Was the u. S. Involved in the attempt to venezuela washington says it wasnt even those detained suspects seem to claim otherwise but the u. S. And most of latin america want Nicolas Maduro out of power does that mean venezuela this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program now on the 3rd of may the venezuelan government announced it had detained a group of what it called mercenaries trying to reach venezuela on speedboats along with several dozen colombians the group reportedly numbered around 50 at least 8 people were killed in the incident as the venezuelans in effect ambushed the group having apparently waited for them on shore the mission according to the government was to kill venezuelas president Nicolas Maduro and then spark a coup in caracas but others claim the plan was to adopt mr mudd doro and then take him nobody knows where a florida based Security Company has claimed responsibility for the operation which was coordinated reportedly with venezuelas opposition led by one goh i dont know but president insists the United States and specifically President Donald Trump knew about the plot from the very start. Well venezuela does have a history of mistrust when it comes to the u. S. Over alleged attempted coups back in 2002 the Bush Administration was accused of plotting to remove the then president chavez a group of generals took over the capital and forced shoppers to resign but millions of people who had elected chavez surrounded government buildings and institutions demanding their democratic rights and the release of their president within 48 hours he was back in power but all things pointed at the opposition and senior members of the white house. Ok well talk to our guest in a moment 1st lets talk to j. J. Rendon hes the president ial high commissioner and a general strategist for the government he joins us on skype from miami in florida j. J. Randon welcome to inside story as an attempted coup this failed and failed big so what did it realistically achieve i mean were going to relate it to the actions of these guys. d versus. People from november of last year so whatever they did it is worth it so its so why does El Nuevo Herald in your country say mr dueto was aware of the plans when they were being incubated he delayed and delayed and delayed and then distanced himself from what he was being told we assume via an intermediary was in the planning stages. Oh and us call for that was speech the oaken say whatever they want in reality we were allies in every a scenario possible for 3 of our country including so i was in areas that may or may be made the consideration of use of force or. To get someone deliberately just as using me and other means necessary the same way youre saying that his government considered also darias just interested for a 2nd youre saying his government considered all scenarios including a use of force did he or anybody did he or anybody from his government talk to the Security Company in florida yes so they did not under subpoena the company to a lower dollar or you. Limit sure we dont get a lot of people to idolise that ok so mr spoke directly with this Security Company in florida the same Security Company no we the Commission Talk with a lot of people to understand every a scenario yes im confused did he or did he have but its off to this kind of interfere rather. Story ball d into the conversation as it was a caracas when the job we were delegated to analyze every possible its a yes so thats a yes he did talk to the Security Company in florida though we did well i mean indirectly by us we the Commission Talk with a lot of people analyzing that and a lot of that is yes ill take that as a yes then so misnomer hero get a yes that is all the press it was not leading any conversation to having any meetings we we the commission would do and. Mr now has 2 high value americans in custody what do you think youll do with. I mean they i believe that in this particular case he works there well but we dont speak anything like we dont have any they should we through the go through the last year torturing people killing people disappearing davao not even a fair trial at all so what we dont know is it tiring is that dictatorship is a critical state so we dont know doesnt this mean this is good. Upon me for interrupting again doesnt this make your man mr garrido look bad by association youve told us now as part of our conversation just let me finish the point youve told us now as part of this conversation that you and i are having that you and your people do talk to everyone and anyone about a potential use of force you have not categorically denied that you spoke emphatically with the Security Company in florida by Association Mr y. That i am behind me by association surely mr goh i dont look tainted here yes of yes we all look bad the light of the situation because roper so good a rope or d it should but himself even if weve not related to the operation beat we sitting with him over november last year even if we never talk with him again yes it looks absolutely mr and and good to talk to you thank you very much. If you are. Ok as promised lets get the thoughts of our main guests today joining us out of miami. The former mayor of chicago district an opposition stronghold in caracas in venezuela in denver we have assayas medina a member of the council of labor todd a self described Libertarian Party in venezuela and in mclean virginia we have pedre but really a latin America Political analyst and managing director of b. Plus v. Advisors a Business ManagementConsultancy Group gentlemen welcome to you all s. E. s medina in denver 1st mike pompei oh the u. S. Secretary of state says we were not involved if the states wasnt involved who was. Very interesting and thank you very much peter and thanks to our just here for its continued interest in the menace one cos in my opinion the us was not evil and i will give you 3 evidence that i have found in it that would explain that for example 1st cleaver a collab was indicted by the us and he himself in social media talked about this contract in april 26th before surrendering he self to the da he confess one month prior to these acts of failed action of the existence of the signed contract 2nd that same day colombia ceased its weapons that were on route to rio ocho where this operation was concentrated i would believe at this point that the american and colombian message it was very loud and clear not to pursue they all their evidence for sure would be that this cia has met several times would silvercorp in jamaica osberg connecting vets dot com and had told them not to pursue this action their final i think evidence is very clear when a. P. Published an article before they fail that tent on covering these blueprints of the military action there in my humble opinion if they us was ever to be involved in such an action they result would be completely opposite to what happened and we probably would be talking about a different situation right now ok