Being led by a miner. The way that you cal the story is what can make a difference. Can Benjamin Netanyahu finally form a government the israeli Prime Ministers bloc celebrates victory following 3 elections in less than a year but one could netanyahu do with this mandate both at home and abroad this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program im peter dalby Benjamin Netanyahu has claimed a general election victory but its not yet in the bag hes been fighting to stay on as israels Prime Minister for a record 5th term after 2 previous general elections failed to produce a clear winner and netanyahu and his main rival benny gantz couldnt form a government but his chances of staying in power have been unexpectedly boosted after the 3rd election in less than a year exit polls show he has a significant lead another potential 1st for mr netanyahu he could end up as the 1st israeli premier to hold office while also being tried for corruption imran khan reports now from west jerusalem. Here in israel its all about politics and deal making right now Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is still a few seats short of being able to form a majority government and that means hes really looking to his options on what is options now he has to in effect the 1st one is to find a Coalition Partner and bring them in to the government but most analysts suggest that he might not do that what he might do is look to people from other Political Parties defect is in effect and bring them over to his cause putting him over the line and giving him that magic number of 61 however its not going to be that easy the opposition still say that this is a man whos indicted in 3 separate Corruption Cases and hes unfit to be Prime Minister and then likely to mount a legal challenge to his role so theres a lot of politics still to go theres a lot of deal making still to go but Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has proved time and time again if theres anybody in israeli politics able to make those deals its him emraan car on the inside story. Ok lets bring in our panel today here on inside story joining us from west jerusalem we have oren felt hes a member of the party and formerly head of the hebrew headquarters for the joint list in jerusalem in tel aviv we have who shes a member of the likud party and deputy mayor of jerusalem for Foreign Relations and in jaffa on skype we have sami she had a hes a Party Politician and a member of the knesset welcome to you all. In tel aviv coming to you 1st millions of people have just voted for a man who stands accused of bribery fraud and a breach of trust what does that say about israeli voters. Well i think that when you look at the charges im a lawyer by profession i trained in the u. K. And theres 2 things that we have to bear in mind 1st of all theres never been a case in the entire world where a quid pro quo involves positive coverage in these really press were not talking here about cash on the lopes were not talking here about anything which is material were talking about 8 quo which has never in any country in any modern democracy been considered a quo in terms of bribery and so 1st of all they the charge is a little tenuous for those reasons secondly in any most modern countries most Prime Ministers have some type of immunity covering them either to face the music when they finish serving or whilst theyre not even opening an investigation was there in office and in israel we have the opposite situation we have a situation where the Israeli Knesset decides whether the Prime Minister should actually get immunity which turns immunity into political issues so we have a situation democracy is so advanced that we have a situation where the judges are becoming legislators and the legislative of becoming judges so we before we make that type of analysis we have to understand the situation in israel so i dont see that at all i see that over a 1000000 people see a strong leader a leader than the last decade has brought has brought unprecedented prosperity to the country im president of Infrastructural Development Economic Development and the status quo that we need for a conflict which unfortunately at the moment can be solved but it is very well managed and thats what people have been voting for. Whom youre seeing democracy is so advanced so its a good thing that you might have been in israel a serving Prime Minister going from the Prime Ministerial office to the courts thats good as far as youre concerned. Well we have a no we have law and order in israel and the law says that a 7 Prime Minister can remain a 7 Prime Minister and tell they are charged and actually found to be guilty by a court of law so on till that happens theres nothing in our no will to prevent him from serving as Prime Minister and facing the music in court ok sami. In jaffa what does this say about mr netanyahu and what does it say about the broader political system in israel its a sack essentially i was a very fine local politician hes a very powerful and quite up to politician and he is also able to convince is all of you know its not quite up to something good something clever to do probably and all of the society is a quite up to society as an occupying society im not that surprised from the israeli morals and this is something obvious to any society which allows its to be off you flying millions of people destroying their lives daily destroying their house is the only thing millions of people under the millions others under a. Continuing to deal with the limb all of the information i got is that a part of a minority inside im not surprised when we dont see them as something well that theyve been in while if you and the Prime Minister looks like the society that the prize that. Everybody expected that he could do that and also if that is the role by the way and not according to low gun problem conceptions that youre going up to. The end like what happened was that list got to be brought in or with other Prime Minister what it is just going to be going up because the court up the fight. Or until there was jerusalem from the herders part of your party traditionally has always emphasized good positive jewish relations for you what does this potentially mean for the palestinians as a jewish water for the jointly safe think of a very difficult. Time trying to explain the position of the palestinians in this situation i can say that for the joint least we have made a very important achievement in the last elections there is also depressing now which is 15 mandates is a very powerful barrier for to protect the palestinian population in israel and in the occupied territories against such a right wing government which seems to be as in we dont know the future yet but we can assume that were going to face a very dangerous right wing government and feeling as jewish voter for the joint least as porter in an activist i can feel that theyre much more safe that we have the joint least on our side if such power and starts broad support in the Jewish Population in israel and as we face those