5 for me ok and joy in the stream can you name 5 women autists most people caught but museums around the world are working to change that you can share your thoughts on why Representation Matters and i live chats on twitter. Female autists remain dramatically underrepresented and undervalued in the industry a new social Media Campaign supported by 1500 museums around the world is drawing attention to the inequality by promoting the stories work of female artists women make up hall of autistic day but only a fraction of the work is represented a major Museum Collections women of color are often found eva was an by women sells for 40 percent less than the work of their male counterparts on the representation of women in art can translate into some very real wealth consequences the girl ago Anonymous Group of office who fight sexism and racism in the art world explain why. The burden of regular culture and the earth as a culture is told only through the works merrills thats basically what it is history of patriarchy. History and. I feel i need a little bit regulation there why those 2 girl is talking to the idea of the gorilla goals is that its not about the personalities its about the puppets and the movement so it shouldnt be about one individual artist it should be about changing the way that we think about women in aught having said that joining us in our studio to discuss women in art but dont let the founding director of gallery tease in baltimore maryland also with us ida molina a contemporary artist of the talk of her either is based in ethiopia but she joins us today from ivory coast and finally we hash Adriana Bouvier she was the curator of the acclaimed basque we at exhibition at the guggenheim and joins us from the. This idea of challenging the public to name 5 Women Artists ida what do you make of that. I mean i think its a great challenge and i can say honestly that a lot of the times what i have seen is that most people dont know these artists because its not in their Education System so if we are to start a foundation you know we have to look back at how we are educated you know in early ages about art you know and who was part of that conversation so if you can imagine. Being an African Women is even more challenging to be in the mainstream and also the fact that there is barely any content i know that when i went to school in canada and also in the u. S. Theres barely any content relating to Women Artists or even orders from the continent change it is something wrong with the education the way that were told about art is that level fail in terms of not just read off tons of Women Artists names know that. Well i think thats the beginning of failure in a 3rd but i think that the. You know but there are also a lot of opportunities to stop actually its what you do as a curator or an art writer i mean you have a responsibility to do that and so i think you know curatorial its always more its very fascinating to me that when we talk about the absence of women. Or the lack of the belief for women that we dont talk about the fact that a lot of curatorial staff. Are women and were and women are collecting each other you know in those spaces theyre not exhibiting each other theyre not deciding to do scholarship Women Artists so its a so that to me is also a conversation about how women value each other way is that institutionalized sexism. How would you just have so many women all in charge of congressional galleries and then not putting women so the public to see how do you explain whats going on the well i think you know historically there has been a defacto system of discrimination in major institutions when we look at the laws from the early from the late 20th century that poor benighted institutions to designate funds for the acquisition of black art and also to recognize and to exhibit artists of color and so we still have a culture within many institutions that still adhered to that they deemed the work of black artists a poor derivative derivative of european art and so that culture still exist and were still combating that today i want to share with our audience who are watching and will see and this is from the National Museum of women in the us who started this. Campaign she explains. Since the start of the campaign over 1500 cultural institutions museums galleries all over the world have joined our call and participated using the hash tag 5 Women Artists and you know historically women have been under represented in the gallery of Museum Exhibitions and while theres been progress over the years this inequity continues to this day and the 5 women Artist Campaign is a means to challenge those organizations and cultural institutions to confront those inequities and create a future with gender parity in the arts i want to show you that i know peace of all behind its called acid rain from 2001 we just scroll down what you see. Just scroll down this is the artists click here and you can see. So we can bring a bigger platform to women. But theres also a question about money theres a gender gap if you. Tell me i mean you know anybody can look up this Information Online but its quite surprising then you know were in a 200000000000 dollar industry and those women we only have 2 percent of the market so theres a disparity within that and unfortunately you know its not only in the art world but its across the board you know different professions but for me one thing that ive noticed is that even the opportunities are quite limited and you have to remember i started as a photojournalist which is a very male dominated industry and transitioning into the art world i realize that its also the same challenge that we face to sort of you know validate ourselves and also to show that you know the work and the voice that we have is relevant within the art market. Knowing theres a knowing smile there rueful smile about when i mentioned money lets go tell us tell us about the discrepancy. You know its. Like the chicken and the egg and the artist that i. Keep hearing are you know emblematic of the market in. Explicit ways. And it you know i tend to think of. The money its a multipronged issue but its sort of from my Vantage Point as a curator. Of impacts. And shows impact that so if women are not getting show and theyre not getting critic howard and this intellectual work out that bridges their work and our historical way in the canon or how they are contesting the canon it does affect the value. S. K. Who knew we were doing this show on twitter says diversity is the answer the Decision Makers must be inclusive curious and visionary plus acquire a