Out of lockdown china lifts restrictions on the city where the corona virus pandemic began 4 months ago but is it too early and walk to the lessons for the rest of the world this is inside story. Hello welcome to the program. Much of the world is now imposing strict lockdowns to stop the spread of corona virus but the chinese city where the pandemic began is easing restrictions after a shot fall in new cases 11000000 people who have been sealed off from the outside world since late january a giant light show counted down the moment when people were allowed to leave the city once again chinas government is handling this as a milestone in the global fight against covert 19 but questions have been raised about whether china has been underreporting its number of infections and Deaths Health officials a keeping a close watch to avoid a 2nd wave of infections a set a clock now reports. Packed and ready for departure tens of thousands of people from the city of woo han are on the move after 76 days holed up in their homes and i was here with a plan to go home during the Chinese New Year but because of the epidemic i didnt get to do so my family asks me every day when i come home the lockdown has been gradually lifted over the last 10 days with inbound travel allowed but no departures on wednesday all major highways were reopened so too was the citys airport at least 55000 people trying to kits to travel to other parts of china. I havent been out since january 21st this is the 1st time ive left the house now im going back home to meet my parents checkpoints remain but for health scans those passages carrying a green coat on a Government Health are considered low risk and can travel. We will have a follow up this infection of passengers at the entrance and exit on the Railway Station with the temperature screening and the health code checking we are very strict 11000000 people live in the city known as a key Industrial Hub of china in december hospitals in were had reported the 1st cases of the coronavirus with an increasing number of patients complaining of flu like symptoms in january the city was put in lockdown after it became clear that the flu like virus was highly contagious and potentially deadly residents were trapped so too will workers on the eve of the Chinese New Year holiday break including player who he works and lives in beijing but my other friend colleagues were actually. Cancelled. Last minute but i didnt because i. Cannot. So i felt like. Who had accounts for more than 3 quarters of corona virus deaths in china or thora g. s a warning of a 2nd wave of potential infections as lockdowns lifted across the country and people returned to work to feed him we appealed to the residents of our city not to be harbor nonessential travel and continue to leave home as little as possible the recovery of we hand has been watched worldwide while the city attempts to return to normal the trauma could last for decades sarah clarke aljazeera. Lets introduce our panel in hong kong dr are a senior ma the president of the Hong Kong Public Doctors Association in lancaster in the United Kingdom dr mohamad moneer a lecturer in vero at Lancaster University and in peer chans in italy dr gloria tell jani an Infectious Disease specialist and member of the covert 19 task force of the italian Civil Protection system welcome to you all and thanks for your time ill start with you are a senior in hong kong. Has lifted his lockdown is it too early. I understand that. People living in ohio has been up for 2 months is quite a long time we looking for 2 to say some of them have actually are not local resident debtors travel there to work or start a business that they have not have been so ill from yesterday news then your that just tried their best to return to their homeland however. We do were in hong kong you were very much about the. Opening of will han again because well honey is not that who business most having the tech by the sas to be a pandemic the mainland though they are announced at the of the show are a tip from a nongovernment as there are no more new cases in will how for lama however they still will disquiet a major number of that grow in main so that many people worry that whether the. Truth is do they do not have any new cases or at least you have a small cluster of local cases appear in so our home of people read it a lot because our 1st cases are in people taking a high rise train to from one harm and home i have many connection and many trouble many travelers from a net. One not the oz who is that they have many trouble is in Hong Kong Mohamad moneer in in lancaster after 10 grueling weeks on the lot down in was it too early to lift the lockdown. Well i think there are certain features of this why does that make it a little more complicated than any other straightforward disease i mean we do know d a fair proportion of people who are infected there are asymptomatic and asymptomatic infections have been detected in china that was scaled not too long even i mean it was last week as well so although they claim like 2 weeks proximity are the number of cases significantly from last week the number of cases were in the west and then slowly depleted i would still be very cautious to lift the lockdown completely but i do understand that not only that they have a certain control and restriction on the people who can go out with your war holds but also they have made it very clear that only essential people who are in the us fields or with the medicines supply or people who are working with the supply of those chemical and return those essential to do so but extremely cautious nature need to be adopted in coming days because this is why this is not a using words gloria so theyre nervous in hong kong and cautious words from lancaster are you nervous about lifting its lockdown at this stage. Well given the lockdown was necessary because it was necessary to make hats. Following the previous our previous habits our Previous Play also leaving therefore it was necessary to change our attitudes even. To the new if you let me in. Fact its obvious also there at the 7 point we have to. React to meet normal life in our social schemes so given that more than a 70 percent of people seem to market carriers of the virus is impossible to mange and