lets go to rome a church in miami run in a church and were talking about this Security Firm based in miami run by one or 2 former u. S. Green berets i noticed today their website has been taken before it was taken there were reports of claims that the web site was a figment of somebodies imagination literally they had copied and pasted from different secure. Company websites and on top of that the guy that runs the Company Claims to have had conversations with people high up in washington does the company that allegedly organized this whole thing have any credibility at all beyond being able to employ and deploy muscle on the borders of venezuela well thank you thank you for this opportunity let me start by saying that i completely agree with what is a yes were saying this and that theres a lot of every day is that led us to you know the thing that the u. S. The u. S. Government was not directly in will in these a ration in any case they may have tried to alert or or can counsel in some way these operation i think its clear that the u. S. Government thought it was not a good idea going to your question this whole firm sooner of course its its seems like a very very small i want to manage show a one man company i dont think have credibility nor their resources to walk with that in a regime like this one seems leg base guy was able to convince some people are rom president way though some people and hes thing that he will be able to do something more like bigger or stronger that was not big kate and for me thats the reason why proceeding way when he steam stopped talking to him last year and they never pursue they never went where we had a contract. Pettable rally in mclean virginia this was surely just a completely barking mad bombing idea from the get go if youve got a ragtag collection of colombians being orchestrated trained and run by 2 or 3 formerly u. S. Green berets in theory the possibility was always there that they would end up squaring off against hundreds of thousands literally a Venezuelan Military it was never going to work. Yeah but peter i think war has not been explained to your broader audience and i think by be confusing for them to understand is the stages i what i think is this is a situation in which 8 countries being held hostage and theres an attempt to. To free it and the head goes from maybe a badly identified company as a contractor that disappears that contractor continues to work with a ragtag group of british one military officers who have left that israel are in colombia that group gets its arms taken over by the United States and its leader arrested by the United States and then they could team you on to a next phase so in the 3rd phase what were watching is a collapse of the for things. A 3rd face which probably went from something which were trying to work for the legal government of venezuela for the legitimate government as well and that has a mandate to get. Out of the seat of power and it ends up with a botched operation by a group of mercenaries probably turning to bounty hunters because what changed between november they dont remember when there were conversations with this company and elements of the legitimate government as well and now is that the United States court a 15000000. 00 bounty on muggles head and the 10000000. 00 about the and 2 of his main psychic so what i think happened is that this individuals who are dying to get into the business who fail to get engaged by the legitimate government would try to get engaged or work to cooperate with dissident military by the way chevy stuff does in a military this are not democratic miller you know these were disaffected chevys us who do not like model were trying to get rid of that fails when the United States this robs that plan and they go after a 15000000 plus a 10000000 plus another timea so its a pretty sizable dog and i thought and what i think happened was that they were completely infiltrated and this was absolutely before nish crazy operation by bounty hunters what is the evolution of this fraud i rescue of the country you know exploring options legitimate options to ending up with this charade ok thanks for the clarity on the timeline ing of that if you will a c. S. Medina in denver is missed im a do road maybe begin this up as well because the week before this happened there was a big riots in a big well known prison in venezuela 46 people were killed 70 people were injured. He wants that off the front page and along comes aggressively diplomatic gold for him so he can withdraw to the president ial palace and say everyones getting at me again yes it will without a doubt this operation was a chronicle of an ambush foretold and all there of mother who does castro narco communism schemes they have had the chevys to klan infiltrating in the opposition government of one way though from the get go posting as a democratic chevy smoke which is an oxymoron chavis much should be banned like naziism was in germany after the war in my humble opinion with all due respect the biggest mistake from one white bill has been up to date doing volved chappie star drug traffickers and people involved in corruption in any strategy. And for your kind of a hard for example both with us indictments for Money Laundering and Drug Trafficking i handle bit thank all investigating several jurisdictions for grand corruption supposedly siding with white though according to the Washington Post another double agent infiltrated in the opposition would be sesac all manner of bipartisan bagmen as for his own public letter declare being an acquaintance of both Leopoldo Lopez and a year whose mother was 2nd in command that 1st failed mark attempt was it april 30th where asked when why though and libelled a lump is where both 2 seem to have an agreement we convicted of sussing Michael Moreno and by the no lobbyist what the 1st one president of the illegitimate malodorous puppet course and the 2nd mother was defense minister ok to pose that lead to overthrow the butcher of motherhood of forgiveness we know never happened and they were fooled by Double Agents again understood but that has yet the double agent part of it that claim has yet to be substantiated but i just want to move the discussion on in a slightly different. Because we are heading towards the end the program run on the chatter in miami i mean there are elements out there to this that you couldnt make up i mean if you wrote it in a an airport novella somebody would say no thats too much rowan craft craft as in the cheese family the cheese empire he reportedly according to the Washington Post and the New York Times was approaching his friends because hed been approached by the Security Company in florida to finance this because he allegedly thought oh if we are involved in toppling the duros we get 1st dibs on the oil and gas contracts and you couldnt make this up. I dont know its part of the you know its part of the drama we have seen scenes like these guys from super corps was able to convince some people