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A Health Problem they have not done well we must take all precautions and be responsible for the actions that we take in that we see other people take we want to prevent the spread and transmission of the disease its incredible whats sports whats happening with the sporting world where. So many of the great sports that weve gotten so used to at this time of the of the not going to be meeting and theyve done a Great Service actually but that would be another way that it could be. Problems could be caused but this is why i outlined on wednesday night my admission ministrations. The fact that weve issued a requirement suspending all medically unnecessary visits to various places but in particular nursing homes. We should all be working off the same playbook when it comes to protecting americans have to we need to be consistent in adopting measures to limit the spread of the virus the virus is the same whether its spreading in cities towns or Rural Communities the tools and tactics for attacking it are similar no matter where you go in or not only you go you have some hot spots throughout the world right down that people would have never thought possible and theyre being very seriously affected here among these efforts a break in chains of transmission between people these measures have been adopted by Many Companies universities and schools and we want to protect the safety and the health of their employees and their students i encourage everyone to follow the guidelines weve issued by c. D. C. And these commonsense measures a lot of its common sense for the areas where the virus is spreading the c. D. C. Is advising communities to postpone large gatherings postpone assemblies social functions and sporting events stagger recess and lunch for schools that arent canceled limit in person meetings increase schedule cleanings and cancel work sponsored travel among numerous other steps that can be taken americans of the strongest and most resilient people on earth and in the coming weeks we will all have to make changes and sacrifices but the short term sacrifices will produce long term gain and again ive said were learning a lot for the future and future problems like this or worse or worse could get worse the next 8 weeks are critical we can learn and we will turn a corner on this virus. Some of the doctors say it will wash through it will flow through a and interesting terms and very accurate i think youre going to find in a number of weeks its going to be a very accurate term in times of hardship the true character of america always shines through we live in the company of the greatest heroes and the most inspiring citizens anywhere in the world we want to take care of our people who want to draw on the strength of our history draw on the strength of our people and we will get through this all together we will just get through it so much progress has already been made and frankly the numbers because the steps that have been taken are a level that a lot of people are surprised especially when you compare them with other places with far smaller populations the spirit in the will of our nation is unbreakable we will defeat this threat when america is tested america rises to the occasion and to those families and citizens who are worried and concerned for themselves and their loved ones i want you to know that your federal government will unleash every authority resource into illiterates disposal to safeguard the lives and health of our people. So were with you every step of the way no nation is more prepared or more equipped to face down this crisis is you know we are rated number one in the world were also helping other nations many other nations were helping them a lot and theyre doing ok in some cases in some cases and not doing well at all. But were working with a lot of groups of people and a lot of other nations with faith and heart and hope and love and determination we will succeed we will prevail we will be very very successful and well learn for the future thank you very much if you have any questions we can take sir go ahead john place and if youd like to ask some of the folks up here would be fine please mr president where are you with the house bill yesterday we talked to you in the oval office you were opposed to it what has happened since then and whats the hold up on that well we just dont think theyre giving enough we dont think the democrats are giving enough were negotiating with all we had something but all of a sudden they didnt agree to certain things that they agreed to so we could have something but we dont think theyre giving enough theyre not theyre not doing whats right for the country and if i could ask dr satcher to have a place. Thank you mr president you just mentioned waiving interest for Student Loans you talk about buying oil from the street from the s. P. R. Out into the s. P. R. What other specific targeted measures is your administration thinking about taking the treasury secretary steve mission said today that youre just in the 2nd inning of yes actually undergo thats true and were looking at many Different Things as you know you know some of them have been written about very widely but were going to be releasing a paper in about 2 hours stating quite a few other steps very important ones please go ahead whats your view in my place thank you so much mr president i want to i want to know if you are in contact with the brazilian president both a member of the hes the legation who was with us saturday was tested positive and also said and i want to ask another question if youll let me senators Lindsey Graham and also a senator or a Scott Rick Scott ourself isolating are you planning to take any kind of precautionary in the precautionary measure to protect you and also your staff was there no we didnt we have no symptoms whatsoever and we have we had a great meeting with the president of brazil boston are a great guy very very tremendous hes done hes doing a fantastic job for brazil and as you know he tested negative meaning nothing wrong this morning and we got that word too because we did have dinner with him we were sitting next to each other for a long period of time but are you in contact with him over the coronavirus now we have i says we have were talking about a country to country but we did discuss if he had a problem it was reported that he may have it and he doesnt fortunately. Much mr president dr felt she said earlier this week that the lag in testing was in fact a failing do you take responsibility for that and when can you guarantee that every single american who needs a test will be able to have a. Whats the date of that you know i dont take responsibility at all because we were given a. A set of circumstances and we were given rules regulations and specifications from a different time wasnt meant for this kind of an event with the kind of numbers that were talking about and what weve done is redesigned it very quickly with the help of the people behind me and were now in very very strong shape i think will be announcing as i said sunday night and this will start very quickly and we will have the ability to