the the there would be a perfect time to stop them up down the current time is probably the time when people at the stand that they have to change their habits they have to wear a mask they want to man tang this is their this is a new stance from each other and they understand that. The brand of the disease is apparently compliant but it is easiest to there and so we have to cope and manage therefore collaborated with that all of these information and habits suggest. That are the lock down many many priests topped safely. In the concrete the press corps told your currents of new c. B. R. Cases in the last week bombed what happens if restrictions a lifted too early one of the greatest risks. One of the overused iskandar were seeing that within 2 days over 200 flights were already shown to will to live on and because people will be living in the who bit prince they are on to it for 76 days overseas so they will be coming back and we know that the disease isnt under control d in those countries when we go to the other countries and if it is a. Different scale they are going to bring the virus as well so its not the danger or leave it in the who wins but also d people who are coming in from abroad and overseas but at the same time i do understand that changing behavior is off force absolutely important to contain such kind of contagion but at the same time it is crucial that the that the uplifting that has been made no i mean or the or the using oatley. The curfew and they all dont need to be more need to really really closely because theyre the widest can emerge very very fit chances that it would emerge nollie in one way of what in the 2nd of may if for the reason that i described before so so extreme cautious is extremely quiet and are a seen if if the restrictions are lifted too early were told that a 2nd wave would be more deadly why would it be more deadly i think a 2nd wave actually maybe it will more elderly people because maybe the 1st wave is well i guess an asian come on Healthy People get in fact now get quite 8 until that date and they. Rescinded their work and then they spread the virus to the local company and then. Elderly people who have. Seized it get infected you know the want of a high immortality and because the. Last number of asymmetric it is so sad theyre spread out this season the 2nd. It will be much faster than the 1st wave so. At on the are lost because our have guesses that has already happened there is a. New car on their iris at the end of pandemic for a couple months our system has been be exhausted if there is a 2nd wave to come maybe our system will collapse quickly gloria 10 weeks it lasted in china and we will its only we all know how much its really has suffered youve only had it for 4 weeks are you do you think your looking at another 6 weeks of lockdown at least. Well well as cannot predict how long the look that will last. Maybe 34 maybe 3 maybe 5 i go no longer. Know who are in the position to make a forecast in the sense that surely it will last for a while you need to leave because we are quote hallie that we are not the very state the state of the infection and therefore there is some wall cases appearing even if the request for intensive care assistance is reduced that the cases are not so this great the seemingly have severe cases still we have severe patients therefore we have to check and rest to control the quantity and the lockdown well be. Tane for the for proper time i would like a way to have these. And i would like to share that was absent numbers they made them reach china decided to stop the lock down because this is a very important to point if they decided to arrest these. Is the seizure and this manger probably they have the data then i will sincerely enjoy to share and to all to see you know that to megan what can we wait so what can we make it to happen in our reality is it now kind of place and to make this see should they sell me on its premier and solve another conflict that head such a lack of number of cases mohammad what have you learnt from whats happened in lockdown from from the way the lockdown was imposed what has surprised you as somebody who studies all of this you know i mean one thing that became very clear no theyre trying to impose big curfew and. Lockdown it was unprecedented never been factored in the history as far as i can recall and everyone was really skeptical about whether it would work or not but now it has worked out for their calculations and they are now getting back to normal so that left quite clear blueprint for the rest of the countries to follow for example italian without any hesitation they were up to opposing be draconian measures mainly based on the data that was coming out from go on that it is working out and the number of cases are decreasing so i think the best thing that we learned is that you need to take bold steps in this kind of ball disease but the real question really lies here is that since most of the countries they applied control many years taking china as a blueprint now china has lifted that that will also be considered as a blueprint how would we. Set out the restrictions over here in the europe or in other countries so this is really a lot to learn and lot has been learned but the problem is really that the data coming out from china is relatively difficult to sometimes access and some time to analyze because as gloria mentioned before there is a certain criteria to it to decide when the curfew or old laws dont need to be released but i cant see any data that has been released based on that they say that that is the reason that we decided to. Do it to remove the recording measures theyve been putting in place except that the number of cases gone to seed or so theres still a lot on charter territories that need to be explored before we really translate that information for other countries and our senior of aside from the problem of getting that data out of china what have you learnt from how the chinese managed to lock down and who have. I think doing off putting on news from the. I mean that appearing to lock down. The communist party they do show a strong howard how to contra with a tenet of people inside unlike other democratic was a developed country all those days to the governments to impose the law of