice for the death of the unarmed black man george floyd 2 weeks ago the formalities started with house members pausing for 8 minutes and 46 seconds to own a mist of. Floyd who was pinned to the ground by a Police Officer with the needs of his neck for that same time the democrats are promising legislation that if approved would make it easier to prosecute Police Misconduct several cities and states of ready to take action including minneapolis where george floyd died the justice in policing act a stablish is a bold transformative vision of policing in america never again should the world be subjected to witnessing what we saw on the streets in minneapolis the slow murder of an individual by a uniformed Police Officer well as politicians debate the legislation the others will bid farewell to george floyd at an open casket Memorial Service in his hometown of houston in texas the fired Police Officer accused of killing him derek shivan is due to make his 1st Court Appearance soon after that we have several teams across the u. S. Covering the still developing story john hendren is in Houston Texas where about floyd memorial will be held in about 2 hours from now and attention and will join us live from minneapolis and we begin with our White House Correspondent kimberly hellcat joining us from outside the white house kimberly good afternoon so nancy pelosi talking about martyrdom the kneeling down the language very very strong lots of impact there. Lots of impact impact that they hope will transform into law in terms of the symbolism of the death of george floyd they called him a martyr but they touched on so many names so many instances where there have been people of color that have been killed at the hands of police in Police Custody and why there is a need with this legislation to transform policing in the United States whether its making police more accountable whether its changing the practices in the way that they can dr ross House Speaker nancy pelosi very clear that there is time for change let us my colleague chefs go over some of those names of martyrdom George Floyd Jackson davis oscar grant so sad Briana Taylor on our bree botham John Terrance cloture the lando. Castle freddy gray walter scott to me or rice Michael Brown eric garner Trayvon Martin my colleagues any other names. I mean the. Thank you we cannot settle for anything less than transformative structural change is there now and in play here kimberly which is mr trump. Because presumably he cant not react to this. Yeah we know now that there will be from the Trump Campaign a call that will be taking place in the coming hour to discuss policing in the United States thats one of several events we also know that there in addition to a White House Press briefing at 800 g. M. T. Where we expect to hear more on this from the press secretary the u. S. President for his part will be holding a roundtable about 19 g. M. T. Where he will be meeting with Law Enforcement officers in the argument from the trumpet ministration consistently has been we acknowledge theres racism we acknowledge that there are problems within policing but it is not systemic and that is the key difference from democrats versus republicans the view of this white house is that there are maybe a few bad apples in policing but as a whole that police want to serve their communities they want to protect their communities they dont want to see it or troubled by this video that has been you know brought to the public limelight because of people that have cell phones and that is the real argument thats being made from democrats is look at nothings changed and cell phones are a lumination what has been there all along so were going to hear from more from the u. S. President but clearly this is become an election issue as well the u. S. President saying that theres a need for law and order theres a need for supporting the Police Democrats say there is a need for reforming police and that is the argument and both sides have a very different viewpoint on how to approach this this this issue ok were talking about the election the kimberley just looking at the latest opinion polls mr trumps numbers going to mr bidens numbers are going up is there a sense there that mr bush doesnt actually have to do very much he just sits back and writes the wave of people asking questions of the trumpet ministration. Its a very valid point right now some of the hard work is being done not by the man whos running to be the democratic president ial nominee and for all intents and purposes hes clinched that nomination but the hard work is being done by democrats on capitol hill being led by House Speaker nancy pelosi its really important though to point out to our International Viewers that this is not a federal system of government so the change thats being talked about on capitol hill will happen for federal policing agencies but the local change where we saw you know people like freddie gray people like george floyd being affected that is going to take voting at the local level and its important to bring up the point that brock obama made late last week is that thats where voter turnout has been pitifully low so its going to take the work not just of joe biden or donald trump its going to take the work of ordinary voters who need to vote and Police Chiefs and district attorneys and prosecutors to hold this accountability but the 1st step in the leadership seems to be taking place at the federal level they hope that what will be emblematic at the federal level will sort of trickle down into the local Police Forces but its clear that there is an effort underway and youre right joe biden for his part has. Spoken about this hes been very emotive and emotional but hes not the president hes trying to run to become the president but the hard work of all of this