do in the millions over a very very quick period of time so no and what we have done and we are going to be leaving a very indelible print for the future in case Something Like this happens again but it was a and thats not the fault of anybody and frankly the old system worked very well for smaller numbers much smaller numbers but dot for these kind of numbers tony manero like a session until you have gotten so used by sunday night will every american be able to get a test so just to reiterate what i said to many of you multiple times its a distant of a system the system was not designed for what it was designed for it worked very well the c. D. C. Designed a good system if you want to get the kind of blanket testing and availability that anybody can get it or you could even do surveillance to find out what the penetrance is you have to embrace the private sector and this is exactly what youre seeing because she cant do without it so when i said that i meant the system was not designed for what we need now looking forward the system will take care of it mr president and then later sally you go back place if you go back to the swine flu. It was nothing like this they didnt do testing like this and actually they had lost approximately 14000 people and they didnt do the testing they started thinking about testing when it was far too late what weve done and one of the reasons. I think people are respected what weve done weve done it very early weve got it very early and weve also kept a lot of people out of. Ministry he said that they tested a 1000000 people at this point you will ask them how they did with the swine flu was a disaster with respect to the next place next place they had a very big failure with swine flu very big failure president i want to ask you about the european travel ban that goes into effect at midnight tonight and the exemption that youve offered to the u. K. There are 17 countries that are in the socalled saying in zone that have fewer coronavirus cases than the u. K. And just in the past 24 hours the u. K. Has added 208. 00 corona via virus cases to their total why do they mr president deserve an exemption and would you consider adding them to this travel ban list well that was recommended to me by a group of professionals and we are looking at it based on the new numbers that are coming out and we really have to include them in the list of countries that we will you could say ban or whatever it is during this period of time but yeah the numbers have gone up fairly precipitously over the last 24. 00 or so we may be adding to that and we may be adding a couple of others and we may frankly start thinking about taking some off. Thank you mr president come on the course bonding with company x. T. V. You have been mentioned you have mentioned that numbering china has been decreasing china has make tremendous progress in the past 2 weeks im wondering how much confidence that this give you 2 countries of the virus in the United States and do you see that they doubt china has been sharing with the United States has been helpful i think it has been helpful weve been working very much with china ive spoken as you know with president xi they went through hell and their numbers are starting to look very good theyre really theyre really looking very good were very happy about that and we are sharing data yes in fact were sharing quite a bit of that its losing the fact that some of our pharmaceutical companies are working over there right down with large groups of people. Plus. Thank you mr president you spoke with canadian Prime Minister trudeau yesterday did you discuss the potential closing of the border between canada and the u. S. And by extension are you considering ways to salvage the 2000000000 dollar a daily trade between the 2 countries so we didnt discuss the border weve had a very Good Relationship there just about finished with the u. S. Embassy as you know he called actually called me to tell me that i think that was the primary reason for the call at the time his wife had not been diagnosed and shes a lovely lady wonderful lady great lady and since then ive heard read that. The result was that she has it and as a little surprise i think he was surprised also we did discuss it prior to. Shes going to be fine but. He thought that she would not most likely have the virus unfortunately she does but we did discuss the border yesterday. The headless. If you have any questions for these great geniuses up here you should be even a business question related to what were talking about mr president rosabelle of a from a. B. C. News miami is a relatively new floridian what is your message today to the cruise line industry in the travel industry that florida depends upon and since senator rick scotts and miami dade mayor carlos man is have the same exposure as you and they are self i awake isolating whats your message to them that they shouldnt be well i dont know that i had exposure but i dont have any of the symptoms and we do have a white house doctor and i should say many white House Doctors to frankly and i asked them that same question and they said you dont have any symptoms whatsoever and we dont want people with that symptoms to go and do the test the tests is not insignificant as far as the cruise line business where with of all the way its a great business its a great u. S. Business frankly and i know how important they are to the country that includes airlines but the cruise line business obviously was hit very hard we had a tremendous success out in oakland where weve moved and Vice President pence to defend testing with that we work with the u. K. We worked with canada they took their people back and catheters approximately 600 people u. K. Likewise took a large number of people back to the United Kingdom and we have people quarantined it was a big operation and it worked out really you dont hear about it anymore it worked out really well you mike you may even want to Say Something about that because that was really done properly. Well thank you mr president and that that that program with the grand princess the ship is continuing to be administered in. The highest standards orderly way as the president directed and americans that needed treatment have received them and i spoke to the governor of iowa today and some of those who now have been cleared. Are are able in proper supervision to be returning to iowa theyre making arrangements for them to do that others in texas others in georgia again its another example of the extraordinary cooperation Governor Abbott governor Gavin Newsome Governor Brian Kemp of georgia but to add to that the president directed me last saturday to travel down to miami and we met with all the leaders of the cruise line industry several cruise lines have announced a 60 day pause in operations our department of Homeland Security has praised them for doing that because of the unique Health Challenges particularly presented to seniors with underlying conditions we have a proposal from the cruise line industry but theyre currently considering what other steps that they might take perhaps even similar to what those other lines have taken rentis painting some