Aljazeera. Where. I am from the i can see what this strain in the u. K. If youre black or brown youll most likely to die from covert 19 we have an impressive lineup of guests who are trying to work out why if you have a take and you and you jump into that shot we would love to hear from you and thats one way that you too can be in this. I am going to introduce you to the guests in the guests were introduced themselves to you so lets start with dr frank dr frank telling us what he. Yes hello good afternoon everyone my name is the professor in the window im a consultant neurological surgeon they say in london Rocket Health has crossed im also the chairman of the register a charity called cancer care and the also a trustee of the Prostate Cancer charity tackle which is a federation of. Some gays have its good to have you in the stream thank you so much for joining us patrick tell everybody you are. High one america patent. Of my background for its Health Social care as a commission in Services Police services not been involved in politics and culture activists cultural story and ive been for actively involved in the Community Response run cover one team in the u. K. I have a welcome to the stream patrick and were not just going out in america again around the entire l. L. To thank you for joining mention no pressure hello dr shipped out we cannot have this conversation without you you have the research you have the stats you have the data television let me hear your. Thank you so much a good afternoon everyone my name in the past im a gentle you. And i walk on the search on the 5th and the. Cardiovascular this specialized looking at these at molecular level in. My Justice Department why do you defend this if you. Like to be the. So good to have a guess an an audience i want to show you something here on my own laptop in are always asking what story shouldnt be doing and this just came through from i said theres a very long asset is one of our reporters he often reports on iran he also grew up in the u. K. And he wanted to talk about the disproportionate number of the a m e people affected by corona in the u. K. At the end is something you can hear a lot in this conversation acronym that asian minority ethnic thats how people in the u. K. Talk about people of color from ethnic backgrounds so that is what were talking about dr frank sankey so much of being on the show because one of the reasons you hear is because you are power of this unusual set of statistics you have faced because of 19 in your family can you tell us what happened. Yes there are 2 experiences really 2 to relate. The 1st was that will last 219 on the micro this year my father was 92 that made him a good health although he didnt get out much sorry he became a well. We had to take him to hospital where they died knows our current virus is tests x. Ray in c. T. Scan showed thats the typical signs of coded pneumonia and stats relate american being well within human week. Despite the sterling efforts of the hospital staff the way. A big shock to the family as you can imagine because you know it wasnt as if wed been unwell before this and then you know thats compounded by the various social and cultural things that we werent able to do such as friends and Family Gathering around to i tunes to supporters. Different role that we had 3 weeks later was only b. And c. Attended by i are 10 people although we were able to resume the funeral across the world where you had many friends. And then also alongside that part separately to my father i became a well myself and. So i had to take some time off of work and i was really fortunate in that the mild. Amount disease and i wasnt particularly unwell but nonetheless within my household with wife and children i had to come of salvage isolates from them and for 7 to 10 days i had no contacts. So you know personal effects experiences of the credit scene and on the of course our professional level because im a surgeon much more than National Health. In london. To pity as its necessarily had to be severely curtailed so we cannot operate it really for the last couple Months Features essentially a hospital has been turned over to even with the 1000 patients. Any face to face consultations except in. Dire circumstances so all my clinics have been done by telephone consultants. Trial as wed be doing since a certain interaction with fewer patients so its been a its been a couple of months. Im so sorry for sure illness and condolences to you dr frank the 1st time a notice that maybe there might be something very strange going on with the number of doctors in the National Health service who appeared and medical professionals you appeared to be dying in quite large numbers for instance can you change this he says mahathir pascha hill back in april was listing not to miss hewitt dying you can hash tag n h s your s. Patrick when did you notice that something was a little bit ott. Afaik it was really. When we had the just put a lot down in the in the u. K. That was from about mid march. The bit early indications of people down a covert 19 there were that there were in the low hundreds of thousands unnoticed right towards march the seem to be increasing number of people from ethnic communities in the front line staff doctors nurses and salary staff and then later on stop work and transport and retail and at the time the government announced open these emergency field hospitals. The nurse phone starts a girl. On a lot of campaign to say hold on weve got all our black nation starving these hospitals in care and yet theres no recognition of their loss theres no recognition of their contribution to the Health Service and what you acknowledge some mary seacole who was also at the crimean war at the same time with the fans not a girl and shes and she should be recognized and the diversity and access to a whole debate. Around that and also the whole campaign and also the last few months every 1st evening at 8 oclock. But then really reflect the diversity of and the church staff at the time and it was a fantastic figure it was made. For me now and were dining. The frustration on last anetta staff who felt that still were not valid recognizing what dan lot flyers are met a comparison with a 1st war in the 1st 4 war if you are african soldier in africa or in the caribbean soldiers. Based