The wildlife trade under scrutiny the Global Pandemic has led to a debate on what markets live animals are sold for food so should they be closed this is inside still. Hello welcome to the program. Scientists are still trying to confirm the exact source of the new corona virus sweeping across the world its believed the virus may have jumped from exotic animals to humans at a market in will hand china thats led to growing calls to ban markets astray as agriculture minister wants the worlds d 20 richest nations the g 20 to back a Scientific Study david little proud says these markets are a source of bio security and Human Health Risks and he says it would be wrong to ignore wildlife wet markets in any assessment of how we can better manage those risks scientist an Animal Welfare activists are worried about the close contact between humans and live animals in what markets theyre popular across asia and other parts of the world for fresh meat and vegetables most of them dont sell exotic species and since the start of the outbreak chinas government has banned the sale of wild animals including back its its Foreign Ministry says a strain has called for an independent probe is political maneuvering through you leave for china has already in acted in a comprehensive law to ban the hunting trading transportation and consumption of illegal wildlife the agricultural goods markets and live poultry in seafood markets are not wildlife trading markets it is legal to sell wildlife in those markets and they will be shut down and punished by law if found guilty of such illegal transactions the World Health Organization is calling for tighter regulation with markets as you know i dont import and sort of fordable food and livelihood for millions of people all over the world but in many places there have been poorly regulated and poorly maintained. No just position is that when these markets are allowed to reopen it should only be on the condition that they conform to stream gente food safety and hygiene standards government must rieger is fully in forest bans on the sale and trade of wildlife for food. Lets introduce our panel in the vietnamese capital of hanoi we have trin new in an executive director of pan nature in lancaster in the United Kingdom hamad moneer of our ologist at Lancaster University and in Nairobi Kenya caderousse a bania the c. E. O. Of the African WildlifeFoundation Welcome to you all mohammed id like to begin with you 1st because id like you to help us understand the Science Behind the risk of disease jumping from animals to humans in the environment of these live markets i mean lots of people go to zoos for example it doesnt seem to happen there so what is happening in these markets. Well normally animal care is a range of different viruses and those wives as of probably homeless for the animals but they are staying there for a longer duration of time and that they adopt and then ever they get the chance to interact with a human or any other intermediate hosed they have a potential to jump the species from animal to either intermediate animal or directly to the human and if they do so because human hasnt seen those infections before we didnt have any immunity against that thats how the virus have opening ground to start replication and moving on and when it comes to the market this is a really great breeding ground for many of these why this is because animals are kept in the gut market or in the open. Markets these are the places where the viruses jump from one animal to another animal very frequently within a very confined environment and that environment that the widest to identify best and the it was to where it can adopt d adopt even further and adopt that to the level that it can start in fact in human thank you very much a lot of cattle many of those animals that appear in these markets come from africa or smuggled out of africa have been decades long campaigns against this why is this trade and during. None of these anomalies to see one back to combine. To buy them high pride and high. Hope the sudden come hungry haha is high. But in the middle of this white lie or whatever i mean ive been here for. A lot of we are entering on the dark or the planet he doesnt mean all arranged in color between kind of these and others are all individual as a kind of income because there was a condom was smaller we would see it green the flag that evaporated it had been green to create but i think another shooting mall or album to see would be doing is a little bit of another fun out of the hour well see that where we have not improved our punishment meanwhile i and other people that im meeting with in an even play a role in bringing their life and total income all together its a machine that role in a while a free drug well weve seen that stop you buy and sell you know when by when china by and theyre trading in i want to get the last the last of the wind so i brought in that illegal outlet. He now takes on so all of that is what were looking at a need to stop at the bottom and need to solve that clearly that economy and in the heating was still a new in and similarly in your part of the world why is the trade in exotic animals can can you and how how do you stop it. I think i agree with my colleagues is the wealthiest from a while updates its a main driver fardy on a boeing. Global wildlife while i prime. He at the mason seabag young people face from these illegal markets it a mouse 7 to plant the 3000000000 in the u. S. No others. And we dont have the exact number of the what is the light markets but if its just sort of ditto its largest. Illegal market is. A hero ins i mean drop and. Trafficking so thats it biggest driver and the 2nd reason i thing is. I have the say the corruption vote from my in dishonest country and its only in the definition country. Allow the twilight crime to operate. In the us our country. Into Law Enforcement maybe not in up and ended up in asian country the control mad. Sometime is the sense that not sufficient to deal with the complexity of the International Law while i prime mama these markets have been around for hundreds of years but it only