response on that in the next 24 hours but as the president said the American People cherish our cruise line industry men and women who work on the ships and men and women who work on the shore all the economists that are so benefited by a vibrant cruise line industry and what the president s directed us to do is whether there whether there is a pause in the moment as some cruise lines are doing and as we all continue to discuss we want to work with the cruise line industry to ensure that when we come through this that cruise lines in the medical services that are available and for the passengers and and all of the crew there that their cruise lines are safer than ever before and can prosper for many years to come a. Good place. The question is for doctors and burke a doctor found here based on what you currently know what is the trajectory for when this outbreak will peak how long will the American People have to remain on this emergency footing and for dr burks as the administration tries to get its arms around this test kits shortage issue the next glaring need could be respirators and related hospital equipment so what is the administration doing right now to ramp up production of respirators in them in that kind of equipment should this outbreak assist. So when you have an outbreak like this particularly if youre trying to interfere with it its really impossible to predict the time element of when its going to peak and when its naturally going to go down so if you look at the situation where countries really did not get to the point of trying to contain and mitigate very well you see a peak over several weeks and then down again over the several weeks what were trying to do with the efforts that were doing is to blunt that pete and i mentioned it many times and i think its important and appropriate for me to mention again because it answers your question when you talk about preventing infections from without in which is the kind of travel restrictions were talking about then how do you handle would you already have in your country you continue some sort of containment but you also do mitigation and you try to proportionate to the areas where there are the most infections the success of that and how much you make this turn into this is going to give you the amount of time if were successful it will be less if were not successful its going to be more but these kind of things generally run out in a few months hopefully well make it several weeks 89. 00 whatever weeks but i cant give you a number because it depends on how successful we are. Great thank you its a great question and dr chee and i have worked together a very long time and continue its a privilege to work with them every day so i think you can learn very and i appreciate there are some graphics done by some of the reporting over the last several days if you align the data from china with the data with south korea you can start to see a complete overlay of that data and so thats what were tracking very closely as well as italy but you have an excellent question i just want to make one note in south korea i want to repeat only 4 percent of the tests were positive that means 96 percent of the people had a different respiratory disease because were in the middle of flu season cold season and all of the other respiratory diseases that we get every day in lab corps in class early data theyre running about one to 2 percent positive that means that we have a lot more other respiratory disease out there besides the corona virus and thats why the screening is critical that even with the screening were going to run what we think are very low rates needless to say that were taking extraordinarily seriously to plan for what could come not what dr fauci talked about blunting that curve that makes it much less high need at that peak of the curve that were all planning for so were in full inventory of all of our assets by the president on locking and this emergency order and the secretary of h. H. S. Is ability it on locks all of those stockpiles those needs what the v. A. Has what the d. O. D. Has what the National Guard has and what every hospital has and the hospital Emergency Preparedness plan allows them to defer elective issues to keep those hospital beds open for those who might need it so were in full planning mode for each of those things. And i might add that we are in the process and into some cases have already done it ordered a large number of respirators just in case we hope we dont need them but weve ordered a large number of their guy in place thank you very much mr president youre a speech to the nation you mentioned the situation in china and south korea have improved and youre thinking about remove the restrictions also a warning right in place we know when can we expect that announcement and how do you see the overall progress that Asian Countries make well some are making progress some are not as you know but some are making progress and as they make progress as they get down to the number that we all think is right that they know is right we know is right well be opening it up and some are really moving along rapidly we hope to be able to open things up as quickly as possible go ahead please go ahead. President. Id like to ask secretaries are and dr follows fauzi just how dr fouchier ok that are better than 100 percent but 90 percent this affects the elderly primarily and in that sense its an unusual disease is any specific research being done as to why it effects our Senior Citizens more than others. So i i dont mean to to diminish your your question but we already know why it would affect Senior Citizens more because when you talk about anything that requires a robust immune system as you get older your immune system is not as potent as it is when you are young and thats the reason why when you talk about even influenza which we have extraordinary experience with over decades and decades the people who are very vulnerable are the elderly and those with underlying conditions the same thing holds true for a variety of other disease why cancer is more prevalent in some in mostly in older individuals course the immune system that screens for it is less robust so it really is something that is kind of well known over a lot of studies. Oh in place. Mr president said the chinese officials are expressing some tones of discontent with how where the source of this virus has come from and theyre spinning some odd narratives what are your response to the chinese officials who are doing that and have they signaled any kind of. Resistance to upcoming trade talks in in response to how were handling than our very large are with china theyre going to be buying 250000000000. 00 worth of goods and 50000000000. 