Matter. How to bring you the news and Current Affairs that matter to you. Aljazeera. The wildlife trade under scrutiny the Global Pandemic has led to a debate on what markets where live animals are sold for food so should they be closed this is inside story. Hello welcome to the program im burnitz. Scientists are still trying to confirm the exact source of the new corona virus sweeping across the world its believed the virus may have jumped from exotic animals to humans at a market in will hand china thats led to growing calls to ban markets astray as agriculture minister wants the worlds d 20 richest nations the g 20 to back a Scientific Study david little proud says these markets are a source of bio security and Human Health Risks and he says it will be wrong to ignore wildlife where markets in any assessment of how we can better manage those risks scientist an Animal Welfare activists are worried about the close contact between humans and live animals in what markets theyre popular across asia and other parts of the world for fresh meat and vegetables most of them dont sell exotic species and since the start of the outbreak chinas government has banned the sale of wild animals including back its its Foreign Ministry says a strain has called for an independent probe is political maneuvering through you leave for china has already enacted a comprehensive law to ban the hunting trading transportation and consumption of illegal wildlife the agricultural goods markets and live poultry in seafood markets are not wildlife trading markets it is legal to sell wildlife in those markets and they will be something and punished by law if found guilty of such illegal transactions the World Health Organization is calling for tighter regulation with markets as you know i dont import it in sort of fordable food and livelihood for millions of people all over the world but in many places there have been poorly regulated and poorly maintained. They just position is that when these markets are allowed to reopen it should only be on the condition that they conform to strange and food safety and hygiene standards government must rieger is fully in forest bunce on the sale and trade of wildlife for food. Lets introduce our panel in the vietnamese capital of hanoi we have trin new in an executive director of pan nature in lancaster in the United Kingdom hamad moneer of our ologist at Lancaster University and in Nairobi Kenya caderousse a bania the c. E. O. Of the African Wildlife Foundation Welcome to you all mohammed id like to begin with you 1st because id like you to help us understand the Science Behind the risk of disease jumping from animals to humans in the environment of these live markets i mean lots of people go to zoos for example it doesnt seem to happen there so what is happening in these markets. Well normally animal care is a range of different viruses and those wives as of probably homeless for the animals but they are staying there for a longer duration of time and that they adopt and then ever they get the chance to interact with a human or any other intermediate hosed they have a potential to jump the species from animal to either intermediate animal or directly to the human and if they do so because human hasnt seen those infections before we didnt have any immunity against that thats how the virus have opening ground to start replication and moving on and when it comes to the market this is a really great breeding ground for many of these why this is because animals are kept in the gut market or in the open. Markets these are the places where the viruses jump from one animal to another animal very frequently within a very confined environment and that environment let the widest to identify best and the it was to where it can adopt adopt even further and adopt that to the level that it can start infecting human thank you very much a lot of cattle many of those animals that appear in these markets come from africa or smuggled out of africa have been decades long campaigns against this why is this trade and during. You know another one of these anomalies to see one back to combine. To buy them high pride and high. Hope the concolor hungry heart is high. But in the middle of this white lie or alive i mean ive experienced. A lot of we are entering on the dark or the planet he doesnt mean all arranged in color between kind of these and others are all individual as a kind of income because there was a condom was smaller we would see it green the flag that is upper management it had been green or create but i think another shooting mall or album to see would be didnt use a lot about any of the fun out of the hour we will see that where we have improved our connection between white lie and other people that im meeting with in an even playing a role in bringing their life and total income all together its a machine that could roll in a while and free drugs well ive seen that stop you buy and sell you know when by when china by and theyre trading in i want to get the last the last of the wind so i brought that illegal out of what. You now bring on so all of that as well as what were looking at a need to stop at the bottom and need to solve that clearly that economy and in the heating was still a new in and similarly in your part of the world why is the trade in exotic animals can can you and how how do you stop it. I think i agree with my colleagues is the wealthiest from a while updates its a main driver fardy on a boeing. Global wildlife while i prime. He at the masons seabag young people face from these illegal markets it a mouse 7 to plant the 3000000000 in the us no others. We dont have the exact number on the what is the like markets but if its just start up there towards largest. Illegal market. Heroines i mean drop and. Trafficking so thats it biggest driver and the 2nd reason i thing is. I say the corruption more from my in dishonest country and also in the definition of country. Allow the Wildlife Crime to operate. In the us our country is. In the Law Enforcement maybe not in up and ended up in asian country the control mad. Sometime is the states the its not up to some to deal with the complexity of the International Law while i prime mama these markets have been around for hundreds of years but