I am for the extremely long continuous stream 100 listening of the past few days weve been looking at how different functions in one of the 290. Anyways and what she chances who was. Who was not down. Against her. Was a woman he stood in the street while in. Residence. I meant. Greetings from stockholm sweden where life is not under lockdown im currently at a park which is bustling with families and kids out on a sunday afternoon. The while were not under lockdown its not really true that life is proceeding as normal for example since the middle of march ive been working from home and i think that most people are probably taking this seriously and thats been my experience there with exceptions for example my neighbors last weekend decided it would be appropriate to have a multigenerational Birthday Party where there were little kids and grandparents as well you know while i appreciate my liberty and my freedom to move. I wonder if maybe were not making the sacrifices that we needed to make to save lives. And certainly from the numbers. If you can persuade and with other countries in Northern Europe we are doing much worse. Is this a good Long Term Strategy im not sure. And he lives in sweden i know that you have questions as well and the way to the new concerns is to jump into chat. And you can be part of the straight meet. That youre the incident. Hi ira. And im a reporter at the swedish newspaper. Been reporting about the coronavirus in the whole war world and in sweden for millions of readers and been answering their questions as well. We look forward to your expertise hello and isa. Hi im helen thank you for having me im a professor of Political Science at Upsala University in sweden where im following this from a political and ethical perspective most for. The japanese and. Delisted and you our genealogy c gs. Am and my chance to join in epidemiology working at. 230 in stockholm and im also a Science Writer as i also try to explain to people whats going on which means we. Werent doing guests. Or ladies uncertainty to hear from our own our constituents who to be looking at. This is one of the senses that. This is a many lot on t. V. And isnt not easy. It is not exactly. What love is like. In sweden. Well as to say we havent adopted a strict lockdowns but mention before low president really that usually if we do have recommendations and some regulations as well. Were not allowed to to meet more than pretty persons at the same time and there is a ban for example visiting Nursing Homes where the elderly and to sum it up with these recommendations and and rules are of course. The governments and the Public Health agencies way of. Battling the coronavirus and the goal is the same as in other countries as well yes we havent adopted a strict law that one thats many of. My not animate and not should not know is the well done and i want to do right. Now but i agree its very i think its very important for people around the world are stamberg there are some restrictions in sweden because now people other countries. Starting to talk to some districts chance i think its important to understand. The measures taken in swill down our track and that the goal of them missed your. Subjects is a car distancing between people and getting the elderly to flatten the currents some distance. Quite close to what other countries are trying to achieve but will might be trying to achieve it in a different with my recommendations instead of a harsher measurements and. Restrictions why. Do you need to from. Huge fences the rest of us and were not. Yeah. There and think there are some politico and lugo there are reasons for this its not very easy to restrict. People here in srinagar we are so her history our high trust in the authorities there are samples for instance when cancer in other parts of europe there are people who are very system managing their children and people are skeptical who are as certain for instance that accident and against me as souls in sweden we have noncompulsory and x. Nation but still there are 7 percent of all children are fully vaccinated so we had this kind of her culture in trust india or georges and following him directly meant mendacious and so i think thats part of the return however to business of course a very special situation or not i dont really know. Which measurements work the best so you know its new ground for everyone so its difficult as point and see whether the is recommendations are enough or not and let me bring you into the conversation is the noted example to which is rather than under. Explaining what would be able to be about today and inch and a crewman finest hour when they says its important to me doesnt legally pose a lockdown as seen in other countries within the debate goes on that paragraph in the constitution and then nick says this is an important part of this discussion often gets left out so. Easy a legal team each not having not out was not a coaching think actually you dont need a lot of very sensible. Older has i would say and i think i had. An endless arguments then and there and you. Oh yeah yeah yes sure ed i would say its its a combination of both culture and f f favored interpretation of the constitution. Yeah i can stop there but the vet would wanted to Say Something sorry anyway i wanted to add that there has been some law changes in case the government says a trip to close down schools for example. And we are reminded all the time that