I am feeling ok and your industry in america is making headlines by the way it is handling the Global Pandemic what does it mean for brown and black people today we can pass stories and stats and stories about Racism Health care and the coronavirus you can jump in that conversation you can weigh in on the new cheve fest i want you to meet the guests Nicole Hannah jensen welcome to the stream introduce yourself to our international audience. And the fabric of New York Times magazine covering racial inequality in r. And the creator of the fix the 1000 private sector to happy and. Tell us who you are i am dr sarah barber im a social epidemiologist and faculty member object so university of the door its a School Public health that are made of epidemiology and biostatistics by Research Studies that links between Structural Racism and Health Inequalities in the United States and brazil. So good to have you im going to start the stats im actually going to start with a story about gary fowler now his father died a culvert 19 and so did gary but not until he had gone to 3 separate hospitals saying ive got 19 symptoms they are tending the way he died in his chair at home now we know this story because his son spoke out about it. People are being pushed around their families. Mind. Easy Getting Better every day. Nicole this is a story that sums up what we are talking about today and the tension to tell us why. Yes because we know that in the United States black americans are not only contracting the virus at a disproportionate rate by are dying a disproportionate rate and in many places merrick lee black people are counting for the majority are called the 19 deaths even though black people are only 13 percent of the population so when we see a story like that which came out of detroit we understand that its not just that black are getting the disease and suffering from the disease but that black people are not being treated equally when they are coming to hospitals and there is a long history of this we have seen it for centuries our black people did this bridge treatment throughout the Health Care System and that is that the point of getting a deadly virus. Theres a story that you can tell so about a woman who went into american see at. The hospital and she was turned away as well tells another story yes so i was actually on an interview for a canadian Radio Station and the story was that the because a cousin was actually telling the story of her cousin down in atlanta who literally went. To the e. R. Of 3 times saying she had shortness of breath saying that she felt she had the symptoms and being turned away and again just as nicola said this is not new weve seen these kinds of mistreatment these biases this discrimination that happens within the Health Care System time and time again if you just look at for example Maternal Mortality those rates in africanamerican women that are much higher death rates that are much higher for africanamerican women and people cite discrimination people say not being listened to as reasons that they are not treated the same within the Health Care System so you know i could go on and on about the stories that ive seen you know in the news or in their personal stories about just literally people being turned away from treatment and its just not ok. And family i think its important to point out that this is a lot of people with a its just poverty and its because black people are more likely to be poor and more people get lesser treatment but this these are the facts we see them no matter the income or educational level of black americans and what we do know is that you out this them black people are not believed when they prove that when they present with some tell they are often not given the extra treatment that white americans get and it doesnt matter if they are talking about a low income black person or welfare black perfect. I didnt want to start was a number because i wanted to start with people so people could hear the pain of the stories about being turned away not getting the treatment but lets tackle some numbers here im going to looking at louisiana for instance they have a population thats 30 percent africanamerican 1956 percent in michigan 30 percent africanamericans 41 percent because its 19 deaths you dont need to be statistician cannot appreciate that and you say that this is nothing new that we have seen this before that is he still has that and that really speaks to. Ashley Ashley Shelton shes the founder and executive director at equity and justice and shes been dealing with these figures for so long and she says its not a surprise here in louisiana we know that africanamericans are on 7 to one and i think that we have to ask our leaders to really look at the data and analysis that is existed for years that looks at you know the structural and systemic racism that belies so many of the policies in our country that have trapped africanamericans in a cycle of poverty and criminalization that has not allowed to Access Health care living wage jobs and paid sick leave all of the things that were seeing really important during this time not. Sure hell when we look at those numbers as the ones that we have so. What are they telling you about where we are in America Today yes i know thats a really good point so what ill say is that you know back in march before the numbers even began to emerge me and some of my colleagues wrote a piece called racism in a time of covert 19 because we knew based on history based on the fact that blacks are already dying at higher rates from every major cause of death in this country that pick the kohen 1000. 