will really be done by legislators kimberly thanks very much john hendren joins us live from texas where a huge crowd is expected from the Memorial Service for george floyd in a couple of hours from now so john just take us through whats going to happen there today. This is really going to be a viewing in a couple of hours the 1st of 6 hours of viewing will occur and because of social distancing rules the public will be able to file in about 15 at a time staying no longer than 10 minutes theyll have to wear masks and gloves but theyll be able to pay their respects to george floyd who was raised here so we expect there to be a number of people who did know floyd and perhaps a number of people who didnt know him but have been moved by his story there have been memorials like this in minneapolis which i attended on thursday and then in his place of birth North Carolina and now here theres this viewing today and then tomorrow there will be a funeral will be will finally be laid to rest what we know about that so far is that it will be presided over by the reverend al sharpton Benjamin Crump a civil rights attorney who has been representing floyds family will also be there we know there will be a video from joe biden the Vice President ial the former Vice President and president ial candidate who is also visiting with the family today do you get the feeling that its a difficult one for the local politicians and National Politicians to react to whats going on there right now properly without appearing tone deaf and at the other end of that question i guess without obviously politicizing it too much given that were what 6 months away from a president ial election. Thats right ive noticed at the protests that we see you dont see a lot of politicians marching you saw mitt romney do that in washington but you dont see it elsewhere and that is because i think theres a concern among politicians that theyre sort of coopting this movement in they really dont want that to happen last week when i was in minneapolis i didnt see that i have not seen it in chicago where i was in between and day i think they concern is that they want to seem responsive and they dont want to seem like theyre taking advantage of the situation so one of the things youre seeing is that the kind of movement on legislation all let me just say whats happening in minneapolis but you know you were talking to kimberly about the movement on capitol hill probably largely symbolic since the house is dominated by democrats but. Politicians want to take action but it is very difficult for them they cant very well just come here or it looks like theyre trying to coopt the events john youll keep us right up today i know but in the meantime until we talk to you again in the coming hour or so thank you very much ok lets cross now to natasha shes in minneapolis minnesota thats with derek show of in the Police Officer charged with 2nd degree murder in the death of George Floyds will make his 1st Court Appearance very soon what else do we know about the process thats just about to be unveiled the. Well they have a preliminary hearing hes been in a state correctional facility since his arrest due to safety concerns as you mentioned he has been charged with 2nd degree murder once the attorney general took over the floyd case last week he upgraded the charges against children is an almost 20 year veteran of the Minneapolis Police department and according to the complaint against him he and other Police Officers knew that the manner in which floyd was restrained to restrain someone while theyre already face down on the ground and handcuffed is quote inherently dangerous and the complaint concludes that by cho been kneeling on George Floyds neck for almost 9 minutes almost 3 of those after he was unresponsive that it was quote a substantial factor in floyds death the complaint says that floyd was calm that he wasnt resisting arrest that he was claustrophobic and afraid to get into the back of the squad car. The complaint also says that not just chosen but the other 3 officers on scene on the morial day evening despite floyds repeated pleading that he couldnt breathe they that he was ignored cho that does have a history of complaints over his career there were 18 Police Misconduct complaints filed against him in only 2 of those cases peter was he disciplined and in those cases he was reprimanded and at the 3rd precinct where all of these officers worked this is the precinct where protesters stormed looted and set it on fire on may 28th there was a history of trouble according to a Minneapolis Star Tribune investigation from 2007 to 2017 that precinct officers in that precinct were involved in lawsuits where the city paid out more than 2. In dollars there is seems to people outside the country natasha know a nationwide debates about defunding the police and disbanding completely getting rid of certain Police Departments whats whats the impact of that narrative for you all. On sunday 9 City Council Members pledged at a rally that they would disband the Minneapolis Police department they say that that is quote a read oh proof number of City Council Members they say the Minneapolis Police department is beyond reform particularly when you look at despite a deescalation technique training and the wearing of body cameras the complaints against the Minneapolis Police department continue to rise. This is what theyre saying the specifics of any kind of plan or system that would be in place of the Minneapolis Police department is unclear but the City Council Members are saying that they will work with the community to develop a plan the minneapolis mayor jake uprise says that he is a supporter of reform and that he does not support abolishing the Police Department but the city council does say again that it believes it has a veto