in the europe you werent given any live ammunition or gun and how frontline staff are treated by the government necessary p. P. A. And left to die and have the proper necessary support. No i want to bring in shyster as es here shyster is talking about the impact on the british Pakistani Muslim Community covered 19 is creating great devastation and trauma here in oxford in the city that im in as it is across the country really have lost elders from our Community People who are various unloved people who came to this country the same time as my late father did they are the pioneers there were people who fought for our rights and worked very hard to make sure that we we are able to live as british muslims in the city with the infrastructure that we need they were the generation that enable muslims to bury their loved ones through islamic burials they created the infrastructure in our communities to ensure that we were able to live as british muslims are very much understand that i stand on the shoulders of giants if it wasnt for that generation i wouldnt be here now racialized inequalities a deepening across United Kingdom and covert 19 is showing this more than ever before these thoughts that people were having and and the deaths that we are actually talking about. Do we have data to explain what is going on here this im im looking here at a gully an op ed from city con as an economist saying that more than people are dying from coronavirus and we have to know why this is your work why dr shit are you available can you hear me. All right so let me go back to my conversation here and see if i can bring in john joel is from the director of the Florence Nightingale foundation and she was talking about mana idea about why brain communities are suffering more from kovac 19 this take a look. The reason why black asian a Minority Ethnic Health and social care where is are more likely to be affected by covert 900 virus is that the majority of them away from the front line in lower positions in health can set in specially many of them do not have their proper present protective equipment me quitman thirdly manages our redeploying them to covert positive areas for fully many of them do not have the confidence to say they are do you know who are safe where can intervene positive areas still to front people on each ng watching us right now and minissha daniel says i still kind of it affects all without discrimination. I wish that was the case. If it isnt the case you know theres theres a very good data to show that being a metric is your risk of dying from this virus depending on which study you look at in the painting one time scale of that study if the state is evolving all the time that either i go by the office of National Statistics during that record of may 2020 said that if you are accounted for at age. 4 times more likely to die from lung 19 then their white counterparts and if you look at an addition in the name. There were 2 point x. Ringback chances of increased chance of dying from 19 and then they went on to further. Try and. Compound the axis like Socio Economic status. In claimants where they way they lived and then they said if you take into all the confounding factor is that there had been a trial and that this is from 2000 census if you allow for this compound in fact since men still came out as twice as likely to be 19 as as a white and arts and asian communities it was. 1. 3 to 8 so in my mind there is no doubt that the in main person at increased risk of being to this virus the question is why. Is it to do with the hard line occupations that meant you need to find themselves. Occupying is it to do with the mobility such as diabetes hypertension how the mass. Of the city. So shocked so much of the opposite as. We dont know is not very comforting dr das when if your person who is black or brown living in the you can and having 19 is very much an issue there right now what do you know from the research what can you tell from the stats. So for me thank you so much for inviting me i think its very very important what we are seeing here what they dont show me and what the Previous Research that it has shown i think i would really like to start with one very important though which is the definition of a need to. Construct and social. Construct what it needs the not biological by what is going to define it the city based on skin color. And that is an important breach of the should remember what i would really like to say is that you know if you look at this particular problem to ask the 1st aspect being that looking at the prosecutor. Was just mentioning. Hypertension. Seem to be more susceptible making you susceptible to what and high oh. What i really mean. If you have. Well if you get. There is a higher chance of dying but if you have a higher chance of getting. There one has to know the difference specially and if you look at the research which we have done previous to what really see is the brain who is he just but these 3 existing conditions. Who when we come back. There might be some genotyping and we would like to find out but at the moment really dont have a convincing evidence to whats the general and the 2nd part of my answer would be to look in my mental and a lifestyle which we do know has a major impact in looking at. That in the being and if you focus on that in moment in the lifestyle thats what we do know is that this also an appreciation the social status as being. Very could indicate a nice just before snake association. So patrick as as a black man living in the u. K. Now you have a one on one you could have an epidemiologist what is the most critical question you would like to. Well i mean science is great and it has its uses but science doesnt and all the questions. I mean of the work in the n. H. S. And what the Public Health specialists and academics over the years on one work with some now actually need to look at the issues affecting the disproportional say we have to acknowledge the history of empire the impact history of conversation and the impact of everyday race and discrimination which has an impact on your physiology a human being so if youre constantly going to great to discriminate say it at school in the workplace in the public highway it has impacts on your physiology and your months well being are. Usually not knowledge