00 pandemic would be no different and so what it says to us is that we have not dealt with the americas original sin which is slavery which. So eloquently lays out in the 161000 project weve not dealt with that and then that then has permeated all the systems all the structures that exist and that shortens the lives of black folks in this country so that even Just Health Care we have to think about things like racial residential segregation the legacy of red lining which is kind of the disinvestment that is happening in these communities for decades we have to talk about that again the lower wage. Limits education was always job and so many of our low wage essential were. Are disproportionately black and latino right so we have to have to talk about those issues and they dont have the protections right there being sit into their jobs without the proper proper personal protective equipment to keep them from being exposed and then not only impacts them as individuals it impacts their families and the communities they have to return to so this is a long. Structural issue there interlocking systems of injustice and racism that were seeing play out so starkly when were seeing these higher death rates in our in black communities if i could just add i think we need to always be careful when we say things i am not surprised by this because no it is not sacking but when we say that then we just accept that theyve been carried but no it is it is shocking. It is it should be a new look at Norfolk Virginia every Single Person who has died from coal that has been black in st louis every Single Person was dying from coal that has been black that should shock all of us because of course what we were told was always virus is the great equalizer doesnt matter your raise your social class it affects us all the same well that is demonstrably not true who are the people most likely to work in public facing Service Sector jobs or the people who have to take Public Transit who are the people who could not. Be sheltering in place you know they theyre not sheltering in place ive been sheltering in place for 6 weeks now because i work that type of job these are are disproportionately black and brown and particularly black and brown women and that matter but its also the force segregation in these communities which means that black and brown particularly black people are living in very densely segregated neighborhoods so when someone does get this they bring this back to a segregated community and it read a lot faster but then when you have the least Level One Trauma Centers in black communities we have health care death its in black communities so youre more likely to get sick and then less likely to have access to care. Im going to because he choose via strength i want everyone to see and that is a strength that Nicole Hanna Jones wrote in response to everybody saying because it 19 is the great equalizer it can get any of us and those of you just explaining really get some. People so it is not the great equalizer and you choose. A they found another way to get rid of us ok. Black people. She says gaily how do we know the numbers are being recorded accurately that is a very or the numbers for 1000 anywhere in the world who knows if theyre accurate. I dont take that one yes one thing as we know that theres under testing because we know that were only right now doing diagnostic testing were not doing widespread surveillance so the overall numbers are being under counted as well as numbers in terms of that are broken down by race so we also know there are states that are local communities are collecting data on race so we have to definitely and thats why so many folks are pushing for this data based on race we make sure that we are able to make the invisible visible if you will. Know where you know we have these issues but in addition to race we also need to be thinking about smaller levels of geography but because i think for example zip code communities because this is also what tell us about the structural ways in which covert 19 is disproportionate impact in certain communities. Let me put this one to you this is turkey neck on you tube why are blacks always feeling sorry for themselves there was a report that hispanics are equally as affect it. Well one im not even going to deal with the 1st part of bad question because i think its ridiculous but to latino those are not were not actually seeing data that is matching black america and so in most places that we have seen racial data coming out black people are over represented in a way that latinos are now in new york city latino males had about the same rates as black americans but what people need to understand is in new york city many latinos are also black in a way that you dont necessarily see that in other parts of the country this isnt about black people feeling sorry for themselves we have data and the data is very clear who is dying disproportionately who is getting infected this proportionately and to say we need to actually figure out why that is and know this so that we can send the resources to the proper community we know whos getting tested and its not the communities that are being hurt the most by this thats not dealing sorry thats just the facts and the reality on the ground and the whole premise of the question is actually a little ridiculous. In terms of testing so for example 2 communities that ive heard of in recent weeks one in st louis in a predominately black community where the federally qualified Health Center literally received only test 5 test for the whole community and this was from a pastor who pastors near ferguson. In missouri and then in the mississippi dont they were also have colleagues another federal mississippi delta poor black folks in the north of jackson again federally qualified Health Center only receive 5 test and they didnt even have a place to send them for proper processing so when were talking about these testing discrepancies theyre rio and theyve left out so many of our communities. Well the question i write it is when when when we were talking about italy or spain and the high number of the death there no one was asking well why are italians feeling sorry for themselves or why are spanish people just feeling sorry for themselves this racialized. Who is the serving of our sympathy and who is not speaks to why black people are suffering at the highest rates right now because before we got raised data people were blameless victims who were worthy of our thing but the and now we want to know why a black people complaining that theyre dying thats thats where we are. Let me share this with you this is am a. I am a thank you everybody a new chief of weighing in here and it is just a matter of racism i want to take you to the tweet on. Twitter feed and she will just cool out this time demick as its just racism. Quickly than ive just done but racism and then i have to shave his head and im with you so much in general singles out people of color to stop alcohol drugs in kozik 19 fight so it was a sort of pep talk and a sort of lecture. Peoples clothes being impacted by kozik 19. Nicole you can. You comment 2nd. Again its speaks to the way that in this country our sympathies change when we believe that black people are the faith of the virus you did not see the Surgeon General lecturing americans about personal behavior that had nothing to do with the virus whether or not you do drugs or