not down or in post a lawful bit in any kind of activities but we can still see that people are trying to go out to pocket and think try to do things they like but in may never when the government the peoples the law or not. That also took to the teeth they have a very strong army and many strong polistes also even secret police is everywhere of the sea and still they check at the identity of people so most of the ethnicities out really really are prohibited earing period maybe this is the one not the reason why since their lot now seems to be i guess a cesspool quickly but however as i still as said before we cannot kill you as says the situation in maine and well because we are let go of data coming from so we just. Guess the situation from what are those Little Information we get from the. Main and government and also from official news mama i want to ask you about all of our options that might help people avoid a lot a lot down as long as theyve had it with theres been talk of this adoptive policy whereby you create waves youre relax and then you strengthen the regulations once hospitals get full you increase the lockdown when people are released you reduce the lockdown is that something that european societies might look towards. Well certainly that is one of the approach to sort of really the burden onto the Health Care System but probably that were going to be too costly d because that if that would be the situation is the same concept as is the herd immunity which has been heavily criticised so that is probably not really a good choice to go for d i think that the best kept ability. Here in the europe i think is really to hold the cup ability of the Healthcare System so that they can cope with every infection that require treatment or entertaining in a navvy capacity they can but at the same time i do understand the. Lockdown was implemented in china cannot really be. Replicated in any other European Countries because of political and the personal choices we have here so at the time trying to quiet we have the law on here in the europe to see the same benefit that has been seen in china is a law and so we should not expect that within 60 days or 70 days that china has seen this impact would be seen in the u. K. Or in any other countries gloria thats the challenge isnt it is unlikely i think perhaps to suggest that european societies the Italian Society would accept a 10 week lockdown how do you miss it how do you have something other than not other alternatives to that. I think the moment not empty can be made is that we have to mention the future so we have to have an idea of was good enough because after the last scene and all sound it seems talks are having stopped so we saw. The problem will not we will then so we actually maintain a new way to go he says he sees it with a section 7 crediting well over the words and in that in that you. Mindset we have to remember that is what mentioned ringback previously the 2nd wave of the influence up and then we could in 1800 well much more so than the 1st one and the 3rd of the. Wave was less severe so its not cheap its not absolutely a given that there will be a 2nd or 3rd grade rain yes maybe not but its not sure we have to imagine that the viruses training is secure lady this is not a way to stop it its in connection so we act to figure out that any patient anyone whos walking down the street whether its. Really be stopped or anyone who is walking down the street is that a potentially infectious person even is if its our way im not aware of being so therefore we have to maintain that our lives we change and they had in real need which is mainly theyve lost it really mainly reset it to their systems then weve made an infection i thought only a symptom that infection would be talked ect is after that but the problem is to protect the oldest one is medically told. And. And also to protect all of her son from the potential spreading of the virus by an hour an hour where infectious that full wearing a mask that hands and man painting a safe behavior was really the key of their controlling what infection in the future mohamed id also like to ask you obviously the idea of a herd immunity is a very controversial one because the amount of people the. Need to be infected before you achieve i mean its easy but if you dont go for that what is our exit strategy. The exit strategy is really the suppression to really limit the spread of the infection and to intervene of into trust mission within the community so that the number of people that are infected and needing hospitalization and going to be used so that it will of course have to want to do is 1st is that a burden not without a care system but at the same time allowing more time for the vaccine arsinoe one last question to you please all the lock downs on the self enough or is there more that you need to do as well as a lockdown i think as a story is that its all besides the lockdown we do need to change their behavior if the people make sure that theyre going to a lot of people you are so so distancing and also improves the hand hygiene and also wearing mosques. From want report or from some holocaust who stay in a previous the year into lockdown actually. The sense of how how and so the hygiene of people there are not very good maschine is not very common and also. At the beginning of the if theyre not down based you plan some places actually will hike in a condition were not sure theyre up to these 10 weeks up not down where the government there has also educate people about social distancing and also not a mosque where in mosque and so so hyped and also the hygienic things we hope that when people when other people people from maine any other part of me know when they are allowed to travel to different parts of that well they can have a better behavior. Wearing masks because we expect that there is a well number chinese from a now actually maybe the sign carrier of. Iris all right were out of time unfortunately but id like to say thanks to all our guests dr ira seen him on dr mohamad. And dr gloria and frank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website aljazeera dot com for further discussion go to our Facebook Page facebook dot com ford slash a. J. 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