it only seems to be in recent times that we hear of these diseases jumping to humans whether its began with a job in the late fiftys whether its sars or whether its h 5 n one why are we only why do they only seem to be happening now or has it always been the case. I think this has always been the case whenever there has been a close interaction between animal and human and these animal doesnt need to be a wild animal even domesticated commercial animal they pose almost the same risk but since they are kept under relatively cleaner environment and we do understand the kind of viruses they in fact to the livestock they are vaccinated and they are protected in the wild wild life the risk is more because they are not protected against that but i think one of the major contributing factor that is highlighting this phenomenon lot more now compared to post is that now we have developed Technology Tools or at the forefront were going to fight on on pathogens that havent been identified in human so we know from the past history that more than 60 percent of the infection in humans came from animals and those majority of those 60 percent have been very recently identified and that is because we developed. Technology such as next Generation Sequencing approaches which identify any kind of pathogens whether it caused disease or doesnt and these can be identified because of this advancement of knowledge is getting more and more advanced and whenever such a situation such as over 19 arises our 1st. Point is to look whether it has come from animals catherine and africa meat from some exotic animals tons been known as bush meat and youve had disease appear from as i say from h. I. V. From the congo in the late fiftys. Also originated from animals is an education issue in getting people to understand where this disease are emerging from in those communities. You know they do but im not one of the subtile kids at all quite additionally and for many i was going to get it out of him if you want to live up or generational im just pushing the guitar as far as fast but im the 100 hinted that train a in water as i have my head if youre talking about but ill hold it for ill tell you what i want to qualify that hell with my kids and ive been reading with bad media and i like to redefine it differently. We dont win by getting our dialogue horrible under fire the latter yet be that your response when you saw that you needed to be careful that when you know what the hell i know by whether they were with my kids but a young boy was where we were in class in raleigh area all 4 are by day and when is with that i have been able to. Lead it to my name as people did because while i was nice enough in occasionally and opinions about. Which wasnt done for just about it like that sold out for itself is where the problem is in the trade how discredited i was traded how does france caught in that mix all up what i like now where china is being and the us well its probably doesnt need that needs isnt legal enough in the 20 its not just in many countries the us teaches that a lot of. Question there but the suspicion that. The markets saw that there is a difference there but yet is will they come from england and the burra was a very serious issue that the country a couple of years ago more and to get it from the cultural the private citizens sent from africa and it was trying to transfer. A lot of the doubt on what out there isnt now that this is a serious africa but doesnt stand. For need and fortune fought for in International Markets that has brought this issue and this is one of 5. New in your organization has teamed up with 9 others in vietnam and written so your Prime Minister to ask him to legislate against markets selling wildlife its been a problem in your part of the world for decades whats prompted the Prime Minister to Pay Attention this time. I think the. Increasing. Media coverage. And sandy think ive ridden some out to link between my life and while at it and the. Great. And also. The. Vietnam has to be into that. Hot spot so why lactase not because we sent we see why lied to the country but also injuries injuries and is now becoming a branch is placed from International Wildlife or not and. Never has been sent in the International Media in the name of in a negative ways because at that so when we fought in the race and. We went there and. Approached the. How to deal with see these thieves who go west on this night they know relating to wildlife and this is going to show the world that the family was very stylish positive and their Prime Minister happy asked the. Agency to. Lead. To deal with. Them. Is it the way forward to to ban the sale of wildlife in these markets i think you know it is the interface between animal and human being intense intensified significantly for example but that when i do but International Travel you know i meant the fact of Global Warming that is bringing animal could very close to being human and the legislation that can interfere with this interface between a human and animal. Were certainly helped to reduce the risk for that why this has to jump from animal to human and that could be not only just in the developing world of h r being describe some of the factors but also in the developed world to bear perhaps from one animal or d being sold on a very high prices so that the effort has to be asking from developing word toward the developed world and from cost magic to the. To the other industries they are that any products are being used so certainly that effort has to be made i must be scaled before any significant benefit would be visible how do weve seen an africa tourism evaporate because of the ban on travel because of coronavirus are you now in fact facing more risk of poaching and trading in these animals because people have no other income. Absolutely the biggest wired hour is that spike lee. Quite a number of reasons as a result. Of the poison we subsidize National Parks are made but when that one of the twice a president the parts there is human presence in better places in the park some of the. Many countries in your all and elsewhere so these are the landscapes the presence of the porters it increases. The areas and prisons riveted for quite a symbol of the estimates that direct