if. If they feel that its necessary there might be more restrictions as closing down schools for example and there has been changes for example that High School Students and University Students arent allowed to earth are in their their education is now understands and theyre doing a lot of. An emotion and arent exactly arent visiting the university essence or. Not snotty comments in the cheap commit section not ample in this month nothing says stop romanticizing speed is approach i live and i have heard from Health Care Workers not anachronisms used and Safety Measures in essence dont. Respond. The. Thing is. Nobody really. Our if our strategy back so far i think we have to be humble and im not trying to ruin one to size the swedish approach and we definitely see we have higher rates compared to our neighboring countries and we have church definitely. Elderly so the strategy. Has been to europe flatten the courage to make sure that people needing help are is. Capacity of the Healthcare System but also protecting the elderly and unfortunately we have not been able to do that so much of the high death rates in sweetness explained by this virus actually just you need to know. This is a has been an issue here and. The last surgeon to pull the homes for the elderly the real target nineteenths you need is not. So. Every day we have a press conference where the Public Health agency and they update us about. The nearly infected numbers and the new debt and during this press Conference Press conferences they also repeatedly repeatedly say that this is this is a failure and. Many Nursing Homes actually have. The virus in their homes and that many of the deaths are people who are over 70. And all their recommendations are. Very thorough when it comes to people over 70 and like i said before the i think the most strict bound that we. Have gotten during this pandemic is the visiting Nursing Homes that is actually for britain which is one of the few things actually that is there for a bit and now in sweden. We will bring in just one he is the one who had 1000. To since the stock hunted reach herd immunity by. Im just wondering what a somebody who is really. Was. Explaining the immunity to you and me even as much. Oh oh this is a huge question right now in sweden and yes i would say from my point of view that they have avoided using the term herd immunity in fact are a sheaf danial its a pretty mean its. Said that he wanted to avoid the term because he. Said that that would imply that we came up against this virus so at one point he actually said that they are not using that term and also. Consistently not using that term but if you look at the actions and the consequences of their actions. The transmission is allowed and they have also claimed that they want to have a certain degree of transmission to or as they say the side effect would be a kind of herd immunity and the figures ive seen and that they floated has been just like this like 25. 00 or 30 percent in may and that is clearly its going to happen as it looks now from. The. Tests we have right now. So. Its its a logistical goossens and who knew. Lassie restrictions are fast 50 people gathered boxes in terms of crime and i live here my partner has to go to work every day so. Whats. New is not. What in the audience used to be 1. 192 on her. Yeah well everybodys at asked to restrict their number of social contacts so even if. You know artists bannister. Under 50 people people are still at a toll to limit their social contacts and the elderly people of the 70 years old are told to limits. All of their social contacts as you can and not to meet grandchildren there so i think its kind of a misconception that the swedes i do we need very much differently compared to countries we are trying to flatten the curve and the elderly there but i mean go to france as you heard previously at least at your action you nuts trying to stop the virus and spreading nearly slowed. The process. And even go do your point as it is here and we are not going to be stuck with it if there were trying to. Slow down the spread of it sold that the Health Care System will be able to manage it and theyve heard immunity is a side effect of this and possibly a Positive Side effect because it just will in the long run mean that this virus will stop spreading in the population. To have to see their own crew concerned to suit who. Needs the policy of this from stuff like that and all got together all those and over an editorial and newspaper one of them is. Ones own since at least one. More so than xm. Sweden is nowhere near her immunity and nor is starcom we have intense clusters of infected people and people with antibodies but in the general population also within starcom its very low a few percent only and this is in spite of the fact that sweden has very high birth numbers compared to the other scandinavian countries in the last week that was measured sweden had 501 deaths where is norway had 11 deaths and this means that herd immunity is not at all a means to acquire any kind of solution to this epidemic. Yes im just wondering how popular an opinion that is im sure another one in here on today this is clovis our silver clearly suggesting that we tackle this again and this is a fascinating conversation that will happen my march and clearly lives in sweden and he says to the Biggest Challenges of 19 elderly. Men that youve been looking at and he and his lessons are being learned