drink have nothing to do with the virus and by the way they were show that black people actually use drugs at a lower rate than white americans but as soon as the data comes out that black people are suffering at the highest rates then it becomes a lecture about personal responsibility were no longer all in this together its up to these communities to stop doing. Things that are harmful that is the racial legacy that we live with and that is why you now see these protests to open up the country right now that we know that its black people mostly dying the question is why should white americans be suffering economically for black death we need to be very very nervous about the way the conversation has changed now that we know who the people are who are dying. Yes so yes just the Surgeon Generals just fell into this trap of blaming the victim if you will you know its really unfortunate because we know again the structural issues the systemic racism that is impacted by communities for for centuries in this country so to shift the blame is not only you know its a not only about narrative but it also driven means that we can wash our hands of responsibility of sending the proper resources to black communities of the making sure that those who are most vulnerable to this pandemic get what they need in order not to die so it actually also shift the blame and so the federal government doesnt have to respond state governments dont have to local governments dont have to respond and they leave black communities fending for themselves in the middle of a pandemic and thats really telling of how much we see certain communities as disposable in this country. Yeah i like that you talked about fending for themselves miss vital survival is saying. When she says welcome black people to do to become less dependent on the systems that leave us out like food and Education Health health care i mean this is you know this is your journalism. Yeah i think thats not the proper question i mean yes certainly there are things that black people can try to do i eat healthier but these are structural issues then land and its not to take away our agency but its to understand that simply saying of black people did these things differently are 13 percent of the population in this country we have more than twice the poverty rate of white americans we. Yahoo news lets take you now to the white house for president. Taking questions about the current us were doing more testing than any other country in the world by far which we we just discussed over in the oval office so were going to show more cases because were doing much much more testing double anybody else somebody said if you add everybody else combined that would be a number and it will be at the the appropriate time it will be down to 0 like we. Times saying that the number of cases would go up but after unity spread well as awkward as hell yeah yeah warning about this also experts many very good experts very good people too said that this would never affect the United States it wouldnt affect europe it wouldnt affect anything outside of china and so we were listening to experts and we always will listen to experts but the experts got it wrong a lot of people got it wrong and a lot of people had no idea it would be this is a listen to experts ill tell you what i did something that the experts thought i should have done i closed down our country and our borders i did a ban on china from coming in other than u. S. Citizens and we did very strong checks on even our u. S. Citizens run dissenters was tell me before that when they came in people were put into quarantine people were checked and were doing that now so yeah i think we did something well ahead of schedule that we did that at the end of january people were talking about this wouldnt have an impact as you know even into march so. I think weve done a great job in the sense that we were early i think set by by banning china by banning china and banning people coming in who would have been very heavily infected we probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives so that im very proud your place. Of. Payments to american taxpayers directly democrats of course up on the hill are talking about the idea of a guaranteed income which obviously could go on for months and months and months what about another round overall id like to do the payroll tax cuts id like that from the beginning that was the thing that i really would love to see happen a lot of economists would agree with me a lot of people agree with me and i think frankly its simple its not the big distribution and it would really be an incentive for people to come back to work and for employers to hire the. Double tax on the company and also on the person and thats what i like and Something Like that could happen also i think you have to look because a lot of people are talking to assume your next question will be about states and stephen i talk about it and i talk about it with michonne with kavana with everybody and the problem with the states is were not looking to recover 25 years of bad management and to give them the money that they lost its unfair to other states now if its covert related i guess we can talk about it but wed want certain things also including sanctuary city adjustments because we have so many people in sanctuary cities which i dont even think of popular even by radical left folks because whats happening is people are being protected that shouldnt be protected and a lot of bad things are happening with sanctuary cities but thats just standing up here answering this question thats one of the things i think about going to do something for the states i think they probably want a something having to do with sanctuary cities something having to do with other different points that we can discuss a little bit later on yeah. Jeff go ahead please if the president youre going to file an executive order today about the packing plant effects liability for them what efforts or what measures are you looking at for liability for other industries and other what we havent been talked about it hasnt been asked on other industries yet but with the meat packing and with the transportation we have had some difficulty where they having a liability thats really unfair to them and were going to be doing that i think mark were going to be doing that fairly soon its getting there its getting drawn up i should be signing that over the next hour or so taking the liability which frees up the entire system and i fully understand it not