income for the beatles National Past it when it was still over at the door of it is yesterday i had a meeting with that it existed by n. G. O. S across the reacted in me out of the money and. They are worried that. A lot of down as rebel column is a collapsing people are going to turn to one last project. That instead of being sought is. The big elephant. To worry about but ive been out a small but. The point is that he. Is an egyptian or that had 4000000000 other requirements on the court in it if you look at the biological 3000000 get a little in the industry itself but. G. D. P. Of that kind of is well what are that live all about between against batting facet g. D. P. So its a big move or 2 that its a little bizarre for a car but a little of the National Park and the areas where we are its as good that National Park service as it has the communities that are the poorest in that area it has the. Despite all. Folks you 70 opposed to it and all d those pots are going to suffer another one another 100 begins from roy put on that interview is reporting this if it is finally an issue enough or not then does it take a lot of other folks in roy area the National Plan for how to minimize the pain on one. The relatives are sitting. Down with us from getting so little the recall is about to lapse so not only what was new in one of the problems i know in your part of the world has been a been the the idea that the more exotic the animal the higher the prestige is in eating it do you think this outbreak of corona virus will finally get the message home to people that it is not ok to eat these rare and dangerous animals or will the culture still persist. Ourself and manic under a sort of madness and hope that to happen but from the lesson of shots outbreaks went words are so. Difficult and redundant now its a link between why life and theres a break. Up this sometimes if it. Can make an impact now more people seem to have been granted shop memory about what happened. Well maybe we dont and now in term of the Public Information raising public awareness. So do time we tried to take the opportunity to push as much cash information to develop a leak and we did it to development this year and trying to capture it is no longer on your time till 2000 through every. Event why large it man and also to let it get to public that yes it is significant just human life and economy and we will see that. Much more on yadi had we were d so afraid that maybe after the average is over. When everything comes back no more then its just not enough. In for some one matter that enough. The national when i was so international control. For the sea off over it when i lived it. Its if we continue to happen. Muhammad i almost hesitate to ask about because were a long way before wrong way to go before we even control the coronavirus but is that where our next pandemic is coming from another market coming from another transfer from an animal to human another market is that where the future is yeah well i mean lets hope that doesnt happen but in the Current Situation if we look really what are d the recent emerging infections majority of those have direct or indirect link with wild animals so i wouldnt be extremely surprised if the next pandemic would be because of jumping off animals. From animal to human and that is really tricky in the Current Situations to really make a strong legislation to ban the use or just the. Bush meat and other products mainly because the overall utilization of meat and the association are imminent with the animal has been defeated culturally at some places religiously and then because of the need of the party so probably i just want to reinforce under the fact that this is a great time to reinforce once again legislation need to be made to ensure that this interaction and the interface between human and animal will be minimized and cardew apparently in the markets of the barn in west africa the chinese buyers of pangolin the most and the most trafficked animal wave evaporated now it seems as a kind of comeback or is there a chance that this trade has really been interrupted by the scare from the coronavirus you know not being very very chancy some of the species are going to be held up by the primary are and remain mother when the funding was already illegal and thats why working on notices of all who are part of. The economy of this world doesnt really know what we mean 100. But this is going to be on the side of the depressed increase the without us but we need to be only for biodiesel the people who need it is and it is usually on the whole or is this complex a dejesus in the one problem it enough of an absence should be set up of this debate alternatives and different options. But you say you think now is the right time now there is a chance to really interrupt this trade from africa to asia. Absolutely and we are we have to get in there and through 6 not one more one these are the ones who know what a beautiful africa are to scole this while i pray this is not a model because of the virus but the source of it it is animals and one of the bottom lines that gobbled up a lot of families this is their heritage this is class and they need to protect is just a compass and a trait that is really to the sick it is really looking that all all that new development what. Are new that carry on bag. And streamline is bio must it not at all it cannot get more because parrish ok im very lastly were very quickly lastly with you new in as well from from your perspective is there is this an opportunity a serious opportunity you think now to really interrupt the trade in exotic animals. Yeah i do i do believe that why we were in. The race and banner and its the government trying. To force far more. Control on what the trade and also. Not only the trade offs on the consumption under. Wildlife or at nohant thank you very much unfortunately gentlemen were out of time but thank you very much for your insights thanks to train leno in dr mohamad moneer and cad to suborn here and thank you to watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website aljazeera dot com and for further discussion go to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com ford slash a. J. 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