proof majority if you look at the Bigger Picture in minneapolis with the Police Department its clear there are problems that continue to have disproportionately affect black people minneapolis Police Officers used force against black suspects 7 times more often than white suspects natasha thank you very much well come back to you as well i suspect in the next also. Lets wrap up some other top stories for you here on the news i thought starting in libya where there was a surprise move from the leadership of one of its warring and ministrations again the speaker of the parliament based in to broke in the east has arrived in moscow for talks he was seen in egypt at the weekend where his ally warlord announced a cease fire which was quickly rejected by the u. N. Recognize government in tripoli meanwhile on the ground in libya after us forces continue to lose ground to the government thats been pushing ahead towards the strategic city of sirte malik traina has more now from up a grain 140 kilometers west of sirte. Our team was just in the western gate of sirte approximately 50 kilometers west of sirte of the road into search we we saw numerous a checkpoints that have been abandoned by forces loyal to the have to sow g. N. A. S. The g. N. A. S. Forces the government of National Court forces are now inside the City Center City borders approximately 30 kilometers west of the tripoli west of the city there also and one of the el jarrett a jar of his south of sirte so the Southern Suburbs of sirte we spoke i spoke to military leaders here earlier and and they told me that we are going to go into sirte we would rather for the forces loyal to have to to withdraw so that the city doesnt see any destruction and civilians dont dont get caught up in this fight but they are adamant and they will enter the city regardless now when and how long it will take to enter certain pens really on how much resistance stays how much how much of a fight or have to force is going to take. When i asked when i asked the commander what happens after sirte you know he said weve sacrificed so much this fight isnt just about tripoli its not about sirte we want to liberate the country from have to stay so they they they are they want or they say that they want to continue on. Ok lets look more closely now. And how he fits into the conflict in libya well ask me been mentioning he is the speaker of the administration and to pro quo is rivals the internationally recognized government in tripoli its allied to the warlord holy for half time he also attended saturdays talks in cairo with have to and the egyptian president but there were major differences between salah and have to. When the war declared himself the sole ruler of libya more recently has been quoted as saying russia wants negotiations to resume with the tripoli government because it no longer sees a positive outcome to have to fence of have to has been trying to take over tripoli for more than a year now that speak to mahmoud up the wide who is in tripoli what is again doing in moscow. Well it has been and now it has not been announced yet. We know that russia has been recently keen. To push for a peaceful solution to the current conflict there especially russia is supporting the Egyptian Initiative as you know the initiative that was sort of the by the egyptian president a few days ago in cable to end the conflict and put a cease fire. In place but. In. Seems to be. Next to try use as there have to especially after that have to have lost control of the west of libya his forces have been. Dont fall of the military campaign he launched it to take control of the capital tripoli is that obvious so it seemed that but i shut my might reconsider that looking for alternatives to be accepted by the west of the camp in libya the government of National Accord have to as a controversial personality or a rival in the libyan conflict cannot be accepted by officials in the western camp led by the government of National Accord in fact they say that the government Officials Say that half that it cannot be part of any peace talks in the forseeable future so. Given the fact that the regional and International Backers of the eastern a camp led by the warlord cleaver have to can now see clearly that he has failed to achieve his goals. So it seemed that the hour or the might reconsider looking for overturned divs i get. As a compromise or not will be accepted by the government of National Accord this remains to be seen there for a minute at the tripoli based government of National Accord just stated denied any the night any planned visit for the e. U. Anetta could be made to Prime Minister face of to moscow it seems that. The government of National Accord. As they accused russia of supporting the warlord Khalifa Haftar with mercenaries from the Wagners Group and also with fighter jets so whether or not the russian and egyptian mediation will be accepted by the government of National Accord this remains to be seen peter welcome and thanks very much. Some of them to your service in chief of the International Interest the Risk Consultancy website he says russia is trying to push for a political settlement that does include all the warring factions. I think russia is trying to lessen from have this power but not entirely get rid of him i think the proof of that is that in cairo it was both i get asylum and after what i think russia is doing russia wants talks russia wants negotiations but knows it is untenable for several us to sit with half that again so russia is trying to say to said look come and sit with i get asylum at least and i promise to rein in half that this doesnt necessarily mean that has got his out of the picture but it means that hes no longer the face of russia is trying to make sure that hes no longer the face that sits there with sarah and i