that he was able not only to do the operation but he but to raise that funding himself and that for me. It crazy idea but let me take your these are returning to your question to point out the most important thing here venezuela remain at threat for the whole region this is not a problem that we will be sol among private companies or Security Companies or with the private it read our private army its no way thats not the way to resolve our problem the only way is for the wrongest democracies in america that you wear cologne to get to gather big little boy bayley my dilema group get together and exerts wrong pressure or about the little and even consider the uses of most of the use of military force were not this is not time for joe this is no time for crazy adventures its time for diplomacy its time for politics its time to say a country that its not only not all this think degrading but its threatening the baby of a whole continent starting with colombia what including the us ok and thats a fair point isnt it petru but really in mclean you know mr magoo rose supporters his sympathizers would always say the same thing they would say hes always been on the receiving end of a particular kind of antagonism but the reality is as we said at the top of the show here on inside story most of latin america wants him gone and they would say we want him gone with good reason. Most of it as well as what had gone i mean i think in any country in which somebody presides over the structure of 80 percent of the g. D. P. Of a country or the structure of the entire private sector and actually to boot the destruction of the oil sector which was really the seed and what is meant dangerous country being what it was and actually the chinese the revolution being able to do what it attempted to do to buy influence around the world means that it was not producing 500000 barrels of oil and as no gasoline we used to export guess what i was on the board of the oil company you know we were a very large exporter of gasoline the United States and were producing 3300000 barrels of oil versus 8500000 so most people want this man that this man is not just incompetent hes crimble and this is a fundamental problem where you agree with joe weve got to fight the problem and then find the solution the error in the world is that you you make a diagnostic based on something that you wish is whats going on in there and then you find a solution for that youre never going to dialogue and its been proven that out of 10. 00 in with moto that you can sit down with a market trafficker and that is going to give up he has nothing to gain from a negotiation yes everything to gain from Holding Onto Power so my sense is yes there is a problem here a problem that has to be so very differently and by the way the United States which has been very committed to the subject in terms of discourse and some actions has to understand that when you put a bounty on somebodys head you going to get this crazy kind of operation and theyre wanting a slightly school show petrus want to hit the pause button on you there for a 2nd if i may forgive my bad manners lets go back to c. S. Medina in denver s. E. s medina the reality here is that mr material has too high a value americans you know weve all seen the video tapes now post in terror. Ation that does not play well in an Election Year in the United States of midsomer duros has got leverage where will he try to go with that leverage because this is a man hes a political survival like him or not he survives economic downturn he survived economic turmoil he survived political pressure. Well he does have the best advisers in history for the wrong reason on their dark side which are russia china iran and cuba so for sure he has survived it because hes got 70 years of experience of rogue actors and rogue states but in my opinion these could become his last and biggest mistake to do to meddle and to play around with former soldiers u. S. Soldiers in venezuelan territory regardless of that they have done he now has to follow up the rules of the of course the due process and hes got he also has to. Be able to send him back home although wise hes given one more reason as legal reason for the u. S. To act they should already be acting under article 51 of the u. N. Charter for the legitimate selfdefense because they are not only a present at risk to the National Security the u. S. Colombia and brazil but also to the maintenance of peace and security in the region and the world so in my opinion yes what we need is a plan colombia to activate the da agreement and extract these universal enemies to activate the International Monetary corporation by invoking divinest well and article 2871111 of the constitution and to comply with a Supreme Court order that has ordered why though to seek an International Humanitarian intervention with military support since that position of 2017 ok lets go back to rome and much much in miami would it be easier for the United States if they got rid of the 15000000. 00 price tag on the door of his head because all 3 of you have said the same thing if youve got a price tag on the dictators head people will try and follow the money and thats what silva called the Security Company out of florida have clearly tried to do and its detonated in their face and its blown the world of diplomacy up in the air surrounding the whole venezuela issue. You know well i dont know always that its a real possibility you know one thing is that u. S. Government and the transmutes ration are not different thing its a u. S. Justice department and it. And you know and and they say the whole Justice System that its prosecuting crime may go at him a little and hes friends are of indictive right now so i dont know if thats a possibility but i dont think that putting a price on his hair or removing that prize will change things adequately i think the problem remains the same nicoleta modo its using military force against venezuelans to remain in power he has been able and he will continue to be able to remain in power even. After hundreds of thousands there or lare or leave the country he may he is able to resist because there is no way there is not the needs more important for them for their government the regime down to stay in power indefinitely so again they were all marked column 2 together and unite to resole the venezuelan issue its not a problem of them vanish along people all the but its a problem for the whole region and for the whole war gentlemen a really revealing conversation today on inside story thank you so much for talking to us they were i guess they will hear him on the truck show the c. S. Medina and pedro but early on thank you to for your company you can see the show again on the web site aljazeera dot com and for further discussion to check up a Facebook Page thats facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story from also join the conversation on twitter thats at a. J. 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