as all countries over its been quite successful no density of that new can speaking to the public and they think this is a good idea. Well i think that you can say that many swedes trust the government and they trust the agencies and theyre. Trying to do their best to follow their recommendations and the regulations that we have many people that. Write to us at the time not that are really worried. And wonder if theyre doing the right thing if theyre following the rules some of their also are. A bit hard to implement and to be sure that theyre doing the right thing a lot of people are so concerned that they have to go to work even though they are for example a high risk group. So of course there are a lot of questions about the strategies and. Differing from many other countries spurt. I do think that a lot of swedes. Just try to follow the rules and and hope that theyre doing the right thing to think you know that and the. Legal scientists neuroscientists know just. Recently i think that. No one is really sure about the right strategy and the. Government and the agencies are are saying this all the time that were not sure that were doing the right thing but this is what we believe in as a strategy so i think thats good to keep in mind. I think this is important nothing is important to him at this the conversation thank you arent also his and nugent adding this in. The left the well of whether the sleaze approach. Doesnt sound good point thank you for that and then i want you need one just a little bit and it isnt whats in many questions its really a while. She needs a work because agents who have more neednt be spent in the death toll will be high early on and not as young as it was like it was no negative effect on that colony i guess time will tell on you in some peoples lives. Dont it and. Is it a gamble thats going on is your question is in question is it women who are having a hard have shot. Or where dad or as you can hear it we have a difficulty with that connection well it turns out i dont care if you try one time again when people say lessens the. Where i think that what arab countries are doing right now are there will be. Economic costs there will also be people dying and i think its very important also to look at the long especially if theyre heard previously air regency higher death rates this wilderness territory or neighboring countries which some people argue. These countries have strict on measures there are many merrily phoning this epidemic so its very important to consider it will be there how in the long run not only the economic costs or what but he seemed countries where real. Lockdowns you know increase in Domestic Violence we have seen some countries canceling their imagination probably programs to to build the side effects of these stricter measures so i think its very important to remember that the e. U. Law we could reduce the rate is in short term where nobody really knows what will be the best strategy in the long run not only. When it comes to the financial and the economy but also when it comes to your Public Health issues. I dont want to glutes you havent a hoot is looking to start until he proves lucy. Its. Only in regard. To someone. Who is a. Well done. The same of you thank you for bringing up that question because when we talk about who who are the hardest hit in sweden right now of course its the elderly and i have perhaps another complementing explanation to why the elderly are harder than other groups since we know right now but if we talk about the minority groups in sweden we can just have as an example. I know on the private initiative in made the march and late march 1st. Time they thought were providing communications and information in different languages that could reach out to ethnic minorities and we have a large group of ethnic minorities in sweden and the discourse if we could say the whole were all talk from the authorities in the beginning was that. As they called it they behaved in a certain kind of way and ive heard it too in this show from my from my cope with this offense that they rely on swedes to act in a certain crying a way follow the rule. Respecting the authorities and yes sure but we also have groups in sweden that. Spend time with each other in their everyday lives in perhaps a different way than than the authorities counted on one to a hash or im going to. Be entered. In sweden might well because of your luck it is it was. I dont hope like it and i dont think its working and the measure i have on that is our Staggering Amount of deaths and the excess deaths so you can see that fact its not working out say. All right this is a conversation because even sweden doesnt want luck and they will if they need to change the election if they threw money to cities all of china its none of the one of us who loves the us a she did participate in an unseemly how good outcomes. Was just stated by one of us one of us a much means one in the how you do that which. Is the sooner you think we should cover not down he can see that some of us i suggest you make this one see that indeed this was not a time he could as we have looked at the swedish responses and can make the point youre going to im going to ask around for a coolest against session wasnt going to be a fun one consequence including thinking its in 6. Hours. Business leaders just want to buy the brass pot. If youre from. 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