better understanding of your visitors and cater to all sections of society wow this would be amazing the teases this possible oh it is possible but there has to be a commitment i mean we have a movement but once the month is over the month of march what commitment will those institutions make to acquire the works of those women how many of the women of the 5 that theyre asking people to nominate are actually in their Permanent Collections so there has been this systemic problem denying women access to institutions that truly impact their careers and the value of their work in the marketplace this just look at some figures because sometimes the data when you just look at the overall so i guess that really is a wakeup call so lets look at the difference between the most highest paid piece of art that was by a woman artist compared to a male artists and then weve got them living and also ones who have passed and you can see that big difference there as we are sharing with you i want to actually show you that piece of art that jenny savile actually got over 12 over 12000000 and its this piece of art here so that we actually then can put ought to. Names where is the money in the industry coming from. It comes from vinnie sources we have major collectors who will commit funds to buy i mean they really are the ones that influence the market and the direction in which it goes i mean now. Black art is whats trendy there is a realignment of art in terms of historical acquisitions museums now committing themselves have been recognize that there is an equity in their collections that they have failed to support the works of black artists and so you know black art is now the trend. I say feeling trendy. I mean this is always my concern when it comes to art from africa because all of a sudden you know we were discovered but weve been creating our own time. So for me its really for the market coming out of the continent you know this is what concerns me is that we have to develop our institutions imagine you know if you look at how many kurds we have our critics we have how many publications do we have that is really addressing the art from the cop on tonight you know and theres always this thing of this fad and so forth but i believe that you know for me personally i want to exhibit not because im african or if youre open to what i want to aerate and drink of my work that thats my 1st priority but at the same time also you know even when you go to our biodiesel you know the rep presentation is quite off you know even in the states its quite off so this is really something that has to be pushed forward and i honestly think that you know generation of especially having Online Access and having social media and software that is given africa an opportunity to really push the forefront thats where you see a lot of art coming out of the continent that you know people werent aware of before and all of a sudden collectors are bored with like european art or american are so now theyre focusing on the continent because they feel like thats the new it but to me were here to stay its not just being the fad were still going to continue producing work regardless of what the market trend is but the key thing to me is how do we educate our own people to also collect because there is money in africa but the governments dont support us you know the people have no idea of what theyre collecting so so all differ as when you talk about presentation when you talk contemporary. That is a really good point how do you educate people of color. People who are not who dont think its accessible to them that they dont think its part of their heritage to collect and to invest it out how do you. Well i think thats in part part of the role of the curator and i just points were so well taken i mean mark trends come and go so how do we help our people understand the importance of preserving our culture. Committing money to supporting our artist so that it isnt all lost to people who are buying it as trophy pieces we really dont understand the cultural significance and importance of it so i want you to humble bright a little bit you have a number of us to your name one of those 1st im just going to pause on and tell a little bit of a story but tell our audience how many 1st you have in terms of things that you have done and the chief north korea go ahead keep it short and therefore a great 1st are to carry and how much show at the guggenheim im the 1st black woman and the 1st curator of cuban descent and the 1st. Time cattle are in their 80 year history so that sets up nicely something that we found on twitter that pretty much went fire so he we got it went down at the guggenheim. Here the 1st to exhibit with the institution with a show at the face with the untold story there was a panel yes ive owned up tunnel but you went to the panel anyway and i did this ok. Before the piano started i just wanted to address the elephant in the room. Im the curator of the fox show the upstairs and 2 of the contributors from my catalog are on stage and the black woman whos been hired as the 1st black curator because i was hired full time is on the stage as well and so we were talking about this so this goes on for some time and i will share that link so that people can can actually watch that that was drama that was epic how was it possible that the q. Rate. All the collection was not on the pound why did that happen. All i think its really simple i think that you know a person. Of the value system i think its not normal you know. I think it did go viral because. You know the curators consider the intellectual sort of spiritual steward of a show and 2 and in mind there was no public programming for the show so for the one institutional effort to can intellectually contextualize the show you leave out the person the steward of that show youre making a statement that you dont value diversity you dont value black curators those and those efforts or even what your history has meant and those a gesture like that is meant to say that that you are not welcome in this space i hear your conversation i hear the context within which you have this conversation but there will be many people who disagree with you in terms of this is to stand alone so for that im going to go to the ingram who has a show. And when she heard that theres a Baltimore Museum that is only going to kill rate womens art this was her reaction lets have a look everyones 1st to me just judged on their own merits own value make their own choices and now youre youre actually having your worth determined by the sex that you were born with how does that