what did you want to ask started as a question or do you feel that you already know the context of people who have an ethnic minority background that theyre already struggling because of those. Yes of course a doctor does so she was explained the race a social construct and we know why it was constructed in the 1st place so thats my question. Yes im im really sorry patrick i kind of missed the last night we didnt really know your question. Would you mind. Going to maybe a sentence and ask it again. My sentence is different the history of station empire and Structural Racism in society has impact on peoples lives. More but its 8 conditions. I would like to court Something Back to which is very very relevant is by angela sent me who has published books on support your opinion and she have mentioned that it is racist that kill. A bitch is so relevant and as you mentioned there could be an element of the Structural Racism which we see here unfortunately i am a genetic of it you know its our look on the jenna think and more from deputy nordica point of view so im not an expert to comment on this but what we do see is social deprivation having a big role here we do see data coming to us and it sets in and it shows that you know if you are in the news deprived you seem to be more interested and 30 percent who are in critical to her life so they seem to be some correlation here what is very important to know is that this correlation between the social economic status and. Thats been laid bare that it is very significant need to if we cant see more been dying in the 2nd down in the 2nd grade or even in future so we need to work on that so let me just add owen s. Is the office of National Statistics in the United Kingdom jayjay is on each and judge i thank you for asking this question i have exactly the same question are you aware guests if there is a connection between severe outcomes for coverage 19 with victim and d. Deficiency if youre black or brown different i have to say that my sister who lives in the you can i got lots of relatives who were in the house system day or a sending around a whatsapp video which is about take its amenity its going to help you if your dark skinned if you come from somewhere and typically you know in your heritage you would have come from africa or the middle raced take vitamin d. In thats going to help you ease to something that might be biological in our ethnic backgrounds that could make us more acceptable to covered 90 what do you know. Well oh i think taking vision in the is a good idea. Weve made known for many years. East london as an example of Something Like 75 percent of those in london in e. J. In the insufficiency and a small percentage are actually very badly treated in between the and we know that that indeed has a role in and protection against various risks nutri diseases and there was a study a small study. Just the one study from the philippines that its interlinked you want it in the status with how well go out or how did crumb the 19 we also know that if your skin is dark it takes a lot more sunlight and matters that indeed. As if you have my to ski. And so i think taking the succulents issue i think the government has said that all of this should be taken within its intention but i think youre right my in. Their. Own we dont know so the fact is that when when my says it with whats happened i went out to buy so its monday im not doing myself any harm but you dont know that as a direct action quite yet let me. Let me show you audience something that is happening now in the u. K. Have a look here on my laptop this is a british British Medical Association what were looking at is an official government review into what is happening with people of color black and brown people dying more who covert 19 and his own guns should get results very soon as the early results labor the Opposition Party is doing their own investigation and i just wanted you to a surgeon here this is good. And he thinks this report is is due to be published very soon we spoke to him earlier to see what he difference he thought that might make lets have a listen. History tells us the amount of america certain ologies in any given society and we know that in the United Kingdom. Communities are disproportionately more likely to be impacted in terms of having a greater risk of underlying condition diabetes cardiovascular problems obesity. They are poor. And therefore their exposure to current 19 risk is much higher than in similar. Quality inbox as conducted for war coverage 19 are. To ensure honestly for all of the u. K. s population. Wow he looks so tired but thanking those good points youre making there and getting you 0. 02 he said he says my question is why was the government too slow to act knowing that that they need community is the most effective dr frank youve had your own losses you had covered 19 what do you think about what did the government acting time to swallow just briefly at the end of the show now yes. I think overall not with specific reference to the French Community thats and with hindsight perhaps at some measures the importance of less. Than they were i think specifically with the bank you can see that it took a while for us to. That that there was an excess mortality. Occupation group. Was kind of appreciated and most have realized then. Measures are put into jason for example Risk Assessments doctor as well quite quite i hate it to find out that that is not quite political labor has a review the government has a review what is the most important thing that we should be thinking about right now in a sentence. I think the most important thing at the moment is to read you asked dr prance said about the Risk Assessment of our p. P. You know we need to provide all the interventions in terms of language and realty each of these communities we have to Reach Community level which the government did not manage to do in their sports with of and make and that is very very important. Thank you so much thank you guessing. Been doing amazing job of us in your questions to people who are trying to find out the answers im not sure we get the announcer as 2 people who are black and asian in the minority ethnic backgrounds they are getting coded 1000 more than anybody else in the u. K. 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