00 from our farmers and its a great deal for a country its about time somebody did that and frankly phase 2 will start negotiating i did read one article but i dont think that article was representative certainly not of my conversations with president xi and they know where it came from we all know where it came from. Thank you mr president in the cell phone or from p. B. S. News hour my 1st question is you said that you dont take responsibility but you did disband the White House Pandemic Office and the officials that were working in that office left this administration abruptly so what responsibility do you take to that and the officials that worked in that office said that you that the white house lost valuable time because that office wasnt disbanded what do you make of that well i just think its a nasty question because what weve done is and tony has said numerous times that weve saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing and when you say me i didnt do it we have a group of people i could i could ask perhaps it may have been straight should but i could perhaps ask. Tony about that because i dont know anything about i mean you say you say we did that i dont know anything about it you dont know spending i dont know on his nation that has an international its certain estrangement perhaps they do that you know people let people go he used to be with a different newspaper than you are now you know things like that but this is the occasion or at least. Were doing a great job and we tell you these professionals behind me and the these great incredible doctors and businesspeople the best in the world and i can say that whether its retailers or or labs or anything you want to say these are the best of the where were doing a great job and we have 40 people 40 compare that with other countries that have many many times that amount and one of the reasons we have 40 others have and again that was going up just so you understand and the number of cases which are very small relatively speaking is going up. Because we acted quickly we acted early and theres nothing we could have done that was better than closing our borders to highly infected areas please so as weve just heard the u. S. President donald trump has declared a National Emergency because of the coronavirus she says it will give the individual states access to a pool of 50000000000. 00 in the fight against the virus hospitals will be asked to activate Emergency Preparedness plans and half a 1000000 extra tests should be available might by next week according to the president and trump urged every state to set up Emergency Centers to treat patients lets bring in our White House Correspondent kelly how get standing by for us listening to that press Conference Trump was giving at the white house standing alongside Health Officials as well as some corporate officials kimberly as well just unpack it all for us tell us what what this all practically means. Yeah there is a lot in here when they kept referring to this whole of government approach i think that that really is an accurate assessment because there are so many different aspects of the government as well as the private sector that now seem to be involved in not only stemming and counter blunting the outbreak of corona virus here in the United States but also making sure that ordinary americans get access to treatment and positive did sort of determination that they even have it in the 1st place lets go through some of the top lines real quick 1st of all the clarification on that travel restriction for travelers coming from europe the u. S. President announcing there that the United Kingdom could be added to that this is taking of effect at midnight so in a number of hours from now and that this would mean that there would be potentially self isolation extra screening you talked about the National Emergency that now has been declared thats putting in 50000000000 in resources to help the coordination of the federal government at the local level to make sure that people get access to Services Whats really interesting in all of this is kind of the donald trump stamp on the approach though when it goes out into the communities the fact that hes brought in kind of some of these private partnerships if you will putting in place these drive through Testing Facilities that will be taking place in walmart parking lots for example that would can tell you really provide access for people in rural areas but also in the cities where there are drugstores are more available also the announcement of this website so that americans can go and access potentially on a smartphone to not only go through the web of options to see if they even need the task but then where to get that test as you pointed out those tests becoming more widely available as early as the middle of the week some 500000 then the president saying there are 5000000 potentially by the end of the month the low he says we doubt will need. That that could be something that could come back and bite him hard to say because we really dont know where this outbreak is going but interesting testing has really been the number one criticism of this administration leaving Many Americans feeling overwhelmed concerned anxious the president said in there that he does not take responsibility for the fact that there has been kind of a lag in testing in fact pointing the finger without naming the Previous Administration under barack obama but saying that he inherited a system that just was not capable and now has to adapt to the coronavirus versus some of the other situations of the past i think the other thing thats really important to note here in all of this is that there is also a waiving of interest for Student Loans and also that he mentioned there hes going to be topping up the Strategic Oil reserve to make sure that there is Energy Independence thats a nod to wall street that of course has had one of its worst week since 1907 this is something that theyre again putting in place as part of this whole of government approach to tackling the coronavirus here in the United States. There with aljazeera the top stories this hour the u. S. President donald trump has declared a National Emergency because of the coronavirus and states will now have access to a pool of 50000000000. 00 half a 1000000 extra tests should be available by next week to unleash the full power of the federal government of the surfer today i am officially declaring a National Emergency 2 very big words the action i am taking will open up access to up to 50000000000. 00 of. Very importantly very important and a large about of money for states and territories or localities in our shared fight against this disease in furtherance of the order emerging every state to set up Emergency Operation centers Effective Immediately and also asking every hospital in this country to activate its Emergency Preparedness plan so that they can meet the needs of americans everywhere all u. S. Markets rallied during President Trump declaration of a state of emergency take a look at the dow jones closed up over 9 percent after historic falls on thursday the World Health Organization says any country not moving to take tough measures against the coronavirus pandemic is making a deadly mistake the warning comes as the number of deaths on infections across europe continues to rise europe has now become the a. P. Send of the pundit me we reported cases and is done the rest of the world combined apart from china more cases out of now being reported every day than were reported in china the highest of its. A Chinese Medical Team has arrived in rome to provide support for Italian Health authorities the number of new infections in china is at its lowest since january with only 8 new cases but italys death toll has jumped by 250. 