coming years this could be a very bencher us for us and we could see that the majority is becoming much more. A powerful force in our democracy it can affect our lives as people who try to oppose and try to suggest a different way for. Their situation to end the conflict to end occupation and to promote peace we could be facing years that might be very dangerous for us. And frayed that their current way that the government is going air could actually affect our lives and im very. Happy and assured that the joint least made their very important accomplishment in these elections and that we will have a much better force to protect ourself in the parliament that the joint with will in its power flow you seem to also have a stance that says israel has got the Prime Minister it deserves as well as the Prime Minister know at some level the motive for is there a chance that could that we could see Prime Minister netanyahu try to bring in new legislation so the knesset can always overall the high court at his bidding. Well i think the Prime Minister has made clear thats not thats not what he seeks to do what he seeks to do is to prove in a court of law that hes innocent and as a lawyer i can tell you that we here in a robust law and Order Society in a robust democracy we believe in innocence until Proven Guilty i find it actually kind of amusing that your 1st panelist. Is talking about the danger to the democracy when weve just had an absolute surge in the power of arab parties because precisely because of our remote robust democracy and precisely because of law and order in this country lets look around the region and see what other country would consider what i mean its on yahoo did as corruption we have the Palestinian Authority which is basically ruled by mafia where Everybody Knows all its citizens know exactly whats going on there and the exact direction corruption that exists and and and and some evolution added feels that the Prime Minister and its i now is the corrupt one in this story and i find that extremely amusing i dont know what im going to post today it isnt anything to be gained from one. Of the just whats about is im less just put that point to sammy that youve raised sammy in java does democracy die a little bit if you have 3 elections in a 12 months the lines separating the Political Parties get blood and then it becomes an election about an election or in this case an election about one Prime Minister. The fact that states have lows does not say that they are the movers of the thirds of the world those story also not your i mean you have a lot of laws by the way is them fascist italy or the its commonly thought you lose them in under stalin and other they have a look at me it makes them democracy or to make them at the. Thing with human rights now we are talking about is ready heath me he said israel by definition not be a normal democracy because it wants to see itself there. Being such such a state i dont think equality simply cannot be while it is between all of the citizens no it was not your focus so we are very far from having any democracy here in israel there are different ways in playing the game well if we have it in yes there are elections but in general. The indigenous you are in israel the palestinian minority we are facing you it erase this constant goes against us were just making this from our point of view dont be and never a democracy or unfold in west jerusalem is that a fair point that. In tel aviv raises in effect or and seems to be saying that politics is getting more tribal its getting more tribal around the world indeed some people might say but is it getting more tribal for the palestinians as well so in that regard the palestinians cannot get up on the moral high ground when it comes to judging mr netanyahu. Well i dont think that its becoming more travel if you see less the lections jews started to vote for the giant list in their tens of thousands thats not a tribal things to do its becoming more exclusive its talking about different topics not only documentation and their rights of the palestinians in the occupied territories it talking about the rights of palestinians as it is and think of israel it talks about they know vironment theyre different in an economical improvement that we can make in their communities in israel where not only speaking about the palestinian. Needs were talking about the public needs were talking about the politics of all the impoverished and oppressed their communities of israel we are not a tribal. Party we are trying to address the needs of the entire impoverished people of israel we are trying to create the their future that is a joint that is joining forces of only one who wants to promote democratic future for this land a just peace for this land fleur chances are this will probably mean more an exception of occupied territories the occupied lands but the reality is that mr netanyahu couldnt do that or couldnt think about doing it without his friend donald trump in the white house and the release of the long awaited socalled peace plan at the end of january. Yes absolutely i think that the main idea is to try and finally get the palestinians to sit at the table which theyve refused to do for years even under president obama which was considered to be a palestinian friendly president so for years and years already we face complete objectionable from the Palestinian Authority leadership to sit down rejectionism to sit down with israel and talk peace and now that we have a real deal on the table that actually reflects the reality on the ground the reality that there are there are jewish settlements in these neighborhoods and the reality that an exam would actually make sense the reality that in many many cases the arabs living in these areas would actually be thrilled for an extension because they understand that the Palestinian Authority is giving them absolutely nothing to improve their lives absolutely nothing to improve their communities and i very much hope that this deal of the century brings the palestinians to sit at the table and actually finally represent the people and not their own self interest and i want to Say Something else to sam have he said earlier that were not a real democracy were not really law and order in which country in the world that he calls an undemocratic would you have had an arab judge or nervous really judge putting a pass a Prime Minister a jewish Prime Minister in jail which is what happened with a hood ornament dont pretend this is not a real democracy and dont pretend we dont have law and order we just have to look around and we understand what were facing around us and we also understand that israel is a beacon of freedom and a beacon of law and order and democracy sammy does have a point there because if donald trump in effect motivates it Israeli Arabs to vote might there be a domino effect and might therefore the arabs talk to the palestinians the palestinians say actually we will take a seat at the table even if the starting point was precisely what they didnt want when we got the release of the peace plan at the end of january. 