seems to be in recent times that we hear of these diseases jumping to humans whether its began with in the late fiftys whether its sars or whether its h 5 n one why are we only why do they only seem to be happening now or has it always been the case. I think this has always been the case whenever there has been a close interaction between animal and human and these animal doesnt need to be a wild animal even domesticated commercial animal they pose almost the same risk but since they are kept under relatively cleaner environment and we do understand the kind of viruses the insect to the livestock they are vaccinated and they are protected in the wild wild life the risk is more because they are not protected against that but i think one of the major contributing factor that is highlighting this phenomenon lot more now compared to post is that now we have developed Technology Tools or at the forefront were going to fight these on the one pathogens that havent been identified in human so we know from the past history that more than 60 percent of the infection in humans came from animals and those majority of those 60 percent have been very recently identified and that is because we developed. Technology such as next Generation Sequencing approaches which identify any kind of pathogens whether it caused disease or doesnt and these can be identified because of this advancement of knowledge is getting more and more advanced and whenever such a situation such as over 19 arises our 1st. Point is to look whether it has come from animals catherine and africa meat from some exotic animals tons been known as bush meat and youve had disease appear from as i say from h. I. V. From the congo in the late fiftys. Also originated from animals is there an education issue in getting people to understand where this disease are emerging from in those communities. You know they do but im not one of the subtitle kids it all quite additionally and for the many i was going to get it out of him if you want to live up or generational im just pushing the details as far as facts but i think 100 hinted that train a in water have i had a bucket if youre talking about but ill hold it for ill tell you what i 100 qualify that a with a bucket as i have been reading with bad media and i like to redefine it differently. We dont win by getting our dialect horrible under 5 a letter yet be that your response when you saw that you did it would be terrible the way we you know what the hell i know by whether they were with my kids but a young boy was where we were in class in raleigh area all 4 of my d. N. A. And when is with that i have been able to do so many which need it to my name that people did because while i was nice enough in occasionally and opinions about. Which wasnt done for the select that sold out for example is where the problem is in the trade how discredited i was traded how is france caught in that mix all up while i didnt even know where charlie needs are being and thus well you know this probably doesnt mean that abortion needs isnt legal enough in the 20 its not in many countries the a species that a lot of. Questions there but the speech that he got. In the markets saw that there is a difference there but it is will they come from england and the burra was a very serious issue there right at the time for a couple of years ago war and it came from the cultural the private citizens sent from africa and it was time to trust christ by the true god and im not a put down on what out there is little now that this is a serious issue you know africa but the stand. For need and fortune fought for in International Markets that has brought this issue. As well as fighters new in your organization has teamed up with 9 others in vietnam and written so your Prime Minister to ask him to legislate against markets selling wildlife its been a problem in your part of the world for decades whats prompted the Prime Minister to Pay Attention this time. I think theres. Increasing. Media coverage. And sound if they gave millions a mountain link between where i live and well and the. Great. And also. The. He had not meant to be into them on hot spots so why lactase not because we sent we see why live to the country but also injuries in recent days is now becoming a trend just plays from our International Wild life or not and. Never has an incentive to say in the International Media in need in a negative ways because at that and so when we fought in the race and. We went and. Approached the. How to deal with c. S. C. Thieves who can wish on this night they know relating to wildlife and this is consistent with that the family was very sad as far as if and your Prime Minister happy asked the. Agency to. Let the guy act if to deal with when ive used them in vietnam. When is it the way forward to to ban the sale of wildlife in these markets i think you know it is the interface between animal and human has been intense intensified significantly for example with that one eyed asian but International Travel you know i meant the fact of Global Warming that is bringing animal to club a close to the human any legislation that can interfere with this interface between human and animal were certainly helped to reduce the risk for the white house is to jump from animal to human and that could be not only just in the developing world of h r been describe some of the factors but also in the developed world to bear perhaps from wild animal are being sold on a very high prices so that the effort has to be. Yes cared d from developing word toward d the developed world and from cost magic to the tube to the other industries me or to any projects are being used so certainly that effort has to be made i must be scaled before any significant benefit would be visible how do weve seen an africa tourism evaporate because of the ban on travel because of corona virus are you now in fact facing more risk of poaching and trading in these animals because people have no other income. Absolutely. Biggest wired hour is that spike lee. Quite a number of reasons as a result. The poisonwood Subsidies National parks are made but one that one of the