their fault please go ahead now and over here for us for us. What we discussed there a little earlier today are you considering asking your alliance to test passengers. In International Law for them its the file you were looking at doing it on the International Flights coming out of areas that are heavily and infected as you know brazil is getting to that category i think theyre going to be ok i hope theyre going to be oks a very good friend of mine but the president but i think that were going to look at it from the standpoint i was discussing that with the governor of florida with iran a little while ago so were going to be looking at that coming in from other countries frankly but south america seems to be one that sucks about because they have so much business going into florida with all of that being said floridas done incredibly well and theyre starting to open up and open up very rapidly but we will be looking into that in the very near future were looking at a very strongly. Either the airlines or government one of the other were working with the airlines maybe its a combination of. Kristen and some Health Experts us 5. Per day by june in order to see fully reopen you and bill the plan yesterday and it will increase nothing but not by that much why not if you get to that it will increase it and it will increase it by much more than that in the very near future were way ahead of everyone testing we havent been given the press in terms of i think fairness of the press but thats ok and thats why i appreciated the the statement before by yahoo. Be we are way ahead on testing we are the best in the world on testing weve tested much more than anybody else times 2 or every country combined weve tested more than every country combined and they keep talking about south korea and im very friendly as you know with president moon who just had a great victory in new victory as were very happy about it but he will tell you how well the United States has done in testing and he told me that very strongly the quality of our test is the best and the number is the best now with all of that being said we will be going to an even higher number and it goes up exponentially and i told you that we inherited a very broken test a broken system and a broken test and within a short period of time we were setting records so we have set records weve done more than the entire world combined weve done more than any other country in the world so i think weve done a really good job now with that being said not everybody feels as strongly about testing as others we have some governors that are very strong in testing we have other governors frankly that arent nearly as strong on testing their tests is. Much more modest and their real test is when people stop getting sick and theyll be able to do that too and i understand both systems very well but were going to maximum testing even though some people wont even want to. Is. What were going to be there very soon. If you look at the numbers it could be the were getting very close and i dont have the exact numbers we would have had them if us be the same question a little while ago because people with the statistics were there were going to be there very soon where were really were really doing i mean i watched your report on n. B. C. Today and it was an incorrect report because were really doing a great job in testing unfortunately the administration the people that work our government hasnt been given the kind of credit that it deserves. Last month was about ventilators now we have so many that were able to give them to ily france spain other countries have been asking us for ventilators were making over 150000 weve distributed thousands and thousands new york is in great shape with what weve done is you know new jerseys in great shape we spoke just recently evocate just spoke with the governor and theyre in very good shape with ventilators i mean everybody has and most of them have far more than theyll ever need theyre starting to send them back so nobody went without a ventilator and yet if you read the media from a month and a half ago it was all about ventilators and ventilators are tough thats that was a tough thing but we should be very proud of our country we took Assembly Lines and they converted from cars and other things into ventilators and the job that weve seen has not been seen since world war 2 what they have done in terms of the manufacture of very high grade ventilators as a basis so now we dont hear about that and i notice that the testing is starting to die down because we now have the best testing anywhere in the world by far and we have more and thats a good thing thats a very good thing im happy about it. We had a call yesterday with governors and i will say that. Im sure many of you are on that call. Even though you shouldnt have been they should have been a me but they were i wonder how that happened but you heard the the governor is with you of now the following day if youll get a democrat on the call theyll say you know i saw some of them today they were so thrilled yesterday on a call that they thought was a close call in today they were good but they were at the same as they were yesterday because thats the business they want to try and win on november 3rd but were doing the job the likes of which nobodys ever done and im not talking about myself im talking about people in the army corps of engineers where we built hospitals where we built thousands and thousands of beds all over the country new york what we did was incredible 2900 beds in a matter of days what theyve done is so incredible and fema what they have done and the doctors and the professionals and all of the people that you see me with all the time you know these are great people and theyve really done a great job in our countries opening up again and i think its going to be very very successful i think that when larry is here we talked about it we talk about it all the time i think that the 3rd quarter its obviously a transition quarter but i think its going to be ok maybe better than ok larry things better than ok i think even more so than i do and then i think 4th quarter will be great and i think next year is going to be a tremendous year for this country. Jennifer. What ching a president trying theyre giving some details of his coronavirus or his government governor us response insisting he thinks that weve done a great job as we were that was referring to shutting the borders to china for instance and hes looking into apparently testing on an lines