think this shows actually a great sensitivity. Of of tripoli and also an appreciation of that sensitivity from russia yesterday said. Believed to have a sect his economy minister in a sign that the d. N. A. Are starting to clash with one another we disagree with one another we heard the reports that satirized is in moscow but it hasnt been officially announced because i was worried about the backlash that might come about from his supporters from the g. N. A. T. Forces but it appears that russia is trying to bring about some mediation turkey is trying to help this mediation along and solutions in an awkward position whereby if he seemed to be excited about these talks he would lose domestically but if he doesnt go to these talks then he risks jeopardizing the turkish support and indeed the his general leadership of the g. And a lot more news on the sports still to come here on the news hour including these stories the number of coronavirus cases in pakistan has passed 100000 will tell you why the surge protection. And in sports being in Different Countries didnt stop 3 of the worlds best to catholics from competing against each other. The number of reported cases of coronavirus worldwide has now topped 7000000 the death toll has. 400000 in india shopping malls restaurants and places of worship of reopened despite a surge in new infections there are more than a quarter of a 1000000 cases and over 7000 people are reported to have died the peak could still be weeks away but the lockdown has crippled the economy elizabeth urana has that story from new delhi. The bagging of drums welcomes worshippers to new delhis 500 year old 100 man temple along with a man dressed as the temples namesake hindu isms much loved monkey god hunnam on while priests offer prayers the ancient rituals include some new guidelines like temperature checks saddle taishan tunnels mosques and limited numbers of people to ensure social distancing the opening of villages places being welcome to the country where 80 percent of people say religion is very important to them because. God is the supreme being and hes going to make everything ok there is no greater doctor than guard hes gone to all the sadness in the world there are different doctors but every ailment but god is supremely zonta also to those. Most in restaurants also reopened with the same restrictions as temples and while some sharp point is welcomed the Business Activity others were apprehensive. Because like restart the march that just starting in india and we were in the air pollution in corona was just playing with us and. The numbers its not like my. Its hard to jump this is one of delhis most popular malls what should have opened at midday local time but most of the shops are still closed and there are very few customers some states including maharashtra which is worst hit by the corona virus and indeed administered kashmir have decided to keep such a status in its shot because of the rising number of cases. So at least we know so we know the shape of the Health Experts say while medical facilities have been improved the government is still under reporting the number of cases and deaths testing needs to go up deaths need to be reported accurately and we need these studies but records who are logical surveys would just tell us how many people have already been exposed to the virus and that has not happened even though were well into the epidemic. An epidemic which government leaders say people must learn to live with because the cost of the lock down with 128000000 people jobless is too high to pay elizabeth purana aljazeera new delhi the number of reported coronavirus cases in pakistan has surpassed 100000. 00 the infection rate increased after the holy month of ramadan ended and markets reopened doctors want to tough a lock down measures but the government said the country couldnt afford to do that. Has more now from the capital islamabad. No one know it yet grandpa gets on really see the big according to some of the medical experts the next 2 weeks will be critical the World Health Organization had worn months ago that focused on could be dodging up to 200 confirmed cases by july you also have to understand that the country has not yet come up to speed with the number of deaths so far theyre trying to achieve 30000 deaths per day and the number of confirmed cases of god is rising now at an alarming rate richard also putting a huge burden on the countrys outraged medical facilities and not to mention the fact that there are dead is an Economic Cost as israel according to initial estimates by the government up to 2. 5 trillion repeat of last days and also alarming neugebauer unemployment that could go up to their credit 1000000 mark and a country that has about 60 to 65000000 workforce and did other consequences from covert 19 but the important thing the Prime Minister of pakistan saying that it was an extremely difficult start to go forward for lock down because that border hurt the country ball and perhaps also create a lawyer in order to do a show the country going ahead with trying to normalize also a message from the Prime Minister that the people will now have to learn to live with go with 90. Still to come here on news for you welcome to britain but be prepared to put yourself into quarantine 1st to tell you everything we know about the new group. And around the world a backlash against stan choose some feel represent racism and White Supremacy well debate the issues. In sport the former head of well the classics goes on trial in france charged with corruption and Money Laundering. How welcomes another look at the International Focus it stays dry across the middle east not great surprises its quiet we have got a little bit of cloud into that western side of saudi arabia but i think it should stay fine and dry pleasantly