1st of all i have to agree with lives that just like to compare is a lot of the very a lot of countries that nobody want to be compared with that is that will find itself doing well democratically or in other ways of what option is that could be much less put up theres a lot of places in africa and a lot of places that nobody want to be compared with now regarding. Own spirit it was netanyahu in order to destroy anything that any hope or any being of the Palestinian People in order to get the negotiations mr netanyahu didnt have to go through what you could have done at them from our lives is much closer to your graphically and when we are talking about negotiate a deal deal needs to hold the partners to do it now ignoring the palestinian partner and trying to force on the Palestinian People things that are not of the palestinian dont accept this will never happen now we know that its right now is a very vital and very strong stick and we know that you know its also a very violent and it would go crazy i think probably may now because in his very bad situation doesnt want to go to prison he might also go very crazy. With that but i think if we have a very strong guard that we believe is prevent all this as the what is all the problem for or any program he likes to call it we can say no and things which you will not bring us closer to peace and justice we can simply use it now we will use the discussion and then you can continue this discussion with as much as he likes they can set any programs as much as they like but they. Not now maybe. They will from their political area not. Being on there will be you know in our home now and work with the funding for years and just the 4 are by the and im just one of the pile of. Foreign failed in west jerusalem clearly mr netanyahu supporters believe he still has the moral authority to carry on as Prime Minister to carry on governing israel he might say for all israelis do you feel that he still has that moral authority because as fleur in tel aviv says you are innocent until youre Proven Guilty well i think that as a player might there need not. As floated out of breath as the consul of and once about you after was and. She ignores the fact that annexation already happened in jerusalem is jewish of them isnt an act place and you can see what an excess and does this year was a limit mean there is Police Brutality on a daily basis it means that children lose their eyes in is in is that we are as we saw just a few days ago it means that there is oppression there is that economical difficulties that if there is neglect and i dont think that netanyahu in any way prove that he made any difference for those societies even as the promises to do so he does not have any moral ground to choose anything for the lives of palestinians it is not have ok as we head towards the end of the Program Final thoughts these coming to flow 1st last time around 2nd election benny gantz said look we agree on 80 percent of the issues they couldnt work it out 2nd time around what if they cant work it out in real terms in the knesset is the only option of force election forget about the 3rd election have another one because this seems to me to be now a democracy deficit where all the parties are coming together together together but theres no clear path through that process and then youve got the prospect of mr not netanyahu having to go to court every so often. So 1st of all i want to address the comment made about East Jerusalem im very very involved today in trying to equal the gaps and your previous speaker was right there has been neglected for a very long time and 3 years ago that you could government decided enough is enough right wing left wing governments had not done anything to put the onyx ation to reel to reel. Use and bring the required resources to issue some 3 years ago a law was passed where now were trying to equal the gaps in East Jerusalem theres an enormous amount of investment in fact over half a 1000000000 dollars that were using for quality employment for education and for infrastructure and its my job actually to make sure that theres Economic Development in East Jerusalem and we have many many years of neglect to make up for but were there and were doing it and its people like me who are fighting for those resources to get to the right places now in terms of the political situation that we have at the moment. Look at i think the main problem was with the last 3 elections is that bennigans as party and their whole identity was based on one main thing was based on where not netanyahu was based on lets get rid of netanyahu remember blue and white is actually a group of 3 different parties that are very very different in terms of their political outlook and who they are the type of people and the only thing the brought them together is their hate and their desire to get rid of Bibi Netanyahu ok im going to be there again for. The last point is i me and they finally managed. In government as Prime Minister is so weak he cant do anything domestically he only manages to carry through on these the possibility of more an exception is is there a probability that the only way forward is actually a government of National Unity minus mr netanyahu. Some things in the same can happen nothing this as a as a real realistic scenario surely enough now not in the near months. Because we are not seeing anything happening was in the israeli old news is that the audience that have have realized it again and again a graph that brahmin people dont care much about whats happening is the state has been being run according to the criminal law for the last one and a half years which is the last a lot of the states ministers ministries are wiped out i lived in israel now the not moving the people there is something but i live in the israeli policies in the last few years i think they meant you few years the has never been a serious political as they have not been in the last 20 years in the last 2 decades in israel that has never been as relevant ideology against what is and then young giving this is what you have to dislike why its right that nobody knows the difference between guns and this and you know that you dont know why they are not sitting together is the issue is very complex i think is that is why different than most of any normals is that i know about ok it is then the outcomes we gain control. Because you were. Ok were now theres a little bit there now thank you so much to our guests today they were all in felde know who and sonny sammy shahada and thank you to you too for watching you see the program again any time via the web site aljazeera dot com and for further discussion to check out our Facebook Page facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story can also join the conversation on twitter at a. J. Inside story tweet now take you back to peter dhabi one for me peter davi and everyone on the team here in doha thanks for watching well see of the usual time tomorrow. 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