00 in the last day Iran Security forces will clear the streets if its major cities within the next 24 hours in a renewed effort to fight the spread of the virus in the country here today through the headlines on al jazeera up front is coming up next thanks for watching. All new counting the cost we go behind russia and saudi arabias oil prices bust up and find out how low oil prices will go plus lebanon defaults on its debt for the 1st time we could see going on the bailouts and chinas grip on ai facial recognition surveillance counting the calls on aljazeera. Today on the front its now officially a pandemic so how do you stop the spread of the corona virus and a year on from the massacre of muslims in christchurch how big is the threat from white nationalism. The corona virus has now hit every continent except antarctica on wednesday the World Health Organization officially declared it a pandemic so how do we stop it to discuss this im joined by Eric Feingold doing an epidemiologist and visiting scientist at Harvard Health economist and senior fellow at the federation of american scientists eric thanks for being on the show very rarely do we have a story like this that affects every corner of the world all of our viewers watching out front on almost every continent theres a tendency when we talk about story this big for some people to say you know what you guys are overplaying youre overstating your hyping it up the media is exaggerating and sensationalising what do you say to them i think theres absolutely no hype to this because weve been saying it for a long time weve been telling w. H. O. You need to clear a Public Health emergency over a month and a half ago the drug for several weeks it is just literally gone bonkers exponentially worldwide some people of the worried and i guess were going to see it play out now that if you call it a pandemic it causes more panic it further hits market it may stigmatize certain people from certain countries that was the argument i mean i think the w. H. O. Was even accused of exaggerating the 2009 swine flu like calling it a pandemic and those arguments are all dead theyre basically completely water on the bridge because its not that theres a stigma of where youre from a pandemic literally means worldwide theres almost equal risk. Infecting and in danger in every single country in the world so you mentioned kind of global the global context worldwide lips it to Harvard University happy to be able to you professor has been heavily quoted after saying i think hes revised numbers down but he originally said he thought 40 to 70 percent of the worlds population could end up being infected with covert 19 as its known in the next 12 months now whatever we argue about what the fatality rate is is it one percent 2 percent 3 percent less the moment thats a huge number of people globally can you try to explain it is any kind of comparison analogy that we can make for that number of people to be infected yes so that number he clarified is now for adults but still a lot of it is incredible are people really and there are other people who basically you know Angela Merkel also came out with 70 percent of germany in the coming months as well this number is sound large but it is actually foreseeable if we dont do any containment in mitigation this is if we just let the virus roam around and be and do what the british Prime Minister baraks johnson suggested recently i know thats terrible and there are some traders and then you. Know maybe everyone should get infected over the next month so it doesnt crash the market which is incredibly incredibly callous as a lot of people would die yeah its called death and and you know 20 percent of people have mild and mild this means still fever and you know a lot of coughing but 20 percent need hospitalization and of the 20 percent 5 percent actually need i. C. U. Just for the people watching at home maybe im being followed this closely maybe of listen to a certain president United States and say. Thousands of people die from the flu every year why is this any defeat is not just the flu and the anyone who says so is completely looting themselves in danger because aids we have half of you already have some partial immunity to flu this is a brand new virus no one has immunity there is a vaccine that works most of the time for the most strains of the flu there is no vaccine on the horizon they were here year. Theres antiviral drugs tamiflu for the flu theres no antiviral drugs yet thats proven for this and its almost 2 times or 3 times as infectious and more importantly this virus can spread a symptomatically which is you dont know you have a yes no you dont know you have and you can spread it even when you dont know you have it its when you have no symptoms and this is completely different from the previous sars so you and i could have it sitting here at this table theoretically cigar dont see our feet but know how to shaking at the end but heres a question to you on the kind of mitigation and containment you mention the global what you do about are you going to pass that or you take steps were now seeing governors take varying degrees of steps so the Chinese Government going pretty early on in the u. S. Government the president is playing golf not many tests have been done for quite a big population a big country in between you may have south korea for example which had a real problem but is seeing according to a lot of experts a lot of success yet bringing down numbers people even starting to use of containment when you look at the global picture. Taken globally and its hard to do how well do you think the world is doing and pushing back against the i think the world collectively is doing a been mine a c. Plus for again there is a wide variation i think testing career is absolutely a Gold Standard but tests in the United States is absolutely abysmal and finally we have that enough kits but they basically said we have other another problem we have we dont have enough regents in chemicals to actually extract the samples so we can run the tests and another roadblock potentially for america actually getting a handle on this virus and america many other countries. Are literally in the dark and taking the ostrich approach in the so when you look at the into the show ive just got some numbers here from as of march the 8th youve got south korea would 3 and a half 1000 tests per 1000000 you got the u. K. With 350. 