warm around the eastern side of the mediterranean temperatures here into the mid to high twentys but you push inland and it is as though someones got that head dry blasting away temperatures getting up to 46 celsius in baghdad horses still in kuwait 48 celsius to 42 there in doha winds will ease around the gulf as we go on through wednesday northerly wind taking those temperatures back to around 36 celsius but still plenty warm enough its also want to see showers into Western Areas of yemen they join up with the showers that we have on the other side of the red say they extend their way across the heart of africa and on into the gulf of guinea so some big alive the showers continuing across west africa have started to see those rains not a little further north with guinea seeing some very heavy showers the showers pushing up into southern parts of mali as well for good measure south of that it is lousy dry plenty of sunshine across Southern Africa we have got some rain in the forecast that rain will make its way towards the west and capers we go on through choose day 10 with a top temperature of 21. 00 celsius as the rain starts to roll in. For. A journey of personal discovery my great grandfather he was a slave of the only property aljazeera is james garner and expose his familys legacy of slave ownership you know like my familys status and wealth has benefited from their choice to enslave people and americas debt to the black people today some over soul sco even scared to speak out because its a problem. Aljazeera correspondent a moral debt. Examining the impact of todays headlines extraordinary times require extraordinary measures but these should not be at the expense of our privacy setting the agenda for tomorrows discussions i know all of the life that was in these walls and now theres no live in the wall global experts in discussion in this democracy why are people not voting International Filmmakers and world class journalist. On ill just say are. Welcome back youre watching the answers here and use our own peter dhabi your top stories so far today the u. S. Congress is presenting legislation that could change how Police Departments operate now if passed the law would make it easier to prosecute misconduct it comes in the wake of protests demanding justice for the death of george floyd in minneapolis 2 weeks ago. The political leader of one of libyas warring sides is on a surprise visit to moscow as speaker of parliament into bro come back by the wall or telephone after his forces in the city of sirte are being surrounded by libyas army after being driven out of western libya. India is easing its current 1000 restrictions despite reporting a surge in new corona virus infections places of worship in new delhi reopening Shopping Centers and restaurants are also back in business. And other protests being held on an island off the coast of yemen to demand Coalition Troops leave hundreds marched in the city of a deep 2 in socalled from the United Arab Emirates which is helping saudi arabia fight with the rebels in yemen sent troops to the island 2 years ago protesters accuse the coalition of trying to overthrow the islands government. A funeral is being held in syria for the former leader of the Palestinian Group Islamic Jihad Ramadan Shala died in a hospital in beirut his body was transported across the border to syria charlotte lapsed into a coma 2 years ago because of complications from heart and Kidney Disease he was on the u. S. Most wanted list of terror suspects. Most new arrivals to the u. K. And are required to put themselves into quarantine for 2 weeks plane ferry or train passengers including u. K. Passport holders must give an address where they will self isolate or face a 1200 dollar fine the government says the rules designed to prevent a 2nd wave of infections critics condemned the restrictions as a publicity stunt which will be impossible to enforce join a hole is at Heathrow Airport west of london. But it depends really on the willingness of people coming in to abide by and and actually take up this quarantine 14 days of self isolation and have to when they arrive at airports and ports of entry like you throw behind me fill in a form tell people tell the Border Guards where theyre going to be staying where they can be found and spoken to on the phone where theyll be supposedly random checks carried out by Public Health england its a big ask the onus is very much on the travelers themselves to be compliant there are very loud critical voices who suggest this simply isnt going to work not because its unmanageable or hard to enforce which arguably it is but because it wont fulfil the governments stated aim of trying to limit transmission of the virus and prevent a 2nd wave coming in from abroad why because of the blanket nature of this quarantine policy being applied to all countries across the board including and frankly there are a lot of them now countries with lower infection rates than the u. K. The government says its relying on the science that will the science for that contention begins to look doubtful when scientists are heard to say that the point of a policy like this is to target specifically and efficiently countries with higher infection rates than the u. K. As indeed other countries have done with some effect and have done so far earlier in their epidemics and the other line of criticism of course is that this is all happening far too late. More than 36000 people are known to have died from corona virus in brazil and as president continues to plague the seriousness of covert 19 people have come out protest against his handling of the crisis and racism as a latin america and as a. Government opponents who had until now banged on pots and pans from their balconies came out onto the streets of sao paolo in large numbers to