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Scientists are still trying to confirm the exact source of the new corona virus sweeping across the world its believed the virus may have jumped from exotic animals to humans at a market in will hand china thats led to growing calls to ban markets astray as agriculture minister wants the worlds 20 richest nations the g 20 to back a Scientific Study david little proud says these markets are a source of bio security and Human Health Risks and he says it would be wrong to ignore wildlife where markets in any assessment of how we can better manage those risks scientist an Animal Welfare activists are worried about the close contact between humans and live animals in what markets theyre popular across asia and other parts of the world for fresh meat and vegetables most of them dont sell exotic species and since the start of the outbreak chinas government has banned the sale of wild animals including back its its Foreign Ministry says a strain has called for an independent probe is political maneuvering through you leave for china has already enacted a comprehensive law to ban the hunting trading transportation and consumption of illegal wildlife cultural goods markets and live poultry in seafood markets are not wildlife trading markets it is legal to sell wildlife in those markets and they will be something and punished by law if found guilty of such illegal transactions the World Health Organization is calling for tighter regulation with markets as you know i dont import it in sort of fordable food and livelihood for millions of people all over the world but in many places there have been poorly regulated and poorly maintained. W. Just position is that when these markets are allowed to reopen it should only be on the condition that they conform to strange and food safety and hygiene standards governments must readers really in for response on the sale and trade of wildlife for food. Lets introduce our panel in the vietnamese capital of hanoi we have trin new in an executive director of pan nature in lancaster in the United Kingdom hamad moneer of our ologist at Lancaster University and in Nairobi Kenya caderousse a bania the c. E. O. Of the African WildlifeFoundation Welcome to you all mohammed id like to begin with you 1st because id like you to help us understand the Science Behind the risk of disease jumping from animals to humans in the environment of these live markets i mean lots of people go to zoos for example it doesnt seem to happen there so what is happening in these markets. Well normally animal carries a range of different viruses and those wives as of busy probably homeless for the animals but they are staying there for a longer duration of time and that they adopt and then ever they get the chance busy to interact with a human or any other intermediate hosed they have a potential to jump the species from animal to either intermediate animal or directly to the human and if they do so because human hasnt seen those busy infections before we didnt have any immunity against that thats how the virus have opening ground to start replication and moving on and when it comes to the black market this is a really great breeding ground for many of these why this is because animals are kept in the gut market or in the open. Markets these are the places where the viruses jump from one animal to another animal very frequently within a very confined environment and that environment that the widest to identify best and appropriate was where it can adopt adopt even further and adopt that to the level that it can start infecting human thank you very much a lot of cattle many of those animals that appear in these markets come from africa or smuggled out of africa have been decades long campaigns against this why is this trade and during. None of the number of issues he lands that abide. By these high prices. Drop the sauce and cut or is his car by digital this white light all at the time its different. Laws are we are injuries on this up or tragedy. Made all arrangements is caught between countries and under the law that is issue as that hundreds that what has become so smaller weve seen it grizz of flags and it does put it in its it has increased trade but usually its more than one percent when 1000000000 is. The decision to fund a none of us really see that and where we cant improve the little bit with wildlife and the people that live with him and gave through increasing their landlords and tons of the income or just separations that drop in a while and afraid drops well and seen the scotland china win with china and the dreaded. Last year last we saw a drop of the killing off our flaps. So all of that the what did we are looking at and need to stop that and i dont need to scott that hell need that trance again and then the killings topple a new in and similarly in your part of the world why is the trade in exotic animals can tin you and how how do you stop it. I think i agree with my colleagues is the wealthiest from a while updates its a main driver fardy on a boeing. Global wildlife while i prime. 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Sometime is the sense that not sufficient to deal with the complexity of the International Law while i prime mama these markets have been around for hundreds of years but it only seems to be in recent times that we hear of these diseases jumping to humans whether its began with a in the late fiftys whether its sars or whether its h 5 n one why are we only why do they only seem to be happening now or has it always been the case. I think this has always been the case whenever there has been a close interaction between an animal and human and these animal doesnt need to be a wild animal even domesticated a commercial animal they pose almost the same risk but since they are kept under relatively cleaner environment and we do understand the kind of viruses they in fact to the livestock they are vaccinated and they are protected in the wild wild life the risk is more because they are not protected against that but i think one of the major contributing factor that is highlighting this phenomenon lot more now compared to post is that now we have developed Technology Tools or at the forefront whether it be fighting on the on pathogens that havent been identified in human so we know from the past history that more than 60 percent of infection in humans came from animals and those majority of those 60 percent have been very recently identified and that is because we developed. Technology such as next Generation Sequencing approaches which identify any kind of property and whether it caused disease or does not exist can be identified because of this advancement of knowledge is getting more and more advanced and whenever such a situation such as over 19 arises our 1st. Point is to look at whether it has come from animals catherine and africa meat from some exotic animals times been known as bush meets and youve had disease appear from as i say from h. I. V. From the congo in the late fiftys. Also originated from animals is an education issue in getting people to understand where this disease are emerging from in those communities. 