00 tests per 1000000 people pretty bad for the u. K. Comparatively and then you have the u. S. With 5 tests 1000000 people that one how do you explain that discrepancy number 2 what kind of knock on effects as a half of one country is doing well but ones not absolute this is a serious problem u. S. Is 730 times below south korea because south korea will involve a lot of fear that arent rich south korea the size of major population the west coast Pacific States south korea literally has put all their National Resources and has central core nature they run 15000 tests a day theyve got to drive through theyre striving to america only as drive through in one location in seattle because a lot of drive their restaurants and thats a restaurant that contributes a different type of morbidity but the issue here is the amount of testing without testing you need to testing to do Contact Tracing who are in contact to locking down isolation and thats why without that testing and the Investigative Team what work you cannot contain is epidemic when you look at whether its Prime Minister Burroughs Johnson say well maybe we should let it go through lots of hands or donald trump playing golf saying i dont need to get tested and my opponents are treating this new hoax for my opponent. Do these people potentially have blood on their hands i think so. Because of the village because Boris Johnsons own Health Minister already came down with code 19 the fact that youre not neglecting the testing and us had frozen testing for 22 and a half weeks that is almost 3 tough old higher multiplication is that in terms of cancers if you find that there are people dead who might be alive had the government handled it different in the last 6 weeks i am pretty confident that is the case because the u. S. Literally weve lost 3 cycles of multiplications would probably 8 x. Higher than our epidemic should have been had we have. For the u. S. The u. K. Other European Countries which seem to be slower than the chinese the japanese south koreans is it time to turn it around or is it too late i think there are pockets in which the United States this epidemic is not every single corner and yet some pockets like seattle has already run away infection potentially new york as well in l. A. But there the rest of the country there are still opportunities to prevent it from being a 50 state issue and how much do we change our lifestyles because in china they you know some scientists in the west are saying well the chinese are showing the way with a kind of dictatorship model you do need to crackdown on peoples Civil Liberties and freedoms in order to fight this do you share that view unfortunately i think in certain ways you have to do extreme social distancing at least a minimum like all the sports games public venues but draco nian this of china i dont know if they could they have the war on lockdown but they also have a residential lockdown for 750000000 people and you know you coffees when you say extreme social this is at the moment still voluntary please go to this place please stay at home please if you say where does the government step in and say you know what youre not allowed to do that we wont allow you to have gatherings of the 52. 00 were going to get to that point even in kind of quote unquote small some small cities and municipalities they already did that for example south by southwest the organizers in cancer. Austin declare an emergency and worse in the cancel we might have to do that if if literally they refused to cancel people who had said that in the west and particularly its all about i dont 3 dylan government doesnt tell me what to do i dont think people have hit the reality of how bad this will be but when the reality hits and people realize it might be too late how bad will it be were about probably 3 or weeks behind potentially italy right now in the us i think it will be really bad because the us is very very poor ratings in terms of hospital beds per capita especially compared to many european and Asian Countries i think it will get really bad and we will overwhelm our i. C. U. Capacity this is why we have to flatten the curve until below the capacity of our hospitals but right without testing and containment the epidemic will way exceed our curve and that is when mortality will happen and people watching at home around the world we hear the advice wash your hands keep your distance is there any other advice that you would give someone whos following this closely. Keep to the containment containment is really key keep to the quarantines you know also avoid public spaces and try to really really distance yourself because washing hands is only as good as how far you are from how many contacts you are exposed to i think at this time we have to focus on self isolation we have to leave it there eric feigele doing thanks so much for joining us on outfront. Its been a year since the deadliest mass shooting in new zealand history when a white supremacist opened fire on 2 mosques in Christ Church killing 51. 00 muslim worshippers and injuring dozens of others since then across the world weve seen stabbings shootings the firebombing of mosques and attacks on synagogues just recently a racist attack killed 9 people in how germany and the Police Officer in the u. K. Was arrested on suspicion of terror related offenses so how severe is the threat from White Nationalists violence and can it be stopped joining me now to discuss this are Cynthia Millett dreams senior fellow at the center for analysis of the radical right and author of the forthcoming book hate in the homeland the new breeding grounds for far right extremism and christian preacher leni a former neo nazi who now campaigns against the far right and is author of the book breaking hate confronting the new culture of extremism thank you both for joining me. A year ago this week a White Nationalist government massacred 51 muslims in Christchurch New Zealand shocking the world in the process question to both of you starting with you said the how shocked were you. I was shocked but not surprised i think is the best way to put it i think it wasnt at all surprising but of course it was shocking and yet horrifying and there were many dimensions of that which were different from previous kinds of attacks like the Live Streaming that kind of added that awful performance to you know an already horrific attack and christian youve been obviously talking about this immersed in this world for many decades youve been sounding the although you would have had conversations about this in the past as well how surprised were you you know you came out of new zealand i mean i think like cindy i was also surprised but horrified because it really did change the game you know the level of violence the number of People Killed the way it was live stream in the way that it had connections to transnational hose connected to other countries other organizations with the White Supremacist Movement i think was was really shocking just briefly on part about for viewers in what way was that connect to transnational because we often talk about domestic terrorism implying its just local but its not you know known facts those alliances overseas of been forged for decades when i was involved in the White Supremacist Movement in the u. S. From 87 to 96 we were already forging those connections in places like germany so i think that its ramping up i think that these connections overseas are starting to get more violent since you know how much does new zealand teach as we know we had a manifesto we know like a lot of other people but does brave it the killer in norway almost a decade ago d is a kind of inspiration to all of these people we often talk and weve talked on this