protest for the 1st time since the pandemic reached brazil their country now has the worlds 3rd highest death toll from a culvert 90 but they defied their grim reality because their list of grievances is getting long. I came out despite the quarantine because i have to fight for all of us both scenario is a threat to democracy and our lives many used the occasion to also show their support for the black lives matter of mitt. Romney both sonora doesnt care about black lives 54 percent of brazilians are black and where the ones being hardest hit by covert and poverty thats why he does nothing. But the strongest message was against what Many Brazilians see as an attempt by their president and his supporters to subvert Democratic Institutions especially the Supreme Court which also not all threatens to shut down. Both sonora is a fascist and i dont want this country to turn into a dictatorship i already lived through that some brazilians i asked former brazilian and vassar to washington and the un rubins we could put all if described in poso novel as a fascist was perhaps going too far here. Or 3. Here and. Using what. Political drug use and while he is in. It and all but all in the military. In Rio De Janeiro a group of people so not a supporter is ridiculed his opponents calling them the anti fast or anti fascists meanwhile the president went out to greet his followers without a face mask as hes been doing every sunday. Sonata says he wants to arm brazilians to defend the country from internal enemies he is also named a retired military officer one of 3000 hes placed in civilian jobs as acting health minister. With the pandemic a deep economic recession and a political crisis all in high gear opponents of betting the time is on their side as long as brazils Democratic Institutions can withstand the test you see in human aljazeera. And serious isnt protesters both in the u. S. And the u. K. Are directing their anger at monuments into slavery and colonialism british protestors toppled the statue of a 17th century slave trader Edward Colston and dumped it into the harbor in bristol he was part of the Royal African Company that had a monopoly over the slave trade from west africa in the u. S. Statues of confederate heroes the tumbling the 11 Southern States fought in the American Civil War to keep slavery alive last week for a test fire to the daughters of the confederacy building in the city of Richmond Virginia capital of the confederacy the statue of southern general William Wickham was pulled down at the University Campus in richmond on saturday not just protesters on thursday the Virginia Governor announced plans to remove the statue of the confederate general robert e. Lee and in alabama city officials removed 120 year old monuments from the city of mobile well for more on this we have 2 guests joining us on skype from london is cultural historian and campaigner for the Windrush Generation Patrick Vernon and doug bando is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute he joins us from springfield the ginia gentleman lets just come to you 1st Patrick Byrne and if i may ripping down statues throwing them in rivers or harbors is that ok. So what happened in brussels were interesting because for a number of years camp campaigners. Groups have been raising the issue of that statue from the public debates have been online petitions the been the baits in the town hall and basically theres a lot of people frustrated by plans not to to it taken from seriously round listens to concerns around colson and his links to trade and the way he treated a lot of 100 fans of people on the plantations and slave ships so i think this was like the ultimate speech people there were im a certain that this been taken a number of years for people to get to reconcile what caused the dead and loss leave the impacts of what happened over the weekend a lot people took into the hands the band the senior fellow at the Cato Institute defacing and vandalizing a plane a statue of Winston Churchill who was voted in 2002 by british people as the greatest britain who ever lived whats your take on that. Well the challenge here is that most historical figures are flawed churchill is one churchill played an extraordinary role in world war 2 his attitudes on colonialism the role of india and other issues were far less fashionable these days so its a complex legacy i think its fine to rethink history but its a reason it should be done legally it should be done thoughtfully you know confederate figures are all over the southern United States it makes sense to change that because of a changing political system its 150. 00 or more years later now after that conflict but still almost any historical figure think of napoleon he plunged of the continent of europe into war hes still venerated you know by the french you know George Washington americas 1st president was a slave owner you know so the flaws are manifest i think its dangerous to do this to have a crowd show up and take it so and you know decision but some of these cases definitely should be rethought Patrick Vernon when you were talking that so its about the statue in bristol coming thats the mold but its a mob mentality who decides what is acceptable and what is not acceptable and how it should be rewritten and interpreted. Well its interesting use the word mob was a mob when the berlin wall came down nice nice 9 i dont think so a lot of people saw that sign of liberation and you know what if you did this opinion poll a lot of people britons would say you know what the symbolism of that statue had to go but as i said shoe that has been a process in bristol for many years for a little a process to get thats thats removed and people took a non hands i mean i want to quote could use the word mob this was that you know that the britain is built