make any one the right thing to do is to look at its own and let people judge what is worthy or not worthy for inclusion based on how it looks and what audience who can draw. Most teams that just makes them crazy. Because its. Its wonderful to hear white people make that testimony to someone whos never walked in black skin and it wouldnt be panacea if that were the way in which museums operated but it clearly isnt there has been racism and sexism in these institutions that have denied equality equal access to them and if if we were included based on the merit of the work of the cultural and historic importance of it that conversation would not have taken place but there is not equity there has not been diversity there has not been inclusion and so for them to make those statements im not surprised because i deal with people like that people who think that way and believe. That we are blinded to that they are discriminatory practices and somehow we are supposed to look to them and whatever crumbs they throw to us we should be very happy to receive but were talking about fall equality which we deserve and they are still denying complete access to these institutions. Well i think laura ingram statements are actually in some way quite refreshing in the sense that shes being very honest about. Just about what she believes and to the earlier point that i made you know these are white women in these museums making these decisions like of course men sit at the power at white men sit at the top of the pyramid scheme of power right but there are white women like laura who basically say the same thing in different ways but they say the same thing which is why. In 2020 were still having these conversations with the visual dynamic of women and chief curator or women deputy directors of museums or women or curatorial staffs that are 85 percent women and women and women of color are the most represented aspects of their Permanent Collection its because of statements because there are a lot of white women in museums that believe that. You know what is interesting is that shes an anchor woman who im sure in the history of news she is standing on the shoulders of those before her believe had to fight through news to get to that position so its kind of ironic to me that shes making that statement because at the end you know regardless of your color the challenge is intense but as you know to me you know sometimes i feel like it is women also the drag us down you know i mean and this is why i think you know that more women need to be supportive as well and to understand this was shot and for me in my position as an artist you know there are many challenges that i have to encounter but at the same time what i see is that you know Everybody Needs to be educated and especially when you look at the American Market which a lot of the times and you know i had to keep talking about africa but i always find that in the states its very clueless to whats happening in the continent you know so there are many layers to this. And there are these statements and granted yes shes entitled to her opinion but she has to remember also where she started and where she came from and im sure she had challenges as a woman so if she was an artist would be facing you know the same challenges of a true which she has encountered so its better than this kind of information for me its always especially in mass media this is what takes us down honestly. Im just looking at. Curation here at the guggenheim so as you talk can you educate us about that we should be looking into that should be. That we can actually understand that as a public so next Time Next Year when we all stood up to 5 women we could as a rule that. Because we see that we know that. Well its interesting that you say that because ive been a fan of it as work since i saw her work in london in 2016 at most 154 here and i follow her work and shes absolutely an artist that the public should be following barbara changed. And im her body of work as a sculptor as a sculptor and is absolutely amazing just savage theres jordan steel there whos doing Amazing Things there is casting a model whos a young emerging artist out of the continent of africa. Theres one of my favorites helen dollar. But im trying not to think like the typical usual theres. Any really great work elizabeth accident basically we need to hangout with you. Now i see. You also made sure of the panels that we have beautiful i want to take us through. So the photograph. Of the mother and the child that is the work of toni chapman who has a solo exhibition at photographs in new york her work is centered around black childhood and the celebration of the black body we have monica the key jew which i when is became due. Monacos work is she paints work around her contemporaries her siblings she deals a lot with fashion as part of their identity and individuality i also have ballard whos Commission Piece of rosa parks is on Time Magazine she was one of the artists to create a work of about women celebrating women and this piece here is she is immortal which is paying honor to hillary at a locks and then we have surely gary who work is very spiritual she creates these amalgamated figures and to exist in sort of spiritual world and. And she deals with inequality and inequities as well beautiful he turned as studio. Here is i do as well as im surrounded by beautiful i want to leave you with one last comment which is should me who is at an exhibition when she said this have a listen to her. Women arent any church right like i was at the hirshhorn recently and i. Am not a foster art exhibit and in that exhibit. The series by the gorilla grass and loose was seriously didnt 989 right and then stops and it was about oh you know all over 80 percent of Women Artists are in dont want to live our National Gallery thats my if you cant name Women Artists because they dont got the dowries. Just heard from 3 women who are getting those women it out of the basement and into the galleries thank you so much. And she korea we really appreciate you next time the all star als 5 a Women Artists will be out to do it and then see you next take a. Business leaders as well to find a brass path. From. Business leaders as well to find a brass path. Subzero temperatures its extreme altitudes deadly drugs. This is where the hard part because of the extraordinary journey from the ocean to tajikistan braved ordinary joy to the border where we do high up theres no oxygen. Just to experience life simple pleasures. Risking it all in kurdistan on aljazeera. 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