show about kind of isis recruits going online connecting with recruiters or groups in syria how much of that can we mirror to the White Nationalist a White Supremacist Movement i think in many ways theyre very similar and i think that christchurch was a wake up call for a lot of people around the world in governments who were had been thinking of these as either kind of french subcultural problematic groups of youth or really purely domestic problems and it also shows how in many ways it does mirror some of the strategies that have been used by islamist groups. I think people are realizing that these manifestos the last couple of attacks in germany either the Live Streaming on the manifestos were in english for a reason right these were not domestic german attacks they were it did i mean they were but they were designed to communicate to a larger audience and trying to speak to people outside of the country so christened you but should because of how it goes back even decades that was even when you were in the movement there was global links but you of course joined the White Nationalist movie the neo nazi groups in the late eightys i believe you were 14 years old 14 how much has changed since when you look at the groups today and the groups youre studying today and some of the people with hearing about today in the u. S. And beyond how different is the scene today than it was in the eightys you know instead of glee its a lot different you know it was important for us when we were a Fringe Movement to be seen to terrorize people with the way we look at the patches we wore the flags we waved but because of the Law Enforcement infiltration it became existential to that movement to hide to not be noticed and not be seen so i call it this kind of boots to suits movement where theyve ditched the be a static of what i used to look like 30 years ago and moved into looking more like you know the politician david duke was really one of the 1st people to do that when he got rid of the klan robe and put on a 3 piece suit of a politician and i was elected if i want to spend saturday here and there it is out of the way far right activists in the u. S. Since it heres a question to what boots to suit is partly to do with Law Enforcement infiltration but also how much of that is to do with the fact that the ideology if we can call it that has been mainstream in a way that for example you know the ice is ideology just by definition cant be mainstreamed whereas right now in the u. S. For example you have members of the governing Political Polity that sitting on panels with these people taking money from these people saying nice things about these people very fine people i seem to remember every leader is you absolutely have seen a mainstreaming in 2 ways that i think are really important for how this has helped the public find these ideas more except of all. Or just less offensive they are less likely to raise the alarm about it one is that you do see mainstream politicians here and overseas echoing the same kind of anti immigrant islamophobia against us emetic kinds of ideas or conspiracy theories thats really important to understand that went that sort of legitimizes but then we also see this ascetic mainstreaming and i think thats a big transition from one christian 1st came in that youre youre not seeing the kind of the shaved heads in the bomber jackets and the combat boots at the same time these are you know the khakis in the polo shirts and they look much more like the guys next door than the guys in the area launching with the teacher which isnt right exactly im so thats much harder to recognize when you when you have that kind of aesthetic package people think like oh that those ideas might not be as dangerous from for example where you have Marine Le Pen who is now a leading candidate for the presidency came 2nd last time in the u. S. You have donald trump in the white house who see i think the new zealand shooter called him quote a symbol of renewed white identity in his manifesto do these leaders is what im wondering is is that in different that theyre in denial about whats going on within their own movement these quote unquote she some of the trump who is a quote a good mainstream conservative part of the over the body or is it that theyre actively in cahoots with them and inciting of them and see them as probably a base i think what we see across the board is that theres a legitimation of these kinds of ideas and words in ways that you know rally the troops that get people you know to come on board to get people to come out for votes that. Get a lot of Energy Behind these kinds of political movements and so i think you know its hard to say what to do to distinguish between intention and impact but i think whats really important is to Pay Attention to the impact and in a way its matters whether that whether this is theres a tension there about what matters more from my 1st perspective is is what the impact and if these people feel legitimized and like they can just walk around in public or an act of violence that is a problem and christian do you think there is a connection do you all people in. Group actually paying attention to the words of politicians and kind of drawing inspiration from the i think the fear rhetoric thats being put out is affecting these people who are unstable listen we are all imagine stable people sitting around this table and we are uncertain right now were having a hard time with the society imagine the people who are unstable who are really struggling with whats happening and the words of a politician might make them so afraid that they feel they need to walk into a mosque and murdered 51 people because thats the reality that there are let me ask you a question because we often kind of even when we talk about the kind of quote unquote islamists seem in the jihad it seems we often do a kind of conflation between you know people who believe in extreme things and people who carry out acts of violence not always the same thing clearly the guy needed to go and murder that many people something has to be wrong with which but i kind of medically diagnose him but you say unstable let me ask you this are you saying everyone who joins one of these groups can be described as unstable or are they quote unquote normal people who have kind of gone off the you yourself as a very young man joined this group and stayed in it became one of the leaders of i mean of your group what was motivating you cannot you know i felt abandoned by my parents growing up my parents are telling immigrants who came to the u. S. In the mid sixtys and had to work 14 hours a day 7 days a week so i grew up not knowing why they were around and not being mature enough to ask so i went looking for a family elsewhere i think the misnomer is that people think that others join newsgroups because of ideology so really nobody is born a racist or not see you know Islamic State supporter. They find their way because theyre searching for Identity Community and purpose and if were talking about unstable i think that theyre hitting what i call potholes in their lifes journey and sometimes it could be Mental Illness it could be