on slavery the history of britons built in slavery we dont have debates about this and the fire moved the statue culson from the mental into the river then leads to a debate around the country that we have a now fix a good thing ok but nobody say for example is going to phone the government in cairo and say the pyramids were put up by 20000 hebrew slaves by the way start dismantling the pyramids thats not going to happen is it. After youve been so theres little automatics now theres a big difference i mean there was a big difference between someone like colston who through his empire and slave trading and you know i mean the question around the whole debate around memorial is interesting because a lot of memorials are a lot of them advance a project thats face it so a lot of the statues in britain were actually paid by people due to probably sponsorship or public subscription and so if you made a lot of money and youre wealthy and your family once has once or have a statue thats what people symbolize its not about the real history its about symbolism of that history so often you have to offer you have to do on a case by case basis the make a generic generalization what happened in bristol compared to what some of the caro and apostle world its interesting to hear about the whole stuff in america in america those. Confederate flags statues of morals were deliberately placed in neighborhoods in black areas as to reinforce the racism of the terror against africanamericans the statues that we have in britain its cool for glorification of empire ok doug bando it has to be done on a case by case basis case by case does that mean that we have to relax our m. P. s do we have to realize that our local councillors to decide case by case which bits of history are not rewritten but reinterpreted to give us complete transparency and complete accuracy. The starting point strikes me is the community themselves a lot of states in the southern United States put laws in forbidding a city for example for making these decisions and i think thats very wrong the people who are local should have the starting point on this is a question of renaming schools for example many stools in virginia where i live and elsewhere are named after civil war figures it makes eminent sense to allow a local school board to change that name so this is a process that should be case by case its complex and it makes a lot of sense to allow it to go ahead but i think we should recognize that complexity there are reasons to admire some of those civil war figures even though we dont like the cause they fought for Abraham Lincoln did not start the civil war to free the slaves ok what he cared about was holding the country together for him slavery was a secondary issue most Union Generals were not fighting to end slavery so even those figures in a certain sense are complex i would like to rethink history in the context where the statues might belong how people should be remembered but we should do it in that context not because the crowd shows up and is very happy at least in the american context over a particular statue or the remembrance patrick is there a risk in what were seeing here and could it possibly be the tribal eyes ation of grassroots politics because it seems to me now that everyone can hide behind thats whats a profile they can hide behind what they say on instagram and or on facebook they can organize things like top pulling a statue in bristol for example and there is a non ditto a current which says you have the for us or against us and if we decide youre against us you are there for and forever moving forwards part of the problem not part of the solution so why not just educate people and leave the statues in place if only as a reminder of what happened in the past and should never happen again. Well thats for nice you saying that but lets lets be real you know the reality is we have Structural Racism in britain weve got the history of empire conversation which is country has never seriously had a proper debate and the level of chore so when you remove one historical figure lets empire people jump jumpy about it and say how dare you its such you remember this guy colson one of the richest people in britain by the way made lots of money freudian slave much of my ancestors basically is that right it should be left there what people have been doing in bristol for years after emphasise the charge to go for a peaceful process through public the base petitions information sharing trying to save the can have more details on the statutes up you can know the true facts and figures but the fall it is ignored it some people took a long hands after this lesson for before it says if you ignore community. And few nor sense of social injustice which they stalk and justice and you pretend that religion is post racial britain may be more statues that might be removed ok gentlemen we have to leave it there Patrick Vernon and doug bando thank you both very much good to talk to you youre welcome. Still to come here on the news other sports news much the city are hoping for a win in the courtroom as the club aims to overturn a 2 year ban from playing in European Competitions. Welcome back an abandoned Submarine Base in france is getting a new lease of life home to hitlers infamous wolf packs during the 2nd world war its projecting a very different kind of message today its all about us. 78 years old this Submarine Base was built to home german u. Boats during world war 2 in the center of budo it was critical in the battle of the atlantic by that i mean from thinking with ethic then for the space had a flotilla of 43. 00 separate assigned to it and was operational from a 943. 00 but it was used for less than 2 years. That got. Him to be the space is made of 600000. 