twice a president plus there is human presence in better places in the park some of the. Countries in new york all and elsewhere so these are the landscapes the presence of the poor as it increases. The areas and prisons riveted for quite as well of the estimates that direct income for the beatles National Past it when it was still over at the core of it is yesterday i had a meeting with that it existed by inches across. Reacted in me. They are worried that. A lot done as read column is a follow up saying people are going to turn to one last project. That is being sought is. The big elephant. To worry about but ive been out a small but it was. The point is that. Is that egypt or that had 4000000 other requirements on the court in it if you look at the pool some admit youre getting a little in the industry itself but. G. D. P. Of that kind of is well what are that live all about between against batting facet g. D. P. So its a big macor for that sort of bizarre figure but a little of the National Climate areas where we are it says that National Park service as it has the communities that are the poorest in that area it has the. Despite all. Other folks use gemini opposed to it and all d those pots all are going to suffer and none other than big engines from roy part of that interview is reporting this if it is might be an issue enough or not then does it take a lot of other folks in roy area the National Park sun to minimize the pain on one. The relatives are sitting. Down with us from getting so little the recall is not a lapse subtle it was new in one of the problems i know in your part of the world has been a been the the idea that the more exotic the animal the higher the prestige is in eating it do you think this outbreak of corona virus will finally get the message home to people that it is not ok to eat these rare and dangerous animals or will the culture still persist. Ourself and manic under a sort of madness and hope that to happen but from the lesson of shots outbreaks went words are so. Difficult and redundant now its a link between why life and theres a break. Up this sometimes if you. Can make an impact now more people seem to have been granted shop memory about what happened. Well maybe we dont and now in terms of the Public Information raising public awareness. So do time we tried to take the opportunity to. As much cash information to develop a leak and we did it to develop an agency and trying to capture it is no longer a good time till 2000 to have that look is for our man why large it man and also to let it get to public that yes it is significant human life and economy and we really see that. Much more on yadi had we were so afraid that maybe after the average is over. When everything comes back no more there and its just not enough. In force and matter that enough. The national when i was the international control. For the sea off over it when i lived it. Its if we continue to happen. Muhammad i almost hesitate to ask about because were a long way before wrong way to go before we even control the coronavirus but is that where our next pandemic is coming from another market coming from another transfer from an animal to human another market is that where the future is yeah well i mean lets hope that doesnt happen but in the Current Situation if we look really what are d the recent emerging infections majority of those have been accurate in the length of that act link with wild animals so i wouldnt be extremely surprised if the next pandemic would be because of jumping off animals. From animal to human and that is really tricky in the Current Situations to really make a strong legislation to ban the use or just the. Bush meat and other products mainly because the overall utilization of meat and the association are imminent with the animal has been defeated culturally at some places religiously and then because of the need of the party so probably i just want to reinforce under the fact that this is a great time to reinforce once again legislation need to be made to ensure that this interaction and the interface between human and animal will be minimized and cardew apparently in the markets of the barn in west africa the chinese buyers of pangolin the most and the most trafficked animal wave evaporated now it seems as a kind of comeback or is there a chance that this trade has really been interrupted by the scare from the coronavirus you know not being very very chancy some of the species are going to be held up by the primary are and remain mother heartrending family was already illegal and thats why working on notices of all who are part of. The economy of this world doesnt really know what we mean 100. But this is going to be on the side of the depressed increase the without us but we need to be only for biodiesel the people who need it is and it is usually on the whole or is this complex a dejesus in the one problem it enough of an absence should be set up of this debate alternatives and different options. But you say you think now is the right time now there is a chance to really interrupt this trade from africa to asia. Absolutely and we are we have to get in there and through fixing up one more one these are the ones who know what a beautiful africa are to scole this while praying this is not a monolith because all of the virus but the source of it is pull these animals and run out of muslim lands that are not up to a lot of families this is their let their heritage out this is class and indeed part of it is just the comforts and the trade that is really to the sick it is really looking down at the wall although you do a lot more of. That carry on bag. And stream land is buried by just it not all of it but of it more because its ok and very lastly were very quickly lastly with you new in as well from from your perspective is there is this an opportunity a serious opportunity you think now to really interrupt the trade in exotic animals. Yeah i do i do believe that why where were. Going to raise and. Trying to. Force. More. Control or what the trade and also. Not only the trade or consumption or. 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