poverty could be even privilege that might keep us so separate from society that makes us afraid but in most cases it is trauma that is somehow pushing people to the fringes where these narratives live so that you are without a lot stronger in the polls or less about the ideology yeah. I mean the way i have been thinking about this is that you know for so long weve thought about terrorism or extremism as if its a tumor a few bad cells that we can cut out of society and eradicate but if you think of it its hard to say this at this moment but as a virus you know if you think of it as a virus instead that can infect people you have to think about what are the vulnerabilities that people have to that virus and there are many vulnerabilities and one might be Mental Illness but also a sense of isolation lack of belonging a desire for purpose desired and that meaning is when i hear you describe what i had to what pauls on the show weve got a lot of discussion sadly about i so weve done it many many shows and many many puddles and weve had people like marks ajman former. F. B. I. Guy weve had scott who studies quote unquote jobs and they all say what you say about the quote unquote job is they say looking for purpose and meaning you know isolated trauma again im i wrong to draw parallels between people who radicalize and join this enjoy the not wrong this is absolutely the parallel that we should be drawing and actually we can i think learn in many cases from what went wrong in terms of responding to vulnerable years for and terms of isis and islamist recruitment for responding to the normal use on this you know on the kind of on the side of White Supremacists i think the mistake sometimes we make is by labeling by it by pointing to Mental Illness when its white men who are the shooters you know are the attackers as as being driven by Mental Illness instead of really a muslim or never get to be mentally ill very. You know and let me be clear about the Mental Illness its the isolation its the bullying its the inability in some cases to have those intimate relationships that pushes people to the friends i mean certainly there are millions of people with Mental Illness that never become i want to come about to the kind of parallel between the kind of White Nationalist thing but before i do just very quickly one thing we notice about a lot of these people whether actually whether theyre kind of a quote unquote supporter or a neo nazi is what if you look at the backgrounds of these people in the media starts going through their life you fall into kind of spouse or go for some history of Domestic Violence is what a. What it was so it didnt seem to be a streak and its such an important question and its one of these things that were just starting to disentangle i feel like both a history of Domestic Violence and a broader massaging and then now this increasing awareness that the hole in the Cell Movement is a part of 6 the white supremacist and far right spectrum or at least has intersections with it in a way and i think its one of the reasons why we are not seeing interventions that address these issues of belonging is because we have to also address issues of masculinity and what it means to be a man in the society what it means to enact purpose if you want to engage with heroism how can we you know channel that heroic impulse into something more positive about rescuing people humanitarian mission lets say instead of you know restoring your white civilization with you to listen i think weve taught generations of men not to feel not the show emotion to fit the certain mold of who they are and i think of thats a white male problem thats been put on white males too so i think that we have a lot of work to do the massage to me that exists i think is really due in certain cases to the uncertainty that exists in these peoples lives the fact that theyre driven by ego but that they are not equipped to really understand how to work with a what do you do about well you know i try and build the results and i try and fill those pot holes that i talk to certify them right after identify who these vulnerable individuals oh yeah and they find me i actually dont go out and find anybody because if i had to do that i would be so over 100 people that work with them working with hundreds of people that reach out to me on a daily basis i have somebody new reaching out to me every day there are some people who look look just you but they look at some of the muslim groups who are working with the British Government the American Government in whats called the c. V. Field a countering violence terms of it and they say you know theres no proof that any of this stuff works where the kind of empirical evidence that you kind of quote unquote do you radicalize some but what do you say to them i would say that does work if the resources are there and the resources just are not here right now in the United States but i also think that certain c. B. E. Programs are making a mistake by thinking they can see. Solve the ideology by tackling that specifically rather than the underlying heart holes that are really between people there do you think with the resources that can be done because in the in the field of kind of counter. Very mixed results a lot of criticism of a lot of government funded programs can you do you radicalize someone in that way whether theyre a quote unquote job just or a neo nazi i think some of what we need is much earlier intervention and clear outcomes for what were looking for so if youre looking at you know in an occupation approach to a Public Health crisis youre talking about 11 year olds who need to be taught you know how to avoid you know how to respond to media this information or propaganda or white supremacist ideology when they encounter in gaming for example which 23 percent of them do encounter as we know from the statistics so you know when youre looking at how you prepare people before they even encounter this stuff on line then i think you can really easily develop measures that will show us whether effective so one thing i remember reading from mark sage when whos written a lot about this study a lot these guys and what the cia he said look at the end of the day weve done all this Research Since 911. 00 when this whole kind of terrorism extremism industry kind of gets going and yet after all these years of all these acts of violence we still dont know what it is that sparks going from having the ideology and marching with the flags and saying horrible things to actually walking into 2 mosques and gunning down 51 people in cold blood absolutely i think the one thing we do know is that the more people you have moving into the extremist fringe the more likely youre going to have to have someone at the far extremist french whos going to become violent and so when we have more and more people accepting this in the mainstream moving into of being recruited radicalized exposed on line there is no way were not going to see additional violence sincere christian will have to leave it there thank you for joining me in the arena im not show up for it will be back next week. 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