00 cubic metres of reinforced concrete destroying it would not have any economic leverage. So its found a new purpose. Becoming the worlds not just Digital Space it was chosen not just for its size but also its large cool is that reflect projections and create an immersive experience. The range of the popular venue would apply a fucking when we visited the space we knew we had to work with it we had the suppression and we knew we had to put on explosions here. 90 video projectors move use every surface to bring iconic art to life this is his walk through narrow gangways to 2 of the submarine panes some 100 meters known in 12 meters high. Enough that this business must have been this is essential a lump of concrete which is gigantic and humid and we use technology in microelectronics so we face a number of challenges. The primary inaugural artist is austrian painted gustaf plans different artists will be selected next year. From him a fleet of hunters submarines would loons to destroy allied ships across the atlantic now its called the pools of enlightenment and projecting a very different message. Ballasts own jazzier. Time for what is a very much a tale english premier League Champions imagine. City are hoping for a big win in the courtroom as they aim to overturn a 2 year ban from the European Competition this year footballs european governing body found city guilty of breaking financial rules the abu dhabi owned club is taking its appeal to the court of arbitration of sport which is based in switzerland and a hearing is scheduled to last 3 days with no verdict expected until next month at the earliest while you have a claim at city a over stated that the size of some sponsorship deals to get around your face financial fair play rules the rules are designed to ensure clubs dont spend more than they earn city have rejected the charge that they failed to cooperate with investigators and believe the process wasnt impartial if the appeal fails the city will be banned from playing in any European Competitions for the next 2 seasons and could lose more than 200 50000000. 00 in revenue is the most of it penalty any European Club has received for financial fall sports lawyer kevin copper to says city feel theyre being singled out. Its certainly true that Mountain City feel that they have been targeted by you a for this and that they dont have a particularly Good Relationship with her anyway. And i dont really agree with the whole system in the fact that it kind of entrenches the existing plops but the fact remains that the rules of their and they they signed up to take part in the competition on the basis of those regulations i mean even if they do lose on the grounds of the heliport board they will undoubtedly say well in any case this is a disproportionate sanction. But i think in their submissions will rely heavily on this attitude in the locker corporation in the proceedings which really really riled them i mean ultimately as far as im concerned the regulations are not really about that way its all there about financial sustainability. 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Creates a good tax which obviously bear. On the side but its not sufficient to establish you know you any kind of participation of the sort of india to the dr. Yes president or has reopened the debate about n. F. L. Players being allowed to kneel it during the Pregame National Anthem last week League Commissioner Roger Goodell said that the n. F. L. Would now encourage all place to speak out to peacefully protest 2018 the league banned a players that from taken in need to protest against Racial Injustice and Police Brutality completed on sunday could it be even remotely possible that in good googles a rather interesting statement of peace and consideration that he was intimating that it would now be ok for the players to kneel or not to stand for the National Anthem their blood disrespecting our country and our flag. Well n. B. A. Stars are among the growing list of iraqis to come out in support of the black lives matter movement. Players from the main all key bucks to lead the peaceful march through the city on sunday bucks a forward yannis and to go to the twitter taito to thank the thousands who attended the rally saying the movement was bigger than basketball. American tennis player Taylor Townsend says shes a regular victim of discrimination in an interview with her sports governing body 25. 00 foot 24 year old said shes often mistaken for other black players and faces extra security checks tournament venues and im walking and somebody has to check my bank check my credentials check my coachs badge check my coachs credentials its extra security extra precautions i need to be taking to make sure that i think this is our reality happens all the time week in and week out every term of art play in the states overseas it doesnt matter i think that this is something. You cant ignore. New Zealand Rugby fans have been given the green light to attend games from saturday the countrys organized in a 10 week torment involving 5 super rugby clubs organizers have confirmed therell be no limit on crowd and numbers when the highlanders a play the chiefs and anyone on saturday well the track and field events are yet to resume so ashes are getting creative in the meantime being in Different Countries it didnt stop 3 of the worlds best to kathleen take in each other on in the series of challenges frances world record holder kevin mayer won the particular event Diamond League athletics is set to return on the 14th of august and 1 article. Thats it for me santa thanks very much when we come back well have 30 minutes of aljazeera world news we will see you at the top of the hour. When youre from a neighborhood known as a hotbed of radicalism. You have to fight to defy stereotypes. 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