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As well if im new in your organization has teamed up with 9 others in vietnam and written so your Prime Minister to ask him to legislate against markets selling wildlife its been a problem in your part of the world for decades whats prompted the Prime Minister to Pay Attention this time. I think theyre. Increasing. Media coverage. And Scientific Evidence a mountain link between the wildlife and while actually it and the. Great. And also. The. Vietnam has to be into them on hot spots so why lactase not because we sent we sow while out to the country but also injuries injuries and is now becoming a branch is placed from International Wildlife or not and. Never has been sent in the International Media in the in a negative ways because at that and so when we fought in the race i know theres a row we went there and. Of course the. How to deal with this you can waste on this night they know relating to wildlife and this is consistent with that the family was very established parsifal and their Prime Minister were happy asked the. Agency to. Let used. To deal with. Them. Is it the way forward to the sale of wildlife in these markets i think you know it is the interface between animal and human being intense intensified significantly for example about when i do but International Travel you know i meant the fact of Global Warming that is bringing animal could very close to being human any legislation that can interfere with this interface between a human and animal. Were certainly helped to reduce the risk for why this is too young from animal to human and that could be not only just in the developing world of h r been described several factors but also in the developed world their products from wild animal are being sold on a very high prices so the effort has to be scaled d from developing were to or d the developed world and from cost magic to the. To the other industries where the any products are being used so certainly the effort has to be made that must be scaled before any significant benefit will be visible cardew weve seen in africa tourism evaporate because of the ban on travel because of coronavirus are you now in fact facing more risk of poaching and trading in these animals because people have no other income. Absolutely our biggest wired our is that spike lee. Our quite a number of reasons as a result. 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Soul dont recall isnt a collapse sort of a lot of it was new in one of the problems i know in your part of the world has been a been the the idea that the more exotic the animal the higher the prestige is in eating it do you think this outbreak of corona virus will finally get the message home to people that it is not ok to eat these rare and dangerous animals or will that culture still persist. Ourself and manic on their way somehow i just. Hope that to happen but from the last set of shots ill break when it was also. Difficult and redundant now its a link between why life friends and i decide. To end up this sometimes. Come back and i came back now more people seem to have been granted shop memory about what happened. Well maybe we dont and now in some of the Public Information raising public awareness. So do time we tried to take the opportunity to push as much information to do about the leak and we did we put Development Agency and trying to to capture you know moment in time to 2 people who have that look a straw man while like shit man and also to let it get to public that yes it is significant just human life and economy and well see that. Much more what yeah they had we were d so afraid that maybe after the average is over. When everything comes back no more there and its just not enough. In forcing one matter that enough. National and also international control. For the sea off over it while ive read. It see if we continue to happen. Mohammed i almost hesitate to ask about because were a long way before were a long way to go before we even control the coronavirus but is that where our next pandemic is coming from another market coming from another transfer from an animal to human another market is that where the future is yeah well i mean lets hope that doesnt happen but in the Current Situation if we look really what are the recent emerging infections majority of those have been acted in that act link with wild animals so i wouldnt be extremely surprised if the next pandemic would be because of jumping off animals after that event from animal to human and that is really tricky in the Current Situations to really make a strong legislation to to ban the use or just the. Bush meat and other products mainly because the overall utilization of meat and the association are imminent with the animal has been defeated culturally at some places religiously and then because of the need of the party so probably i just want to reinforce under the fact that this is a great time to reinforce once again legislation need to be made to ensure that this interaction and the interface between human and animal will be minimized and cardew apparently in the markets of the barn in west africa the chinese buyers of pangolin the most and the most trafficked animal wave evaporated now it seems as a kind of comeback or is there a chance that this trade has really been interrupted by the scare from the coronavirus youre not being very very chancy some of the species are going to be out by the primary are and remember how pretty fundamental was already illegal and thats why whats going on now is this is all are part of. The day but we have in this world no one really knows what we mean one night. But if it is. Desirable to do for us to increase our without us. We need to be only for biodiesel the people who need it is and it is usually on the hold. Or is this complex a dejesus and i want to vomit enough again and please should be a send up of this bit alternative and different options. But you say you think now is the right time now there is a chance to really interrupt this trade from africa to asia. Subtly absolutely and we are all we have to get in there and through 6 not 100 or one of these are the ones who know what a beautiful africa are to scole this while i pray this is not a monolith because all of the virus but the source of it it will. Run out of muslim lands that are not up to a lot of families this is their let their heritage out this is class and indeed protected is just the comforts and a trait that is really to the sick it is really looking down at the wall all that new development what all. Are know that carry on bag. And stream land is bio must it not at all it cannot be democracy ok i am very lastly were very quickly lastly with you new in as well from from your perspective is there is this an opportunity a serious opportunity you think now to really interrupt the trade in exotic animals. Yeah i do i do believe that why we were in. The race and banner and with the new government trying. To force far more more strict control or wanted to it and also. Not only to treat or sort of consumption under. 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